People Are Allergic To Me (PATM)

[realitchy]

Anyone tryed this new bottled silver solution
I'm sure its genuine it states it charges the water using electricity through two silver rods.I found this on alex jones site infowars.com the guy who is stating 9/11 was an inside job my friend swears by him. So I dont think this guy would advertise something on his site that wasnt genuine.There was this one guy who turned blue but he was drinking gallons of this stuff.But Im going to get some orderered to try it see if it makes a differance as it states it kills many viruses like E. coli B, E. aerogenes, E. cloacae, S. typhimunium, P. aeruginosa, S. gordonii and S. aureus check out the site INFOWARS.COM and and click on the advert THE NEW SILVER SOLUTION on the right hand side(adverts down the page a bit)Maybe this will kill of leaky gut syndrome.

I honestly hope this is the answer and I will praise Alex Jones for the rest of my life if it is.

[gazzad]

ive tried it ,it's quite expensive and didnt help me.......its called colloidal silver,ive tried taken it orally and spraying it,don't get your hopes up.....sorry

[realitchy]

Im not going to buy this stuff  now but make my own check out how to make your own on youtube type in How to make colloidial silver with silver wire and 12 volts.

[gazzad]

careful,iff the particles ar'nt fine enough you could turn blue........[permenently]

[realitchy]

youre probably right maybe be bad idea as blue is my least favourite colour as Im a celtic fan and I dont fancy walking about the street looking like a blue nose

[gazzad]

yer,we get enough attension without that.

[realitchy]

do you know anything about histamine because when i first when went to doctor to see about Patm he said I give off histamine but he didnt really convince me (anti-histamines ok to stop itch but made matters) for other people.really sore stomach though so I gave up on them
I was just wondering if you wake up with your face covered in a film of some sort
I wake up and tend to feel my face is a bit sticky and Im always blowing my nose to clear it.Had the same feeling tonght on my face I just steeped my head in really warm water and I felt alot better.

[gazzad]

dont know anything about histamine,but yes i get oily residue on my face & hair,scalp area,sometimes itchy burning around my nostrel cheek area,i think its to do with my seb dermetitis though cos that makes my scalp burn & itch,ive tried hundreds of shampoo's & the only thing ive learnt is to use mild day to day and my medicated twice weekly,iff i didnt have a scalp problem i would use the mildest natural shampoo daily cos i'm sure the strong over acidic or alkaline shampoos you use on your head comes out your face pore's,in fact i know they do cos i've used sulphur shampoo to wash my hair never washed my hair for 2 days rubbed the oily chin area and could smell sulphur in it.

[rosewood47]

Hi All,

I know few people don’t agree/believe me that is fine, few people thing this only theory because no one practiced this. I am not against any one’s view.  This is my practical experience.  But I want to help you and this is really working for me. This process will take some time because we are used to with one food and it is tough to change all in one day.

The following diet will cures many health problems. Remember modern medicine will only cure the problems and it will not preventing from the problems. There is no modern medicine to preventing the health issues.  I am not against it, we do need all those. What I am trying say is, use modern technology and live long with out any diseases. Every one trying, how to curing the problems after getting it but no one trying how to prevent problems in first place (that is what I am trying to explain). Remember our body is made with mother nature (Earth, Water, Air, Fire, Either (sky) ). If you take whatever is mother nature given to us, we should not have any health issues. And also our body is made/designed with automatic fixing & Cleaning mechanism, but the problem is we don’t give chance to our body to fix it. So first give chance to our body to fix the problem.  I do believe we are generating some kind of gas in our stomach.


Here are the key points.
1. Be on naturals food – no salt, no oil, no meat/eggs, no processed food at all – Don’t eat zinger, garlic and other powerful spices every day (those are natural medicines not for regular daily use).
2. 1 day fasting in a week (you can drink water when you are on fasting. If you are not able do  than use some honey while you are doing fasting)  
3. Drink more water (5-6 liters in a day)
4. Complete your dinner before 6pm – if you can eat only fruits that is very good for health ( after that don’t eat any thing, If you are hungry take some honey late in the evening)
5. Use honey or Pitted Dates in place of sugar
6. Make your food hot and spicy so that your tongue will not complain about taste.


Start with this.

The following things are for one time only.

1. Get it done enema for couple of times to clean up the stomach. – Before starting step 2.
2. Do fasting (I am not saying how many days because I don’t want you do get in trouble. Do it depend on body capacity).
3. Get full body massage for better blood circulation.  


Every day diet + 1 day fasting in a week

1. Take 1 Liters of water (depends on you body type & capacity).  Just walk here and there for 30 min.
2. Go for free motion (stools). The motion will come out because of water.
3. Do the same thing 1, 2 after you complete first time motion. The second time it will flush out any remaining. (Do you know that two to three times of motion in a day makes you a perfectly healthy person and imagine what will have if you don’t clean you trash at your home this is also same concept)
4. Do some work out or yoga for an hour.
5. Take some Fresh vegetable juice whatever you like.
6. After 30 min - 1 hr take some sprouts ( if you don’t have sprouts on that day you can take some nuts or some thing overnight socked almonds or peanuts) . Remember Green Mung Bean sprouts contains highest Protein . If you have Farmers Market or chinese or India store near by you can buy other type of lentils and you can prepared the different kinds of sprouts or food.
7. Give 3-4 hours gap and had you lunch. You can have cooked or uncooked food in lunch time.  
8. In lunch had some crabs. Had heavy lunch because you are going to skip the dinner. Stop drinking water before 30 min of lunch. Don’t drink any water while eating your food.  
9. Give 3-4 hours gap had some fresh juice.
10. After 1 hr had your dinner only fruits (before 6pm or sunset).

I am consuming lot of veggies/ Spinach (other leafy vegetable) with fresh chili, corn, lemon, Mint, Cilantro , beans, and Lentils (which contains lots of Protein) fresh coconut milk in cooked food.  If it is rice I am using raw (brown) rice and wheat crackers with vegetables. Unsalted fresh or roasted or socked nuts.

You may ask me when you are going to enjoy the other food. The ans. is once in a while not every day. Make one day eat what ever you want (no meat :P) and than clean up the system with water and fasting.

Any comments, questions are welcome.

Your health is in your hand. Good luck.


Thanks
Rosewood.

[rosewood47]

I for got put Sesame seeds which is high in Calcium, Protein etc other Nutritional values. Beet Root ( 2end replacement for sodium after Spinach), carrots, home made Curd/Yoghurt

Thanks

[rosewood47]

Doing full day fasting is bit a tough in the beginning. Start with half day and than increase. Once you feel you are cured you can stop weekly once fasting or change the frequency . But I am not going to stop. Basically fasting is giving opportunity to our body to fixing and cleaning up.  If you don't eat any thing our body use that time & energy to clean up things.

Thanks

[realitchy]

Im going to try a diet I read that we need more magnesium in our diets i read up on this it is meant to slow down the histamine making process, this may be the problem and I will surely take into account your diets as well because if I use topical creams the problems seem to get worse and the symptoms get worse days after  and Im not going to lie and tell you I eat healthy because I dont I smoke and I eat alot of junk

[realitchy]

Im goin to try not wearing any socks as this seems to trigger alot of itching and Im sure elastic in socks makes patm go bonkers

[realitchy]

I reckon we have some parasite in our body I looked up cancerous parasites not that Im saying we have this but it did tell you some facts about parasites and  a diet on killing them.Im going to try this because my friend has lots of wormwood plants in his garden.Heres a copy of the page........
Though conventional wisdom has it that cancer is not like other diseases; that it is a fire that cannot be controlled or contained; that the cancerous organ must be radiated or cut out - nothing could be more wrong.

All cancers are alike and all are caused by a single parasite (fasciolopsis buskii), the same parasite that also causes HIV and AIDS. If you kill the parasite, the cancer stops immediately and the tissues return to normal. You must have this parasite in order to get cancer or AIDS.

Usually, the fasciolopsis buskii parasite lives harmlessly in the small intestine where it does little harm, save for the occasional case of colitis, Chrohn's Disease or irritable bowel syndrome. Most of the time, parasites are expelled out of the bowels. But when the parasite is able to invade other parts of the body such as the liver, uterus or kidneys, it can cause cancer if the host body is unable to properly process isopropyl alcohol, or common rubbing alcohol.

People with propyl alcohol in their body are unable to trap and kill the parasites when they enter the liver and other tissues. Consequently, the parasites multiply and the hatchlings start to make little balls inside themselves, called redia, and they start to reproduce themselves - 40 redia can each make 40 more redia - all from one egg.

Multiplying continues at a hectic pace as does maturation until the redia develop tails (and become cercariae) so they can swim through the body looking for a place to attach themselves. Once they do, the tails disappear and they develop cocoons.

