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I'm back!
I'm here to write about my experience, to hopefully help others along the way.
Before doing that, I want to ask only those with kind hearts to respond to my posts. I'm a kind person, and I don't want anyone attacking me for word choice.
Along those lines, my surgeon used the word "castrated" at least five times when talking about consent for surgery, she didn't want me to wake up castrated, and wanted me to view this sugery as ONLY an ovary removal, and anything that was needed after that would be separate surgery with consultation before hand. I mentioned that I was reamed up one side and down the other for using that word, and she said it is a medical term, and it is used all the time. She also said, "People often choose to be offended, and you can't conform semantics to everyone's different sensitivities".
Wow, is she smart. Took me a minute to understand what she meant!
So I'm back to write of my experience and hope to help someone else.
My final thoughts .. . .if you are posting here, do it with kindness, and love and do NOT under any circumstances, critique a fellow poster or make up rules for the forum. Let free information flow, and if you don't like what is said, move to the next post.
This forum should be about love, understanding and unconditional support.
OK, so I think this was sent like three times while I was writing, we'll see what appears. Off to write of my experiences. Sorry for any forum confusion!
Before doing that, I want to ask only those with kind hearts to respond to my posts. I'm a kind person, and I don't want anyone attacking me for word choice.
Along those lines, my surgeon used the word "castrated" at least five times when talking about consent for surgery, she didn't want me to wake up castrated, and wanted me to view this sugery as ONLY an ovary removal, and anything that was needed after that would be separate surgery with consultation before hand. I mentioned that I was reamed up one side and down the other for using that word, and she said it is a medical term, and it is used all the time. She also said, "People often choose to be offended, and you can't conform semantics to everyone's different sensitivities".
Wow, is she smart. Took me a minute to understand what she meant!
So I'm back to write of my experience and hope to help someone else.
My final thoughts .. . .if you are posting here, do it with kindness, and love and do NOT under any circumstances, critique a fellow poster or make up rules for the forum. Let free information flow, and if you don't like what is said, move to the next post.
This forum should be about love, understanding and unconditional support.
OK, so I think this was sent like three times while I was writing, we'll see what appears. Off to write of my experiences. Sorry for any forum confusion!
i have never heard anyone in the uk call a hysterectomy a castration, i think my mum and everyone else who had to have this done for the removal of cancer would find this word very offensive and very inconsiderate!!
That is not true. We are not being pushed toward removal of the ovaries. Each women has to make her own decisions. No one forced us under the knife or to go to the doctor. Where in this support group has anyone told someone else to go have their ovary(s) taken out. I do believe it has been said over and over on this site. IT IS EACH INDIVIDUALS OWN DECISION. AND TO DO THE RESEARCH. We all have brains and we know how to use them.
I'm not into all the blessings and hugs either. But I am human and I do respect the feelings of others.
I'm not into all the blessings and hugs either. But I am human and I do respect the feelings of others.
I am sorry, were you not held as a baby?? Were you not given kindness and support at a time when you needed it. Were you not validated as a person? I can only assume that this is the reason for your antisocial behavior, but after all, this is only my opinion.
Just curious , what part of the country are you in? I have never heard this term used by physicians and wonder if it's commonly used where you are? Or is it more common with women physicians than men? (I think you mentioned that your doc is a woman?)....thanks for the info.
Sorry. I'm not into hugs and blessings or telling other people to speak the way I do. I'm not into name calling either.
As for castration: You call it what you want. I'm not telling you what to call it.
Moreover, by far the majority of women posting to this forum do not have ovarian cancer, but are being pushed toward castration for benign ovarian cysts by this support group. That's just plain wrong.
Thanks for your thoughts on the subject.
As for castration: You call it what you want. I'm not telling you what to call it.
Moreover, by far the majority of women posting to this forum do not have ovarian cancer, but are being pushed toward castration for benign ovarian cysts by this support group. That's just plain wrong.
Thanks for your thoughts on the subject.
It's not just a word. There is "intent" behind the use of the word on this forum.
