A little med help poll

[pinkbelle]

I dont know if all of you follow the election but I was just curious who was voting for who... I myself am a democrat and will be voting for Barack Obama! He has a lot of good ideas! How about you guys?

[Jame0223]

I am a young person too, my first time voting too! I am voting for McCain! He has so much more experience...and I frankly believe that Sarah Palin is a great choice for a running mate. To me she has more experience then Obama himself! I think Obama is a great person but I don't trust our country in his hands.

so McCain all the way baby!

[leighanne143]

i agree with attia_julii.  vote on the items at hand, not by someones name, looks etc.

i too am pro-choice, pro-same sex marriages, totally for social services since i run a group home for men with substance abuse and mental health.  

right now our social service agnecies have been cut so harsly because of all the craziness that is going on.  I know that all of us have someone with a mental illness, mental disability, substance abuse problem or someone whoneeds extra support in our families.  I storngly encourage all to think of them and how each canidate will effect them.

DSS just took a drastic cut.  do i think that no one should abuse or neglect their children......yes, but we all know it happens and wow we are about to lose the agency that assists with helping these abused children.  think of things like this.

[tarrah87]

and i've read numerous times from this post and another in another forum about how so many ppl and others who are actually in the war fighting or in the military are voting for mccain but i have tons of friends and family members in the military and i do not know one of them voting for mccain is all for obama. ppl are gonna vote for who they want to vote for so calm down ppl

[tarrah87]

" Military needs new machinery, new tanks, new ammor, new planes. . . . all of it."  and maybe they would have it if we would not have spent all that money in iraq.. and for what reason.... i'm not here to starts  fight or ne thing just my opinion we had no reason in iraq in the first place.

[cminamyer]

Pinkbelle - Honey, I really don't want to be rude, but right now there is no person in our armed forces that holds the rank of a 5 star.  He may be a 4 star which is the highest rank, that can be held right now, and when there is a 5 star, that person would be the General of the Army so there would be only on in the Army.

Griggsy - keep up putting out your views if you want, I don't think people really want to read them, but I appriciate them very much and agree with most everything that you have posted.  The WWII comment was great, no one today really thinks about what WWII did for this country and how everyone pulled together to help in the war effort.  Now days most of the American people can't be bothered to give up anything to help out our troops.  WWII was actually very great for the American economy.

My mom is like a couple of you on here and doesn't like to talk about issues at all.  I think when it comes to politics there isn't any reason we can't have a disscusion and even let it get a little heated without pulling through and being adults about it.  It's very interesting and kinda fun, if it bothers you try not to read it.

Good luck to us all!

[Griggsy]

If you want to have a conversation with me then call. If you want to think that you have all of factual inforamtion about me based on a single posting in a thread then you really do need to open your mind up.

There is no way possible to understand my point of view from a quickly written post on a message board. Of course things where mistype, or misspoke, I am after all human. Making judgements from one thread is silly. It's like choosing who you are going to vote for based off of CNN's newest poll.

There are hundreds of threads that have helped lots, and lots of women on this message board. It's too bad that didn't find 1 post that answered a question. In fertility there are no answers, just miracles. What works for me doesn't work for the next. Unfortunitly it's out of our hands, as we can only do so much.

[Atia_Julii]

You know, I just really want to add something here. . .

I found this board back in February when my husband and I decided we wanted to TTC.  We haven't been able to get pregnant, and it's been really emotionally and physically (not to mention financially) draining.  I was so happy I found this community on here.  But for the past couple of months especially, NOTHING I've asked as been answered.  This is the first place I come for support, and I've gotten NONE.  Instead, people spend all day writing books about their political views (which I still believe everyone should quit pointing their fingers and take some responsibility) or they are spending all day answering daily posts about what you did during the weekend, what you want to eat for lunch, what's up Wednesday, etc, etc, etc. . . I think it's great that people want to build a community, but I'm sick of questions not getting answered because of it.

I've met so many great and helpful people on this message board, one in particular, but again, the purpose I'm on here for is advice in TTC and emotional support in dealing with infertility.  And I'm sorry, but that support some reason ended a while ago.  So, I guess for me, there is just no reason to be on here anymore.

Good luck to all!  I sincerely hope all of your conception dreams come true. :-D

And Griggsy - I still think you need to waste your time arguing with yourself and putting words in other people's mouths. ;-)

[Atia_Julii]

Oh, and My RE is from Canada and has made some breakthrough discoveries with some treatments.  I hope they work!

Now I've truly wasted too much time with your broken logic.  

[Atia_Julii]

Griggsy, I think you're crazy because you are arguing with yourself.  

Now I quote you, Bringing the troops home and ending the war and putting that money back into the US isn't going to fix anything. We will be ignoring that the fact the are Military needs new machinery, new tanks, new ammor, new planes. . . . all of it."

