You also have the patm reaction most us us have right? how bad are those reactions. Maybe if they are really bad and almost everyone shows reaction including the watery eyes or vomiting like reactions then you might just have the worst level of patm and this might somehow have something to do with or it is something else maybe? or that something else maybe is patm too. because there seems to be different cases with the same coughing reactions.
Your the first one i heard about cars tapping their horns. and also when you said that reactions also occur in recorded tv shows. that's really strange.
What PatmDies said could very well explain why some people do not react. People who have a different look at you or in general a different mindset sort of, think differently, more openly or positive, open minded and or know you, feel confortable with you, like friends and family thus do not have to fear you or can trust you instead of other people who see you with a sad appearance.
...this might sound crazy but im not good at explaining things in words, maybe someone knows what i mean ;)
I agree with you Titanium on @PatmDies, you can't say things like that, even though you want everyone to do this to help. I also like and agree on the positive thinking, better said believing/feeling.
I THIk what is inside of us are fungi (or whaterever these beasts are) overpowering our energy fields. Somehow they manage to overpower us due to weak health, stressful life, broken chakra alignments. weak goodbacterias from our previous lifestyles. That's how I can explain how sudden claiming of your body or calming of your body..by saying i am so beautiful,..everythings alright (which really works for me but i think depends on the extend of these beasts' (not sure if fungi but probably) colony in our body) So if its too much of a colony, some cleansing might hellp. I was thinking why do you have to keep on saying positive things just to get your energy fields in control. Because these beasts have been too lucky enough to overpower our energy from previous years of overlooking our health. (it's pure science,everything is made of atom, and everything has energy field) Not sure yet if energy field is same as magnetic field. If it is then big magnets can be a real cure to us. We need to claim our energy fields.
A day prior PatmDies post I went for my psychologists consultation. She almost said the same thing. I don't feel normal, adequate to others people needs. I feel judge and restricted because my parents raised me that way.
I grew up with disapproval as well. There's a lot of things that can make those feelings happen, everyone has their backstory... she was explaining this was the cause of everyone's patm root being different. Some may have had religious problems, so they think that it's the cause. Some may have sexuality problems, hygien problems, etc.
As PatmDies said, and this part I agree very much with is that we hate ourselves. For a long time, unconsciouly I hated my self. I do have bad thoughts all time, hell, I even searched gore videos and news during a bad time. This all started after 2 years of having 'PATM'. I even daydreamed about bad stuff happening.
Back then I was an optimist girl, wasn't constantly anxious or was thinking about what everyone thought of me all the time.
I'm still not convinced of this being the cause but I'm cutting off those thoughts, I'm refusing to look at liveleak and sites like that. I'm not that person.
Anyway...I was reading an unrelated topic at reddit and someone said this:
"I personally believe that the future is not fixed and as a collective we navigate through the potentials moment by moment. I also believe that the quantum 'observer effect' is part of what helps steer our course into the future. What we believe, what we expect, how we feel, and how positive or negative we are all influence the future frequency that we 'tune into'.
I know this may all sound like garbage to some, but after much reading on the subject it is how I believe it to work. That is why they say our thoughts create our reality.So that all being said giving energy and attention to this particular outcome is not something I want to do.
I would also like to caution others against this as well. When small groups of people get together and focus their energy and attention in very positive ways it can have a world wide impact. Positive emotions are much more powerful than negative ones and we all seem to be sharing a universal consciousness on some level."
It's possible we got so intriged by the nose rubs that we focused too much thought of it...changing everything. What do you all think?
and they say Oxygen has energy field on its own. probably that's why deep breathing helps..it weakens beasts energy field...lolz.
