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PLEASE READ THIS EVERYONE DONT BE OFFENDED THIS IS JUST MY OPINION
I understand people here are tryin to conceive babies and loosin babies which is very sad and i know it hurts but please remember to respect everyone opinion regardless if u like ir or not am not please with some of wat u all said to Jban seems harsh it hurts to me see someone is here to get advice and help and because some of u are against abortions u decline to give advice and tell her to find another forum this makes me mad am against abortion 100% when i was young i had 2 of them one when i was 16 cause my mother made me and another later on in life this change my life forever i wanted to dy i want to kill myself and i took me years to get over i felt everything for my last abortion they didnt put me to sleep this change me i took nearly 7 yrs to go back to normal again. Instead of tellin JPan u will not advice her and find another forum u should tell her wat an abortion is and provide comfort regardless of her decision and opinion i hope i didnt offend anyone but i was touch by wat i read i think i wasnt fair to her because of something we are against
njeosys was my original username on here and you can see I'm very passionate about abortion-related posts.
Anyway, this is an old post. There's no sense in keeping at this. It might even get deleted because anything controversial usually does. It's okay to have a healthy debate, but it's not right to attack one another or harass people.
Anyway, this is an old post. There's no sense in keeping at this. It might even get deleted because anything controversial usually does. It's okay to have a healthy debate, but it's not right to attack one another or harass people.
I think abortion is wrong.There is no reason you should be having sex if your not prepared for what may come.There are alot of people on this forum that have lost there babies or who are deperatley trying to have a baby and I can't imagine how they must feel reading things like this.I do think when it comes to rape it's a different story.Birth control and condoms or don't have sex until you can deal with what can come from it.
This is just my opinion and no offense to anyone.
This is just my opinion and no offense to anyone.
I think that since it is an open forum we CAN bring religion into it actually, how is that any different than talking about our views on any other topic. I am so sick of it being taboo to talk about religion, especially Christianity.
Oh I know it is... but its the propaganda of the poem that I was refering too. I am really annoyed when religion, or any other group, totally twists things to make people follow it.
It's a fictional story, meant to be taken literally. If you don't know about pregnancy and heard it then you would think that month by month that is how a baby developed. That is what bugged me about it. I am not against religion and am not trying to trash it. I am just totally opposed to propaganda. No matter what the force behind it is (religion, government etc)
i am aware that this is an old post but it brings up lots of valid points. This is supposed to be a public forum which means that everything should be dealt with with an open mind and addressed in such a way. (I think that religion, any type of religion, should be left out of it because we all come from a different backround with different beliefs)
It's a fictional story, meant to be taken literally. If you don't know about pregnancy and heard it then you would think that month by month that is how a baby developed. That is what bugged me about it. I am not against religion and am not trying to trash it. I am just totally opposed to propaganda. No matter what the force behind it is (religion, government etc)
i am aware that this is an old post but it brings up lots of valid points. This is supposed to be a public forum which means that everything should be dealt with with an open mind and addressed in such a way. (I think that religion, any type of religion, should be left out of it because we all come from a different backround with different beliefs)
crysi, it's a poem. that's it just a poem. i didn't know that a poem that i read a while ago had to be correct month by month.
Hey guys? This post was started in December of 2007. So we're really beating a dead horse here....everyone is going to have differences of opinion, we're never ALL going to agree on this issue. But I just wanted to point out that all of this was started over a year ago...
ladies- abortion is part of a pregnancy forum whether any of you like it or not. I know that many times this topic comes up and panties all become knotted each time. I again think back to so many hot times when especially Joy Renee who is the forum liason pretty much has sad, IF YOU DO NOT LIKE A POST, DONT RESPOND. dont go in and be negative and belittle someone because that makes you an awful person for doing so.
pro-choice or pro-life, you can gracefully say something rather than attack. I am gez, many have already attacked the original poster and told her that you do not respect her etc. I mean come on is that necassary?
I had 2 MC's myself before concieving and yes they were so difficult to deal with but if someone wants or needs an abortion, we should not judge until we have walked in their shoes.