Okay, who are you arguing with?  I certainly didn't say anything contrary to your above statements.  I said, and I repeat. . .

WAR IS EXPENSIVE.  WAR HURTS ECONOMIES.  I didn't once say that we should pull out, quit funding it, or any of the other BS that has come out of your mouth.  That's all I'm saying.

[LauraB78]

Ladies...

Let's be civil.. We all have our opinions and different research "engines"  and "resources" and have come to our own decision in a personal manner..

As I stated above, I kept my posts BRIEF and non descript b/c I saw the potential of what could (and has) become..

I think we all agree we are ready for a change! So, let's just support our right to vote and state which candidate we are backing without all the nastiness??! =)

Just an idea. I think this board is fabulous and I think all of YOU ladies are great! I STRONGLY disagree with MANY of the posts but have personally decided to just ignore it and agree to disagree.. (and not belittle or argue)

This is a very important topic that concerns us ALL so let's try and keep it a friendly debate?

It's funny.. I had mentioned politics (and religion, actually) as a topic to one of my Medhelp buddies a few weeks ago and we both decided it would be message board 'suicide' to start one so we didn't!!   =)  It's just ironic, that is why I mention, not intended to be an insult on who started this topic ( I honestly dont even remember who it was and am soooo not scrolling up to find out!)   ; )

I am not pointing fingers or blaming anyone, I just think we should avoid this topic any further unless we can ALL be nice and respectful, just some food for thought~

Laura

[Griggsy]

I'm crazy because I know what's going on in the world? If anything I'm not sticking my head under a rock.

Bringing the troops home and ending the war and putting that money back into the US isn't going to fix anything. We will be ignoring that the fact the are Military needs new machinery, new tanks, new ammor, new planes. . . . all of it.

The American people are making all of those things, not other nations.

The best part is that you don't seem to care what the world is doing. If the world is in war so is the US. If the American people would actually support the troops, the economy would follow. History repeats itself. . . the last war the people didn't support was Veitnam, and after that ended we had a massive ressission and inflation in the 70's.

Stick your head in the sand and pretent that nothing can hurt you.

Oh by the way if you move to Canada or Norway, and God forbid you get a liver disease, or cancer try getting into a doctor in a timely manner. They may have a plan that works, but a 2 years waiting list to get a pace maker seems ridiculaus to me.

When was the last time a Canadian docotr made world news with break thorugh procedures? Not in long time because they don't get paid enough to care.

Do you enjoy the public schools? (Goverment ran institution) Under paid teachers, not enough money for books, low test scores. . . .and you want to give our health care to the government?

Privitzed insitutions work. Our college systems are the best in the world, and the government has nothing to do with them. . . . again why do you want to give the single most important thing to our government?

But hey I'm crazy because I read, research, read more, don't live life the way CNN tell me to, and I make my own choices based off of actual fact.

[Atia_Julii]

This will be my last post to you, because honestly, I think you are crazy.  

I simply said that a war (an expensive one not to mention) hurts an economy because of the mere expense of it.  And you just wrote a book, and I quote, "but again you're right, war doesn't help anything."  

WOW!  I wasn't talking about whether or not war helps or doesn't help, or funding for the war, etc, etc, etc. . . I was simply saying an expensive war will inevitably hurt an economy.  

Read your responses crazy woman, and stick to the issue at hand.  Don't talk around things. . . It's annoying.  And don't read into what people say, and make more out of it than is really there.

I've so wasted way too much time responding to you for one day.  I'm out.

[Griggsy]

Do you have a list as to where your tax money goes? 50% welfare, 30% schools, 20% to the war? I don't?

Don't even get me started on the economy and the war in Iraq, but you have so let's get into it.

Clinton (democrat) cut Military R&D. He thought that by cutting Military R&D we would save boat loads of money. He also decided to cut Military forces by huge amounts. A few years later war in Iraq started. . . .  The Miltary is put to use, imagine that.

Because of Clinton's actions we have old planes that were built and designed in the 70's. Lots of troops were lost because all of those F16's and F17's were built for air to air combat, and the war in Iraq is not air to air, but rather it is air to ground.

You have troops moving in on the ground, they tell a location to the planes to get them cover, or drop artilery. The current planes move to fast for them to even get remotly close to do what they need to do. Those planes have zero hoovering capabilities. They have to circle around and around to get a target, and by then they have been hit by an RMG. Plane goes down, and ground troops are exposed. Troops die.

Now the A10 is plane I like. Clinton not so much. He wanted to ground the A10, but the Military fought it. All the F' series planes are a gun built onto a plane, but the A10 is a gun with a plane built around it. It is the best air  to ground support plane that we have in our fleet today. It is slow, for accuate targeting. It carries a lot of fuel, for those long trips, or the hard to get to places that our troops need to get to, and the gun is dead on.

