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RIGHT CELIAC PLEXUS NERVE BLOCK INJECTION

Due to undiagnosed right upper quadrant pain I have had two right celiac plexus nerve block injection.  after the first injection i was pain free but it only lasted for a week and a have.  A couple of days ago I had a second injection, and same as the first one the pain was completly gone after the injection, but now I'm experiencing left upper quadrant pain.  Does anyone knows if this could be cause by the injection or if it could be unrelated to the nerve block injection?
thanks.
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Hey gal...what's up?
I am having trbl as usual with iPad..God telling me to get up and go to big computer.....
I had left lumbar ablation 7 days ago...said 5 shots, down 5 levels...
My back muscles went into spasms soooo bad..he kept zapping with lidocaine....that's what front muscle left abd.did..nothing helped and the spasm is going on. Was doing..and didn't have any lidocaine for that..
Had to cancel neuropathy dr. Appt twice last week..a nice male nurse called wednesday to see if I was ok..I said, no, I am so anxious to hear about the brain Dan they did  last sat..but now they will see me. Monday.
The left  lumbar nerve cutting has not resolved the pain in left abd.i ga back to see him in a month.
I have suddenly developed such anger issues. I do not know if it is my going down to less opiates or being more frustrated because here we are again, putting on band aids..
I am praying for you!
I had cysts on my rt ovary..the one that was tangled around the appendix but I get pain once every 3 yrs or so..just
To remind me ..it is only, they say, because it is near a nerve that is firing..no ovary after all these years!
Take care, I am very concerned..please keep energy up!
how I was..that's a first!
I was sweating so bad and shaking with cold that nothing stayed dry..so had to cancel her appt monday..
Then they rescheduled for tues and I got
I called my prim care and got into see him tues
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Hi, just checking in to see how you are doing..How is your ledtvovary? Have the birth control pills helped?
How are they seeing the cysts? Ultrasound?
I had a hysterectomy when I was 32. In 1982..but when they got in thee they had to take the left one, take the right appendix and the rt ovary was twisted around the ovary..
I was working standing on my feet for 8 hours and my back pain at night was excruciating..I could take Motrin 600mg 4 times a day and that was all..
Our twins were 12 at the time aNd we felt fine with 2 children..the doctors had poor ultrasound at that time and told me I had uterine fibroids that were growing large,..There was no mention of any ovary or appendix involvement.. They said they could do a myomectomy to clean out the uterine wall but I  told a friend who was an almost retired dr...and he did a simple x-ray and that showed appendix strangulation, etc so the obgyn specialists went ahead, putting me under to do hysterectomy and leave left ovary but they took everything but detangled rt ovary!
I woke up and all they said was the above and I dhouldn't ave to take estrogen replacement! Oh yea, and, um, we had to do a lot of scrapping!
Well I had pseudo cysts on rt ovary ..it would feel like a cySt but was nerve pain instead..
by 1993, they just racked it up to nerve pain from whatever..
That is hey I asked...
Sounds like your gall bladder was a bad culprit..bad ombré...but glad the nerve block worked..
I pray for you to start feeling better so you can get going again!
Hopefully the storm will subside..the antibiotics will have done the trick and your d tests are normal.
what was the problem with the blood?
take care please..join the group..'Chronic Pain Couch".we are not a large group but there for you...read the posts to see if you would like it..
there are a lot of people who have multiple problems..I get spiritual help and upbeat comments about meditation and pointers that help me cope..you can rant there or just read the posts to get motivated to kick the pain into the universe one cube,speck, etc at a time..
You would be gladly welcomed by upbeat yet caring people who have been thru hell and are trying to teach others what they have learned..
I pray you will join so we all can work thu things together!
Prayers and love to you..keep me posted..blessings
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Thank you for keeping in touch....I'm so glad your appointment went well... That is always good.  I have been reading a lot and I really think that some of this problems that I  have might be related to an autoimmune disease .  It doesn't make a lot of sense to me how when I get better from one thing, something else comes up.....so far my thyroid levels are within limits and nothing is really red-flagging towards autoimmune.  a couple of years ago I didn't even had a family doctor, I never got sick, the only times that I went to see a doctor was when I was pregnant with my kids.  Now it seems the list keeps growing and growing.  I see a gastroenterologist, a pain management doctor, a obgyn, my family doctor, a urologist, and a hematologist.   and all I get from them is that they can really explain why i'm having all of this different issues.  But I'm still trusting in God and I know is going to get better and he really knows and has control what tomorrow holds.  For the last couple of weeks I have been feeling better, I'm finally free of uti and urinary retention--after taking antibiotics for over a month and several er visits. The nerve block is still working pretty good since December.  and lately I have more energy than before so I hope my hemoglobin levels are getting better.... I'm dealing now with cysts on my ovary.  I have several of them which is stretching the ovary and causing me a lot of pain, but I"m used to that---same thing happen to my left ovary.  I'm on birth control pills for the next 3 months and I'm hoping by the next time I see the Dr the cysts are gone or at least by stoping ovulation i dont get new ones.  Last time that didnt work but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  I'll keep you and your family in my prayers, have a blessed day.  talk to you later