So again if you do not like the post, leave it alone.
pro-choice or pro-life, you can gracefully say something rather than attack. I am gez, many have already attacked the original poster and told her that you do not respect her etc. I mean come on is that necassary?
I had 2 MC's myself before concieving and yes they were so difficult to deal with but if someone wants or needs an abortion, we should not judge until we have walked in their shoes.
So again if you do not like the post, leave it alone.
I would like to correct the above poem but there is too much wrong to even begin. Please look up pregnancy month by month and see the HUGE errors in development in months one to well 5.
Abortion is a personal choice, leave it that way. If you are totally opposed move to the next post.
Abortion is a personal choice, leave it that way. If you are totally opposed move to the next post.
i never understood how anyone could have an abortion. while i was in high school we had a home ec class that split half way through the year to teach sex ed. we were required to take a doll (one of the electronic ones that cried, needed diaper changes, fed, etc) home with us for a weekend, we had to watch a video on abortion, about marriage and all that fun stuff. no girl in my class ended up pregnant until after high school.
i have a cousin. she's....not the greatest person in the world. she's had THREE abortions. 3. she refuses to use protection and is now pregnant again. for some reason she decided this baby should live. she's due in 2 months. there are so many couples in this world who would have LOVED to have those 3 babies she murdered. (the only good thing she can do is make beautiful babies, she already has 2 and they are gorgeous kids) my genetics counselor tried her hardest from the time i had my testing done at 13 weeks until i was at 24 weeks (when it becomes illegal in pa to do abortions) to get me to abort my twins because there was a CHANCE they'd be autistic because i carry the messed up gene. if i'd done that i wouldn't have my wonderful little boys. and when i hear or read about women who are so willing to go and have that little life ripped from their wombs. it makes me so sad for those babies.
this is a poem that my youth pastor had us read (they were doing a week on pre marital sex, pregnancy and abortion to help promote abstinence)....it's sad...i'm warning you all now. very sad. i still cry when i read it and give my boys a BIG BIG hug afterwards.
Month One
Mommy, I am only 8 inches long, but I have all my organs. I love the sound of your voice. Every time I hear it, I wave my arms and legs. The sound of your heart beat is my favorite lullaby.
Month Two
Mommy, today I learned how to suck my thumb. If you could see me, you could definitely tell that I am a baby. I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though. It is so nice and warm in here.
Month Three
You know what Mommy, I'm a girl !! I hope that makes you happy. I always want you to be happy. I don't like it when you cry. You sound so sad. It makes me sad too, and I cry with you even though you can't hear me.
Month Four
Mommy, my hair is starting to grow. It is very short and fine, but I will have a lot of it. I spend a lot of my time exercising. I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes, and stretch my arms and legs. I am becoming quite good at it too.
Month Five
You went to the doctor today. Mommy, he lied to you. He said that I'm not a baby. I am a baby Mommy, your baby. I think and feel. Mommy, what's abortion?
Month Six
I can hear that doctor again. I don't like him. He seems cold and heartless. Something is intruding my home. The doctor called it a needle. Mommy what is it? It burns! Please make him stop! I can't get away from it! Mommy!! HELP me!! No ...
Month Seven
Mommy, I am okay. I am in Jesus's arms. he is holding me. He told me about abortion. Why didn't you want me Mommy?
Every Abortion Is Just . . .
One more heart that was stopped. Two more eyes that will never
see. Two more hands that will never touch. Two more legs that will never run. One more mouth that will never speak.
i have a cousin. she's....not the greatest person in the world. she's had THREE abortions. 3. she refuses to use protection and is now pregnant again. for some reason she decided this baby should live. she's due in 2 months. there are so many couples in this world who would have LOVED to have those 3 babies she murdered. (the only good thing she can do is make beautiful babies, she already has 2 and they are gorgeous kids) my genetics counselor tried her hardest from the time i had my testing done at 13 weeks until i was at 24 weeks (when it becomes illegal in pa to do abortions) to get me to abort my twins because there was a CHANCE they'd be autistic because i carry the messed up gene. if i'd done that i wouldn't have my wonderful little boys. and when i hear or read about women who are so willing to go and have that little life ripped from their wombs. it makes me so sad for those babies.
this is a poem that my youth pastor had us read (they were doing a week on pre marital sex, pregnancy and abortion to help promote abstinence)....it's sad...i'm warning you all now. very sad. i still cry when i read it and give my boys a BIG BIG hug afterwards.