When there are mature parasites in the liver, a new growth factor called ortho-phos- pho-tyrosine (one of more than two dozen "cancer makers" present in cancerous tissues) appears and the cells divide. When the human cells divide, you have cancer.

The fasciolopsis parasite works in a similar way when causing AIDS, except benzene is the key toxin, and the thymus, (located under the breast bond just before the thymus gland) not the liver, is the sensitive organ.

Ordinarily, the thymus makes T blood cells that battle invaders. But if benzene (an extremely toxic, but carefully regulated solvent for destroying grease and oil) is allowed to enter the body and accumulate in the thymus gland, the parasites can run rampant right in the center of your immune system.

If you eat the tiniest bit of benzene, it goes directly to your thymus; rub it on your skin and it will be in your thymus a half minute later. Though your white blood cells eat it up, no tissue can have benzene in it without being damaged - especially the center of your body's immune system

Once the liver or organ is polluted by propyl alcohol or benzene, it is difficult for the body to rid itself of the parasites which allows the parasite to produce millions of eggs right in the body, in the cervix or lungs or anywhere in which the tissue lets them in.

Once the parasites are in, it is hard for the different organs to purge them (and very difficult for the body to handle all the new toxins that invade the body as a result of the parasites).

There is good news, but to recover from cancer or AIDS you must kill the parasites, stop letting propyl alcohol or benzene into your system, flush out metals and common toxins and clean up your thymus gland.

Parasite Remedies

Getting rid of all the parasites would be impossible if only clinical medicines, that kill only one or two parasites each, were used. Such medicines also can make you ill. There are three herbs that, taken together, can rid you of more than 100 parasites without so much as a headache, nausea or any interference with any other drug. The herbs are black walnut hulls (from the black walnut tree, wormwood (only from the Artemesia shrub) and freshly ground cloves.

These herbs must be used together as a single treatment because while black walnut hulls and wormwood kill the developing and mature parasite, the freshly ground cloves kill the eggs.

It is the green hull of the black walnut tree that has the miraculous parasiticide. Once it turns black it is useless for this purpose, If you take the walnuts in a tincture, use only the pale green extract, not black.

Wormwood can either be grown (use the Artemesia absynthium strain) or you can buy it in bottles. To kill parasites, either two 80-count bottles or a 1/2 cup of fresh Artemesia leaves are needed.

The third necessary herb is 1/3 cup fresh cloves, but it needs to be ground up in order to release its parasite killing properties but store bought ground cloves do not work. Don't take a chance - grind your own.

Because parasites produce ammonia as their main waste product, it is recommended that you supplement your parasite recipe with 500 mg of ornithine in the evening and 500 mg of arginine in the morning.

How to Kill Your Parasites

Walnut Tincture: Take one drop of black walnut tincture four times in a beverage. The drops can be one hour apart if you start at 6 p.m. They can be four hours apart if you start in the morning. Take them before meals on an empty stomach. On the second day, take two drops four times as above; on the third day, take three drops four times and increase in this way until you have taken 20 drops four times a day, then continue taking 20 drops once a day for three months.

Wormwood: Take one capsule of wormwood with water before supper on the first day; two capsules on the second day and continue in this manner until you are taking 14 capsules a day. Continue for two days, and then switch to a permanent program of 14 capsules twice a week forever. Those with sensitive stomachs can stay two days on each dose before increasing to the next level. After six days, you may choose the pace.

Cloves: Fill size 00 capsules with ground cloves, and take one capsule three times a day before meals on day one, and two capsules three times a day on day two. On days three through ten, take three capsules three times a day. After the tenth day, take three capsules twice a week forever, as in the Maintenance Parasite Program.

It only takes five days on the three herbs to kill the intestinal flukes, eggs, miracidia, redia, cercaria and metacercaria, but the parasite killing program continues to a peak in three weeks, followed by two months of fairly high doses in order to rid your body of most other parasites. After this, the maintenance program is followed to kill new parasites. The only after effects felt are from dead parasites. Generally, as a rule of thumb, you can assume that if parasite killing herbs make you feel better, then you had parasites. Dr. Hulda Clark, Ph.D., N.D., is the author of The Cure For All Cancers and The Cure For HIV and AIDS published by ProMotion Publishing. [phone]
Hope you found this interesting

[gazzad]

hi realitchy,bet that lot kept you bizzy,not sure about the aids,cancer theory it makes him sound like a bit nutz,i can see what interested you though the parasite ammonia theory sound possible,if you try this combination keep us informed iff it helps or not

[gazzad]

hi rosewood,i'me glad this works for you,ive personally changed my diet so many times and seen no differance at all, but i may give it a go when i'me living alone again.....thanks

[Brassrat]

If there is a link between fungus/mold in our bodies and PATM then it looks like scientists are starting to do some research on it:

Here is a link I found:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/candida-0618.html

[HelplessHopeful]

As promised.
My oral microbiology test came back positive for 3 groups of species of harmful oral bacteria. I have done searched on one of them, oral Campylobacter, and found that it has a cross-antigenicity/reactivity with H. Pylori, which causes gastritis in the stomach. Japanese researchers found that some diagnosis of H Pylori infections done on people who have this oral bacteria could be wrong due to detection of oral Campylobacter.
Well I was diagnosed with H pylori and treated. Then diagnosed again and treated again. But didn't go away. Imagine that. Did I really have H pylori or was it this bacteria's antigen that was being detected. This microbiology test that I just did is a DNA test and so it is more accurate than an antigen test. I fought to get this test done 9 years. Well, at least now I know why when I talk to people face to face they get colds afterwards in addition to sniffing instantly coughing and sneezing repeatedly. I am starting my prescription tomorrow. Will update on my progress.
The diets, I have tried almost everything you can imagine, even diets that no one would dare to try. None of them worked for me, not even a slight change. But they could work for some. So give diets a try people and let us know.
The only thing that worked for me so far is taking probiotics and doing stress management.
The coloidal silver I tried as well. Worked for a few days, then back to the PATM.
Green tea, Black tea, Grapeseed extract, you name it, along with diets. Tea and grapeseed worked for a while, then back to full PATM, and this has been my case.
Also the Campylobacter and other bacteria found that's my case. Doesn't mean you will necessarily have them, or PATM is caused by them, just to be clear. I tend to be a practical person in life, and so with PATM I address what I find and I try everything, not just one thing. And so if anyone has PATM and bad breath together, and can afford it, get an oral microbiology test done and go from there. And If you have other illnesses try addressing them as well and see if there is improvement. But no pressure at all. This is just a recommendation. I don't know the cause or treatment for PATM, and so far no one does.
Let's keep digging. We'll find the answer some day.
Thanks everyone. Good job.

[gazzad]

thanks for informing us,I hope treatment sorts it out,maybe its triggered your patm,maybe it is your patm.

[HelplessHopeful]

Thanks gazzad. Who knows, PATM is so strange. I hope it works as well. It's just that I've tried some many things that worked first then stopped working, now I have become too cautious about these treatments. It's as if whatever it is mutates and becomes immune to whatever treatment you're on. I believe someone said this on one the posts. But I do hope that it works so someone else can benefit from it. I will also follow BerthaJ advice and pray. I have started her 5 steps last week.
Let's keep digging. We'll find something eventually.

[cursedtoo]

Great work HH. What kind of Dr performed the oral microbiology test?
I have BB and PATM going on 30yrs this fall :(. I have been diagnosed with a mild case of GERD and also have seborihic dermatitis which occassionally spreads down my face onto my upper torso ( it appears as small,red itchy, bumps). I have a hard time finding doctors who believe I have a problem (besides a mental one) . I totally agree stress reduction is the only reliable relief I can actually reproduce (with meds).
Does your Dr believe the Campylobacter can make other peoploe sick?

Again Great Work and Good Luck in your endeavors,
                                                                                cursedtoo

[realitchy]

Hi anyone tryed getting treated for scabies If so what where you using

[gazzad]

tell you what ive noticed,ive been experementing with my bathing and people have stopped there constant sneezing around me,ive not cured patm but seem to have taken one of the sympoms away,i think soaps or scented antipersperant on parts of my body make people sneeze.what i'm doing is using a strong unscented antiperserant at night [like odabanor drysol] you know the ones you put on 2 or 3 times weekly,then i bath in the morning just water at first rubbing my armpit area over gently with my hand a half dozen times to clean the surface,then i just lather up the rest of my body making sure i get my back done but keep the soap 3" away from my pit area,I give myself a good wash as normal but don't put soap directly on my armpit area, then i just lye in bath 10 minutes for the soap to disperse,dry off and get ready.Its been 5 weeks now and my pit doesnt smell bad and ive never noticed that hysterical sneezing that follows me,i still getting the sniffing & rubbing nose though.... its the hot areas of our body that it comes from and its heat that makes it worse...so we need to stay cool and try not to get anxious because anxiety brings it on.