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Oops got cut off..doing this on iPad in bed...anyway, they zap the 5th cranial nerve with something...
She is trying to help!
Now, back to you...
Why do they want to take that other ovary? I feel so bad that u have had to go thru this at such an early age!
I was up til 5:30 this morning reading about epigastric pain....wow, that pain last night took the cake..thought I was going to have to take zofran I was so nauseated..if it is narcotic bowel syndrome then I will have to go off opiates period...that is of course why I am wanting to know about the blocks..have gone down 40% in 3 weeks...and plan to try to go off another 10 percent or more before I see pain dr.On Monday....The neurologist called him by his first name and I wanted to jump for joy!
I am glad u are seeing gi dr who seems to pull his hair out..the gall bladder surgery can have repercussions re the whole pancreatic sphincter, cholestectomy, etc..you already know that..
Have they suggested autoimmune problems to you?
Oh Lordy how is your thyroid? That gland can screw up so much...
I have an autoimmune kidney disease but no kidney stones...so far..the guilt of giving my twins and grandchild the same autoimmune disease..causing my twins to each have kidney transplants..My grandson who is 14 will need one in his 20's as it is alport's syndrome. My son got a kidney from my husband when he was 27 in 1997 and my daughter had to be on dialysis for 3 yrs...she had terrible infections so bad ...but her best friend from high school donated a kidney to her when she was 40..my twins are now 43. Of course, I have no more children..
Let me know about your ovary and talk to your dr about whatever u suspect..re:sod..
I drive my pain specialist crazy...I keep reminding him that I have seen him monthly  for 13 yrs..I remind him to look at his 13 yr old and remember that!
A comment like that to my dr always grounds him because I say...., clearing my throat....and what about the next 13 yrs?
Blessings..
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Hi, so sorry this has taken so long.
Bless you for keeping in touch..
Yes, you have been through so very much but as u say, with faith in God, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I saw an amazing female 58yr old neurologist yesterday. I told my husband to stay in the reception room but I wanted to talk to her lady to lady..
She had me walking toe to toe and squeezing and pricking....for about an hour.
I had my post cancer dr. Recommend her and she just asked me my weight!
Anyway..
I told her I wanted to learn more about the blocks and she focused in on my trigeminal neuralgia,stabbing eye pain, roaring,constant ear condition and pain on side od head behind ear...all on left side....
She is sending me information on the procedure but they go into brain and
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Hi,  I'm praying for you so a good outcome comes from your following appointment.  Sometimes it gets frustrating going from doctor to doctor and still not get any relive or straight answers.  In my experience I take it a day at a time.  I have good days and bad days, but  thinking positive always helps.  The shots that I get only have lidocaine, The doctor  don't use any phenol, I think they only use that for people that have pancreatic cancer or a terminal cancer because it kills the nerves.  I was told that the more shots you get,more relieve and prolonged effects you get from it.  The first one I got only lasted like two weeks, but the second and third lasted around three months.  The last two have lasted a little bit over 6 months.
It's kind of crazy to see how autoimmune diseases causes so much problems.  Is your body working against its own.  For the last couple of years I have had so many different issues with my health with no known   diagnosis. Lately, I'm leaning towards to think that all that I'm experiencing is cause by a autoimmune disease.   In the last 5 years my health has gone downhill-- First it started with my ovaries, it continued with my gallbladder, then chronic upper quadrant pain, appendix inflamation, recurrent uti and kidney infection, kidney stones, unspecified anemia, urine retention, high bp and heart rate.  I'm only 32 and in the last 5 years I have had 3 surgery's.  my left ovary removed, my gallbladder, appendix, and I'm fighting to keep my right ovary now, but even though sometimes it seems overwhelming, i'm still trusting in God and I know there's going to be light at the end of the tunnel.  I wish you the best of luck and I'll deffinetly keep you in my prayers.  I'll keep you posted, hope you do the same.  God Bless!!!  Just keep counting your blessings--most of the times they're more than our problems:)
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Hi..sorry I took so long to say BLESS Y O U and THANK YOU!
I was on neurontin for years and I know it helped...4yrs ago I was put on lyrica 150mg a day...
In 1999 I had terrible trigeminal neuralgia,and shooting stabbing pain in lower pelvis area..saw a pan specialist and he did mri's, X-rays..that showed terrible low back probably showing my facet joint arthritis infancy..and fibro like pain...neuropathy pain .
I was put on nortriptylline and neurontin and he gave me Vicodin which I took as needed..say, 30 a month....
And I have seen him every month..
Now I take lyrica which I tried to go off of 6 months ago.( thyroid problems I did not know about then made me think I was losing it because of all meds). but stabbing eye pain and neuropathy terrible so am back on it..I tried to go back on nortriptylline but that had caused so much constipation with lyrica  and opiates that dr wanted me to try
higher dose opiates and took me off Nortriptylline..I had even tried cymbalta but that did not help pain that much and caused more undesirable side effects..

