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Chileno

Jul 31, 2012

To: bambiornelas

Hi ,Im 37 (sorry my english is bad) .I suffered this OCD for 4 years had been the worst (I have more than 10 negative test these lasts 4 years) .But I have good news for you guys!!!!. For people like us exists a tech called DUO (Antigen 24 + ELISA) . A well known doctor here in Chile (my country) told me that in 28 days is very accurated like ELISA in 3 month ! . Indeed our best hospital here suggests for people like us or just for someone who had one unprotected sex act this method al 28 days as definetily , ask your doctor guys.3 month is a torture for us , we know that. Best for all you ,Im not alone ! .

hehapu

Aug 13, 2012

To: juliani325

Hei! I was reading through all these comments and I feel a bit better now since I have the same problem.
Few months ago I kissed my ex boy friend (french kissing). Nothing else happened, we didn´t have sex but since then I ´ve been having this fear that I have hiv. The worst thing is that I´m in a relationship, so I feel really guilty :(
I took an hiv test 2 months after the kissing incident although my doctor said that there was no need for testing. The test was negative (of course). I´ve talked to so many doctors and they all have said that I cant get hiv from kissing. But still I have this fear :( I was thinking of taking another test but now I´m too scared and I just can´t wait for the test results anymore.

tad780

Aug 16, 2012

I have no idea why it took me so long to come tothis forum. My anxiety and OCD are out of control over a brief oral sex encounter whih I know deep down has not put me at risk but wow it just takes over my mind and day.... I am trying hard to think logically but it really can be tough. I can understand if I ahd a real risk but why is it I cannot just believe the facts and move on ....

JGF25

Aug 16, 2012

Hi there....I'm not going to address the HIV part of your problem because Teak has already told you there is no risk and Teak knows what he is talking about.

Let me ask you though, have you been officially diagnosed with OCD? If so, what type of treatment have you sought?

tad780

Aug 17, 2012

To: JGF25

Hi there JGF25... no, I have not been officially diagnosed with OCD. I find my OCD is from coming on this site repetively throughout the day to keep reading the same things about not having an HIV concern. Two years ago I did have a real scare from unprotected anal sex. I engaged in unprotected bottom sex with a guy who I thought I trusted but as it turned out he was very permicuous and became positive. When I was called to be tested is when my anxiety and paranoia really began I was negative thank God. Anything I have done since then (having a guy frotagge me, being fingered, being rimmed, giving oral AND NO ANAL since my scare) has thrown me into a downward spiral and I begin to revert to my anxious fearful ways from the days of my actual scare from unprotected anal.... I see a pshychologist and she tells me that I am far from the textbook case of OCD and anxiety disorder. I do not OCD and have anxiety like this in other areas of my life. My pshychologist is saying that I am being too hard on myself for engaging in anything sexual even when I know that I have done nothing wrong and unsafe. I am NOT out so that may contribute to my anxious tendancies when I do anything sexual. And lets face it, I do have some major trust issues with guys now for sure. I do not blame the guy who could have possibly infected me from unprotected anal as I am responsible for my own behaviors, but that incident has totally left an everlasting affect on me. I really do understand the risks of sexual transmission of HIV, however there seems to be a blockage preventing my rational way of thinking to dominate .... is this OCD? Paranoia? Or anxiety working its magic? Thanks for reading a replying to my post, I look forward to reading what you have to say on all this.

JGF25

Aug 17, 2012

I agree with your psychologist.  Sometimes OCD and HIV Anxiety/Paranoia get confused.  Just because it is an irrational thought that won't go away doesn't mean it is OCD.

Has the psychologist taught you cognitive behavioral therapy?  It is a bunch of strategies that you can employ to help with your heightened anxiety state.  Also, has medication been discussed or are you even open to that?  If he/she does not teach CBT, then perhaps you can be referred to somebody that does unless of course you feel very comfortable with him/her that you don't want to change.  But I do think it is a very important tool to have.

What you are going through seems to me more like PTSD.  It was a real exposure and of course that is going to scare the crap out of you and who can really blame you for being scared with every sexual encounter. And the trust, of course it went right out the window.  You said the real exposure was two years ago and you are fine.  So now I think you need to work on getting the anxiety under control so that you can go on having a sex life without fear...of course a protected sex life if you decide to do anal sex again no matter what your partner says about his status.