This is our difference to people with systemic fungi infection (which is rampant due to devilish food around, im a victim too who wouldnt be)......Somehow there was something in us... that our energy field is not that strong for them to supercede us to easily. Probably too much negative thinker from before..or not taking care of self..We all have different stories to tell. I think being broken hearted has a lot to do with it as well. I've know someone who had patm who had a broken heart soon before having these conundrum. AS Manly p hall says (although im not 100 percent advocating his videos) each organ in our body has energy field. So probably these fungi has taken energy field of some of our bodies.. like ovaries, intestines. and oropharynx (which for chakra...the orange chakra,, the yellow (for digestive system) and the blue chakra for throat and breathing)
That's why supplements, diet, cleansing, chakra meditations, are a way to heal to get back to our own energy field on track and permanently and by that time..not hanving to do positive thinking all the time. So for the meantime,,while doing some undoing...claiming your energy field time and again .somehow weakens them Its the power of the mind that we have can make them weak. Again Claim your energy field. Love your self and oppurtunities in a life of happiness.Dont let these beasts claim your energy field.
IF WE connect what all of us are sayinh here ..all the principles we have in mind...we all come in UNISON. Just that each of us are all focus on each point of view..not realizng that everything we say here has interconnection. May it be psychological, scientific, spiritual, supernatural. It all blends down to one.
Thanks again @grateful2011. I have started my day one of oil Pulling today.
@WorsethanJob, I agree with what you said. Lets all come together again and end patm now guys. Lets aim to find a cure, before 2014 is over. If we unite and fight against patm and not against each other I believe, it is doable. I have no idea of how we would do that, however, I think we have a lot of smart people here in this forum who can make our wishes come true. I am learning to be a little more optimistic! :)
i think all of us was suffering before each one of us start to discover PATM
so what happen we started to suffer then our energy field started to change people around the same way it do to water then people started to react this symptoms or they did it because they thought we was doing it intentionally so they thought we are evil and want to hurt them this way to they start to react violently to word us
not this only we can also attract them to word us i once was reading about a woman who is suffering our problem and the more she don't was here coworker around her office the more they keep gathering in the morning or at break in front of her office and start making conversations
it's like we make people do what we don't so if this woman don't wat this people around her office the brain focus on the people and on the office and her energy make people gather around her office
the same thing when we don't want people react bad we make them react bad
so maybe what we need is to first energy cleanse our selfs and then thin about what we want to happen not about what we don't want to happen
english is not my first language so i hope you understand what i am saying
GirlA---you just brought up two important points that I am trying to look into more..."it"/the orgie is most likely some kind of fungus that like a vampire uses energy (electricity in environment that gets in our bodies plus our "energy" fields, like you say) to sustain itself, and yes,oxygen acts as some sort of "ground" (like the grounding wire in a three-pronged socket) to neutralize it to some extent.
"it" causes minute tremors throughout my body, i can feel feel them and they cause enough of a disturbance to set off the smoke detectors (one chirp each time, almost just like a jolt being delivered to it) and all of the dogs in the neighborhood...I used a grounding mat last night (wired into the grounding hole in socket) and I could literally feel the tremors becoming less and the detectors/dogs were ALOT calmer too (not completely gone yet)
so my theory is that if i keep drawing away some of this electrical charge that the fungus feeds off of and craves, i can weaken it...still need to kill it with some other means, may not be enough just to restrict it's electrical intake, but it will help, I'm hoping
I agree the explanation a combination of psychological, spiritual, science and the supernatual...
And I agree toogenius - the worst coughing I ever got from people are when I've had the thought clear and loud 'please don't cough please don't cough'. That's why I kinda figured out pretty early not to be thinking that.
Titanium, the reddit article is interesting.. I think we're getting more 'intuitive and spiritual these days, somehow not to our advantage.
The thing with positive thinking, if I try hard I'll have two bad, depressed days after a positive 'loving everything' day as if to balance all the chemicals out - sometimes I think thoughts are sadly out of my control.
My head is way too chaotic to read something about positive thinking and my life's suddenly fine. I think certain artisan personality types lack the visual right side brain to really do all that positive thinking and have it work. Otherwise this could be a walk in the park.
.. that's why diet, exercise, sun,... good physical lifestyle.
I just really hope it's about all of us having that significant lifestyle change... one event happens to all of us and we just NEVER think about this crap again.
