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9 year old temper tantrums

Our 9 year old boy throws daily temper tantrums. My wife is at her limits dealing with him. It takes only the slightest thing to set him off, for example not being allowed to stay up late or not having the 'right' potato chips.
He'll scream and shout and kick anything within reach but after 10-15 minutes he'll be back to normal as if it had never happenned.

Curiously, he's very well behaved at school and is never in trouble but at home it's very different. His biological father is a violent manipulative person and we're scared he'll grow up the same. He doesn't act up for daddy because he's scared of making him angry.

His grandmother is very soft on him and babies him which I think is a big part of the problem.

How do we cope with his tantrums? Withdrawing the Xbox/allowance has had no effect. Should we mark T-3 or T-1 on the calendar in his room so he can see how many tantrums he's thrown on a particular day?

It's got to the point that his brother suffers too much by not getting treats/attention because his baby brother is so utterly demanding.

Is there any medication that would re-balance his temper?
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Thank you so much for your reply specialmom,  

I will take your advice on board and try enclosed space pop up tent strategy, for her to chill in her own little place,
i think she would respond well to that ...

I'm not ruling out professional help just yet I'd rather we tried ourself first.
It's great to hear of people like yourself who have used strategies that worked. Any more strategies you know of would be very much appreciated.  

I hope your nephew finds something that grasps his interest and makes him want to do well.

((Hugs)) Oohlahlah.
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You sound like a great mom.  I hope this all gets on track.

I mentioned my nephew as an example of things gone wrong but want to mention my son as the opposite.  He was diagnosed with sensory integration disorder at 4 and we sought the help of an occupational therapist.  He really struggled as a little guy.  He still has this developmental delay that involves his nervous system and greatly impacts several things including emotional regulation (tantrums were common in the early years).  We worked very hard on the coping strategies.  He's now 14 and really doing well.  He is a stellar student with high grades and is self motivated to achieve that, he plays school sports, is in the school band playing trumpet, is a Star level boyscout (on his way to eagle scout), and has a few good friends.  He still has sensory integration disorder but works to control it.  

Let me ask you this . . . what does getting outside help represent to you?  What is holding you back from that?  I had balked too but you are having a significant problem at home with her and they ARE seeing it at school as well.  If a professional can help, I'm not sure what the hold up is.  I don't really believe in diagnosing kids right off the bat.  My son has anxiety, for example. I didn't want a diagnosis of this to be given to him young because then I was afraid it would define him.  BUT, he has anxiety.  I have to look at that and try to help him with it and the first step is acknowledging it.  So, if you plan to work on this yourself, don't take too much time doing that before asking for a professional to help.  Our occupational therapist was instrumental for where we are today.  She got my son in a way the rest of the world often doesn't.  And she helped him with specific needs he had that others who don't understand can't.  Just food for thought and planting a seed that asking for help for our children is not something that should make us feel bad but be seen as an extra help in our process of parenting (which is really hard in my opinion, parenting is a tough gig to know what to do all the time.)

will follow up in another comment.
I also wonder what kind of psychologist they are referring to?  The overworked school district psychologist or are they meaning the school counselor.  School counselors are pretty handy in that they are real world experts of kids around your own child.  I got some help from our school psychologist for perfectionism my son has (which is problematic for an anxious kid cause no one is perfect).  But if you don't want to see the school psychologist (and I didn't really want the school involved in my affairs on that level)---  I understand that and maybe someone your doctor recommends or your insurance covers that can be done outside of school would be good.  You'll be surprised what your kids say to others as they have internal pressure to be a certain way with parents.  

Okay, enough of that as I know that you really don't want to hear the virtues of going to a psychologist. So, I'll ask a basic question.  How do you discipline her for her behavior?  What consequences does she suffer for it?  I'm a believer in natural consequences.  Calmly given.  I set forth clear expectations and what the consequences will be if not met.  Fighting with brother results in X.  Praise when she resists urges or finds other ways to get along with him, follow through on the consequence when she doesn't.  I hit em where it hurts with punishment (but have never hit my kids, ha ha).  Meaning--  I know what matters to them.  They may love a family activity.  That is on the table to be taken away as a consequence.  They may love a stuffed animal.  On the table to be gone for X amount of time.  They may enjoy having a friend over.  On the table.  See what I'm getting at?  What are her hot buttons of enjoyment?  Those are within your control to withhold if her behavior does not match your expectations.  I started this at 3 years old or earlier. My son loved his blankie.  Blankie would go on the mantel if you broke the rules.  It would be just a short period of time, but it got him where he hurt.  Cause he loved that blankie.  And it would take only couple of times of this happening before he realized I meant business and the unacceptable behavior had to stop.  