Also, the whole hiding who you are could be playing a role in this as well.  It is just one more stressor in your life.  You have not mentioned how old you are..  But honestly, we are who we are.  Our genetic makeup makes us who we are.  That certainly isn't going to change.  So perhaps, if you are not already, maybe you can tackle that with your psychologist as well.

BTW, I am not a doctor so don't take what I say over the psychologist...I'm just giving you some suggestions that you may want to talk over with him/her from my own OCD perspective.   My scare with HIV was the fact that I worked with it in a lab and the people around me were not taking proper precautions.

Take care.

tad780

Aug 17, 2012

To: JGF25

I recall my psychologist giving me examples of OCD once and it those examples were far from what I was going through. I agree with you that my anxiety needs to be under control. I see my psychologist on Tues. and will aske her about CBT. I was on meds once and my doctor and I decided that I was working hard enough on my own that the doese of paxil I was on probably was not doing much. I am 38 years old and yes being in the closet has been a stressor ... professionally, family, society ... makes it difficult for me to be out.  I am working throught this with my psychologist.

I guarantee any future anal sex will be a codom ....  I cannot imagine the anxiety over that otherwise and besides it is just responsible. I am also leaning towards having any future partners wear a condom before I perform oral on them, or is that being too paranoid?

AS for today, my goal is to not go onto the HIV prevention forum on this site. I know reading and rereading posts on oral sex is not going to help me especially since I know what they already say ... NO RISK!   I thought reading situations that  were similar to mine and reading the experts say no risk no rislk no risk over and over again was good. However, I now realize how damaging that is. I will come to this forum because it really seems to be healthier for me by far...

Thanks again for your reply, I am open to hearing more if you like!

hehapu

Aug 17, 2012

To: tad780

Hey
I used to do the same, I used to read over and over again information about hiv and kissing (that was my fear) but then I realized that that´s not my problem but my mind. So I rather read these posts, it helps a lot to see that I´m not the only one with irrational anxiety about hiv :)

tad780

Aug 17, 2012

To: hehapu

Yes, I agree. It is much better to read in this forum over the continuous re-reading of the same things in the prevention forum. It was like I was trying to look for the answer that I DID truly have a risk over oral sex when in fact that answer DOES NOT exist. Over and over the mesage is NO risk so therefore why keep looking, My research from reading and asking the experts is conclusive. Things are slowly sinking in but the act of pushing away the anxiety is exhausting. I wish none of us had to experience this but since we are it is comforting to know that there are many of us experiencing this and it makes it easier to be deal with it. Your fears of kissing are being heard by me and I am hoping you are realizing that the actual risk for you is NOT there. We are both fine, all we need to remeber is that condoms for intercourse MUST always be used and we will avoid HIV.....

tad780

Aug 17, 2012

To: ae1405

We are all in this together..... HIV OCD and anxiety is defintely real and we have nothing to be ashamed about. It sounds like many of us on this forum are totally taking care of ourselves in the best ways we know how and being on this forum is a great beginning .... hang in there and feel free to message all you want.

hehapu

Aug 17, 2012

To: tad780

Thank you for answering to my post. Your words are so reassuring, especially today when I have a bit of difficulties to deal with this hiv anxiety.
Sometimes I am able to think very rationally but sometimes.... but as you put it there has been NO RISK. The most important thing is to try to find a way to deal with the anxiety. Take care!

tad780

Aug 17, 2012

To: hehapu

You take care as well..... feel free to keep in touch

JGF25

Aug 24, 2012

To: imgoingcrazyhelpme

Obviously "ending it" over something you don't even have is not the solution and pretty drastic actually. Since apparently you have been on other forums asking questions, let me ask you if you have seen a psychologist and/or psychiatrist? What are you doing to help yourself, if anything, with these HIV irrational thoughts?

hehapu

Aug 24, 2012

To: imgoingcrazyhelpme

Since you´ve been tested negative it doesn´t make any sense that you´d be having those fears. You need to look for help. I suggest that you talk to a psychologist.

nursegirl6572

Aug 24, 2012

hehapu....It's obviously not as easy as just saying, "you tested negative, so you shouldn't have those fears".  We see ALL the time people who cannot convince themselves, despite not having an actual risk, or despite numerous negative tests...that they do not have HIV.