[gazzad]

and another thing,this DIMETHYL SULPHIDE to me seems the most promising lead i've had since learning of this site,it seams to fit like a glove,its a chemical that smells like rotting vegetables,it turns to a gas at about body temperature-that would explain how you can iritate people several yards away aswell as why it gets worse as we get hot,it also explains why we cant pinpoint were it comes from,probably every hot area i,e mouth head armpits and groin.In nature it seems to be produced by rotting vegetation,i dont think the body is known to produce it,but its often in bad breath-maybe food rotting between your teeth?i don't now.the only sensible idea i have is maybe we are'nt digesting all our food  properly and it's rotting in our stomach's making dimethyl sulphide which may be excreated through our pores,and breath.I dont know IT JUST SOUNDS SO PROMISING...................

[realitchy]

Hi I did say to you earlier when I joined this post that  steering away from soaps practically stops the PATM but you will see some people scratch face and and others ocasionally rubbing eyes my only thought on this is that we have some microscopic mite that we have and when we use soaps and deoerants the bugs want to leave our bodies therefore must fly through the air being attracted to heat of other people no matter how far away they are.I believe this because I have been showering for months now just water dont get me wrong these symptoms wont go away.But then I went and used a medical shampoo yesterday just to try and if it would help but did it heck I had this guy sneezing at least twenty metres away around a corner (he wasnt even in my vision).
THese bugs are lethal when they want to go for something they will get there in a split second I dread to think what they might be doing if they are invading insides of our bodies.
The only way to control this is stay away from perfumed soaps in fact dont even use non perfumed soaps this makes it feel as if something is wriggling on your face and I think it must do so to these other people too as they will wipe there there face the same as me .
Im going to ask my doctor to try scabies treatments to see if this will help there are a few options 1. Permethrin 2.Neem Oil 3.Lindane if other two treatments dont work dont know if it is available in the uk though has been banned in a few countries.
Give you more info when I try these out...
good luck all

[gazzad]

I nearly got some neem soap for my scalp,ive also tried not using soap but after 3 days my skin gets oily and i get a strong smell,a bit like dirty oily hair,saying that onthe second day after a soapy wash i have a good day then it goes down hill.....

[realitchy]

Me personally I dont think the scalp is the problem it feels as if my face has some sort of bacteria growing on it not oily more a kind of grimey feeling and I do tend to get alot ouse sticking to my face from my bed sheets which makes me think this coating on my face is the reason all ouse is sticking to me.Try dipping your head in a sink of cold water and it will feel great.Going try this more often at least four times a day to see if it comes up with good results.Soaps are a definite no no for me just now until I get rid of this feeling on my face.

[itchynoses]

So is anyone in a relationship since getting patm - b/c i get so depressed as in the past I have had lots of girlfriends and now with this stupid patm i feel so bad that I could not even face having a girlfriend!!!! any one same as me here, i get so lonely.

[gazzad]

Hi itchy,i've never had a relationship for at least 13 years,I made the decission to stop going out with my friends as well,[until i'de sorted this problem],I guess i jumped before i was pushed.you do get very lonely and depressed so it's not something i'de recommend try and keep some friends at least.

[positivemind]

Let us keep the spirits high, try to find a solution by different means and more important, try being POSITIVE! We will find a solution one day definitely! Let us all work towards it. We will not relax until we get answers.

[gazzad]

Agreed !!!!!!!

[Mrdaniel]

Hey!Has anybody found out something new?IIm losing hope.So tired of just watching all opportunities pass me by.I have tryed to keep positive for few years now,but still at the same point than 3-4 years ago.i havent closed opportunitie that i have somekind of mild tmau.I know that i have somekind of bad smell atleast when im stressed.i think its somekind of gas coming from me.Thanks to everyone here,lets keep posting!

[gazzad]

yer mild tma is definately a possibility,its a very powerful chemical i'm sure could cause our symptom's.iff any one on this site has been tested for tmau could they post,I for one would be interested in there story....thanks

[wtf_04]

I have a similar issue.  I currently have a girlfriend but feel really terrible when I see her sneeze, cough/react to me but I know isolating myself won't help.
We are all trying very hard to figure this thing out, as are you I'm sure, so you are actually being quite responsible!!
Also, I have to think that I have increased the quality of her life overall despite causing her to cough/sneeze.
Hope that was helpful!

[wtf_04]

Just an update on my doctor situation.  I have not gotten any answers from any doctors and it seems like most of  you have discovered this on your own.

I have seen my primary care physician, dermatologist, allergist and an ENT (ear, nose and throat).  None of them knew what I was talking about and all admitted that they never heard of such a thing but my ENT doctor actually took some personal responsibility and said he would look into it a bit more. So we'll see.

[Brassrat]

Normally when I take a shower in the morning, I'm in there for like 10-15 minutes under the water, but today, I noticed that the water was brown for some reason so I thought to myself, "damn this water can't be good for my health so I need to take as quick a shower as possible."

I must have taken the quickest shower I've ever taken, maybe a 2 minute shower but I was still thorough with the shampooing/soaping and also the rinsing but I was just very fast and efficient instead of my usual slow routine.

What I noticed so far at work is that I sweat way less which means I had almost no body odor at least so far.  Normally due to my sweating, I start to get a BO and also PATM but so far no one has coughed and I can't detect a BO, I actually still smell like soap and shampoo.

My theory is that my old showering routine of standing under the water for 10-15 minutes caused my skin to absorb a lot of water and chemicals from the soap/shampoo and it would be released throughout the day through excess sweating.  By showering for only 2 minutes today I guess my skin didn't have time to absorb as much chemicals and water as it usually does.

It has only been a few hours but I'm going to try this 2 minute showering routine again even when my water isn't "brown".

[BerthaJ]

Don't worry.  I know what the deal is now for sure.  Have always known I guess.

Been self-experimenting again and have thrown myself back into it big time. Now it's BB AND PATM.  Hadn't had the latter for over 3 years.  Will do what I've done in past and overcome by being a bigger witch to it than it is to me.  And nobody can stop God.

Take my advice and stay away from places where people or groups don't like you or want to control or manipulate or dominate you, whether for social, employment, political, commercial, entertainment, religious or personal purposes.  It isn't worth it.  

But thanks for attempting to want to try to help me.  But I'll be OK.  I always am in the end.

[junc]

Sorry to hear about that. What happened?
If it`s caused by something you took then it may just be temporary.
I also experienced the worst reactions when I took a combo of natural anti-bacs `bout 3 yrs. ago but my PATM returned to it`s normal bad level once I stopped.

[BerthaJ]

Yes.  Took some new things trying to "cure" it which didn't work well.  Have gone back to one of my old effective routines.  already getting a little better.  We need a team of specialists to test and monitor us.  This touch and go can be harmful.  Thanks for your support.

[BerthaJ]

If I understood you correctly, you mentioned having bad reactions when having stopped taking natural anti-bacterials some years ago.  Well, it's all over different forums how people with this or related diseases actually took Rx real antibacterial meds and were OK while taken them only to relapse, and in some cases, get worse when treatment was over.  So don't be surprised at what happened in your case.

I say I'm not going to experiment any more, but how can one NOT try a promising new approach which may not just help manage the symptoms, but may even "cure" them? It is so hard to live with all these restrictions, sacrifices and 'natural' lifestyle expenses that it is easy to succumb to anything that holds promise of a "regular" life.  Well, I'm not quitting.  That's for sure.

[junc]

Yes, it`s really hard to live with this condition & as long as there`s no help from the medical community we will be forced to do our own experiments. I`ve also taken a lot of dangerous stuff in trying to cure it & it left my liver & kidney a little bit battered.I`ve been taking the safer route since last year.

If you don`t mind, can you share with us what you took so we can cross it out from our list.

Thanks.

[huihui11]

I have PATM after I took diet pills.  I think there are some medicine from diet pills cause this problem.  I tried a lot of theories, like took zinc pills, anti- bacterias, and body and colon cleaner, but none of them worked. I have also tried a lot of theories people mentioned before, like changed my shower gel, and drinking salt water, apple cider vinegar, eating a lot of fruit. I just saw no progress.   One day, I happened to read one of the people's comments in this forum, and I tried the way she said, guess what , my PATM was gone. The way she said was super simple, it sort of physiologic way. We care about people's reactions too much which makes our problem worse. I am a college student, when I had PATM, I preferred to die rather than  go to the classes. people near my seat sneezed all the time, I couldn't pay attention to the teachers,all the time i hoped was time flying and my class could over quickly.  I was too worry about this. So one day I went to class, I began to change my thought of people's reaction. When people were sneezing, I thought that " go ahead to sneeze, more louder more better, I hope every body in the class know that i was the freak who make them allergic."  I used to want to hide the fact and afraid of that people will find out it was me , but from that day on I  didn't want to hide anymore. People please go ahead talked about me, go ahead be allergic to me because I didn't care.I tried all I can do, and it was not my fault. If  you are allergic to be, feel free to.  If you want to sneeze, please sneeze loudly, so that everyone in the class will hear you. After I changed my thought, my situation became better, less and less people sneezed in class, some people still are allergic to me, but I feel much better now. I thought in my case, physiology was most part of my problem. I hope my post will help you guys.  Maybe We just care too much.  It is time to let it go. Free our souls.