In the meantime, it's learning to deal with things
I actually worry a lot more about people looking at me like i'm a nervous wreck as much as the coughing these days :( I worry heads will follow where I walk etc.
He mentions certain people do it loudly to annoy musicians, just because it's quiet, that coughs double at certain concerts at certain times.. and that musicians get disturbed by it.
I think it would be a good thing to pose this to him in the right way... e.g do you think they're trying to disturb the musicians, what's in a cough?
A lot of people are being bothered by this 'coughing in public' phenomena...
And then we finally mention, a lot of us - sensitive types literally can't live because of it...
The objective reality of this world is solely produced by the human imagination, in which all things exist.
Search on youtube for:
Just Believe! Your Faith Is Stronger Than You Think (law of attraction)
I'm sure you have all seen people who strongly believe in something and are capable of accomplishing great things.
Instead of the usual try to act kindly to people that react, "give a little love" do small positive things like saying 'bless you' or help them with something small when possible, greet people, keep the door open for people, have a smile on your face and see if anything changes or if anyone react differently afterwards. Or if you dare maybe even try this:
search on youtube for: Amazing free hugs Belgium 2013.
"If you give a little love you can a little love of your own"
"Well if you are (what you love)
And you do (what you love)
I will always be the sun and moon to you
And if you share (with your heart)
Yeah, you give (with your heart)
What you share with the world is what it keeps of you"
“No one has yet realized the wealth of sympathy, the kindness, and generosity hidden in the soul of a child. The effort of every true education should be to unlock that treasure.”
- Emma Goldman
I agree, positive thinking won't change us in a day. It takes time, we're (at least i'm) addicted and used to bad thoughts, bad vibe, depressed mood...
There's another study which says that if you can stick with an activy for 21 days is easier to become a habit. We must keep trying, whatever anyone thinks it's necessary for getting rid of PATm for at least 21 days
Yes, I was in the worse time of my life.
I developed bad breath, people in college reacted and changed towards me.
My SO at the time couldn't smell a thing but it all started with trust issues.
I stoped trusting this person, we were fighting almost everyday.
My SO was killing me slowly and I became very, very angry and bitter.
I couldn't forget nor forgive the things done.
I became depressed, the world became grey and all I could see was the worst in everything. I projected the mistrust to everyone I knew, my parents, family, college friends. I felt deeply betrayed, I'm not even exagerating.
Because of this i couldn't trust people when they said my breath got better again...so yeah, I didn't have PATM when I was optimist despite my mild anxiety.
Just having some weird discoveries on my own progress. Whenever i say to myself "everything is alright!" the scartchingof nose.the cough..suddenly stops.. But other positive help talk desn't realy help much...as much as when i say "everything is alright!" Really the e......just starting the e....in my mind..stops the reaction. Hope it continues that way cause i am enjoying it.Really.. Thank You God. Anyone who can try it too..and check it out..share your experience..pleeeasse.. Im starting to get goose bumps about it.
having PATM and saying every thing is alright is just like having cancer and saying every thing is alright it will not cure the cancer but will just make you feel better
and because the energy we make is controlled by our brained then this change the energy field
the problem here is you are not working on the root of the problem but you are trying to work on the symptoms
i am sure there was something in your life that made you suffer or at least anxious before PATM started to happen this is what you need to work on then when you are really in peace and happy the energy you make will change and the symptoms people have around you will disappear
what i realize today is PATM is not a disease but it's just our feelings translated into energy and affecting people around us
now i realize that PATM can be a bless or can be a curse because of you really have good peaceful feeling people we really love you for no apparent reason
keep saying every thing is alright and i challenge you it will not work for long time because inside of you you know that every thing is not alright, you will not be able to lie to your self for long time
if you don't believe me tell me why you think that every thing is alright?
when i take vitamin suplymint vegetable fruts patm going more crazy but now i stop all this drama i taking sigrate alcohal (alcohol) i enjoy my self w..t ...f patm reduice now very few people only cough bcoz i take posatabeli now when people cough i laugh i making funny issu patm bcoz it helps to forgot me patm i am going to out side where people are more some people coughing but i am not taking serousely if we fair our mind viberation going sensetive and it catch other people mind think posative cough sound take easy try to understand b coz my engllish is very poor
When you dont want people react bad they react bad?too..this patm are like intrusive thoughts...when u want a thought to ,,disapear" it will became more powerfull but if dont care to much about it the thought will go away.