I was diagnosed with autoimmune thyroiditis 6 months ago..so am hypothyroid..and I have autoimmune kidney disease also so my neuropathy pain might be autoimmune..another possibility as to why???

I have appt to see a neurologist next week but all I can add to neuropathy pain involving plexus, is after 3 wks on time release opiate I had to go to hospital with severe abdominal pain,vomiting...
..have since gone back on a lower dose non time release opiate..
... isolated pain to left celiac plexus area now... I had had pain so bad there for 6yrs I was lucky I guess to have a pain attack in dr office a yr ago ..pain in plexus was radiating around to back...and he saw me in agony..so had lumbar one ablation..had hoped it was kaput but pain is back in a big way..
Did your celiac pain radiate around to back at times?
Have they jbeen using lidocaine for your blocks ?
I know phenol injections will kill the nerve..but i don't think radiofreq. Ablation can be done a number of times?
Oh well..you take care and let me know how future blocks are doing.
Your story of tramadol for kidney stone is awful!....Lordy, yrs ago my friend's husband had a kidney stone and she said he was speaking a language he swore he did not know he could speak!
I have read that many dr are switching patients to tramadol cause it has less side effects than opiate use..
My friend is taking amantadine for pain..it is a Parkinson's drug drs are experimenting with that involves the brain's dopamine..
I hope we all can find something..practice of medicine!
Blessings