[gazzad]

I wish i could be like you,! some people are too sensitive though.....and i'me one of them.

[saph_3]

Hi I came across this site yesterday and it's made me feel alot better for I also have this PATM...I also think its TMAU - Fish odour syndrome, though I don't smell like fish, but I tend to smell like whatever i've eaten that day or the day before, but with a much stronger and foul smell.

I've been experiencing this for the last 4 years, and even though i know it's hard to be around me, i think the people experiencing our symptoms are going through alot more psychologically.

It is hard to study and to work but i have alot of respect for those who carry on and do it.

I'm being put on anti-depressants to try and help my thoughts and moods, and hopefully this will help since stress is a big factor.

If anyone finds a cure that works for sure please post it up.

I saw a girls post that says kinesiology helped her, and it could be the ileocecal valve that needs to be paid attention to.

[BerthaJ]

junc- I would avoid all multi-enzyme supplements unless having a very large meal.  With veggies or fruit, I think the protease eats away at my stomach lining because there is no target food for it.  I won't take Betaine HCL except with a multi vitamin-mineral supplement, and only at or UNDER 25mg., and ONLY once in a while.  (I benefit best from alphagalactosidase or legumase type enzymes.)  I now avoid relying on PPI's so much.  I'll no longer take very LARGE doses of probioctics; a small yogurt, or one regular capsule probiotic every other day or two is better for me.  And I won't ever take any so-called natural antibiotics anymore since they seem to work while I'm on them, but make symptoms worse once they're stopped, requiring a rebuilding up of my natural defenses once again!  I wouldn't use tea tree anything IN my mouth or internally.  And I must avoid letting my electrolytes and minerals get out of balance.  No more unscientific experimenting and only highly recommended and proven supplements!  Yet, I'll be careful of ALL supplements!!!

However, I do still stick by my five observations mentioned a while back.  I am already doing a bit better.  (Less negative reactions from people.)  It's just so hard restricting myself to such a tight and expensive natural routine.

In my case, I think I have an enzyme problem.... Partly genetic, and partly from foods not having the proper natural enzymes in them due to cooking or overheating, microwave ovens, or other ways.

I'll soon be OK again, though.  God bless us all !!!

[gazzad]

hi,i've just read your post in another thread,it does sound like you have the same as us,i'ts not in our head this thing but i bet a lot of us suffer anxiety and depression,I have for years ! but it's a symptom of having patm not the cause......I never had any problems pre PATM and i bet you never.

[HelplessHopeful]

Sorry cursedtoo for the delay in response. I had traveled for a while just trying to keep my good spirits. Actually I still am suffering just like everyone. After I fought all these years to get this test done, and detected something, I now have to fight to get treatment. My doctor doesn't think this test proves anything. He doesn't believe in PATM. He only did the test because I keep complaining about BB, which he denies as well, unlike everyone else around me. He gave me just regular antibiotics for a week and of course that did work a bit then stopped. I am 95% better compared to before. But I know that if these bacteria are to blame, a strong antibiotic is needed for a sutained period, because this is a chronic disease. But my doc doesn't agree, and says he won't do the test any more even to see if the bacteria is gone. So I am back to square 1, with my test results in hands and no good treatment. This is really frustrating guys don't you think. It's like some curse. You suffer and no one believes you, and whenever you're close to finding something feewwww, it slips away. Enoug to drive someone crazy. But we all know we're not cursed. So to stay in good spirits I travel with my family, to try to find some happiness. Of course I dare not take an airplane, before they think the plane have cases of Swine Flu and quarantine it somewhere. It's crazy man. But I keep laughing, singing to myself, watching comedy, going to the beach, playing frisbee golf, basket ball, tennis, etc... Of course PATM follows me around and every now and then I hear someone cough or sneeze, and like the other post said, I don't care. Also I am now on a diet of raw fruits and veggies. I rarely stay home now and life is good.. Sometimes I just ignore PATM, as I know there's nothing to be done in the moment. Let's keep looking. We'll find something some day. Good luck everyone. Much Love to Everyone.

[HelplessHopeful]

Also taking Vitamin B complex (B1 through 12) Vit C, D in addition to the fruit/veggie diet. I also take Chelated Magnesium. These help with the associated stress. If you don't believe in taking vitamins I understand. But this works for me. Also I have REAL conversations with God. Just Praying deal deeply. (remember BerthaJ's 5 steps). I also run twice weekly and swim a half a mile/week. I drink 3 liters of water a day, and eat diner before 7. Earlier than 7 is best if you can. The rest of my diet is regular but no dairy products except for yogurt, and right now I feel much better. But, of course there is room for improvement, I still have the sour taste in my mouth (BB) and the body odor once in a while. So I don't let my guard down. Take care everyone. I will be traveling again soon. Keep faith, and keep up the good work. We'll all be cured some day. Remember to eat healthy, exercise, laugh, sleep, drink plenty of water, and pray.

[opop]

This may sound crazy to some of you who really have this problem but not everyone on this board is genuine. I have certain symptoms like the electrical current\ magnetic "phenomena" that makes some people cough; somewhat similar to what Helpless Hopeful was talking about however when I talk about it with certain people, I call it an odor because I feel they'll better understand and/or accept it. There may be a slight (if any) odor associated with it but I know it's not anything too bad, I've asked people I trust (do not believe they just said "no" to spare my feelings either). I noticed a change (the change I saw started a while back) on this board after I alerted certain people to this website (whether advertantly ((through conversation)) or through no fault of my own besides not practicing better computer security). It's not anything big, just a slight change where I see some people may be trying to get you (me) to think certain things that may not be necessarily true but makes the situation look worse than it is because they think it may push you over or are doing it for various other reasons. Some of you may think it's paranoia but believe me when I say some people will go to extremes when they think they have your mind in a certain place (trying to kick you when you're down). To those of you, and you know who you are, I see your comments and I know the ones you write and the ones that are from people who are actually experiencing this. May God forgive you and grant you "true" understanding. You will most likely have something more to get you through the day other than me in a little while.

[opop]

The world is surrounded by magnetic fields: some generated by the earth's magnetism, others generated by solar storms and changes in weather. Magnetic fields are also created by electrical devices (e.g. motors, televisions, office equipment). Even the human body produces a subtle magnetic fields generated by chemical reaction within cells and ionic currents of the nervous system. An electromagnetic field (EMF) is composed of both an electric and a magnetic field. The electric field is due to the presence of charged particles (such as electrons) and the magnetic field is due to the movement of the charged particles (such as an electron current). Recently, scientist discover that external magnetic fields affect the body's functioning in both positive and negative ways. The observation of this led to the establishment of magnetic field therapy.

http://library.thinkquest.org/24206/therapies/magnetic-field_therapy.html

http://www.naturalwellnessdoctor.com/images/upload_brochures_pdf/Body_Magnetic_Field.pdf

I'd advise you to do more research on the human body's magnetic field.

[BerthaJ]

Wow, opop......  Thanks for the warning!   That's why I shoot back at this thing with prayer.  I Know THAT works!!!  Thanks for truly caring. Best wishes and God bless you.

[lookingforhelp709]

I also avoid dairy now, but still have patm symptoms though not as bad.  Everyone should look up Crohn's or celiac and gluten.  Maybe we have a mild crohn's/celiac condition and that is why certain foods increase symptoms.  I avoid the usual ulcer-aggrevating foods such as tomato, chocolate, fried foods, dairy - now I am going to try to avoid gluten.  Microwaved foods are worse for some reason.  I also avoid caffeine.  I saw on the other post someone was found to have vitamin D deficiency.  A calcium & vit D supplement might help (calcium carbonate also helps with ammonia, but don't take right before or after eating as to not interfere with digestion).  I think the underlying condition such as gluten intolerance has helped infections take hold such as h pylori.  I still take milk thistle to help the liver wtih the toxins, I take Flaxseed oil and probiotics.  If I have a flair up I use Glutamine to help heal, only for 2-3 days then wait a few weeks.  I agree that all the so called natural antibiotics don't work for long and are dangerous to your liver - the underlying condition has to be treated.  I am also going to avoid sugar especially corn syrup, as mentioned on the crohn's/celiac/IBD posts.  I wish some of our old friends would post and let us know how they are doing!  I have seen so many of the same things I have experienced, and yes sometimes you just have to think "go ahead and sneeze your head off!"  and remind yourself that there are worse things than a sneeze.

