So Much For the Ensure

I guess I just thought the Ensure had done good stopping the leg spasms.  True, they are still stopped, but now I've got a thump per second in my left temple near my ear.

I still need to find the right kind of magnesium, but I even doubt that will help when this mess is determined to let in on me.

[compnet]

Oh no, sorry to hear that.

Well, you don't know unless you try.  :)

I have more faith in magnesium, as it has helped people with SOOO many conditions.  It has brought full recovery to many people.

[compnet]

There is more information about magnesium and ordering it here:
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Heart-Rhythm/The-magnesium-miracle/show/1001935

[tonyr155]

Thanks, Comp.  There's a Dr. in Phoenix AZ that had my local Dr. to do tests.  He found my DHEA sulfate low at 59 when it should be 200 to 250.  He says that could be a lot of anxiety problems.  I asked him if the 25mg. DHEA would help with these twitches.  He said time will tell, and that it  it important to optimize the DHEA and Vit. D levels and observe for various improvements in quality of life and overall health.

Kind of quoted  him there.  Looks like he need hefty doses of magnesium, DHEA and Vit. D.  I already take 1000IU of D, have for months, but my last labs were low normal on it.

Thanks so much, Compnet.  These temple "quakes" usually settle down, so this should too, though it drives me to the brink.

[tonyr155]

You can tell I'm a train wreck by numrous typos.  "Looks like I need hefty doses, etc., NOT he.  I'm sorry.

[tonyr155]

Numerous, NOT numrous.  I gotta get off this thing!

[tonyr155]

I took a magnesium 250mg., think it's oxide, not the right kind I'm sure.  I need to see what the right kind is again, look it up.

I had severe left thumb twitching for several hours last night after the temple settled down.  This all is just getting out of hand.  (actually it IS the hands, the fingers!)

[tonyr155]

Compnet, I'm reading up on mag. taurate and I'm seeing both good and bad about it.  I think I am just in an impossible fix.  The AZ dr. wants me to get on DHEA 25mg., I get to taking all this stuff combined, God knows what may happen!  I just hope I don't get diarrhea from that one mag. oxide I just took.  This is all just a complex mess.

[tonyr155]

Well the latest from the AZ Dr. he said most of his patients weren't deficient in magnesium and recommended I get my level checked so I have a baseline.
Seems it always comes back "normal" too.  If it is, why the twitches.  Good question!
I see the p.a. tomorrow, and have a ton of stuff, as usual, to work through with him.

[compnet]

Excellent that you are working through this stuff.  Interesting about the DHEA.  Please let us know how it goes with that.

With the typos, usually I get the gist of what people are trying to say.  :)

Magnesium Taurate is good with bowels, in that it doesn't have that side effect.

You could also try Kelp, such as in capsules.  This is the richest source of magnesium I've seen thus far, next to straight cocao powder.

The tough thing about magnesium is that, and many doctors have stated this, most people are deficient in magnesium because it is stripped out of most foods and the soil, and it depletes so easily through stress, and people don't eat much of magnesium-richer foods.  Here is more information about how the tests aren't so accurate:
http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/230120/Magnesium-Testing?personal_page_id=1012978


Also, this doctor talks in the article about Magnesium Taurate, dosage range and safety, and about testing for it:
"The Importance of Magnesium to Human Nutrition" by Michael Schachter M.D., F.A.C.A.M (online article)  Just search through google

[compnet]

Interesting information I just came across about DHEA and Magnesium:

"According to Dr. Norman Shealy, every known illness is associated with a magnesium deficiency and low levels of the hormone DHEA.  DHEA is the health and youth hormone. **If DHEA is low, magnesium is low.** They go together. Even a 10% increase in magnesium and DHEA levels is associated with a 48% decrease in death from cardiovascular disease and a 36% decrease in mortality: from all causes. The human being has the only body that has a significant level of DHEA."

"Magnesium and DHEA go together. When we raise intercellular magnesium, we raise DHEA.  This is the natural way to raise the body's DHEA levels. A catch in this equation is that whole blood, serum, plasma and even white blood cell levels of magnesium do not give an accurate picture of optimal magnesium Looking back at the graph again we can see that DHEA is present in a baby in the first months then collapses until the beginning of puberty.  Why couldn't we raise the DHEA in our infants and rear a generation of highly intelligent and healthy people?"

