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shots/autisim?
could i get everyones thoughts on this topic please???:-)
what do does everyone think about there child and the required shots??? I have read alot about them being linked to autisim and ppl saying the shots should be spread out.
My son had his first batch at 2 months.. and he is suppose to go in dec 15th (4months) for the second batch then again at 6 months..
what do does everyone think about there child and the required shots??? I have read alot about them being linked to autisim and ppl saying the shots should be spread out.
My son had his first batch at 2 months.. and he is suppose to go in dec 15th (4months) for the second batch then again at 6 months..
Okay so I did find this article:
The president is correct that human cell lines were used in vaccine development; however, they were not embryonic cells, but fetal cells.
Specifically, many vaccines used today are derived from tissues of two fetuses aborted in the 1960s -- a male, aged 14 weeks, and a female, aged 3 months. They are known as MRC-5 and Wi-38 respectively, named for the research companies that successfully developed the cell lines: Wistar (a research center at the University of Pennsylvania) and the Medical Research Council in London. Vaccines developed from these cell lines include measles, chickenpox, and hepatitis A. (See sidebar article, "Human cells and vaccines"). For example, the rubella vaccine used in the U.S. is cultured on lung tissue from Wi-38.
Important to remember is that new vaccines are not made on new tissue from new abortions. Wi-38 and MRC-5 still provide the base. In fact, the Centers for Disease Control maintain these cell lines are so stable that "no new fetal tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or in the future." (CDC June 2000 fact sheet)
The president is correct that human cell lines were used in vaccine development; however, they were not embryonic cells, but fetal cells.
Specifically, many vaccines used today are derived from tissues of two fetuses aborted in the 1960s -- a male, aged 14 weeks, and a female, aged 3 months. They are known as MRC-5 and Wi-38 respectively, named for the research companies that successfully developed the cell lines: Wistar (a research center at the University of Pennsylvania) and the Medical Research Council in London. Vaccines developed from these cell lines include measles, chickenpox, and hepatitis A. (See sidebar article, "Human cells and vaccines"). For example, the rubella vaccine used in the U.S. is cultured on lung tissue from Wi-38.
Important to remember is that new vaccines are not made on new tissue from new abortions. Wi-38 and MRC-5 still provide the base. In fact, the Centers for Disease Control maintain these cell lines are so stable that "no new fetal tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or in the future." (CDC June 2000 fact sheet)
WhitneyLauren, well that's a relief!!! I thought I saw an article somewhere about them using it in vaccines for children. I should try to see if I can find that article again. I vaccinate my children anyway, but it was bothersome to me personally.
JoyRenee-
Your last post prompted me to do a little research.... I cannot find any information linking the use of embryonic stem cells and vaccines in children. From what I understand, from my research & questioning my mother who is a doctor, embryonic stem cells are only used in research at this point. In fact, everything involving embryonic stem cells is still in the research phase...
Your last post prompted me to do a little research.... I cannot find any information linking the use of embryonic stem cells and vaccines in children. From what I understand, from my research & questioning my mother who is a doctor, embryonic stem cells are only used in research at this point. In fact, everything involving embryonic stem cells is still in the research phase...
Kirby, I have to add something. I have to add that my main problem with vaccines is that they use stell cells from embryos (basically they make babies in a petri dish and then will use their stem cells--- there are other ways of getting stem cells but that is one way) to help create the vaccines. I'm not sure which ones use embryonic stem cells, but it definitely bothers me from a moral standpoint.
No p[roblem...I hope that I didn't come across as rude either in my last post! After I sent it I was like....YIKES! But then figured I could clarify after I needed too! :o) Plus I'm hormonal and never know how things come out! LOL
Well, this is a highly controversial subject but I do not feel that shots are the cause for autism. Now there is a whole spectrum of autism diagnoses which didn't exist years ago. In my opinion, more children are being diagnosed because of a heightened awareness AND a broader definition of what autism is.
Kelly : thanks for clearing that up - I misunderstood what you were saying (and wanted to clarify in case anyone else misinterpreted too)
Actually I am aware of the modes of transmission, which primarily include unprotected sex, sharing needles, getting tatoos, sharing razors, if Mom is a carrier, etc.....It's not spread thru casual contact.
I was tested for it as I'm an RN and was tested for everything at the beginning of my pregnancy due to my work environment and coming into contact with so many different diseases/conditions. I'm not a carrier nor do I have active Hep B.
I'm aware that not only inmates carry it...I was just using it as an example and I'm not saying that I will never get him vaccinated against it, I just don't feel that he needs it at 2 days old......I prefer to wait a few months. It's just my personal opinion and I was in no way trying to advise against it for anyone else.
I was tested for it as I'm an RN and was tested for everything at the beginning of my pregnancy due to my work environment and coming into contact with so many different diseases/conditions. I'm not a carrier nor do I have active Hep B.