Eva- good way! but if we finnaly geting attention,what is the next step? Seems nobody want to reveal himself( look about fb, even with alias accounts we are paranoids).
ofcourse you are correct....It is what it is. helping with the symptoms...But just surpruse how it can really change your present isituation when in front of other people... considering that there are other positive self talk you can use..but this works best. im just giving hints to help us make it through..but ofcourse the healing is undoing and cleaning of our bodies..probably of fungus..And ive read from a yoga book that doing yoga (using right breathing and yoga position) can be equivalent to cleaning of water to the nostrils .. .which can be sometime s dangerous . I always have a feeling that some fluid gets left out in the sinusus when i do sinus cleaning............I yoga or deep breathing wil clean our bodies. but again time is a factor..if you want to really heal the source. Its undoing that takes time...and discipline.
anyone heard of magnetic therapy..they use magnets to treat body even kill fungus of the feet.(but for fungus i think they demagnetize the water) So i guess thats explain all the magnetic field that these fungi emits at long distance. probably notreally magnetic field but somehow they are somewhat similar/Some energy fields since they get affected with magnetic therapy..whytever kind of energetic field they release we must get our energy filed s stronger..probably thats why positive thinking works in instant... it strengthens our energy fields... and weakens the oppurtunistic fields of the beasts
@toogenius "you will not be able to lie to your self for long time
if you don't believe me tell me why you think that every thing is alright?"
Yes i also can't lie to my self, but accepting things as they are and be happy is also a good thing and maybe even a necessary thing to do. Telling why you think everything is alright is like forcing yourself to see everything negative.
I understand what you say and agree on finding the thing that caused it. I don't have a worst time in my life like some of you, but maybe the cause is anxiety. I do not have patm now but still think it might be because of some anxiety.
Hi everyone. I live in Brazil and we have that kind of forum there. I was ill for 4 years now I feel like a good human. I was translating that thread about remedy to understand. Still I want to thank patmdies for helping my life very much. I never think about it that way and now it leaves my life. I m grateful
a mouth ago i have an operation in my nose,doctor cut a big rhinopolyp which can increase the nasal secretion in my nose, the nasal secretion may cause bacteria infection, after operation i used nasal spray drug to antibacteria, and my PATM symptom disappeared,people around me became normal.i should clear some dirty things from my nose everyday or PATM re-emerged,so i think PATM is a diease relate to nose ,the bacterias are the initial point.
Exactly about intrusive thoughts. I notice whenever I'm thinking 'things are getting intense in the atmosphere here'... the atmosphere boils up visibly around me. Like my fear translates. As if the thought about anything to do with PATM, creates the evironment.. so yeah.
As for our anonymity - if this researcher did the research from an outsider's perspective - it just takes the right scientist who would gain credibility from saying something about this... they would fingers crossed keep us anonymous..
I think it's crucial we all remain anonymous, even if it was strictly related to illness or something completely out of our control. I think it needs to be other people who are talking about it on the TV etc, the researchers.
We have one person already interested vaguely in the phenomena, the coughing sounds at random directed at musicians... I really think this is our road?
I never had any point where I experienced anything traumatic, normal friends throughout, no family problems (except for the problems caused by PATM), so no problems even during the first two years of reactions..
Would you guys say you were slightly anxious and distanced though?
Just a tip. Being positive all the time sometimes is very tiring to the nerves.. A great support of taking omega3 and/or dha supplements..will make it easier to be positive and happy. Also vitamin b complex helps to in helping us not to be sleepy and depress. Happy positive thinking guys.. Keep it up. We all are here for support and company. Love you all.
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