[itchynoses]

Hey there HH thanks for the post.

I have started taking L-Glutamine and Pea Protein, however I noticed straight away I have had an increase in reactions. It is probably the protein so I will have to take the L-Glut on its own (why only take L-Glut for a few days? is it only good for short term?).

I got a result back that I don't have the Celiac gene which means that wheat should be ok and generally I find it more tolerable than other foods. I reactions to quite a few strange items such as; eggplant, eggs (if not cooked completely), certain oils (canola), sometimes tomato and pasta can be bad - it seems to vary so I really can't pinpoint certain trigger foods.

any way keep it real and try and ignore those reactions.

Itchy

[HelplessHopeful]

I'm back from vacation trip. Had a lot of fun!
It seems everyone here is on the right track. Everything that is being reported here is real: EMFs (I still get zapped once in a while), proteins, prayers, fasting, all of these impact PATM in some way. We just need to find out exactly how, and why. Easier said than done, but with faith we'll get somewhere.
Thanks all, and good to see the posts are still going strong. For all you students out there, school starts soon, so remember don't sweat thre small stuff. Be strong, focus on studying, and be happy. You are not alone, we're here.

[ribeyes]

A woman on a bad breath forum went on a raw food diet for 3 months to cure her BB and other things, and she said she also cured her PATM. She was cured for a month, no reaction from anyone whatsoever, then a family member visited her and stayed at her place for a few weeks so she went off the diet to be a good host, started eating the standard american diet and her PATM came back after a week.  

I don't know what we can conclude from her experience. She told me she ate: bananas, avocados, grapes, plums, etc. Basicly nothing but fruits for 3 months. There are several forums about raw food diets and some people on those forums have had pretty miraculous recoveries from various ailments, i don't doubt raw food diet can work for PATM too. Personally, i don't think i could do it, it's too strict a diet.

[ribeyes]

It's me again. On a completely different topic, i'd like to hear from people who are living a 'normal' life: by that i mean, someone who has a steady job, is in a long-term relationship, has a social life, etc. Well, my question is:  can someone with PATM live a happy/normal life despite this affliction?  Can it be done?  Is it possible to hold an office job?  I live a very reclusive life but would like to start living again, do i have a chance?

[thenomad]

I contracted this condition in the mid-1990's, so I have had it a while. I think I lead a fairly normal life. I am especially careful about affecting others, esp. in work situations. I feel like people at work are somewhat 'captive audience' because they have little choice to be there, so I am extra careful. I make sure I only work where I can have my own office. I avoid conferences and other situations where many people are together in a room.

For going to college, I chose an online program so I would not have to sit in a crowded classroom and affect others.

As for a long-term relationship, I am not sure it's possible with this condition. Some others do understand, but it gets taxing for them after a while. My best thought would be a relationship between 2 people who have this condition. Oddly, I've never met anyone else in person that I knew had it. Only online. Of course I might have met another sufferer and simply not known about it.

[itchynoses]

Hey Ribeyes

Yeah I have no idea if this is a diet thing.. might be worth trying the fruit only diet. Just on your point about the office job, I have been working in the same office for five years and you do have to very careful around people. I try my best to keep to myself but urgent meetings where everyone has to cram into an unbooked meeting room *****!
Totally agree on the relationship thing..  once you are aware of the affect on others how do you have a relationship with someone... knowing you are making them sneeze etc... so hard. Yeah so maybe we need to get some PATM'ers to hook up to see what happens,... we might react to each other or neutralise each other ha ha.
Any way
catch ya dude (we should have a chat on msn some time)

[Memo1987]

Hi there, i am a PATM sufferer since i was 14 years old. My life was terrible in school. however, i tried very hard to forget about it. I completed my studies went to uni, got an engineering degree. Moreover, i am married 8 months ago... So guys dont be sad WE can live a happy life. JUST forget about this thing , u'l see that it will not affect your life.

Believe me PATM sufferers LIVE UR LIFE NORMALLY

[ribeyes]

@Memo1987,

Thank you, i needed to hear that. Have you told your wife/husband about your problem, if not is he/she aware of it?

[Memo1987]

Hi ribeyes,

no i did not tell my wife about the problem,  and she is not aware of it. I can see her havin a itchey nose and other symptoms very rarely.

In the first few months of my marriage,  i was afraid that the PATM could effect my life , and my wife will try to avoid sittin with me. But wat i found out that is the opposite. My wife always want to sit next to me and the life is normal.

So  guys enjoy ur selves , and remember that other peoples reactions is not our fault.

[itchynoses]

Thanks memo, I have noticed that friends and family and close collegues don't seem to react as much as strangers... its as if they build up an immunity to us.

On the other side, people I call hyper-sensas, the people who seem to react almost violently like they are going to have heart attack don't seem to build up an immunity at all. I have noticed that these people often have underlying problems of their own such as i know one guy as Asthma, another food allergies, etc. So it could be these people have lower immune systems or other problems which causes them to be more sensitive and unable to build up immunity.

Another thing is that some people hide there reactions, i.e. they make very subtle reactions and try and hide the fact they are reaction whether this is just trying to make us feel better or just plain good manners I am not sure... I suspect a mix of both.

The condition certainly varies a lot in its severity and at first I thought that was really bad b/c how can you prove to a doc unless its constant. However one of the guys here posted that its a good thing b/c we can have periods of time when the reactions are not so bad, which i realized is a good thing. So if people are reacting to PATM and they are mild reactions like the slight nose rub just relax b/c no one will know it's you.

At the moment for me my PATM is real bad, probably up to 9 on the scale out of 10, I get coughing, the nose rubbing, rubbing eyes, scratching etc... its absolutely crazy and I am pretty sure some people know its me. I am trying so hard to get it down a couple of levels but I just don't know how to do it b/c it could be anything, diet, stress, environment??? who knows???

Guys please populate an online spreadsheet that i have set up on google docs below, just remember to put http in front of the link (and convert the DOT's to .) due the forum limitations:


spreadsheets DOT google *******/ccc?key=0AlfWB_E5Rwb3dHNTck1nSWFKM0ZyRzgxYUZXaUxfVHc&hl=en

[itchynoses]

where the link shows the stars replace that with a dot

[ribeyes]

Itchy, some people mentionned Grapefruit seed extract helping, did you ever try that?

Personally, i could easily live with PATM if i could lower its severity. There's a big difference between the occasional nose scratching and severe multiple coughing, you know?  If only we could find something that helps, i'm not even asking for a cure. I hate coughing reactions sooo much.

[ribeyes]

I'm currently on a very experimental diet, i've cut out all carbs from my diet, i eat nothing but meat/eggs/fish. I've heard of people curing their candida symptoms that way, tho i have no idea if PATM is related in any way to candida. Like i said, this is a random test, beats not trying anything and it keeps me sane. I will try that for a couple months.

[gazzad]

um........my message has been deleted as spam,i take it its to fill in a spreadsheet i'm struggling to find that as well,WILL KEEP TRYING. congratulations memo 1987 on your marriage..........

[sneezeeffect]

hey check this out. i just found this post on yahoo answers..

http://*****************/question/index?qid=20090316092147AAt1mrc

here's what the guy said if u dont wanna click on it...

First I am a 22 year old guy in a nursing school. My first semester was fine and didnt have any issues with my course mates, had the freshest breath and could even talk face to face with students and tuitors without any problem for hours but then toward the end of the semester i started to develope bad breath even after I have brushed my teeth. It was so annoying that I will brush my teeth for 3 minutes and immediately i get to school and start a conversation people will start moving backwards or holding their nose. I was really worry about that because with a nice tic tac the problem will be solved and I will be back with fresh breath. Then I took a zoloft for depression and some antibiotic for the bad breath hoping to cure it but rather aggravated the issue. The stinky breath started eminating from my nose which made life a hell for me. I didnt no how bad it was but I could smell a whole room. As soon as I entered the class people will start coughing, holding their noses, breathing very hard that i could here. Then nobody wanted to sit beside me in class and I mean it was very heartbreaking. I believed the same people I had fun with during the first semester probably were saying this guy doesnt brush his teeth or is not hygeinic whatever. I was very depressed to the point that I had to drop out from school because I couldnt take the emberassment no more, EVen at clinicals the nurse instead of showing me around and teaching me whats goes on in a real hospital will instead take my fellow students and leave me behingd. No nurse wanted to even get 3 feet to me. I had comtemplated sucide a couple times but I am the oldest son of my mom and she loves me so much that I coundnt imagine what she will go through after she finds me dead so I was still hoping for a cure. Before that I had tested positive for H pylori but my GP didnt no more about it so he prescribed to me a biaxin which I think aggravated the bad breath. I then went to see an ENT who said it was coming from my tonsils so I had a tonsilectomy which cost $8000 and still didnt have any cure. AT this point I had droped out of school, getting ready to quit my work and totally isolated from the society and spent over $9000 to cure the problem. One day was searching the internet for courses of bad breath and I came across H pylori as a culprit so I visited a gastroenterologist, had another H pylori test, tested positive again and I was prescribed PREVPAC AND PRILOSEC which I was suppose to take for aout 16 days. After taking the medication for about 5 days I started seeing some improvement on my breath. On the sixth day I went to work had a full conversation with out any reactions and the people who use to give me those reaction even got closer to my face and started talking to me like before I had the problem. Finally I have the cure and I think reason why most people dont get cured early is because the doctors dont know the real cause of the bad breath. If my GP had prescribed the right medication for me when I first tested positve for H pylori I will still be in school by now trying to complete my nursing degree but instead I dropped out leaving an impression to my fellow classmates and tuitors like am some stinky boy who stinks up the whole class and now he is gone we are much better off but that is life I have registered with another school and hoping to go back to school in April
THANK YOU GUYS AND I WISH YOU ALL WELL IN UR SEARCH FOR CURE AND I HOPE YOU FIND IT SOON. GOD BLESS U ALL


any thoughts? have anyone tried prevpac + prilosec combined?????