Month One
Mommy, I am only 8 inches long, but I have all my organs. I love the sound of your voice. Every time I hear it, I wave my arms and legs. The sound of your heart beat is my favorite lullaby.
Month Two
Mommy, today I learned how to suck my thumb. If you could see me, you could definitely tell that I am a baby. I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though. It is so nice and warm in here.
Month Three
You know what Mommy, I'm a girl !! I hope that makes you happy. I always want you to be happy. I don't like it when you cry. You sound so sad. It makes me sad too, and I cry with you even though you can't hear me.
Month Four
Mommy, my hair is starting to grow. It is very short and fine, but I will have a lot of it. I spend a lot of my time exercising. I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes, and stretch my arms and legs. I am becoming quite good at it too.
Month Five
You went to the doctor today. Mommy, he lied to you. He said that I'm not a baby. I am a baby Mommy, your baby. I think and feel. Mommy, what's abortion?
Month Six
I can hear that doctor again. I don't like him. He seems cold and heartless. Something is intruding my home. The doctor called it a needle. Mommy what is it? It burns! Please make him stop! I can't get away from it! Mommy!! HELP me!! No ...
Month Seven
Mommy, I am okay. I am in Jesus's arms. he is holding me. He told me about abortion. Why didn't you want me Mommy?
Every Abortion Is Just . . .
One more heart that was stopped. Two more eyes that will never
see. Two more hands that will never touch. Two more legs that will never run. One more mouth that will never speak.
what is everyones issue?? leave the girl alone.. im 21 years old and my partner and I chose to have an abortion as we were not financially able or emotionally able to support a baby... we made the right decision for us and our relationship... u al may think that is selfish but if we had kept that baby we would not have stayed together and i was raised in a broken home and i do not want that for a child of mine.. i am from australia,.. abortion is legalised here.. i will not sit here and read you narrow minded people bringing god into the equation... i doubt that any of you would keep a baby if you had b een raped... do u really think the mother could look at that child and not resent it?? u say that god creates babies but we dont have the right to abort a fetus??? dont forget that in the bible god also instructs his disciples to murder... think about that
It's hard to find an actual law stated because I see some sites that say Roe vs. Wade made it impossible to be convicted of murder for self-abortion and yet some women have been tried. One of the sites I gave you said she was tried but didn't get convicted.
By the way, every state's laws are different. Some can be tried for 2nd degree, others for manslaughter... just depends on the state and judge.
Yeah, adoption is hard for older children, but babies don't have any prob being adopted. I tried looking into adoption myself, but EVERY single place wants at least one parent to be 30 years old or older. Adoption is a long, tedious process with lots of restrictions and guidelines, which is why a lot of people don't look into adoption, or try to adopt from young pregnant teens.
I've known kids who've been adopted, and I've known parents who've given up their children. The things a woman feels about a child she gives up is very similar to what a woman feels after aborting her child. She will wonder, even decades later, "What would my child have done?" "What would they have looked like" "I wish I hadn't done it" among SO many other things. They will feel a twinge of pain when they see other children, especially around the age that their child "would have" been.
Yeah, adoption is hard for older children, but babies don't have any prob being adopted. I tried looking into adoption myself, but EVERY single place wants at least one parent to be 30 years old or older. Adoption is a long, tedious process with lots of restrictions and guidelines, which is why a lot of people don't look into adoption, or try to adopt from young pregnant teens.
I've known kids who've been adopted, and I've known parents who've given up their children. The things a woman feels about a child she gives up is very similar to what a woman feels after aborting her child. She will wonder, even decades later, "What would my child have done?" "What would they have looked like" "I wish I hadn't done it" among SO many other things. They will feel a twinge of pain when they see other children, especially around the age that their child "would have" been.
http://blog.syracuse.com/news/2007/04/west_monroe_woman_charged_with.html
http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=Hx8BQcwdL4dbL8YsnWZTwpY9VTg7YZ3JYGwyDZNdHWwwSDWmwYTP!343392858?docId=5002005126
Those are just a few. There are many more.
http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=Hx8BQcwdL4dbL8YsnWZTwpY9VTg7YZ3JYGwyDZNdHWwwSDWmwYTP!343392858?docId=5002005126
Those are just a few. There are many more.