A LOT of people have an irrational fear of HIV.  Some people have phobias about it, some anxiety related to HIV, and still others have OCD, with fears focused around HIV.  There are different levels of anxiety surrounding HIV.  A good bit of the people on that list could really benefit from seeking professional help.

imgoingcrazy...you're going to end your life because people on an online forum didn't get to your post yet?  Now come on, that's just absurd.  This is a user to user forum, people aren't here 24/7.  Questions get answered as quickly as possible.  PLUS, you posted on an older thread, which do not always get as much attention.

You don't need anymore HIV tests..you know in your rational mind that they prove you don't have HIV.  You need a professional to help you convince your irrational mind of the same.  When anxiety gets to a point where your daily life is affected, or you are talking suicide, it becomes a necessity, and urgent that you get help.  No one can do that FOR you, you have to do it for yourself.

Just browse around, you'll see just how common HIV related anxiety is.  You're not alone.

Keep this in mind...FEAR IS NOT FACT.  A professional will help you learn how to sort through fear and fact.  FACT is, you have SCIENTIFIC proof you don't have HIV.

Now, make that call...get yourself some help.  Your doctor is a good starting place.  He can give you a referral to a psychiatrist, or psychologist.  The first is a medical doctor who has the ability to prescribe meds.  The second would be more of a "therapist".  You definitely need the second...and you may also need the first.

Best of luck.

hehapu

Aug 24, 2012

To: nursegirl6572

Obviously it´s not as easy as saying there´s no reason to worry. I know it better than anyone coz I´m fighting everyday against my irrational fears of hiv. But I need to be told (many times) that my fears don´t make any sense. The advice I received on this website was to get psychological help and definitely without it it would be way too difficult to handle these fears on my own.

greenman277

Sep 09, 2012

can anyone tell me whether I have HIV risk or not, please answer it sincerely

I have made love with my girlfriend, whom I'm totally sure that she is ok. But when I come to take a bath, actually I just wash my penis with water, then I come out, use the towel that lay on the bed, which is prepared by the hotel service. Afterward, I start to think whether the towel has semen on it or not, and then will the semen come to my body through the tip of penis, the urethra even though I'm quite sure that the towel was quite tidy as it was prepared for the new room.

Please someone give me some advice, I'm totally freaking out when thinking chances of getting hiv, especially my ocassion.

Do I have a chance of getting hiv? Do I need to get test? What should I do to get rid of the thinking of hiv which I never had before.

I want to get back to a life which I don't need to think about chances, risk of getting hiv.

Thanks in advance, and good luck to everyone.

nursegirl6572

Sep 10, 2012

To: greenman277

Are you having obsessive thoughts about HIV? Have you worried in the past about it? If so, let's discuss what you've done about it.

This is the OCD forum, not the HIV forum, so it is really not the place for risk assessments. That being said, since I'm a regular contributor in the HIV forum, I will tell you you didn't have a risk. You can not get HIV from towels, or other environmental objects.

greenman277

Sep 10, 2012

To: nursegirl6572

Well have some mistaken here, it's my bad. I have no worry like this in the past but i can not stop thinking about it even though the frequency is lessen.So that's why I want to get rid of it as soon as possible, is there any advice?Anyway, Thanks a lots for your comment and sorry for this inconvenient

nursegirl6572

Sep 10, 2012

To: greenman277

Well, if you feel you need to test in order to move on, then by all means, do so. However, if you find yourself still worrying about HIV after your test, then I would recommend professional help.

greenman277

Sep 10, 2012

To: nursegirl6572

MY country as I know that have offered a combo test which I'm not quite sure it's really combo test or not, but everyone in my country said so. So if I have to release my mind, I have to wait to next week in order to obtain 28 days to perform the test. BUt i'm still not quite sure whether this can be conclusive or not.

nursegirl6572

Sep 10, 2012

Well, as you had no risk, any test would be conclusive.