-sneeze

[itchynoses]

OMG i am going to look that stuff up and see if i can get on it!!!!!!

[Mrdaniel]

sounds interesting.tell us rest if it have some effeckt on patm!Hoping the best...

[0rganique]

I have had this condition off and on for years and finally I noticed something very interesting in the last few days...the last month has been the perfect oppurtunity for patm to rear its ugly head and thank goodness there's a forum like this one for people like us because after reading everyone else's experience it has opened my eyes at least on a few things...first of all I don't have a clue to the cause but at least I am certain that for me it's my skin flakes and dandruf from my scalp making people dry cough, sneeze, and scratch there noses...I have been using one brand of soap (dr. bronners-no they don;t pay me one cent) for about 6-7 years and this last month I've been on the road AND under ridiculopus amounts of stresses and I didn;t have the same soap...also the weather conditions are perfect for me to have this terribly dry flaky skin on my arms and my scalp has had pretty bad dandruff my whole life...I was on a road trip with my grandma who coughed and sneezed the entire 600 mile trip (I feel so terrible as anyone who lives with this knows) then when we got to my uncle's he started to cough and sneeze and so did his girlfriend...I went south so it was alot hotter and dryer and I got alot of sun and made me sweat alot...so itook the grey hound bus back and this is where I sealed the deal in my mind...everytimei ran my fingers through my hair at least 3 people would cough...the guy in front of me the guy right next to me and the woman right next to him across the aisle but close to me...also I have the same cloginess in one nostril and some of the syptomos i give people ONLY when I first wake up

[ribeyes]

it has nothing to do with skin flakes, if only it was that simple. We have a TMAU-like condition except it's odorless. We're emiting a gaz when digesting food because there's something (like Choline) that our liver can't metabolize, and the bi-product is an irritant to other people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimethylaminuria

thankfully, our condition is odorless.

[gazzad]

I wouldnt count anything out,in fact ive always had a suspision my scalp dermetitis and patm are connected somehow,they appeared around the same time for me,i'me trying a new experiment this is day 2 and my nose is quite unblocked this morning which is great,but not unusual when i try something new,only to come back with a vengence when i start getting excited.the improvement could be 1 of 2 things i've stopped using anti-persperant because summers over and i'me using alcohol again for the winter or hopefully its a new thing i'me trying with anti-fungals  

[sniffniff]

Its me "sniffniff" random 16 year old from Ireland....

I agree with Gazzad, I wouldn't count anything out, but I find anti-perspirant helps. I have tried many deodrants and anti-perspirants and most don't make any difference to the way people react, but I since using the Lynx Dry Africa 24 hour Anti-Perspirant spray less people have reactions. Without it, in school, the whole class of 24 have reactions, using it only 4-5 have sniffing reactions. But with it, I find the odd person gets thickly coughs and sneeze more but most people have no reactions any more. Not so great but its better than all 24 having reactions. It's weird! But it really helps me. It's down to a level that is manageable and wouldn't create concern. Try it. I keep searching for a cure though. Haven't posted comment in such a long time, probably because I haven't found a cure, only post when I find something that may help (and to show I'm still here of course).

[sniffniff]

I know it sounds silly but that particular lynx "dry" anti-antiperspirant does help me, maybe because I sweat less and so only the very sensitive have reactions. Just trying to contribute, what helps me may help others.

[Pariah]

Couldn't you attempt to rule out the scalp flakes theory by just wearing a cap for a few days to class or wherever and seeing if the condition lessens?  Seems like solid flakes would not pass through a cap as easily as say a gas would pass through fabric.

[rickster__]

I have read all your comments on this forum and several others.
this has been my plague for the last 6 years and I could fill a novel with the things I've tried to eliminate this problem and there is many, many things I could post but I will get to the point. I think there is a initial problem and the powerfull mind can make it worse.  I do think this is a baterial over growth and I've taken several proboitcs to fix the issue but they seemed to not work but that is what will fix the issue.
Make sure it has acidophlius and I think most important that the capsuls are enteric coated and hopefully for you this will kill the bacteria further on in the digestive system and replace with the good that will not cause your symptoms.

[gazzad]

hi,been using a little anti-fungal shampoo mixed in my bodywash for nearly a week,not a cure i'me afraid but i'll give it a bit longer,one thing i have noticed cos ive used no anti-persperant for a week is my under arm wettness is slightly sticky and smells very strongly of ONIONS, also iff you put it on your tongue it dries your mouth out and catches in your throught making you cough.I also put a sweat pad on for 2 days to catch some and spray it with different compounds to see what works best on it,nothing helped or covered it over! in fact strong cologne only masked it 5 minutes before the onion like smell worked its way through, the pads  smell subsides when the pad is cool and dry then you spray it even with alcohol and it smells stronger again. I think when its hot its the wettness of the body as well as the heat that makes reactions stronger,and when your nervous.I also think it burns your eyes a little making them sore,similar to a onion i suppose......Is that normal sweat? i don't know ive had this so long i've forgot.

[Kim3232]

Peter 4:12
Hebrews 12: 5-7
James 14
James 9-10
James  4:4
Hebrews 10: 32-33

[Brassrat]

I found a series of things that eliminate my PATM pretty much 80% - 90% which I think is within the range of a "normal" person but it is a pretty strict set of things I have to do.

Showering:
Make sure to use some kind of wash cloth when showering.  I used to just use my hands but I was watching a comedy special and the comedian was making a joke about his showering habits and said something along the lines of "do you wash your car with your bare hands?  why do people wash their bodies with their bare hands".  It made a lot of sense to me so I've been using cotton socks as wash cloths since special lufas are too expensive for me.  I also wash my homemade washcloths regularly so bacteria doesn't build up on them.  The other thing I do now is I shampoo my hair twice concentrating especially on rubbing my scalp (no nails...just the tip of my fingers).

Clothing, Towels, and Bedding:
About a month ago, I decided it was time to buy some new cloths.  I went to Walmart and got a few sets of cloths, but I decided I might as well get some new towels and new bed sheets/pillow cases.  I also got a vynil bed cover to separate my bed from my sheets in case there were bacteria living on my bed.  You can get some pretty inexpensive stuff at Walmart which is good in my book.  I've always washed my cloths and towels after every use but I decided i'd try washing my sheets and pillow cases at least twice a week so I've been doing that now.  The body produces oils and proteins that bacteria lives on so the main goal is just to wash these oils and bacteria out of the cloths regularly.

Food:
I used to eat a lot of fruit and vegetables because I was trying to stay on a low choline diet but it didn't seem to help.  One morning I decided to eat leftover dinner from the night before which was rice and bbq chicken.  That morning at work, I noticed that my stomach felt "satisfied" and it almost felt cool.  Normally when I eat something like a banana and apple in the morning, my body feels hot and sweaty and my stomach feels acidic but for some reason the rice and chicken really seemed to make my stomach feel at ease.  At work, the PATM reactions seemed much less also.  Since then, for about a month now, I've pretty much been eating a rice and chicken diet.  What I do is I make a lot of rice and a few servings of chicken at night.  Then for each meal I can microwave the leftovers which saves time.  I use a little bit of Master Original BBQ sauce for flavor.  The best way to prepare the chicken is 400 degrees for about 25 minutes in an oven so that you don't need to use much oil.  I was thinking about why rice and chicken was working for me and I realized it was most likely the rice that had a calming effect on my stomach.  I read that complex carbohydrates like rice and potatoes has an effect of lowering the stomach acidity.  If I could eat only rice I would but I need some flavor so that is why I add a bit of chicken and the chicken doesn't seem to have much if any bad effect.