I'm aware that not only inmates carry it...I was just using it as an example and I'm not saying that I will never get him vaccinated against it, I just don't feel that he needs it at 2 days old......I prefer to wait a few months. It's just my personal opinion and I was in no way trying to advise against it for anyone else.
From the research I have done i am going to split up the MMR vaccine. The research i have read and watche don tv genereally links the rise in autism to when they started doing the 3 in 1 vaccines. At first I thought it was all just hype till i really started looking into it. and lately the findings have been enough for me to choose this method. I however don't agree with waiting until they are 2 to start vaccines (which is one theory) or not vaccinating them at all. they should all get vaccines.
The good news is that they are also finding methods that in some cases (but not all) are reversing the autism symptoms.
There was a little boy around here that was a lively little boy, talking and walking and it was exactly 3 weeks after a shot (he was around 15 months i think) he stoppped talking, and wouldn't make eye contact and was diagnosed with severe autism. The did a detox program with him, had chiroptactic treatments and follows a strict diet an he now has no signs of autism...he didn't speak for 1 1/2 years.
The good news is that they are also finding methods that in some cases (but not all) are reversing the autism symptoms.
There was a little boy around here that was a lively little boy, talking and walking and it was exactly 3 weeks after a shot (he was around 15 months i think) he stoppped talking, and wouldn't make eye contact and was diagnosed with severe autism. The did a detox program with him, had chiroptactic treatments and follows a strict diet an he now has no signs of autism...he didn't speak for 1 1/2 years.
i didn't read the other posts, but i asked my doctor this same question today when skye went for her 2month shots. she said they are completely safe and they haven't used mercury in vaccinations for years (which many say is what could be linked to autism). also she said that she has seen far less infant deaths since the increase in vaccinations. and she mentioned there is no evidence that autism is linked to vaccinations...i've heard both arguments. either way, we have no choice but to get them because schools in my area require them...and since your area is close to my area, that may be your case also :-(
I don't believe children get autism from the shots. They no longer use mercury in the shots (ask first, though, because there are a few doctors who DO). If every child got vaccinated they'd all have autism if this were the case. Something else is also causing autism.
My girls have both been vaccinated and are completely up-to-date with their shots. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them. Their speech is a lot more clear than other children their age, they are incredibly intelligent (always above average), very social and empathetic to others, etc., etc.
I would rather my children live through a little ***** and a little fever than get rubella or lock-jaw and die. Even chicken pox can kill a child. It's not common, of course, because most children are vaccinated.
My girls have both been vaccinated and are completely up-to-date with their shots. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them. Their speech is a lot more clear than other children their age, they are incredibly intelligent (always above average), very social and empathetic to others, etc., etc.
I would rather my children live through a little ***** and a little fever than get rubella or lock-jaw and die. Even chicken pox can kill a child. It's not common, of course, because most children are vaccinated.
There is a lot of controversy going on linking vaccines and autism. I, for one, don't believe it. Does that mean it's not true? No ...it certainly could be. Does that mean I won't vaccinate my children? Hell no! My babies are getting the immunizations they need ...this may sound 'harsh', but I'd rather have an autistic child than one who died from measles!
I do like the idea of spreading the immunizations out just a little more. The thought of overloading a little one's body with all those vaccines at once seems like too much to me.
I do like the idea of spreading the immunizations out just a little more. The thought of overloading a little one's body with all those vaccines at once seems like too much to me.
I was under the impression that the scientists were linking the mercury used to preserve shots to autism. However they have stopped using the metal so I have no clue as to any other such linkage. I know that my nutritionist has warned that I eat absolutely no fish during this pregnancy because one just can't trust what comes out of the ocean anymore. For example, there is a place in the ocean where every bit of trash goes. It is a massive trash pit- miles of plastic and other junk. Anyway they are finding the fish are swallowing this plastic and getting eaten by us. So now, we are essentially eating plastic and poisoning ourselves with BPA. It is also my understanding that there is a link between BPA and Autism.
Also, I have a girlfriend whose son has PDD- NOS (like my son), which is in the Austim spectrum.. Her doctor can pinpoint the exact time when her son was exposed to mercury during pregnancy (she has rh factor and was receiving the shots) to when her sons frontal lobe was developing (the area affected by PDD- NOS). This was in 1999- and as far as I know they still use mercury to preserve adult shots.
That said, I do think it is very hard on our babies little bodies to get so many shots at once, and I for one will be spreading them out with my next baby.
I have had the immunization discussion several times with my mother, a doctor. She gets extremely frustrated with people who refuse to vaccinate their children. People forget that the diseases they are immunizing for are only not prevalent because of the vaccines. She has a 28 year old patient who got measles as a child. According to her he is brain dead because of the illness....