Optimus303

Sep 21, 2012

My name is mike,it all started in yr 2000,i developed a very strong phobia of getting infected with hiv from casual contacts,i developed irrational disorder,believing everything out there is a means of infection eg,i get scared to death when i step on use condoms or tissues,i get scared to death when i see things like red stains,i get scared when i touch a liquid cos at that point i'll be fighting in my heart to know it it's just water or body fluid,i don't go out with my phone or laptop cos of fear that they maybe infected,i wash anything i come home with as a result i don't buy anything myself,i clean everythin i have contact with or feel i have contact with when i get home n avoid touching the ones i cn't clean,sometimes my mind mks me believe i stepped or touch body fluids or blood,pls i need HELP

obsessedhiv618

Oct 09, 2012

To: Mets27

I am going crazy, all I think all day is hiv, I been think I gave it to my kids( of course I don't have sex with them) I even clean the bathroom after me with Clorox, this is insane! , I got tested and they said I am fine, I am going crazy this obsession is destroying me. Help!!!

Worried197833

Nov 16, 2012

To: nursegirl6572

Hello everybody, I am a OCD sufferer. I Am know 34, but I have it since my 22. At the moment (again) I am going through a hard time. I (again) convinced myself that I caught HIV throug a unprotected *******. Why unprotected? Because I asked the lady about here HIV test history and recent risks. She said she was tested and did not put herselve at risk. But I should have known better. She had a risk. But because it was with a friend,
she did not see it as a risk. This I found out later. It also did not help that after the ******* I saw a discoularing on my foreskin and that 6 days later I caught a cold. Although Dr Hook told me not to worry and that I do not need to test, I am scared and depressed. I thought I did everyhing right, but it does not help me. I am going to see a Psychiatrist with a sexualologie degree, I hope it helps.
I know I have a inflated fear of hiv. It even goes so far that everytime I hear a number of Queen, or see a HIV spot on tv that it is directed at me. Strange thing is that I am not superstitious....
Just wanted to tell my story, your input is welcome..

imgoingcrazyhelpme

Nov 16, 2012

This *****. I can't even think anymore. All I want to do is cry because I don't know what else to do. No one wants to help or answer questions. If I ask questions I just get banned or warned so whats the use. What happened to being friendly to one another. This HIV OCD thing is really messing up my life :'(

worriedworry

Nov 16, 2012

To: imgoingcrazyhelpme

What are you worried about?

OCDCNA

Nov 30, 2012

I constantly obsess over having HIV...which according to the multiple tests I have had I am HIV negative. However, I have OCD and anxiety, so if my lymph nodes start acting up or I just don't feel right...I automatically have HIV. Keep in mind I AM HSV2 positive. So I get night sweats at times and feel awful. But I no where your all coming from. Glad to know there are others out there like me. Xoxox

Nomoreanxieties

Dec 01, 2012

To: all

Even since my "exposure" on 08/02/12, I've been going through the toughest time of my life. I had protected sex with a prostitute and ever since that event, I feel like I might contracted HIV, not only that, I constantly worried about passing on the virus to my pregnant wife and one and half year old daughter. I got tested at 5 weeks and 12.5 weeks after the encounter and both were negative, but still worried. I want to live my life normal and not think about it anymore but it's so hard.

Nomoreanxieties

Dec 01, 2012

I never discussed it with my wife and family about my incident, I just want to love them for the rest of my life...I am really sorry for my action and I want to stay around so I can protect them and provide for them. I love my family.

imgoingcrazyhelpme

Dec 07, 2012

K, I went to get another test (maniacal laugh) and everything was fine, until I left the place. I shook the guys hand that gave me the test before I left. Now I'm worried that I didn't check his hands for cuts or my hand, and now I think I could've got it that way because the guy is around people who may or may not have HIV, all day. Also, I'm worried that even though I may not have had a cut on my hand that because I didn't wash my hand before going to the bathroom I may have got blood from his hand on my penis. Also the place I went to to get tested was not a county run establishment but a place that concentrates on service for the community and I'm worried that they would hire only people with HIV or something like that. OMG, help me, this is too much. Is there anything you guys can say to reassure me?