I was very sympathetic to you before, when the original "event" occurred....but.....now I feel like, wow, you feel you are sanctioned to use the word because your doctor does. He isn't here. My doctor had a very different opinion, he isn't here either. Women who are already swimming in a sea of dispair and pain and fear are. The point is, they don't need more pain dumped on them, medically correct term or not.
YOU need to be KIND and consider your audience. Neither you nor nchee have suffered this pain or walked this walk. So you have no right to make assumptions. You now come across as so smug....it shocks me.
NO WONDER many of the women who come here with ovarian cancer do not stay here. God bless the ones who do... Tybear my heart breaks for you....
I was very sympathetic to you before, when the original "event" occurred....but.....now I feel like, wow, you feel you are sanctioned to use the word because your doctor does. He isn't here. My doctor had a very different opinion, he isn't here either. Women who are already swimming in a sea of dispair and pain and fear are. The point is, they don't need more pain dumped on them, medically correct term or not.
YOU need to be KIND and consider your audience. Neither you nor nchee have suffered this pain or walked this walk. So you have no right to make assumptions. You now come across as so smug....it shocks me.
NO WONDER many of the women who come here with ovarian cancer do not stay here. God bless the ones who do... Tybear my heart breaks for you....
Neechee, I agree.
Mary, thanks for the nice note. I will go back and read what you speak about regarding recent discussions on the forum, although it was very unpleasant to be ripped to shreds over using a correct medical term.
But I'll go take a peak.
Thank you both for the nice posts.
Mary, thanks for the nice note. I will go back and read what you speak about regarding recent discussions on the forum, although it was very unpleasant to be ripped to shreds over using a correct medical term.
But I'll go take a peak.
Thank you both for the nice posts.
Hello everyone ..
I have been keeping tabs on all this disscussion on the C word ..
and I think what everyone is trying to say is correct ..
Yes the word does exsist and is the technical term..
BUT... correct or not it is not welcome for sensitivity sake ..
It can't be that difficult to understand that Ne'chee ..
The Ladies here are supporting each other with comfort ,compassion , friendship and a some personal experience..
If we truly need an informed opinion ..we all have doctors who have been educated and have one degree or another .. some Dr.s are better then others ...but again ...that's what everyone is here trying to do ...We are trying to help each other make good decisions ..or just plain old hand holding....Sometimes we all just need a sounding board to help us decide what we need to ...this doesn't mean we will do everything that's mentioned here ...but it gives us food for thought wrapped up in comforting words ..
Since there in now a seperate site with a professional on board ....all the ladies have a choice...If they want cold hard facts ..they can also get them there..
But again ....
This site has been a place of support and sharing .
Keep that in mind the next time you respond to someones question ..Also ...we are all computer literate ( we found this place didn't we ) So whether it be from kindness or a need to act overly informed ..it's not your place to handing out web sites for others to look at ..BTW I also do medical research and I certainly do not feel it's my place or right to be sending people off to web sites because I say they're correct or good..
If you have any compassion to share then it's more then welcome ...otherwise take your informed opinion to the other site with a pro over there who may agree or disagree with you .
Let this site be a comfort in the Storm
Hugs to you all ..Cysters
I have been keeping tabs on all this disscussion on the C word ..
and I think what everyone is trying to say is correct ..
Yes the word does exsist and is the technical term..
BUT... correct or not it is not welcome for sensitivity sake ..
It can't be that difficult to understand that Ne'chee ..
The Ladies here are supporting each other with comfort ,compassion , friendship and a some personal experience..
If we truly need an informed opinion ..we all have doctors who have been educated and have one degree or another .. some Dr.s are better then others ...but again ...that's what everyone is here trying to do ...We are trying to help each other make good decisions ..or just plain old hand holding....Sometimes we all just need a sounding board to help us decide what we need to ...this doesn't mean we will do everything that's mentioned here ...but it gives us food for thought wrapped up in comforting words ..
Since there in now a seperate site with a professional on board ....all the ladies have a choice...If they want cold hard facts ..they can also get them there..