Now don't forget about the A10, but remember the fact that all the planes were built in the 70's? Well guess what 38 years of fast flying, a few wars, and missions really puts some wear and tear on them. Lots of our planes have gone down, or have been grounded due to metal fatigue. The A10 hasn't been revamped in over 38 years because (democrats) don't want to spent 20 million on a plane that works.

So now you have a war that is air to ground with old planes that are failing, and being grounded. How do you expect to win? Don't answer that you'll say pull out. Yeah the pull out method is soooooo safe. Any ways, who do you think our government will turn to to make new planes? China, Russia, Great Brittan? Yeah right, they are going to turn the the American people and companies, because those ideas are top secret and won't be shared with other nations.

Clinton cut all of it, and all of the American research companies went under, and Americans lost jobs. Since the war it has been abbundanlty clear that we need that research back. We need new planes and new ideas. You're not going to see our Military machinery being made over seas. . .

When the Miltary flurishes so do the American people. Did you know that the only reason we have flat screen T.V's is because the Military went to an American research company and told them that they needed a flat LCD, that can withstand high velocity, light weight, and can fit into a small space?

That technoligy trickeled down the line and we have flat panel everything. Computer moniters, T.V's, you name it.

DO you think that China really wanted to give us the ability to find our way to San Fransico from New York with ease so they made GPS guidance systems? No, the miltary went to an American reseach company and said we need a missle guidance system that is accuate to the point that it will penitrate to the exact deepth before detination. Technoligy trickeled down and now you can have GPS on your phone.

But hey you're right. War never benifits anyone, and the economy suffers. Whether or not we should be over there is a different issue. The point is we are there, and we have a job to do. We are making such awesome progress, but you wouldn't care about that because CNN, FOX, MSNBC only tells you how devistating it is over there. Here's an idea get a solider pen pal, and ask for yourself.

Read the world news, and see how afraid Isereal is about Obama taking office. (Isn't Isereal one of our allies, and the little guy we are trying to protect?)

Egypt doesn't want McCain elected because most of Egypt is Muslim, and they want Isereal back. Most of Europe wants Obama elected because that would pull us out of there. Russia is making a come back, Putin is making allies with Iran, Turkey minor and major, Pakistan. Russia doesn't like the US. We are allied with Georgia and Russia invaded Georgia in August.

Don't forget that Russia has been seeling planes to Venezula, who has made it abbunantly clear that it doesn't like the US, and they are allied with Russia. Which brings to question how many illegal immigrants are from Venezula?  It's a scary number, honey.

So you want to pull out and come home to the US and focus on fixing the US. That didn't work out so well during WWII did it?

The World isn't stopping moving forward, so why should we pull out and move backward?

The economy will right itself when the people have learned a lesson. Don't spend what you don't have. In fact WWII actually helped the US out of the last and final leg of the depression because they were manufacturing things for the war, and they all pulled together and saw the greater good.

Refigerator companies were suddenly making bombs, Ford was making tanks, the researchers that made the A-bomb went on to make air bags, and safety devices, but again you're right, war doesn't help anything.

[Atia_Julii]

And Grigsy, who is placing blame on ONE person?  Not me, that's for sure.  I think everyone contributes to the good and to the bad.

[Atia_Julii]

Grigsy,
Do you HONESTLY think that the war has not negatively affected the economy?  I'm not here to say we should have been there, or not have been there, but it is trillions of dollars. How can you say that HASN'T affected the economy?  I find it ironic that you think Bush has nothing to do with that.  I'm guessing if the economy went to **** when a Democrat was in office, than there would be blame?

[Atia_Julii]

Avaanar,
Socialist regime that is prospering. . . Well, I'll name a couple for you. . . Norway and Canada.

[pinkbelle]

Here is how both canidates stand on important issues!!!


HEALTH CARE
Barack Obama

    * Would create a national health insurance program for individuals who do not have employer-provided health care and who do not qualify for other existing federal programs. Allows individuals to choose between the new public insurance program or from among private insurance plans that meet certain coverage standards. Requires employers who do not provide health coverage for employees to pay into the national health insurance program. Does not mandate individual coverage for all Americans, but requires coverage for all children. Allows individuals below age 25 to be covered through their parents' plans. Cost estimated between $50 billion and $65 billion, to be paid for by eliminating Bush tax cuts for those earning over $250,000.

John McCain

    * Opposes federally mandated universal coverage. Would increase awareness and promote the use of existing children's health insurance programs while expanding community health centers. Supports health care tax dividends for low-income Americans, medical malpractice reform, improving electronic record-keeping, expanding health savings accounts, and encouraging small businesses to band together to negotiate lower rates with health care providers.

IRAQ
Barack Obama

    * Calls for the removal of one to two combat brigades each month and a complete withdrawal of our combat brigades within 16 months, seek a new accord on Iraqi's constitution and governance with representatives on all levels, and plans to provide $2 billion for the creation of an international working group to address the Iraqi humanitarian crisis.