fear93

Dec 09, 2012

To: everyone

Ok, i know this post is like almost a year old but i'm in a similar situation although i haven't tested and i'm afraid of doing so. a week after my intercourse ( i was the insertive partner with a female) and wore a condom which slipped twice and re-used it each time although i may have put it upside down when re-used it with the partner's fluids inside the condom, trapped. anyway, a week after my potential risk, a developed flu-like symptoms including fever which didn't held a week or two as teak says though it was a pretty high fever ( 38.3 in celsius), and it held for one night and then the following weeks, i've had hot flashes and my body temperature was pretty high like 37.5. i've had a slight diarrhea, sore throat, almost every symptom including canker sores, etc. ok, i've had a CBC which isn't something like a total confirmation and they turned out good and i know symptoms don't diagnose hiv because i've heard of people including our friend teak who never experienced any symptoms and he has the disease for like 30 years if i'm correct. but, as you already know, i almost let of it go for many months and almost forgot about it until i hear about new cases of hiv which kind of triggers something inside me and makes me feel uncomfortable. i've had several posts which and the experts here told me that i didn't have a risk and don't need testing. it makes me feel very good on the moment but then i think about my symptoms and feel the panic again. i even began building images in my mind that the condom may have slipped inside my partner's vagina, leaving my penis uncovered although every time i took my penis out, the condom was on ( ok, except those 2 situations). the second time the condom slipped, it had something white inside and yes, it was a lubricated condom but again i'm not sure if it was lubricant or vaginal fluid. i need some more reassurance. thank you anyway for making this website for the support of people like me and many others. thanks.

Uzbek

Jan 03, 2013

To: Uzbek

WOW!!! I've been thinking that I'm the only person on this planet who's over-concerned about possible HIV infection until this day! Thank God, I came across this forum! It feels a lot better to know that I'm not alone on this subject!
I'm pretty sure I have CDO (it's like OCD, but in the alphabetical order). But after I had a stupid unprotected sex with a prostitute I began to think about THIS all the time! I did the testing but it showed negative. But it didn't ease my worry. I'm still worried that I could have the HIV infection.
My little advice for anyone who is reading this and who is overwhelmed about their possible infection with HIV: getting tested is the key! Just get tested, and I'm sure I'll feel better than ever after your results turn out to be negative.
Dear brothers and sisters, don't waste your valuable minutes worrying about something that 0.0001% chance getting in our lives. You live only once. So live your life without worry. Get tested, and after your negative results forget all about it! WE ARE BORN TO BE ALIVE!

sterilized

Jan 05, 2013

I have been tested for hiv 1 Elisa 2 combi test 2rapid test for on week 2 week 4 week 8 on my last massage activity . I have been to massage many many times with handjob French kissing body rubbing anus fingering sucking nipple . doc told me no need to test anymore and he just recommend to test every 6 month for health check purpose . but I cant move on . I still paranoid when I got molluscum in my genital . I feel myself got a lot of bacteria and virus . every time I want to move on will have new thing pop out . recently I afraid I caught syphilis from the exposure . I go and tested and negatives . then I thought my antibiotic for fungal cause false negatives . now I dunno what to do . my gf now got few pimples near her public area . did I infect her anything ? we nvr sex for 6 months . she just handjob me . I have ask the doc whether the swab test detected I got gonorrhea or chlamydia he say no . but until today I still can't forgot it . I m on depression medicine but it's seem not working . I only sleep 4 hours for 2 months already . anyone can advise ? many things happen recently . I no desire to sex anymore . I just want my normal back life again. I really really regret what i have been done for so long... i feel like want to cry

fonzy35

Jan 08, 2013

To: everyone

i am so glad i found this forum, i had a situation where i was out in june of last year and someone i had not seen in a while put there tongue in my mouth whilst i and they was drunk, my fear at first was can i get hiv through kissing, i quickly got over that, then i thought what if he had had anal sex with me, as i can't remember bits of the night being so drunk, i have had 5 tests since, the last one at 6 months and they all come back negative, now from googling hiv on the net, i had been reading about late seroconversion, which will now not let me move on, i am just starting to see a cbt therapist who i am hoping will be able to help me move on

meh36

Jan 16, 2013

To: nikki870

I completely and utterly do the same thing and i'm even a therapist who treats OCD.

meh36

Jan 16, 2013

To: yulopers

It's interesting you say that b/c OCD DOES MANIFEST when you are heightened with stress. Think about it. Your stress has to come out some way so it chooses OCD. I do the same thing. My school doesn't suffer and I'm doing a phd in psych with a 4.0 and my work doesn't suffer but my personal mind and life suffer.

imgoingcrazyhelpme

Jan 20, 2013

Possibly the worst thing you can possibly be OCD about. Its debilitating. People who don't have this have no idea how serious this and detrimental this it is. I can't even be myself or talk to people anymore.