But again ....
This site has been a place of support and sharing .
Keep that in mind the next time you respond to someones question ..Also ...we are all computer literate ( we found this place didn't we ) So whether it be from kindness or a need to act overly informed ..it's not your place to handing out web sites for others to look at ..BTW I also do medical research and I certainly do not feel it's my place or right to be sending people off to web sites because I say they're correct or good..
If you have any compassion to share then it's more then welcome ...otherwise take your informed opinion to the other site with a pro over there who may agree or disagree with you .
Let this site be a comfort in the Storm
Hugs to you all ..Cysters
Hey Ne'chee, seriously, as a six year cancer survivor, and one of a handful of senior members on this forum, I sincerely request that you find it in your heart to stop using the word "castrated."
No matter how correct the word may be in the medical field when you are refering to a woman who has no ovaries, After repeated requests to stop using the word, your insistance to keep putting the word out there is hurtful. If your hope is to educate women with information from your research, you must realize that your message is lost the minute you post that word. If your hope is to extinguish the pain this word causes, I am afraid this is not your call. As a soon to be licensed psychologist, I know that habituation will occur over time when someone is repeatedly subjected to the offending message, but this forum is not the place to test that theory. I thank you in advance for your understanding and consideration.
Mary
No matter how correct the word may be in the medical field when you are refering to a woman who has no ovaries, After repeated requests to stop using the word, your insistance to keep putting the word out there is hurtful. If your hope is to educate women with information from your research, you must realize that your message is lost the minute you post that word. If your hope is to extinguish the pain this word causes, I am afraid this is not your call. As a soon to be licensed psychologist, I know that habituation will occur over time when someone is repeatedly subjected to the offending message, but this forum is not the place to test that theory. I thank you in advance for your understanding and consideration.
Mary
Grateful
I hope your experience turned out well. I'll be watching for the story of it.
I also use the term castrated in its proper application: removal of both ovaries.
I hope your experience turned out well. I'll be watching for the story of it.
I also use the term castrated in its proper application: removal of both ovaries.
Hi,
I was so glad to see your post! I recall what happened and I believe you were responding to something I had written regarding desire after hysterectomy. I had found your post helpful actually. We were talking about being proactive and finding help if at some point you are not feeling like yourself. There are answers out there. That was the message I was sending and I was pleased that it had a good impact on you.
If you have read any posts here just today or yesterday, you will see that we are still having struggles with that word, however. There is a long history to the use of the word on another forum that is no longer on this site. The whole issue kind of exploded again around the time of your post...But, I did feel badly when you were ripped for using the word. I say that because I knew at the time you were refering to the literature...I have read the same comment in some of the research that I have done looking for anwers for the type of post-hysterectomy problems I have encountered.
I always felt that you were a kind and gentle person. I think no one was more shocked than you over the developments that followed your post.
Well, hope this rambling makes sense. I am on a slow computer in a hotel room in Washington DC...and, I need dinner!
But, again....I am glad to see you are back and willing to share your story with us. Take care, Mary
I was so glad to see your post! I recall what happened and I believe you were responding to something I had written regarding desire after hysterectomy. I had found your post helpful actually. We were talking about being proactive and finding help if at some point you are not feeling like yourself. There are answers out there. That was the message I was sending and I was pleased that it had a good impact on you.
If you have read any posts here just today or yesterday, you will see that we are still having struggles with that word, however. There is a long history to the use of the word on another forum that is no longer on this site. The whole issue kind of exploded again around the time of your post...But, I did feel badly when you were ripped for using the word. I say that because I knew at the time you were refering to the literature...I have read the same comment in some of the research that I have done looking for anwers for the type of post-hysterectomy problems I have encountered.
I always felt that you were a kind and gentle person. I think no one was more shocked than you over the developments that followed your post.
Well, hope this rambling makes sense. I am on a slow computer in a hotel room in Washington DC...and, I need dinner!
But, again....I am glad to see you are back and willing to share your story with us. Take care, Mary
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