The other day, I decided to replace the bbq chicken with a more pungent side dish wich was a Korean dish of potatoes, onions, soy sauce, sesame oil, and salt.  The next day at work, my PATM was back at almost 100% force which told me that onions and soy sauce were definately things I should try to cut out of my diet which kind of sux since some of my favorite foods have those things.

I don't know if these steps will work for anyone else but they have made my life so that I can go out in public and get almost no coughs, sneezes, throat clearing, sniffles, eye/nose rubbing which I used to get a lot of.

[itchynoses]

The comment has been made before that smokers seem to have a worse reaction around us then other people but I have also noticed people with:

Asthma

also have a worse reaction than other people, often resorting to coughing quickly and then applying their asthma pump for relief.

Has anyone got the H. Pylori test? I believe it's stomach/gut related b/c all my colonoscopy's have been clear. The test is a basic breath test and is conclusive and having food in your stomach seems to make a difference. Also an hour and 40 minutes after eating, i assume when the food moves into the next section i have really bad reactions around me for a couple of minutes.

Anyone else noticed these observations???

[publicnuisance]

I have found this community of fellow PATM sufferers and read many hours of posts and I am sure I also have this.
I can not believe this is happening to me. I have only had it for a short period of time but I am going mad. It seems like my attention to things is so impecable that I cant stand it.

   My question is has anyone here been a heavy drinker,  and stopped drinking?  
I recently got a DUII and am in diversion class and I think the acute alcohol syndrome and protraced alchohol syndrome could be partly to blame.
for me at least because of the digestive system goes haywire after you stop drinking , when you have been drinking for months or years.  My first guess is that PATM is Candida and killing the candida will stopped the allergic reactions. If you google candida diet you also might agree.     I think I will be on here more to fight this thing.

[BerthaJ]

It's gone again. (About 90%-95%, or one day to one-half day out of every ten.)  Just wanted to let people know.  Bye, BerthaJ.

[ribeyes]

Finally found a sympathetic doctor, he *thinks* PATMs are caused by a fungal infection in the ear/nose/throat area. People are getting irritated by a fungi that we expelled in our breath, oral or nasal. He told me that's his best guess and that he could be wrong.

[junc]

What kind of tests is he going to give you?

I hope he also give you an oral chroma or even a hydrogen breath test cuz we also can`t ignore the possibility that a gas (coming from the stomach) is causing this.

I wish you luck. I know how hard it is to find a doctor that`s willing to help with this unknown condition.

[healtheworld]

Responding to sneeze effect.First start with Chlorofresh Internal deodorant by Natures Way; put 2 tblsp in distilled h20. Please visit www.herbdoc.com  Sounds like you need to do some internal cleansing and please get rid of the medicine!! It takes away from the natural flora in you body, especially antibiotics, causing bad breathe and a host of other things. In the meantime go to wholefoods and buy this supplement called "Green Vibrance". It has over 25 billion proboitics and so many vitamins. Just mix it with a shake everyday! Guarantee you will feel and see results! P.S. Please don't kill yourself over bad breathe! Any ailment on this earth can be healed thru proper holistic steps and patience!
                                                                         PEACE!

[healtheworld]

Thanks realitchy! Wow! Very informative onfo! I wish I had of known this before a friend of mines mother passed from cancer. I cannot believe the world could all be living if they had this simple concoction. But the pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be on their yachts vacationing! So sad that greed has led this world into destruction! Thank you so much for sharing info!!

[publicnuisance]

Ok I just finished an experiment.    I went on a anti-candida diet, probiotic and anti-fungal intake for 10-12 days.
after about 6 days and my tounge was healthy -n- pink and the allergic reactions where all but gone.... occasional sniffle (probably not me causing it).  I was very relieved!!!     then on day 10 I ate some colby cheese to see if anything would happen in the next couple of days.   But I thought colby cheese wouldnt be enough to set it off so I ate a bunch a things that are taboo on the diet on day 12.... I ate 2 doughnuts, clubhouse sandwhich, french fries, baked potato and couple mini candy bars.  Now its day 13 and I had turkey sandwhich on white bread w/ cheese and mayo,  and a cup of coffee w/ milk and creamer.      Guess what?     I am having allergic reations in people.   And I am guessing that is only from the cheese,  I think in a couple of days the foods I ate yesterday and today are going to set if off something fierce.  And  not to mention I have mucus generating more often all the sudden and my tounge seems to be turning more shade of white.   I am thinking that this thing is linked to leaky gut syndrome and the food are leaking into bloodstream and coming out in sweat and breath.   Because when I tend to work up a sweat the allergic reations seem to increase.    Or I am crazy!!!!!   I will post again in a day or two I have a meeting with a group and the first two times in my meeting I was causing many allergic reactions. My third meeting was after being on the anti-candida diet for 8 days and the allergic reactions were almost gone just a couple sniffles.....(possibly sick people).   Well tomarrow I have a meeting and I will find out at by the reactions I get.          This    FU@%ing  thing is madnnning!!!!!!!!!!


AND MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY THINK I AM CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!                    A
At least I have this forum!!!

[ribeyes]

Great post, i also think PATM is candida-related.  Can you tell me what kind of meat did you eat on your anti-candida diet?  

Personally, i can easily cut out sweets, processed food, refined carbs from my diet but i cannot live without meat, i eat pork and beef everyday, is that ok?

[publicnuisance]

Yeah.   Beef is ok.  Pork... dont really know too much.     And meats should be free range organic chicken, grass fed organic beef and mercury free fish and seafood.   Ive realized this is really expensive to afford these types of foods, but you cant put a price on your heath.  And its only for 3-6 month diet depending on how aggressive you are with anti-fungals, probiotics, exercise and distilled h20 intake. There are many anti-candida diet webpages.  I found one that is good       google "candidablog.com"
It is a research and compile process.

About my previous post..... As I suspected a noticeable increase in the reactions are happening on the transit and etc. I have my class tonight so I will post later this evening.                 We are going to conquer this thing!!!

[ribeyes]

Having tried various diets, i find that the least carbs i eat, the better i do. You mentionned cheese in your post, i think cheese might actually be fine since it's all fat and proteins, no carbs. Right now my diet is high in meat (no carbs in meat) and a moderate amount of veggies (very low in carbs). All my candida symptoms are clearing except one... PATM :(   Maybe it will be the last symptoms to go and i have to be patient.

[itchynoses]

TRIETHANOLAMINE

Guys, check out the chemical above, apparently it causes IGE reaction sneezing, the chemical is used in soaps etc.

Definately worth checking out.

[realitchy]

Giving this vicks first defence a go bought nasal spray to that may help remove unwanted germs. Also got a protective hand foam which has aloe vera it can protect you from unwanted germs like staph , e-coli ,salmonella ,Im using it on face(Keeping away from eyes)  and hair 4 or five times a day .Also will get vicks vitality booster  to help my immune.Will do this treatment for two weeks or so I'll let you know the result.

[arck]

I discovered this discussion a few months ago when I first started experiencing symptoms of PATM.  I have some other milder symptoms also, coated tongue and red scalp.  

I am hoping to figure out if any of us share common characteristics and hopefully figure out what we can do to improve our situations.

For instance, I am 6' 3.5" tall and weigh 260 pounds.  My BMI is over 30 and categorizes me as being obese.  Is anyone else willing to share their height and weight?

[publicnuisance]

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/massage1.php

you gotta check this out and repot back to the page.   I defiatley will.

[itchynoses]

Hey bud

I am just under weight on the BMI and would consider myself as slim so i don't think it has anything to do with weight.

Does any one here eat oats? or tried excluding oats from their diet?

Also another very random point, I was once stabbed by my sister with a graphite pacer (those plastic pens with thin leads/graphite in them that click down) and now have a tiny piece of graphite stuck in my hand from years ago - i really should get it out but i thought maybe patm has been caused by it. Anyone else been stabbed by a pacer? ha ha

[newbie3]

Hi all,

I'm new here and glad I found this forum.  I'm also new to this condition maybe just a few months when I started noticing the reactions of people around me.  Everything that was said here fits.  But when I recall really hard people were already clearing their throats around me a couple of years before.  It's just now that I noticed the coughing and sneezing.  I commute to work and ride a van full of people.  Just imagine most of them coughing and sneezing and I'm the only one not.  I do notice that it usually happens when I'm heated up and this happens of course because I'm feeling self conscious now around people.  This condition is really starting to get me down but I'm glad to realize I'm not crazy after all.  Thanks for this forum!  It somehow lifted some of the burden of being alone in this.  Will be watching it and contributing also when I can.  

[ribeyes]

You're right, the coughing and sneezing didn't start for me til roughly a year after people started scratching their nose. I think that's the case for most people.