jasmin66

Mar 12, 2013

To: imgoingcrazyhelpme

my ocd is ooc coz i got last year glands pain, groin pain, tonsilitas ,fever, headache i dont know where it came from then i started thinkig hiv now iam marry women and i luv my husband tuesday i will go hospital to chech if i have hiv or nt

jasmin66

Mar 12, 2013

Lesla1987

Mar 15, 2013

Omg I feel so much better....I get tested every year some how I still believe that I have HIV ...I can't enjoy my life :-(

Pppparanoia

Mar 19, 2013

To: Everyone

It's a bit refreshing to see that I'm not the only person going through this. It started over a year ago when I had protected sex with one of my friends. He says hes been tested and he doesn't have it. But he's the type of guy that, you don't even know what to believe what he says because he is very shady. He has had unportected sex with other people so that's why I am so paranoid about it. Also, I was under the influence and drunk when it happened - and he in a way - took advantage of me. I have no been tested because I have a fear that it will be positive but I have almost convinced myself that he has it or that I do. I know without actually getting results back - I do not have the disease. But every time I see the words HIV/AIDS i feel very numb inside and feel like I'm dirty and filthy. I have not had intercourse with anyone new since him and have I guess just been celibate. I have another fear of passing it off to someone if I do have it. It's really aggrovating because I'm currently in school in a prepatory course to get into nursing and I will have to be tested to actually start my nursing program but I am just so afraid. I know once I get my result back I'll be fine but I'm just so scared inside that I don't even know what to do. It makes it even worse than a month ago I was with the same guy hanging out wiht some other and we all bunched up in a taxi and one of my other friends was sitting on him and he made a AIDS reffered joke. My heart seriously stopped working for a couple seconds because I didn't know what to do or say. He claims and say he goes to the doctors often to check for stds and that he never got a positive result which I for sure know that is complete ********.
I also became veyr paranoid when I got a few pimples on my back, my thyroids under my jaw were swollen, I've had nasal issues for years -but it just got really weird and I became really paranoid with that as well. Nothing has changed with my vagina in terms of discharge but It almost feels as if it's falling out. I have no idea if this is because of the lack of sex because I have never been this long without sex since i've lost my virginity, and I did have tonsilitis, .. You know just listing all these things does make me feel a bit crazy. Because those aren't really anything that normal people don't coincidentally have. BUT, I am just really paranoid about it.
I think my whole mentality has changed since I broke up with my ex boyfriend 3 years ago, I just completely am not the same person mentally. I;m so over emotional and paranoid. (SORRY i got a bit off topic at the end. )

dumbmistake323

Apr 05, 2013

To: everyone

How to get rid of anxiety while in the window period. I have tested at 6 and 9 weeks ab elisa and they were negative but 3 months is conclusive. How to stay sane in this period?

imgoingcrazyhelpme

Apr 22, 2013

I'm pretty sure I'm completely bat-**** insane crazy because of this and will never be "normal" again. I'm completely out of my mind. It's crazy the mind can make you think all of this stuff and make it real. I'm out of my mind completely. Frick off OCD and HIV!!!!

JGF25

Apr 23, 2013

To: imgoingcrazyhelpme

Start a new post with details please. Thanks. JGF

hank279

May 20, 2013

To: ae1405

i have felt the same, i dont know how it works but something that helps me out is trying to think of happy things in the future, all of your anxiety is coming from imagining some bad scenario in the future, thats how it works, try to always keep your mind on some positive future sccenario :)

hyrola

22 hours

Hello Everyone,

I have the same problem as everyone on here. It actually really helps to read these posts. I was on the Prevention forum and i just couldn't stop reading.

Anyway mine started back in 2011 when I had protected sex with this girl. I found later she has been around. She slept with heaps of people and then i got obsessed because the condom slipped out. I got tested twice once at 3 months and then at 6 months. Both were negative.

My obsession continued then i seeked further help with a psychologist and even more strange my gf at the time was one, but never told her. I got better after 8 months of sessions.

Now as of a week ago I had protected oral sex (receiver). Now I'm stressing, got a sore throat, my stomach is killing me. I have read countless of post NO RISK, LOW RISK. I started to remember my sessions to make me feel better. It's helped, but not cured YET.

It seems each time I have a sexual encounter i started thing about this disease (you noticed i have mentioned that 3 letter word yet)? It's because i can't say it, i don't even read it. Anyways sorry if this is long, but i just wanted to share my experiences.

Cheers

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