Anyone ever get a BFP after heavy flow on CD1&2?

[cl71]

Has anyone out there ever gotten a BFP after a heavy flow on CD 1 & 2?  I had my bloodwork done on CD3 to clear the way for my next course of Femara, and they called me to tell me that my level was 9.6 (has to be under 5 to be considered not preg, over 25 to be considered preg).  The nurse said it suggested a chem pregnancy, and to come back four days later (this past Friday the 14th) to make sure my level went down.  So I did, and the results from THAT test came back at 46...?  

The nurse said that according to my bloodwork, I'm preggo and the numbers had doubled as they should.  How can this be?  I had a heavy AF for two days before the levels were taken...  I had more blood taken this morning but won't get the results until late this afternoon.

Has anyone found themselves pregnant after what they thought was a heavy - yet shorter - AF?  And if they did get the BFP, was it viable?  As much as I'd love it to be true (we M/C'd in November at about 7 wks - absolutely heartbroken), I find I'm having a hard time believing it's possible and don't want to get my hopes up only to have them crushed again.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Best of luck to everyone!

[cl71]

Okay - so I said to keep the faith, right?  I know I should be hopeful, but I'm too busy being terrified.

I miscarried last Wednesday.  Right after it started I went to the doctor, and he said the u/s showed the preg. sac elongating, and it would disolve shortly and would be over soon.   I made an appointment to have my blood tested this past Monday to make sure the levels were going down, along with another u/s appointment for yesterday to make sure everything had expelled.  So on Monday evening, they called me and said "the doctor needs you to come in tomorrow for another u/s - your hcg level is 21,000."  (At last check, 2 days prior to miscarriage, it was about 6750).  They figured I hadn't expelled everything.

So I went in Tuesday, and the same nurse who was so wonderful to me during my miscarriage and did the u/s then, too, said "Well I think you're going to be quite surprised - there's the pregnancy sac, and there's the heart beat."

WHAT??

But I was making a mess all over that poor woman's table the last time I was there, and passed clots when I got home (sorry for TMI, but I'm trying to show how this was definately not just "a little bleeding") - how is this possible?  But then the doctor came in and said the fetus was about a week too small, and the heart beat was too low (113), that it probably wasn't viable, and when I come in next week for another u/s we'll more than likely not find a heart beat.  

Unless, he said, I ovulted unusually late last month, and my hubby's sperm hung in there a little longer than normal.  All of it not statistically impossible, but highly improbable.  And we don't know when I ovulated, because I was on my 1st full cycle after my previous m/c, and was somewhat irregular prior to that.  So when my follicles didn't show much of a growth after day 12 (I think the largest was about 11.5), we just sort of scrapped that month.  I was told to call on CD1 to start over again.  Which I did, only to find out that my hcg level was rising.  And that's what prompted me to start this whole thread in the first place...

The doctor also said that the sac had grown significantly from the time the u/s was done during my "miscarriage" until now, and he estimates about a 30% chance of viability.  I have another u/s set up for Tuesday the 8th.  If it shows a normal week's growth, then he thinks we'll be okay.  But - he didn't think that would be the case.

I want to be hopeful, but all the complications I've had - heavy bleeding twice, low progesterone, small/low heart rate - I'm afraid the cynic in me takes over.  I go from feeling hope to anger, like this is nothing more than a sick joke to prolong the inevitable.

Sorry for the long & rambling rant, but no one (except my husband, of course!) knows about this, and seeing as I have to wait almost a week to find out I just had to vent...

Thanks for giving me that outlet, and I hope things are going more smoothly for the rest of you!

[butterfly011]

I am so sorry to hear about this. How are you doing?

[cl71]

Thanks, ladies - I appreciate the kind words.  Well, the uncertainty is finally over.  I miscarried naturally yesterday morning.  It was sad but not a shock, and in a way I'm relieved.  At least now it's over, and I don't have to wait for a D&C like the last time.  When I miscarried in November my cycles started right back up the following month - I'm hoping that will be the case this time, too.  Maybe the third time will be the charm.

Gotta keep the faith, right?  

Thanks for all the input and encouragement - I hope that someday I'll be able to return the favor.

[adgal]

I'm so sorry.  I know how upset you must be. I am keeping you in my thoughts and hope somehow all works out.  It is still early and I am glad you are having another u/s.  Please let us know how you are doing.  

[happynifer]

hang in there...it's not over until it's over.

[cl71]

Just an update in case anyone else finds themselves in a similar situation...

