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Still in limbo, symptoms every day!

What are your thoughts on this? I at times, feel like my whole body is under attack. For example, last night watching a movie, I had a large muscle twitch in my back, then seconds later on my right leg which then bounced to my left leg followed by both feet having a tightening/curling in feeling and then a discomfort/pain in my right eye. All within a matter of 5-7 minutes, took a little longer for the feet to calm down.

Now this morning, I have a "ping" like feeling in the tip of my right middle finger and a shock like pain on the front lower part of  my right eye. According to all I've been told/read, MS does not move around like that. Some may say it is "health anxiety", but I was literally just sitting there watching a movie, not thinking about anything else. My labs have consistently been normal.  I've had all these symptoms before in the past at various times, just never in quick succession like that.  
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667078 tn?1316000935
It is a mystery to me. Could you be having these things going on more regularly and the only time you notice them is when you are relaxed?

Alex
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Mystery to me and every doctor so far, ugh!  They do happen a lot, along with eye pain, sometimes one...sometimes the other, and sometimes both at the same time.  Just when I think things can't get any more weird...they do!
987762 tn?1671273328
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It probably is the tapezoid muscle if the knot is in the upper back hmmm the eye pain may seem odd but here's an interesting tip bit of information...

"Once the upper trapezius trigger point is involved, the anterior trigger point usually not far behind. This trigger point refers pain to the side of the neck, jaw, and face, but it is notorious for producing a throbbing headache in the temple region. This headache pain may also be described as “behind the eye.” " http://www.triggerpointtherapist.com/blog/trapezius-trigger-points/trapezius-trigger-points-everybody-has-one/

i'm home today resting yet another reno repetition issue so i've had time to look around and what i've come up with is a chicken vs egg scenario in regards to trigger points (myofascial) and upper back spasms.

The trapezius muscle is one of the more commonly torn, stretched, strained or sprained muscle in the back and it doesn't necessarily take much eg minor-major falls, lifting a heavy object or repeatedly lifting heavy objects, twisting or a sudden movement, sitting posture etc etc can strain or irritate the trapezius muscle.

A Spasm is the initial reaction and it can be anything from feeling the muscle tighten to being heads up very painful but after a few weeks of it, the spasm can turn into a muscle knot, which is basically because the muscle is continually turned on and not the normal on and off cycle....and here's where the chick and egg thing comes in, if you have a knot that its self can cause the muscle to spasm if over worked, you move in just the right way to trigger it, sit wrong etc..

"There are three main parts to the muscle: the Upper, middle, and lower trapezius, and each part has its own actions and common symptoms.

Common Symptoms
headaches on the temples / "tension" headaches
facial, temple, or jaw pain
pain behind the eye
dizziness or vertigo (in conjunction with the sternocleidomastoid muscle)
severe neck pain
a stiff neck
limited range-of-motion
intolerance to weight on your shoulders

Middle Trapezius
mid-back pain 1
headaches at the base of your skull 2
TrP5 refers superficial burning pain close to the spine
TrP6 refers aching pain to the top of the shoulder near the joint 3

Lower trapezius
mid-back, neck, and/or upper shoulder region pain 4
possibly referral on the back of the shoulder blade, down the inside of the arm, and into the ring and little fingers (TrP7), very similar to a serratus posterior superior referral pattern
headaches at the base of the skull 5
TrP3 can refer a deep ache and diffuse tenderness over the top of the shoulder 6"
http://triggerpointrelief.com/cdrom/trapezius.html

It's been an interesting day reading up on this again but i don't think i've come up with much that will really help, maybe something there to follow.....JJ
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Bless you Supermum, you always go above and beyond in researching questions..much appreciated!  Wouldn't it be grand if a tight trapezius muscle was the answer to all my problems?  I hope R&R has helped you recover and you are back on your feet!
:D yes it would be grand!

I was surprised at the domino effects, keep in mind that there is controversy surrounding 'trigger points' not sure why exactly but sometimes i think when there is no solution knocking on your door, you have to take the bull by the horn and do what ever you can to get in the best physical health possible, at least your doing something to 'help' your self and if your on the right track it'll change your tomorrows so worth the effort if there is a chance to make a difference.

True story...my MIL has a spine like a pile of pick up sticks, her real age is her secret but she's somewhere in her late late 80's now and shes still working, still driving, still very active and physically strong too lol she runs rings around me.  She lives with chronic nerve pain with her spine, every year the pain she lives with is added too as her hip and leg joints wear out, osteo arthritis, shingles etc, all just causing her even more pain, but she is allergic to 'most' pain medications so she has very few options available to her so she's been doing no impact 'senior' physical therapy classes twice a week and daily strength training exercises for around 10 years.

It's the only thing that all her specialist what ever's, say has been the key to why she's not as they expect of someone of her age and degenerative physical damage....of course it's anecdotal and proves nothing but sometimes if there's hope that something will help, it's worth giving it a go...

HUGS.....JJ

ps ah yes i'm rested enough to try falling off another ladder today lol  



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Have you had your potassium and magnesium checked?
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I have, a couple of times and most recently again on Monday.  I appear to be the most normal testing, abnormal feeling person there is!  Thanks for the thought though!!
987762 tn?1671273328
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I'd forget about 'health anxiety' for the moment....it's not outside the norm to have a spasm in your back that triggers spasms in your legs and whilst it may seem really weird, pain/discomfort  around the eye can be associated with even some minor spinal issues.

It might be possibly that the prolonged positioning or the type of support of your body whilst watching the movie and after the days activities was enough to irritate the muscle, tendons or ligaments in your spine and cause the chain reaction. If your back spasms constantly for weeks or if the spasm comes and goes in the same place, you may have an underlying problem in your spine eg facet joint osteoarthritis, degenerative disc disease, spinal stenosis, herniated disc etc keep in mind that your muscle will instinctively react to any pain and inflammation in your back by spasm-ing.

The nerves that go to your hand come from your spine (the neck) and they travel down the arm into the fingers, spinal issues or a twist of the ligaments can cause pressure on the nerves and you can get transient sensory feelings like tingling, numbness or zaps in the middle fingers. It maybe coincidence but doubtful, that your finger tip is feeling odd the morning after the spasms, 'IF' there's an underlying spinal issue that shows up with body positioning, then your sleep positioning and neck support will be a factor too...

Hope that helps........JJ  
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Thanks supermum_ms.  I do have a really tight upper back that a pt just recommended trigger point injections for (ouch!).  Some of it makes sense, but the eye thing...and that I get these a lot...seems a bit odd.  The fact that they were in quick succession is what made me take extra notice of them this time around.  Wish I could move from being a "complex case" to a diagnosis...of something!   Ugh!
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