[publicnuisance]

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/massage1.php

really check this out!!!!    ive been doing it everyday one in the mornin, bfore i eat and while laying in bed before sleep and i noticed that it has really reduced the reactions.  still there is some people but not everyone.   dont know what this would mean but it could possibly be a ICVS issue.   i am thinking about going to a kinesioligist to get looked at .  just seeing what happens when i stimulate my ICV for a while

[newbie3]

Thanks ribeyes for the info.  Yes for me it all started with clearing their throats and scratching their noses.  I thought at first it could be my shampoo so I tried several ones even organic ones because I remember having an itchy red scalp before (4 or 5 months ago) and it smells easily when in heat. My scalp doesn't itch anymore now and I put up my hair on a bun to keep me cool and for sure it wouldn't smell but the coughing is worse now than before.  So I tried several body soaps. No effect.  Then I thought it could be our detergent so I bought some new clothes, didn't wash it first and wore it to work.  I was hopeful with this because the coughing seemed to lessen but probably only because the blouse I bought was airy and cool.  Also I decided it's just body odor that I couldn't smell but others do.  So I'm taking Body Mint right now since Nov 21, last Saturday.  Well my sweat is fresher than ever before.  I also tried the other new blouse yesterday and didn't wash it first.  What do you know, the coughing and sneezing is still there when I walk the streets, in the van, etc. This really can drive a person insane. People at work, people in the streets, people in the van, I think even my sister is allergic with me although my other sister isn't.  This is so weird.  This is all I can contribute for now.  I read somewhere here about dairy so I'll try giving up that first and see if it helps but it's unfair because I've been taking dairy before and nothing was wrong with me.  So what changed?  All I know is I gained maybe 5 pounds within the last 6 months and I changed companies 6 months ago.  Well I'm not as happy as before in my old company but I wonder if being a little depressed got something to do with it and worsens it.  Well I'll keep experimenting.  I'll also try lessening my usage of soap and use water more if it helps.  

[publicnuisance]

   Hey,  hows it goin.   you get anything back from the doctor about the ear, throat, nose idea he was saying?   I remember the old user fecalbodyodor found the cure in kinesiology and massaging the ICV to open and close cured her so I started doing that and my PATM is now only active when I eat alot of sugar and/or my body temperature is up enough to make me break a sweat.
   No one knows the extent of PATM, so this thing could be many different types and different things going on. I really hope that something is uncovered about this or a breakthru in medicle science involving PATM happens.

   This condition is amazingly good and bad!   I feel like we are an ultra rare group of people to have something that no one really knows about and there is no known cure presently. Although I really want my non PATM life back, this thing has significantly changed my life and I almost feel like a completely different person for the better. I am still slowly changing and I am becoming more in touch with god.  I once felt I was very close to god, and I lost that feeling. I am glad this condition is helping me be more in touch with the lord and all that is holy. I am praying for myself and alot more people these days, all of you incuding.   stick in there everyone.  hope you all have a pleasent holiday season.   : )

[Hopethisgoesaway]

Hi all,

I haven't posted in a while. But I'm pretty much lost all hope. Lately all I do is cry. This condition has stopped me from doing so much in my life and at this point I just don't see the point of continuing to live like this. Does anyone want to share how they even get throught the day. By the way I've been living with this for about 3years.

[itchynoses]

Hang in there mate.... I had a training session at work, and i stuffed up by arriving late and you guessed it, all the seats were taken at the back. So can you imagine sitting up the front, right near the trainer... it was certainly one of my tough days.

What helps me get through the day is the people that know i cause them to have some sort of reaction (unspoken of course) and they try their hardest not to react around me.

I have a couple of people I chat with at work often and they barely show any reactions, or basically hold back or very subtly reactions, etc. I have even noticed one or two which are fine when chatting but after they have walked off I can hear them coughing in the distance. These people keep me sane.

I don't know what to do either - it's such a difficult thing b/c we can't escape the reactions unless we are on our own and like really ***** if you can join in with people. However, we are lucky we have the internet and should continue to support each other.

take it easy guys.

feel free to email david_41225 at hot mail *******

[newbie3]

I can only imagine a little what you're going through.  I mean I've only had this condition for months and it's getting me soo down already. Just going outside of the house and going to work is a challenge, and you had it for three years. I'm starting to avoid my friends already because the last time they saw me I wasn't like this yet.   I'm kinda afraid that this will be a long-term thing for me also since most of you guys here are that way.  I think what gets me through it now is the people here in the forum, that there are those still trying to fight or solve this.  So I'm still hopeful.  Another thing I do when I commute is I wear earphones and blast loud music in my ears.  That drowns out most of the coughing/sneezing noise  It helps a little.  I just imagine I'm this tragic heroine in a movie that everybody loathes.  I have a question in my mind though.  I wonder if we're all immune to each other.

[arck]

Here are my possible causes for PATM:
1) Taking amoxicillin (antibiotic)
2) Mold problem at home
3) Large amounts of stress at work and at home.
4) Fatty liver
5) Overweight

Here are my symptoms besides regular PATM:
1) pink/red stain in shower/tub/sink
2) mild/moderate depression
3) coated tongue
4) red scalp
5) light yellow phlegm

Here are my causes/symptoms:
1) weak immune system

When I first started experiencing PATM, I thought it was caused by the mold.  Lately I think it is a out of control gut bacteria that is the cause.

I deal with the stress with exercise, healthier diet, religion, and sometimes simply forgetting about PATM.

Remember people itch/scratch/sneeze/cough on their own.  Each occurrence can't always be our fault.

[itchynoses]

My response:

Here are my possible causes for PATM:
1) Taking amoxicillin (antibiotic) - AGREED, I HAVE TAKEN THIS AND OTHERS
2) Mold problem at home - YEP, HAD MOLD AT MY OLD PLACE
3) Large amounts of stress at work and at home. - YEP VERY STRESSED AT WORK
4) Fatty liver ?
5) Overweight NO

Here are my symptoms besides regular PATM:
1) pink/red stain in shower/tub/sink - YEP HAVE NOTICED THIS TOO (PINK SLIMELY STUFF)
2) mild/moderate depression YEP
3) coated tongue YEP
4) red scalp ?
5) light yellow phlegm ?

Could it be a golden staff infection in the gut???

[itchynoses]

Finding that could shed light on "golden staph", candida and allergies
MEDIA RELEASE: 01 Jul 2008


Dr Cindy MaRecent scientific findings explain why patients with a rare immunodeficiency disorder are unusually susceptible to certain common infections. By revealing the exact molecular mechanisms involved, they also give us clues as to why some ‘healthy’ people are more prone to these infections than others, and suggest potential treatments.

People with Hyper IgE Syndrome, or ‘Job’s Syndrome’, suffer from devastating complications of skin, gut and lung infections caused by candida albicans and Staphylococcus aureus. We all have these fungi and bacteria on our skin, but healthy immune systems largely keep them at bay.

Late last year, research groups in Japan, Europe and the United States discovered that Hyper IgE Syndrome is caused by a mutation in the Stat3 gene. Although the gene was identified, the mechanisms leading to illness were not determined.

The Stat3 finding led Scientists at Sydney’s Garvan Institute of Medical Research and Canberra’s John Curtin School of Medical Research to speculate that patients with Job’s syndrome lack a subset of immune cells known as Th17 cells.

Laboratory tests conducted by Dr Cindy Ma, a postdoctoral researcher at Garvan, and Drs Gary Chew and Nicholas Simpson at the John Curtin School confirmed the hypothesis, leading to publication of a paper online today in the Journal of Experimental Medicine.

“We’ve established that patients with Hyper IgE Syndrome are deficient in a particular subset of immune cells that are important in protecting the normal population against candidal and staphylococcal infections,” said Dr Stuart Tangye, head of Garvan’s Immunobiology research group. “Now that we understand the mechanisms behind the illness, it should not take long to develop a treatment. There is also the prospect of treating other diseases which cause susceptibility to candida.”

Dr Matthew Cook, Immunologist at Canberra Hospital, medical researcher at John Curtin and together with Stuart Tangye, co-senior author on the project, has much first-hand experience with Hyper IgE syndrome. Of the five patients examined in this study, three came from his clinic. “While Job’s syndrome is a very rare disease – roughly one in 500,000 – for individuals affected, the consequences are devastating, and until now we have had very little idea about how to manage the complications. Our findings offer the potential of rational and effective treatment in the future.”

“People with Job’s syndrome suffer from a narrow spectrum of infections that can be life-threatening, including lung infections that result in chronic lung damage. They are also susceptible to skeletal disorders including osteoporosis and frequent bone fractures. There are currently about 12 people diagnosed with the syndrome in Australia and around 80 being treated by the National Institutes of Health in the U.S.”

“Since Job’s syndrome is characterised by very high levels of IgE, the  antibodies crucial for allergic responses, understanding the connection between the absence of Th17 immune cells and presence of IgE is a high priority for future research that might shed light on other common disorders.”