Wait, one more thing.
Where did you find out that a woman who self inflicts abortion can be tried for murder? I'm searching for this on web, but can't find a thing. I don't think you can be tried for murder for self aborting. I've never heard about it in the news, and I think it would have made it into the headlines. I think anti-abortionists are pushing for a law like that, but I don't think it's happened.
Let me know how you know that so I can read about it...thanks.
Where did you find out that a woman who self inflicts abortion can be tried for murder? I'm searching for this on web, but can't find a thing. I don't think you can be tried for murder for self aborting. I've never heard about it in the news, and I think it would have made it into the headlines. I think anti-abortionists are pushing for a law like that, but I don't think it's happened.
Let me know how you know that so I can read about it...thanks.
You're putting words in my mouth. I said it was legal, I never said it was right.
Let's just agree to disagree. I don't need to be enlighted on how women feel years after having an abortion. I have friends who have had them and now have healthy children and are married.
As far as having a child to give it up for adoption-
Haven't you read those stories as well? I'm sure it's hard to wonder where your kid is, if they're OK, if they're looking for you, if you made the right choice, etc. To tell your children that they have an older brother or sister, but you gave them up, It's just as hard of a decision to make. For myself, I actually think it would be harder to live with that decision. I couldn't carry a child for 9 months and then give them away. It would be easier to never go through it. Again, my opinion.
For the kids at my school who no one wants. So, they're 5 years too late to be adopted and loved by someone? Many of them are special needs kids. I guess people want children, but they're picky as to what they want.
Again...let's agree to disagree.
Let's just agree to disagree. I don't need to be enlighted on how women feel years after having an abortion. I have friends who have had them and now have healthy children and are married.
As far as having a child to give it up for adoption-
Haven't you read those stories as well? I'm sure it's hard to wonder where your kid is, if they're OK, if they're looking for you, if you made the right choice, etc. To tell your children that they have an older brother or sister, but you gave them up, It's just as hard of a decision to make. For myself, I actually think it would be harder to live with that decision. I couldn't carry a child for 9 months and then give them away. It would be easier to never go through it. Again, my opinion.
For the kids at my school who no one wants. So, they're 5 years too late to be adopted and loved by someone? Many of them are special needs kids. I guess people want children, but they're picky as to what they want.
Again...let's agree to disagree.
Write all the papers you want, watch videos and look at pics, but just having the head knowledge doesn't mean you have the heart knowledge. Being legal doesn't make it right. Tell me something... why does a woman who tries an abortion on herself get tried in court for attempted murder? She's not tried for trying to perform a surgery on herself or anything of that nature, but can be convicted of MURDER and yet a doctor, who takes an oath to protect life, has legal grounds to take an innocent, helpless life? THAT, my friend, is one instance of how corrupt and messed up our laws are, so don't tell me that in the end it is legal. Being legal does not make something right.
It's also not about religious conviction. I used to be a Wiccan and then didn't believe in anything and still believed abortion was wrong. By the way, this isn't me arguing. This is me presenting information and facts. I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone else, by any means, so sorry if it comes off that way. I'm trying to have a discussion.
I can see your point and see why you believe abortion might be okay, but those children in foster care are still PEOPLE, with as much right to live as someone who is rich and has both parents who love them and take care of them. Do you honestly think those sweet children are better of not existing? The circumstances they live in are not ideal, but I've met many wonderful, educated people who grew up in foster care for some or all of their lives. Our circumstances can either refine our character or break us down.
People don't want to adopt grown children, they want babies. But women are ABORTING their babies instead of giving them up for adoption. It's like a CATCH-22. Unfortunately, the government can't pick and choose who is reproductive and who can have babies and be FIT parents. Sometimes people do drugs, drink, abuse, neglect, and while the foster system isn't perfect, neither are laws on abortion.
There are actually more abortions performed on educated women who have financial stability.