I know this is long, sorry!  But I want to point out that as I said, my son has a neurological developmental delay.  This did not prevent me from trying to shape behavior.  So he still had the full consequences but I also worked on his sensory issues too.  Once in tantrum mode, he couldn't calm down.  So, we worked to look for triggers.  To prevent it from getting to that point.  Learning to recognize those and then teaching HIM to recognize them so that he could then head it off himself was really so very helpful.  We charted what happened preceding a bad meltdown or time.  Then we also did a mood thermometer.  And you can draw this with your daughter.  Draw an old fashioned thermometer--- the kind with a bulb at the bottom and it goes straight up.  The bottom, color green. This is the just right place where she is calm, things are okay, peaceful.  When she is on green, how does she feel?  Ask her.  Her heart beat is slow, her voice is normal volume, her breathing is calm, she's relaxed.  This is where she wants to be!  
The next section up from there is yellow.  Here, she's beginning to have feelings of agitation.  She's feeling a bit off and something is bugging her.  Her heart is beating a little faster, she's breathing a bit faster, her body is tensing a bit, she's talking a little louder and faster.  
The next section is orange.  This is high alert.  Something is wrong and she's upset.  She's talking loudly almost yelling, she's breathing heavy, her hands are clenched into fists, she's about to explode.
The next section is red. This is the full explosion, when she is shouting, hitting, full on tantrum.  Have her describe what her body is doing at those times.  

Then the goal is to work on how to never let it get past yellow. What activities can she do to self soothe or calm herself down.  Make a list.  Counting, the cool down spot, breathing exercises, using words, etc.  Again, role playing it for her to see. And then help her put it into action.

I hope my talk of outside help didn't upset you.  I agree that you don't have to do anything with the school and I would consider keeping it separate too.  I understand that!!!  

Stay in touch, okay?  hugs to you too
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So glad it's  not just our family.. this thread has made me feel better. the head teacher at school is stressing me out  and putting me on an emotional guilt trip to work with a child psychologist. After chatting to her one morning about our situation because we were late for school due to a tantrum... you see  I have same problem with my 9 year old daughter she is such a well mannered little girl and an angel at school. At home she kicks off at the slightes thing. She is so stubborn she wont back down no matter how many times she is sent on time out,  I have seen me for 2 and a half hours walking backwards and forwards to return her to her room when she only had to stay there for 9 mins in the first place, she fights with her little brother all the time and says horrible things to hurt me. She whines and crys at me constantly she always apologise after she calms down and feels really upset at herself, which makes me sad. It's like having a 3 year old and now her brother is starting to copy her ... I had a chat to the head teacher one morning as she was refusing to leave for school so hubby took son to school on time and I had to take her in late. Now the teacher (who is also a psychologist) is trying to advise  us to work with a child professional to seek help but I dont want this As id rather deal with it privately. What would yous other parents say to the teacher? I mean I was willing to take some advice from these people and have a look inside myself to see if it was me that was being a **** parent. I am at my wits end... But we Have a loving family who the kids can turn to if they dont t want to speak to me or hubby about their feelings etc, so I dont  see why they would need strangers to talk to and also I dont t want my kids being taken out of class to chat to an outside psychologist and having a paper trail of sessions with them at school ...  the head teacher is very new to the school. And I feel she is just wanting to use my daughter for brownie points in her well being school plan. I know that sounds really bad but she is doing my head in and wont back off. She actually ran down a set of stairs to catch me leaving at home time to ask me to come in and work with them. It is getting beyond a joke I wish I had not opened my mouth to her. Sorry for epic message I would appreciate advice or opinions from other parents in same boat.
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I am so sorry it is hard.  We deserve a medal some days for parenting, don't we?  I give you a medal for caring and trying your best!!  

A child psychologist may very well be a good idea in my opinion.  Every child is different and while parents here can commiserate, it is best to evaluate the situation that your own child is having with a professional.  

The issue is that if your daughter is not taught better coping skills, this can continue on in different ways as she gets older.  I have a nephew that had a similar story to your daughter.  He's now 17 and graduated high school and refusing to do anything.  He is quite intelligent but decided that he didn't want to be a student anymore in his last year and a half of high school and barely graduated.  And now that he is done with high school, he won't work, go to trade school or college.  His parents are at a loss.  He was an angel at school until the older years but hard at home.  

I'm not telling you this to scare you but rather to tell you to work on the problem now when the stakes are not so high.  