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I'm sorry to hear you're still not feeling well.....I know how bad it feels to have adverse reaction to opiates.  I try several ones and they always caused me more problems than relief.  Last time I took tramadol for kidney stone pain which is not really a strong opiate and I ended up in the ER with urine retention.  So now in top of feeling sick to my stomach they're causing me other bigger problems.  I'm trying to stay away from opiates as much as I can.  I did try lyrica at one time and even though I was taking a very low dose it made me very sick.  I do take neurontin in between shots and I seem to tolerate that better than the opiates.  Neurontin helps with pain that is caused by nerve ending type of pain.  im not sure if you have try that one but in my case it works better than lyrica.
hope you're feeling better, I will keep you in my prayers.
god bless!!!!!!!
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Pain dr was going to see me today 6days early because sweating and tingling,burning even though on opiates..
It isn't just the celiac region anymore as a direct hit for injections possibly..
The neuropathy is worse than ever..I take lyrica and am not diabetic but there is finally a tv commercial for lyrica that describes my whole body to a t....
Opiates can either at high doses make it better or make it worse and I think they are making it worse...
I could barely make it to pee..sweating like withdrawal and was on c-pap machine till I gave in and took a break thru opiate ....
I have had to hit the addiction,withdrawal on google to get lowdown..
I have been on opiates tyl with codeine to now oxymorphone last 3 months and I want out..
I couldn't begin to move let alone get to pain dr office hour away..
I was not dying..I am having a bad reaction at these higher dose and no pain relief.. And there is a name for it but can't think..
Thanks for letting me rant..
Blessings..
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Hi..thank u so much for the info..
I read the 2011 post and things were iffy...I am so new to posts that I mess up and reply to things said yrs ago..
My gi guy did not even mention blocks but I know they exist..I only saw him a few wks ago and my prim care dr. Is young,arrogant and worthless except his gi referral was nice..it wea as though I was a convicted felon or something
Lordy..I was put on double dose op opiate dose and even though I am retired med professional .....(not doctor) ..
I know now how to look up things now..I left my job because of neuropathy..pain in 1993 and went with husband to be his unemployed wife ..
In 2007 I had to come back to states cause I needed pain meds..opiates can cause an enteric nerve inflammation of abdomen..
That is something this gi dr should even had told me! Nobody knows much about it i might have that..
So thankful for your post..you know how you feel when someone helps..I think you are an angel..
Pls keep in touch..I want to get off opiates pain dr has doubled what I took just since nov 2011..
Blessings
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I have been seen a pain doctor for the last two years and even though the cause of my chronic pain is unknown the only thing that has worked is the celiac plexus nerve block.  I get releived immediately after the shot is done.  They can tell if it works for you or not after the first shot.  They always do a trial shot and it it provides relief then they do another one adding more lasting meds.  So far I'm getting two shots per year, they're lasting approximately six months which is a blessing.  
hope this helps
will keep in touch
god bless!!!!
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Hi, what is sod?
I had lumbar1 left side of spine ablation because I had left side severe abdominal pain and no pancreatic enzyme problems or colonoscopy/endoscopic stomach problems..
I had a bad fall crashing back against stairs and who knew 15yrs later the damage would be cause of sacral arthritis so spinal anaesthsiologist had cut nerves both side of spine sacral nerves S1thru s5...
When he saw me double up in pain on lumbar 1 area he ablated it and the relief has lasted for over a year..
The crap hit the fan when after 3 yrs the s1-s5 nerves have grown back and now I have to go thru that again and am now ruling out gi problems before asking him to ablate the l1 nerve again as like I said, it has been a yr.
Good luck on finding out what is going on..
There are nerve endings in celiac and lumbar plexus on either sides pancreas and gall bladder some doctors just want to not even get "into" the discussion about it and that is WRONG ...but the pains do exist and I am going to get my pain specialist to help me find a researcher or something.
I have autoimmune neuropathy pain which is controlled unfortunately with opiates but they affect serotonin,dopamine and those transmitters are in abdomen walls too, thus causing even more problems...keep in touch please as u are the only person I have found posting about this..
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Thank you for your reply.
I was kind of thinking the same thing, that what ever was causing my URQ is now causing my ULQ pain.  I'm not sure where to turn.  My GI doctor does not have a clue of what's causing the pain that's why he sugested geting the nerve block. I have tried several narcotic medicine to treat the pain but they all cause me to be extremely nauseos and dizzy.  (I guess I have a sensitive stomach)

But, all of this started after I had my gallbladder removed.  I didn't had any stones, but it wasn't functioning propertly. Pathology reports showed I had a chronic infection, and the gallbladder was full of scar tissue.  Even after removal of the gallbladder the pain didn't went away.  

All the blood work and CT scan and Upper GI have come back normal.
By doing some research I've come accross SOD dysfunction, but my Dr has never mention it.  I've been thinking about seeing another gi doctor, meanwhile I'm hoping the nerve block will give me some relief.  I get to see the pain doctor again in a couple of weeks, he mention that sometimes it takes several injections to see some results.  Thanks again for your concern.
God Bless!!
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Hi Martinez,

Welcome to MedHelp's Pain Management Forum. I am glad that you found us but sorry to hear about your Chronic Pain.

I am not an expert... far from it... however it doesn't seem likely that the injection caused pain in the opposite side. It may be that whatever caused the URQ pain is now affecting the ULQ.

I think you need a good diagnostic physician to find out why you are having this pain, on either side. You probably already know that and have done your homework. If you haven't consulted a physician associated with a large teaching hospital or a nationally known clinic I encourage you to do so.

I wish I had better suggestions for you. Because you didn't describe your symptoms in detail I assume you don't have questions as to what it could be. Please let us know how you are doing. I'll be interesting to hear your updates.
Best of Luck!

Take Care,
~Tuck
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