Soak Your Way to Health!
DHEA; Magnesium & The Fountain of Youth
The Bob Livingston Letter, December 2001



Have you ever tried soaking your hands in water with Epsom Salt (Magnesium Sulphate)?  The magnesium would absorb into your body through your skin.  I'm not sure how good it is compared to supplemental pills, but it may be worth a try.

Praying for you.

[tonyr155]

Thanks for the info, Comp.  My plate is full now.  Got have a tooth fixed next Tue, and dealing with anxiety too.  Just too much going on and to try to digest.

I see the p.a. today, and will try to convey all of this, no easy job, but I will try.

I do appreciate your prayers too.  I feel like I need a ton of them.

[tonyr155]

Okay, the p.a. didn't think magnesium would help twitches and gave me some samples of Deplin (folate).  It says it's for depressed or schizo patients.  He felt that might help the twitching.

He said to him, the DHEA wasn't that far off, but also added since the Dr. in AZ is the expert, he wouldn't be against my taking it.  Seems like he said it was like an antibiotic!  I don't THINK so!

[tonyr155]

I'm about fed up.  I just ate my dinner, a salad, and the mere act of chewing set off the temple thumps.  They seem to be trying to ease up, maybe stop, but I'm tired of these pa's. conflicting what should work.

I took one 250mg. mag. oxide tablet yesterday, just ONE, and had no twitches all day long. However, my "bathroom business" was slightly loose an hour after taking it.
This pa mumbles and I didn't catch what he said, but he didn't have anything positive to say about magnesium taurate either. He just flat doesn't think it helps.

I think it's time for another PCP.  The head Dr., you're a month or longer out from seeing him.

[compnet]

"I took one 250mg. mag. oxide tablet yesterday, just ONE, and had no twitches all day long."
Praise God!  My goodness, that it wonderful to hear.  That goes along with that one person I read about that found the oxide form was helpful to them.  Now, I'm not sure about the glycinate form, but the Taurate doesn't cause bowel problems.

Magnesium deficiency can also cause anxiety, and it has helped many to recover.

The sad thing that people have to realize is that western medicine is not as focused on nutrition and supplements as they are in pharma drugs.  Now, if you look to a Doc like Michael Schachter M.D., F.A.C.A.M, or any doctor in Complementary Medicine, Orthomolecular Medicine, Alternative Medicine, you'll find they know about supplements.  Or aside from MD's, there are herbalists, alternative, ND's, chiropractors tend to deal with supplements, sports nutrition, nutritionists, etc.  It's just a different focus.

In the "Magnesium Miracle" book, it says:
"Magnesium education received a boost in March 2005 when the George and Patsy Eby Foundation provided a grant that purchased 1,000 books each of The Magnesium Miracle and The Magnesium Factor by Mildred Seelig, M.D., and Andrea Rosanoff, Ph.D., to be given to members of Congress.  Dr. Rosanoff and I hosted a reception on Capitol Hill to which members of Congress and their staff were invited and presented with our magnesium books."  The public is not very educated on nutrition, especially magnesium, so people are trying to get the news out there.

"Magnesium is an important element for normal
biological function, especially for neuromuscular
activity. However, magnesium deficiency is rarely
considered in relation to clinical problems, mainly
because of earlier difficulties in assessing magnesium
status (serum magnesium measurement is
now more readily available) and because this element
is given LITTLE ATTENTION in medical education.' "
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2146789/pdf/canfamphys00077-0094.pdf

"In the USA, magnesium supplementation is dramatically under utilized by conventional physicians and is more important in patient therapy than most physicians realize. There are over 200 published clinical studies documenting the need for magnesium. In fact, at the 1992 American College of Cardiology annual meeting, a limited biography on magnesium was the most often requested item at the National Council on Magnesium and Cardiovascular booth.