I used tantrum strategies with my son.  First, I role played what he could and could not do.  I made it funny and entertaining to engage him.  Things he was allowed to do during:  go to a private, cool down spot where no one could bother him while he got himself together.  I used a pillow pile behind a chair but pop up tents work well or under a child's table.  (enclosed is well liked for this).  Use their words.  open and close fists tightly/firmly.  Count to 10.  deep breathing (in for a slow count of three, out for a slow count of three, repeat).  Do wall push overs which is to go up to a wall and act like you are pushing it over. This is calming to the nervous system.  Give themselves a firm hug also calming.  

I charted and looked for the triggers to the tantrum and we worked on strategies to head them off.  

good luck
And one other thing, teachers and counselors are busy with a full school of kids.  They are trying to help.  Please see it that way for the sake of your daughter.  good luck
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My 9 year old son is exactly the same.  Great student at school, loved by teachers and friends, but total tantrums at home.  Like tonight, tantrum over why we moved the location of the toaster in the kitchen!  I recently went to a psychologist and she recommended Bach Flower Therapy for him and myself.  It sounded to her that there is an imbalance in his body that could be corrected, especially since he is VERY fussy with food.  It's all natural and I figured I have nothing to lose if I try it out.  The rest is about showering him with love when he does behave appropriately.  And as far as when he doesn't, keeping the reprimand short, brief and to the point and walking away.  Nothing can be gained from trying to speak to someone when they're furious.  Best to revisit when they're calm.  Good luck y'all, we're gonna need it!
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I am in the same boat my son is 9 no and he has been having tantrums since he was 4 1/2 they just get worse. I have tried everything with him. form talking to taking things away from. rewards for not having any. You know it I have tried it all. My Son have gotten so bad he talks about wanting to die and wanting to see others die...starting at 5 his said things that still bring me to tears on how he want to watch me die and hear me scream in pain till I do die. I have taken him to get help and they say it's ADHD with a sever mood disorder. we tried all kinds of medications which made it worse. and we stopped that. We went a few years with out the helps since it was doing nothing. we now go again and they have cancelled his help now three times. and we not have to wait to see some one till they find someone new. mind you they haven't seen him minus the consult. so trust me I understand the stress. My son does amazing at school and at most peoples homes unless I have known them for longer than 6 months then forget it he will have tantrums meltdown what ever you care to call them. Me and my husband are so lost on what to do. he doesn't care who he hurt emotionally or physically which is throwing toys. I feel all of your pains.
Heather, I felt I needed to respond to your post not only as a mother but as a nurse.  I too have a 9 year old son who since the age of 2 has continued to become extremely complicated.  I also have a 5 year old daughter they are like night and day.  My son can go from normal one second to totally pissed off and rolling on the ground like a 3 year old. Honestly I believe it is all attention seeking and I ignore that behavior.  My son has also stated he wanted to kill himself, and he wanted to die several times he only says this when he is angry and "freaking out" is that the case with your son as well?  I was also concerned so I spoke to my mom who said both my brothers who are now 37 & 36 said the same things when they would get in trouble or were angry when they were younger.  I did talk to him when he calmed down and he did tell me then how he did not feel "suicidal" he was just mad.  He still does say it when he is mad, I ignore it during the tantrum because I believe now it is attention seeking behavior in his case.  My son does good in school, and I am always told what a pleasure he is to have in class, or over for visits at friends houses.  With that said from a nursing standpoint and I have a diagnosed mood disorder (bipolar) if someone told me my son had bipolar or any other mood disorder I would say bull crap!!  I was once told all kids have bipolar!! They can go from one extreme to the next in 10 seconds!!! I spoke with my psychiatrist about this before and he told me that mood disorders are extremely difficult to diagnose in children, their brains are still developing and changing.  Bipolar in particular doesn't really present itself until the early 20's.  With that said if a doctor speaks with your son one time and diagnoses him with a mood disorder run far far away!!!  I've been trying a positive reinforcement approach with my 9 y/o son and less focus on the negative and it seems to be going good.  For example he recently wanted a trampoline so we made a chart and everyday he had good behavior he got to cross off a day and after 2 months he earned the trampoline. I hope this helps. :)
Gosh, I related to your post.  My son that is similar to your son though was diagnosed at 4 with sensory processing disorder.  This is not a mental health disorder but a nervous system issue.  Regulation of mood and emotion is part of the nervous system.  We did occupational therapy for six years on our own dime (not covered by our insurance) but it helped give my son coping tools that were so valuable.  Fast forward to his now age of 13.  He's quirky but able to handle things better.  He uses all his 'tools' including a full regime of lots of physical activity that helps keep his sensory disorder maintained.  

But, he's anxious. We are going to see a therapist for anxiety.  The longer you let issues like that fester, the more likely it is that they will become chronic.  

