Hi Vsentz
could you explain what you mean by this, not sure what you mean.
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I am soooo sorry to hear your sad news Leigh, take your time with everything and please please dont blame yourself. I posted the above before reading of your loss but do still stand by what I said about Briannesmom`s post, its so sad that people in this day and age are so quick to dispose of an unborn child just "in case" its not perfect... warm wishes and big hug to you Leigh.
"I smoked 20yrs ago but it seemed ok at the time, lets not kid ourselves about the impacts of smoking during gestation. If she can't quit then she needs to terminate. If she can't get by on a better class of meds (for the fetus) or get off the meds, then she needs to terminate. IMO she knows this but is looking for validation that you will not give her because of your steadfast value system..."
I am APPALLED that someone would take such high "moral" ground and post the above! Thank goodness for the voice of reason from the other ladies to this poor lady. Even if one dr thinks its a bad idea, get 2nd and 3rd opinions cos I know of TWO people who were told to terminate as the baby would be deformed etc and refused..then ended up with perfectly healthy babies! I smoked too when I had my son 20yrs ago and although I dont smoke now and think pregnant women shouldnt smoke, my son was fine as are millions of other babies born to smokers, certainly no reason to kill your baby if you cant give up smoking, that is the most disgraceful advise I ever heard!!! You should be ashamed of yourself!
Leigh, take the advise of the ladies who have said dont panic, speak to your dr and get good sound advise...and remember there are blind, deaf, disabled and even one lady I saw on tv who had no arms, have babies and be great moms...where there`s a will theres a way. You go girl!
Sorry to hear your news and it is so devastating. We really do care about eacdhother here and we care about you too. As women we are all here supporting eachother through good and bad and happy and sad. And we're all thinking of you and sharing a little in your grief as only women who know what it is to desperately want, be trying to have a child.
Do your grieving. Give yourself all the time you need. Look after yourself too! Come back and let us know how you're going when you feel up to it. Come back whenever you want or need.
Hugs and warm thoughts.
Sally
I wish I could just reach through this screen and give you a big hug!!
Don't worry too much about what sounds like arguing. Most of us are actually good friends and have supported each other through the ups and downs of fertility/pregnancy...and even other things..But at the end of the day, its not a big deal, just differing opinions. Please don't feel you did anything to cause it.
I do understand how sad and down you are right now. Its probably partly hormonal, and alot of it is just the difficult emotions that come with m/c. After my third one I was in pretty bad shape and saw a therapist to help me cope. It can be really tough. Let yourself feel what you feel, and don't ever let anyone tell you not to. Its a real grieving process for most of us, and its so important to let yourself go through it. I wish I could say something to help you right now, but I know there are probably no words that will make you feel better. Just know that it does get better a little bit each day. And don't be afraid to reach out and ask for support if you feel you need it. Many of us here have been there and understand. Do nice things for yourself...take extra good care of yourself, and know you aren't alone. Hugs to you.
I just can't stop crying. Is it that I am still hormonal, (combined with the situation, of course)? I also hate to see all of you arguing so fiercely. Everyone is entitled to the own opinions, and by my post I opened up that can of worms. I wanted to hear all opinions and experiences. Please try to be kind to each other. I will post again, I am just not up for it right now. I do, however look forward to hearing from everyone and reading your posts. I hope that doesn't sound selfish...I'm sorry if it does. Thank you for sticking with me this far. It has meant a great deal to me. Right now, reading the posts on this forum is all I look forward to. (Yes, as if it isn't obvious, I AM depressed.) Thanks to you all,as always...Leigh
Leigh - I'm so sorry that you're having to go through this - my heart broke for you when Iread your post having been there twice. I just wanted to send lots of encouragement and prayers your way & don't lose hope for next time :-))
Dear Leigh, thank you for informing us. I am so sorry. You must know and believe that this wasn't your time for a pregnancy to happen. Nor, was it your fault in any way. Todays disappointment can be tomorrows opportunity...if you want to try and have a baby. Now's the time to get a clean bill of health and get yourself healthy and prepared...it just wasn't your time, and it's natures way of telling you so. Take good care! We are here for you! Pam
THANK YOU! Your post made me feel better. Leigh
Oh sweetie, I am so very sorry. And no, you are not being irrational. I did the same thing the first time I was told no heartbeat and a D&C was advised. I waited a week or so, had another ultrasound and then made my decision. Its highly unlikely you will have any negative side effects from waiting and getting a second opinion, and retesting can really help deal with the emotional trauma. It helped me not wonder if I or someone else had made a mistake or a misdiagnosis. Please take care, and know we are all here for you if you need us. My heart aches for you right now. Big hugs to you.