I just met a homeless girl a few weeks ago who has a 18 month old, a 3 month old, and is currently pregnant again. Abortion never entered her mind. While her circumstances are not ideal, like I said before, she is TRYING to make it work.
I come from a large family who was poverty-stricken while I was growing up, at one point living out of a car. But I'm not stupid, I'm not an awful, ill-mannered person. I got straight A's, I read every single day, I love learning, and I have very good manners.
Circumstances should not DEFINE us as human beings. I just don't see how anyone, especially a mother and teacher, can think killing human lives as "okay" because "in the end, it's still legal". You know, you don't have to read stories on abortion, but if you truly want to understand both sides, then read stories from women who've had them and thought, "If I only hadn't, we WOULD have made it work...".
I'm not trying to make you change your POV, but give you more insight. You can take it or leave it, of course. I'm sure a perfect society would be one where everyone is upper class and has both parents who love them, but not everyone's life is a fairytale story.
It's also not about religious conviction. I used to be a Wiccan and then didn't believe in anything and still believed abortion was wrong. By the way, this isn't me arguing. This is me presenting information and facts. I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone else, by any means, so sorry if it comes off that way. I'm trying to have a discussion.
I can see your point and see why you believe abortion might be okay, but those children in foster care are still PEOPLE, with as much right to live as someone who is rich and has both parents who love them and take care of them. Do you honestly think those sweet children are better of not existing? The circumstances they live in are not ideal, but I've met many wonderful, educated people who grew up in foster care for some or all of their lives. Our circumstances can either refine our character or break us down.
People don't want to adopt grown children, they want babies. But women are ABORTING their babies instead of giving them up for adoption. It's like a CATCH-22. Unfortunately, the government can't pick and choose who is reproductive and who can have babies and be FIT parents. Sometimes people do drugs, drink, abuse, neglect, and while the foster system isn't perfect, neither are laws on abortion.
There are actually more abortions performed on educated women who have financial stability.
I just met a homeless girl a few weeks ago who has a 18 month old, a 3 month old, and is currently pregnant again. Abortion never entered her mind. While her circumstances are not ideal, like I said before, she is TRYING to make it work.
I come from a large family who was poverty-stricken while I was growing up, at one point living out of a car. But I'm not stupid, I'm not an awful, ill-mannered person. I got straight A's, I read every single day, I love learning, and I have very good manners.
Circumstances should not DEFINE us as human beings. I just don't see how anyone, especially a mother and teacher, can think killing human lives as "okay" because "in the end, it's still legal". You know, you don't have to read stories on abortion, but if you truly want to understand both sides, then read stories from women who've had them and thought, "If I only hadn't, we WOULD have made it work...".
I'm not trying to make you change your POV, but give you more insight. You can take it or leave it, of course. I'm sure a perfect society would be one where everyone is upper class and has both parents who love them, but not everyone's life is a fairytale story.
I agree on some point but as far as someone posting that they want to have an abortion is wrong I mean I could see if she was raped or forced into having a baby cause someone couldn't have one and someone forced her into getting pregnant just so she could give the child up even though she went through 9 months with the child in her body but to kill an innocent child for all the wrong reasons is murder in my eye's and for you to ask people to give someone like her comfort for wanting to kill an innocent child is wrong.... If she really don't want that child there is other routes to go by instead of killing something so innocent and not give it a chance in life that has been started...
I'm not arguing anymore. We both have opinions, let's leave it at that. You are religious, and I am not.
I don't need to check out websites on abortions. I know all about it and written papers on the subject while in college. I've watched the videos of the procedure and know all about it. Yes, it's gross and upsetting, but in the end, it's still legal.
So "shame on you" might have been a little harsh, but don't make the girl feel guilty for whatever decision she makes. As for lots of families waiting for children, where exactly are they looking? There are millions of children that need homes. Are they just looking in the US? I work at an Elementary school and have several children there in the foster system. I don't see anyone fighting to adopt them. They didn't choose their life of being passed around, someone else chose it and now they have to live it. They've seen more in their 5 to 10 years than I've seen in my entire life.