A diagnosis is not a bad thing.  It has allowed my son to get what he needed both in terms of treatment and with his school and our own home understanding things better---  and again, he's a straight A student, plays competitive sports, has friends, activities, in band, etc.  Quite successful and wouldn't have been had we not gone the route of seeking professional help.

good luck to you and your son!
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My son is the exact same way, Im going nuts, I dont know what to do! Help!!
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I know it's been awhile since you posted this but I have an exact same situation with my 6 1/2 yr old daughter. I am wondering if things have improved in your household and how is your daughters behavior now that she is older?
Any information would be helpful. I feel like my situation will only get worse with age...especially the preteen/teen years.
HELP!
Anissa
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To all, I would say that consistency in discipline is key. Meaning, if you say this will be the consequence, follow through. Don't give in. This does not mean you can't change your discipline, it simply means follow through on it. Then your child will know that you mean what you say and that those "will" be the consequences.

I have found personally that material punishment (taking away toys etc...) is not very affective. Isolation seems to work a lot better. Corners are great. Rooms can be, if frequently checked on to ensure no misconduct (don't go when they call for you when it is an obvious strive for attention). This does not mean go to your room and play with your toys there or read your books etc... They should be missing out on what they like to do and hopefully thinking about their behavior.

Another strategy is to empower your child. Tell them it is okay for them to be upset, or angry at the situation or you (whomever). Follow it up with, I just do not want to hear it. Tell them they can cry, I cry, everyone cries when they get upset and it is certainly okay for you to also. It is not okay for you to do it so loudly tho. Remind them that it is not okay to stomp around or slam doors, that is an escalation of bad behavior. Instead offer them another method of physical release from their frustrations. Blank paper and crayons.

Another alternative to the tantrum is to create a distraction. Even if it's completely bizarre, in fact often times that is more effective. You are taking that brief moment and diverting their attention to something else. It may not completely stop them from having a reaction to a given situation, but it gives that brief moment were they re-evaluate what they where doing just a moment before and gives them a chance to make a new choice. Instead of going back to what made them upset (though it may still be right there) I turn the attention back to something else, unrelated to what has upset them and hope that by the time we get back to what has sent them in to the near tantrum that it is a calm return with a happier outcome.

Sorry for the long winded response, but those are just a few tactics I have used for my now 9 year old who for all intents and purposes is well behaved.
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I am in the same boat with my 6 year old girl.  Only she gets angry and throws huge tantrums several times a day and HITS and scratches my husband and I.  She is HUGE for her age and we try to carry her to a time out in her room and almost fall down doing it every time.  She is completely out of control.  She recently started acting up a little at school even when we pick her up...she runs at us and starts asking for a new toy or something and obsessing and when we do not have one in the car she throws a raging fit kicking the seats and making a HUGE scene.  We took her to a doc and she is on meds but she still has these out of control rages.  We are concerned for her future. (and ours!)
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I wish there was some help - I am at my wit's end too. My 9 year old daughter is exactly the same. She is a perfectly happy normal kid most times, but the smallest thing sends her into a sulk. At school she is perfectly normal, playing with her friends and is excellent at her studies. But when she gets home she starts fighting with her younger brother and generally making a nuisance of herself. She is a very loving child and I feel bad telling her off, but i have no idea how to handle this!!
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You have described my eight year old daughter to a T!  My daughter does extremely well in school and when I question her teachers about her behaviour, they have nothing but positive feedback. When I explain her tantrums at home, they are always SO surprised and I'm sure they cannot picture the extent of it. Infact, unless you lived with us, I don't think anyone can quite understand what it is like.
Like your daughter, ours throws these tantrums over the slightest issue and at times it infuriates me, and at others I feel sorry and concerned for her. I don't know how to deal with it as we have tried everything we can think of. She is in a stable and secure home setting. Her three other siblings don't portray this type of behaviour and her dad and I are happily married. I don't know the cause or the actions to take and am at my wits end.
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Hi there,  I'm kind of in the same boat here, I have an eight year old daughter who is an excellent student never has any behavioral problems at school.  At home anything can set her off, and she is starting to talk back to me and is sometimes hateful to her younget sister and throws these tantrums with uncontrolable crying, for example the other night getting ready for bed she had to take a shower and wash her hair, she wanted to take one in my shower (she does sometimes)  we said no she can take one in their bathroom then started begging and whining then it turned into a crying tantrum, my husband put her in her room for 15 minutes, but you could her by the door, saying I'm sorry, I won't do it again, over and over.  I'm at a loss of what to do these days, so if anyone has advice or has been through this, please help us!

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Nicole
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