Also, I have a girlfriend whose son has PDD- NOS (like my son), which is in the Austim spectrum.. Her doctor can pinpoint the exact time when her son was exposed to mercury during pregnancy (she has rh factor and was receiving the shots) to when her sons frontal lobe was developing (the area affected by PDD- NOS). This was in 1999- and as far as I know they still use mercury to preserve adult shots.
That said, I do think it is very hard on our babies little bodies to get so many shots at once, and I for one will be spreading them out with my next baby.
I have had the immunization discussion several times with my mother, a doctor. She gets extremely frustrated with people who refuse to vaccinate their children. People forget that the diseases they are immunizing for are only not prevalent because of the vaccines. She has a 28 year old patient who got measles as a child. According to her he is brain dead because of the illness....
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that the danger and link to autism came from the 3 in 1 vaccines and 4 in 1 vaccines (i.e. Measles, mumps, rubellea - MMR) not so much the quantity given at one time . It is the combo - the extra stuff they put into one shot to make it all effective. That is why they give several at the visits, whereas they used to give 1-2, bu they were combination shots. HTH. and I hope that makes since.
Kelly:
"I KNOW that I'm going to refuse the Hep B vaccine after delivery.....I don't plan on my baby coming into contact with the blood of an inmate, so I feel OK refusing that! "
Clearly, you dont understand the mode of transmission of the Hep B virus. The virus is NOT just present in blood (although it can survive in dry blood on a surface for 1 WEEK) - it is present in other bodily fluids too. Moreover, it is NOT just "inmates" that might carry this virus..... ANYONE can become infected with Hep B and be a carrier. I think this information needed to be clarified.
"I KNOW that I'm going to refuse the Hep B vaccine after delivery.....I don't plan on my baby coming into contact with the blood of an inmate, so I feel OK refusing that! "
Clearly, you dont understand the mode of transmission of the Hep B virus. The virus is NOT just present in blood (although it can survive in dry blood on a surface for 1 WEEK) - it is present in other bodily fluids too. Moreover, it is NOT just "inmates" that might carry this virus..... ANYONE can become infected with Hep B and be a carrier. I think this information needed to be clarified.
There is absolutely no conclusive link between shots and autism. Autism has been increasing throughout the world in recent years INCLUDING 3rd world countries that do NOT give shots. It was also thought there might be a link between autism and a certain mercury compound found in shots but that compound has long since been removed and autism is still on the rise. In any case, talk to your doctor about your concerns and ask for data to back up his/her claims.
I think the fact you were allergic to the MMR shot is another concern altogether and something you DEFINITELY need to make your baby's pediatrician aware of - in a case where an allergic reaction might be a possibility, I believe they can give a smaller dose and monitor baby for any adverse reaction. As Kim says, make sure you express your concerns and worries to the doctor regarding this.
I think the fact you were allergic to the MMR shot is another concern altogether and something you DEFINITELY need to make your baby's pediatrician aware of - in a case where an allergic reaction might be a possibility, I believe they can give a smaller dose and monitor baby for any adverse reaction. As Kim says, make sure you express your concerns and worries to the doctor regarding this.
wow i would be hesitant too. make sure you express your worries and concerns with his doctor!
My son has recieved everything so far... i was just thinking about spreading them out from now on..it seems like a good idea:-)
When i was a baby I had the MMR shot and was allergic..i was hospitalized and almost died..so i am a little hesitant about this shot.
When i was a baby I had the MMR shot and was allergic..i was hospitalized and almost died..so i am a little hesitant about this shot.
they dont know exaclty what causes autism. i vacinated my son because i was vacinated and i plan on my child going to daycare and school. i think parents should vacinate their children so they are not out and about, running the risk of chatching something, and then passing it to my child.
I have a whole book on immunizations and the effects that they may or may not have on children...I have only made it thru the 1st 2 Chapters...(not real exciting...LOL), and as of now I KNOW that I'm going to refuse the Hep B vaccine after delivery.....I don't plan on my baby coming into contact with the blood of an inmate, so I feel OK refusing that! Let me know if you want the name of the book!
My daughter was very hesitant to give my granddaughter her shots too. Her pediatrician wanted to give 5 shots at a time and my daughter allowed 2 at first and then after doing some additional research, she allowed them to do the other 3, but they were about 2 weeks apart. When she took her back for her 4 month shots, she did the same thing and spread them out by 2 weeks.
When my kids were little, I don't remember so many shots, but they have also added so many new immunizations to the list. I think she will have an issue with the MMR shot that is given around 15 months (I think - - that might have changed too). Much of the research seems to be stemmed around that MMR shot, so I will be interested to see what she decides when the time comes.
When my kids were little, I don't remember so many shots, but they have also added so many new immunizations to the list. I think she will have an issue with the MMR shot that is given around 15 months (I think - - that might have changed too). Much of the research seems to be stemmed around that MMR shot, so I will be interested to see what she decides when the time comes.
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