On Friday my HCG was great but prog. was only 3.0 (up from 1.2).  I had an u/s on Saturday, which showed a small preg. sac.  I went back Monday for more blood work and another u/s.  The u/s showed the sac had grown, but there was no discernible yolk sac - just some indeterminate "stuff".  At that stage we should have at least seen the yolk sac, and very possibly a fetal pole as well.  The doctor said it didn't look good, but to come back this Friday for another u/s.  The blood that was drawn showed a rise in HCG levels, but they didn't double.  The prog. level went up to 7.2.  The doctor said we'll talk about a D&C once we see the results from this coming Friday's u/s.

So that's where we're at.  I sincerely hope that anyone else reading this with low progesterone levels has a better outcome.  The doctor said it is possible, just unfortunately, not this time.  Best of luck to all.

[cl71]

We'll probably do an ultrasound this Monday, and I'll have another blood test tomorrow.  I asked about supplements, and was told that at this stage of the game it would be like closing the barn door after the horse got out - if supplements are to be helpful at all, it's when they're given at/around ovulation.  They won't improve a bad pregnancy, but might prolong it.

I asked the nurse for her honest opinion, and she said that between the heavy bleeding at the beginning and the extremely low progesterone level (it was 1.2, not 2.1 as I had originally thought), although it could very well turn out to be viable, her gut feeling was that it wasn't.  Which is kind of what I'd felt all along.  She also said that from what she's seen the heavy bleeding would concern her more than the low progesterone, but if it were only one or the other she'd be more optimistic.  But when you put them together...

I truly thank you, adgal and shuga1109, for your input.  As I get blood and ultrasound results, I'll post them in case anyone else is going through the same thing.

[adgal]

I haven't experienced this exactly, simply because my OB does not test progesterone.  I take supplements from the beginning and so she just doesn't bother.

Supplements are one of those controversial issues for many Dr.'s.  Some believe in them, others feel they don't do anything, that the body must produce it naturally.  And they do fluctuate.  Given that your HCG levels are increasing the way they are, I too would be optimistic.  Keep in mind that the vast majority of pregnancy losses happen before 6 weeks.  Also, there are many Dr.'s out there now that don't bother with the blood work.  With early ultrasound, they have discovered that these numbers do not mean as much as they once thought, and there is less emphasis on them.  When is your first ultrasound?  You should be able to have one soon, and that will give you the answers you need.  Good luck to you....it's so scary for those of us that have had a bad experience in the past, I know.  I won't tell you not to worry, because I know you will.  But very soon now you should have those answers and hopefully feel much better.  Hang in there!

[cl71]

Thanks to both of you.  Unfortunately, I've received more bad news with the most recent blood test.  My HCG levels have more than doubled (from 46 to 330 in four days) - which is great - but my progesterone is extremely low.  2.1.   My RE said that it's too late to start using supplements (I'm in the middle of my 6th week), so we just have to wait and see.  I go back for more bloodwork on Friday the 21st.  The RE said he's "cautiously optimistic" - that progesterone levels can fluctuate, and it's too soon to say it's non-viable, especially since the HCG is rising like it is.  Depending on what the results show, we'll probably do an ultra sound on Monday.

Has anyone ever heard of a situation like this that didn't end in M/C?  I wasn't sure if I should ask that question here, or start a new post...

Again - thanks in advance for any advice.

[shuga1109]

I bled for my first son.  I actually bled for quite some time.  It turned out to be placenta previa, but fixed itself as the pregnancy continued.  As my pregnancy continued, and as my uterus grew, the placenta moved and fixed itself.  He is now 17!.  Bleeeding can be a number of things that does not necessarily mean something bad.  Congratulations!  Hopefully it was just implantation and I wish you a healthy pregnancy and end with bundle of joy!

[cl71]

Thank you for your words of encouragement - it's helping to keep me somewhat calm while I wait (and wait... and wait...) for the phone call.  

Congrats on your little guy! :)

[adgal]

Well congratultions to you!  It does indeed sound like you are pregnant.  The bleeding is not actually AF.  Women do bleed during early pregnancy..many of us in fact, but it is not a period.  There are many reasons.  I had heavy bleeding due to a small hematoma that eventually bled itself out and caused no problems at all.  There are many reasons.  If your numbers are going up that is a good thing.   I know it's scary...I too have miscarried.  But I also bled with my son and he is a healthy about to turn 1 year old.  Sometimes the bleeding will remain a mystery, but it does not mean that the pregnancy is not viable.  Good luck to you!