They couldn't find a fetal heartbeat, on my belly or transvaginally. We are devastated and going to bed to cry ourselves to sleep. I may stay there for quite a long time. They wanted to schedule a D&C, but I said no, not until we try it all again next week when my normal doc returns. Am I grasping at straws here? They talked to my hubby and he is worried I am not thinking rationally and that I could get an infection with our dead baby inside of me. I don't care...I am waiting until next week for another utrasound with my normal doc. Hubby is being soooo suppurtive, he is just scared of anything happening to me. I'm gonna sign off now. I CAN'T EXPRESS MY/OUR GRATITUDE ENOUGH FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON that took the time to post a comment for me. I am just so overwhelmed right now and need to be with my husband. With heartfelt thanks that have meant so much, Leigh
I hope everything works out THE BEST for you AND your baby. Please keep us posted, please don't listen to ANYONE's advice here, just follow your mother instinct, just listen to your heart, and listen to your doctor. No one has the right to even assume there's something wrong already with that little bundle of joy. So please keep your mind clear, get good medical care and THE BEST OF WISHES to you my dear! =)
Congratulations on that little one and his/her strong mommy.
I second that. I hope all goes well.
Leigh - I'm so happy that today's the big day - we're all praying for you. Update us when you can & remember we're all here to support you - jennifer
I have viruses on my computer, and none of my posts are getting posted, so this will be short. Today is the big day! I am getting "worked in" to the OBGYN's schedule today. Thank you all so very much for all the advice, care, support, and concern. I will let you know how it all goes. I am so excited, yet anxious..I cannot even tell you! Please all take care and I will post if my computer allows. I will find a way somehow to update you all. Again, thank you so much to ALL of you! Leigh
Sandi - I thought you weren't going to argue this anymore. You need to reread my posts big time - Wade only gave the categories of the drugs. These are based on studies - I'll give you the links and journals that he got his information. BTW, pulling meds off the market right before launch happens more times than what's publicly known (info given by hubby of course).
It's ridiculous to assume my husband who's one of the most respected pharmacists in his industry wouldn't know about the data that is 'generated and reported'. Or physicians. As far as your husband's contribution is concerned, again, Wade's not a magician into the impact of the fetus - but guess what - neither are you nor your husband. Or even your shrink. Believe it or not, psychiatrists differ on opinions then if the above statemnt is true.
Wade didn't comment about the addiction of oxycodone. Are you referring to OxyContin btw? Wade told me that the ingredient oxycodone's in many opioid (sp?) narcotics such as Hydrocodone or OxyContin, etc. The list goes on.
Seriously you need to reread my posts from the first. I'm getting tired of arguing this issue but until some true information's presented, I won't back down unfortunately. Will send those links to you if you want (about categories of drugs above for pregnant women).
Girl, my husband would know - ya know he would. Pharmacists like himself know even more about meds than doctors - street, otc and prescribed ones.
What shrink has said that the chemical makeup of oxycodone is the same as heroin/crack? Further, I will argue this because I don't want misinformation floating around there when there are others who read these posts who get the wrong idea
My husband never said what was okay for a fetus or not - you need to reread my post. He only gave out the info he's familiar with and that's the CATEGORY of the drugs. Even pharmacists don't have magical insight.
Wait a minute - he just walked in & laughed when I asked him about the chemical makeup between oxycodone and heroin/crack.
Sandi - not to get rude but have you studied pharmacology? You seem to have a wealth of knowledge about the makeup of these drugs. Dh (pharmacist) is not in right now but when he is, I plan on asking him if crack/heroin has the same chemical makeup as Oxycodone. Right now that sounds ridiculous!
You know I love ya but come on - these statements about drugs sound silly to say the least.
Just a comment on the thread....I don't think anyone is trying to tell Leigh what she should ultimately do. I don't think anyone is trying to say she shouldn't terminate if thats what she ultimately decides. I personally got the impression she wants to have this baby and if that is the case, then seeing Dr.s and specialists are a great idea. They will certainly know more and have more info then any of us will. But Leigh, I will tell you that no matter what your decision is, I know I will support you 100% and I am pretty sure the majority of the other posters will as well. Just wanted to say this, because it sounds like some of the posts are being mistaken as arguments, and I hope it doesn't turn into that. I would hate to see you stay away from here as I can only imagine you must be very frightened right now, and what you most need is support I am sure. Sometimes these posts can be like emails...the words are there but the intent behind them can be so easily mistaken or taken out of context. K, theres my two cents.
Amanda
WOW! I was just trying to help and give some support. I didn't mean to wind anyone up! I'm not against abortion at all. I was just giving some feedback like she asked for. Not to get my head bit off... all I can say is WOW !!!!
Please get all the info before you make a decision. I was watching a Baby Story the other day and a mom on there was diagnosed with breast cancer when she was 3months pregnant and she went through kimo and everything else that goes along with treatment and her baby was just fine... medical science has come so far you'd be amazed at what they can do. I have Hep C and I'm trying to have a baby. My doc said I would be fine. PLEASE DONT GIVE UP. and please stop smoking, think of it as your baby is swimming in a cloud of smoke...also think of the crack moms crack is way worst then the meds your on. If doc can help these babies they can help yours. your doc can change your meds so it will be safer for baby. and you may be on bed rest your hole pregnancy.It's well worth it. I wish you the best of luck!! D*
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Was just thinking about you and wondering if you have been able to get in to see a Dr. yet? I am hoping its good news for you!! Please let us know if you can. Take care. Amanda