Up until recently, conventional medicine's interest in magnesium has been only by obstetricians, who have used injectable magnesium sulfate extensively in the treatment of high blood pressure and pre-eclampsia and eclampsia of pregnancy. But, recently conventional physicians have become interested in treating patients with acute heart attacks, chronic cardiovascular disease, heart arrhythmias, diabetes, asthma, chronic fatigue syndrome and many other disorders."
"The Importance of Magnesium to Human Nutrition" by Michael Schachter M.D., F.A.C.A.M (online article)  FANTASTIC article, by the way.

I believe people need to get more proactive with their health.  Doctors don't know everything there is to know, so I think we have to do some study, and also read up on doctors that do know a lot about nutrition and supplements.  

[tonyr155]

Wow, what an interesting post, Comp!  Thanks for some great info.

You're so right about docs not knowing everything.  They only go by what their teachings dictate, not by instinct.  I hunted two drugstores, one of them a large one, for magnesium taurate and never found it.  I never found DHEA either.  

I read somewhere on a web site that it wasn't wise to start DHEA without labs to make sure it wouldn't throw the whole hormone balance out of whack.  I am going to ask my doc about that.  If I have to have labs often, I'll go broke fast.  I'm not yet Medicare age, and I doubt any of it will be left under the present country "leadership" by the time I reach that age.

Anyway, I'm going to get my magnesium one way or another.  I have a concern about a laxative dependency on any of the magnesiums, but hopefully the taurate wouldn't cause that.  I need to stay independent in the bathroom department if I can.

Thanks again, Comp.  Are you a pa or lab tech?  You are a wealth of great info!

[compnet]

PA or lab tech?  No, I just enjoy doing some freelance, internet, medical researching.  :)  Quite a compliment.

They talk about an internet place for ordering magesium taurate here:
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Heart-Rhythm/The-magnesium-miracle/show/1001935

I'm so glad things are moving along for you.

God bless you.

[tonyr155]

You sure do a great job of internet researching! :-)

I'm dealing now with a tinnitus (ringing ears) flare up.  I woke up screaming from I guess a night mare during the night, and the loudness of my voice has my ears spiking.  I hope and guess they will settle down again.  Always something with me.

Thanks for the mag-taurate link.  I will run check that out.

God bless always ~

[compnet]

Well, thank you.

I suspect much of whatever is plaguing you will change from magnesium replenishment.  And it will be great to see the results when you get on a better absorbable formula.  

In the other thread, we touched on the probability that your hyperacusis is from the magnesium deficiency.  And tinnitus seems along the same lines.

Here's a quote from an online article:

"Magnesium also protects the nerves in the inner ear and is a powerful *glutamate inhibitor.* Glutamate is a neurotransmitter, produced by the action of sound waves on the hair cells of the inner ear. The unregulated production of glutamate at sound frequencies for which there is no external stimulation is the cause of tinnitus.

Studies have shown that excessive glutamate may play a role in the production of tinnitus. Studies also show that *glutamate antagonists* can have a protective effect on the inner ear and possibly be a treatment for peripheral tinnitus, that which is generated by the inner ear. Three such drugs are currently under investigation at the Henry Ford Health System for tinnitus, including magnesium."
"Calming Your Life & Tinnitus with Magnesium"
by Barry Keate


And in another article, it says of magnesium deficiency symptoms: "loud noise sensitivity from stapedius muscle tension in the ear."
"The Importance of Magnesium to Human Nutrition"
by Michael Schachter M.D., F.A.C.A.M.


Have you considered looking online (better selection) for a **highly absorbable**, high dose, high nutrient, multi-mineral & multi-vitamin, supplement?  Something with many good testimonial reviews for many conditions greatly improved.  It just seems like in general, with the magnesium deficiency, that you may be overall low in everything.

[tonyr155]

Hi, Comp -

That sure is interesting and makes sense.  I can check those all out.  I'm seeing my Dr. in October and can run this by him.  Between your very helpful info and what he knows, I think eventually I will get the right type of magnesium and maybe help the ears.

Thanks again so much.

[tonyr155]

Glad this day is done.  I've suffered big time with rt. frontal lobe vibrations every few seconds, all.... day.....looong!  So thankful they finally quit because I'm stressed and exhausted.

[tonyr155]

A new day without vibrations!  I wish every day could be like this one so far.

I've about said all that needs saying, so will let this be my final post.

Thanks, Comp.  You have helped so very much.