I don't need to check out websites on abortions. I know all about it and written papers on the subject while in college. I've watched the videos of the procedure and know all about it. Yes, it's gross and upsetting, but in the end, it's still legal.
So "shame on you" might have been a little harsh, but don't make the girl feel guilty for whatever decision she makes. As for lots of families waiting for children, where exactly are they looking? There are millions of children that need homes. Are they just looking in the US? I work at an Elementary school and have several children there in the foster system. I don't see anyone fighting to adopt them. They didn't choose their life of being passed around, someone else chose it and now they have to live it. They've seen more in their 5 to 10 years than I've seen in my entire life.
If you read this list of questions again you will clearly see she is asking for advise on abortion. Question 4 "what are the options of abortion do I have?". All the other questions with the exception of #1 which she wants info. on the ovary, are all in regards to abortion and how it will affect her! Not once does she mention or question what it will do to the life she has created. Obviously, she knows it will end the life. She posted on this forum and asked for our advise. We are giving it, even if it isn't the answer she is looking for. We didn't go to her, she came to us for advise.
Here is what she posted:I cannot keep the baby since i am too young for it. I just want some opinion on 1. what does the Dispropotionate ovaries imply? 2. Can it cause issues during abortion? 3. How old is my baby? Does Gestational sack age tells me the time it was fertilized? 4. What are the options of abortions do i have? Which one is the safest? Is there any risk to my life or health? 5. What are the chances of me no fertilizing again later in my life? If the doctor says i might have issues with fertilizing again, what are the ways i can reduce such a risk? 6. The doctor said that they dint find any heart beat as yet, How much time do i have? Thanks. I am really scared. Please help.
Here is what she posted:I cannot keep the baby since i am too young for it. I just want some opinion on 1. what does the Dispropotionate ovaries imply? 2. Can it cause issues during abortion? 3. How old is my baby? Does Gestational sack age tells me the time it was fertilized? 4. What are the options of abortions do i have? Which one is the safest? Is there any risk to my life or health? 5. What are the chances of me no fertilizing again later in my life? If the doctor says i might have issues with fertilizing again, what are the ways i can reduce such a risk? 6. The doctor said that they dint find any heart beat as yet, How much time do i have? Thanks. I am really scared. Please help.
Shame on us for telling a girl to not kill her child? SHE made the choice to keep her child before any of us said a word. The thing is, you can be pro-choice all you want, but you want it to be YOUR choice and your preference??? There's a lot of politics on abortion that many people are not aware of... there is a strong political agenda.
As far as becoming pregnant under violence, that is not the girl's or the baby's choice. I once read a pamphlet that a scientist and doctor wrote. She said her mom tried to abort her THREE times and each time failed. She said if she had been aborted she wouldn't be here today. She is trying to FIND A CURE FOR CANCER.
The thing is, when you abort a baby, you don't know WHO you are killing. And I can tell you're pro-choice because you've never had an abortion because if you had one, you would understand better sexy-hot-dandy's position. Go to www.hopeafterabortion.com and READ stories from REAL women who've had abortions and live a life of regret 20 years later.
Sometimes God does things we cannot comprehend, that doesn't make sense to us. How dare we take a life? I commend her for wanting to keep her baby and raise it herself, in SPITE OF the circumstances.
You have every right to believe what you want, but make sure you have more than just your opinion. Get the facts straight as well.
As far as becoming pregnant under violence, that is not the girl's or the baby's choice. I once read a pamphlet that a scientist and doctor wrote. She said her mom tried to abort her THREE times and each time failed. She said if she had been aborted she wouldn't be here today. She is trying to FIND A CURE FOR CANCER.
The thing is, when you abort a baby, you don't know WHO you are killing. And I can tell you're pro-choice because you've never had an abortion because if you had one, you would understand better sexy-hot-dandy's position. Go to www.hopeafterabortion.com and READ stories from REAL women who've had abortions and live a life of regret 20 years later.
Sometimes God does things we cannot comprehend, that doesn't make sense to us. How dare we take a life? I commend her for wanting to keep her baby and raise it herself, in SPITE OF the circumstances.
You have every right to believe what you want, but make sure you have more than just your opinion. Get the facts straight as well.
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