John McCain

    * Advocate sending reinforcements to Iraq to implement a classic insurgency strategy of securing the population, pushes for political reconciliation and good government within Iraq, and was an early proponent of sending additional American troops to Iraq.

ECONOMY
Barack Obama

    * Would pump $75 billion into the economy via tax cuts and direct spending targeted to working families, seniors, homeowners and the unemployed. The plan also includes $45 billion in reserves that can be injected into the economy quickly in the future if the economy continues to deteriorate. Would provide an immediate $250 tax cut for workers and their families and an immediate, temporary $250 bonus to seniors in their Social Security checks. Would provide an additional $250 tax cut to workers and an additional $250 to seniors if the economy continues to worsen. Would extend and expand unemployment insurance.

John McCain

    * Would lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent. Would allow first-year deduction of equipment and technology investments and establish a permanent research and development tax credit equal to 10 percent of wages spent on R&D.

IMMIGRATION
Barack Obama

    * Supported Bush-backed immigration reform legislation, which would have increased funding and improved border security technology, improved enforcement of existing laws, and provided a legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.

John McCain

    * Co-sponsored Bush-backed immigration reform legislation, which would have increased funding and improved border security technology, improved enforcement of existing laws, and provided a legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. Voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.

FOREIGN POLICY
Barack Obama

    * End the war in Iraq, reconcile with the government, and bring our troops home.
    * Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe.
    * Plans to work with Israelis and Palestinians to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.
    * Strengthen the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty so that countries like North Korea and Iran that break the rules will automatically face strong international sanctions.
    * The international community must, over the Sudanese regime’s protests, deploy a large, capable UN-led and UN-funded force with a robust enforcement mandate to stop the killings in Darfur.

John McCain

    * Supports the development and deployment of theater and national missile defense to reduce the possibility of strategic blackmail by rogue regimes and to secure our homeland from the very real prospect of missile attack by present or future adversaries.
    * Believes we must enlarge the size of our armed forces to meet new challenges to our security.
    * Says military action is an option in regards to Iran, but would consult with congressional leaders before taking action.

ENERGY and the ENVIRONMENT
Barack Obama

    * Said he does not support a federal gas tax holiday and called it a "classic Washington gimmick." After voting for an Illinois gas tax holiday while in the Illinois State Senate, he noted that, "Six months later we took a look, and consumers had not benefited at all, but we had lost revenue. I learned from a mistake." Suspend purchasing oil for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, and advocates a windfall profits tax on oil companies. Against lifting federal government restrictions on offshore drilling and opposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Proposes reducing carbon emissions by 80 percent by 2050 by using a market-based cap-and-trade system. Would invest $150 billion over 10 years in clean energy and supports next generation biofuels. Proposes increasing fuel economy standards and would require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources by 2025 and would create a Global Energy Forum and re-engage with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.

John McCain

    * Has called for the suspension of the 18.4-cent-a-gallon federal gas tax and 24.4-cent-a-gallon diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day. The McCain campaign has said the lost revenue would be paid for by money from the general fund. Advocates suspending the purchase of foreign oil for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve during periods of high prices to reduce demand, and believes the federal government should lift restrictions on offshore drilling and provide incentives to states permitting offshore exploration. Against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Calls for building new nuclear reactors. Proposed a $300 million award for "the development of a battery package that has the size, capacity, cost and power to leapfrog the commercially available plug-in hybrids or electric cars."

ABORTION/GAY MARRIAGE/STEM CELL RESEARCH
Barack Obama

    * Preserve women’s rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.
    * Opposes constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, and supports civil unions.
    * Supports expanding federal funding for embryonic stem cell research

John McCain

    * Believes Roe v. Wade must be overturned.
    * Believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman, and but opposes a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. He says individual states should decide the issue, and supports legal benefits for same-sex partners.
    * Supports federal funding for embryonic stem cell research on embryos that would otherwise be discarded or perpetually frozen.

[Avanaar]

I didn't read all the responses, but here's my viewpoint.

I will *not* vote for Obama.  If I do end up voting, it will be for McCain.  There are *way* more things I like and agree with McCain about.  No, he's not a "perfect candidate", but I'd much rather have him in office (with Sarah Palin to take over if/when his age catches up with him) than Obama/Biden.  

Many of Obama's ideas are waaaaay too socialist in nature for my taste.  If anyone can name me one socialist regime that has prospered, just let me know.  =D

Like someone else said, Obama knows how to "talk the talk."  That's why I think he may end up winning.  And I truly feel sorry for our capitalist democracy if he does.  But, in my opinion, he has **much** less executive experience than VP candidate Sarah Palin.

On a final note ...and I mentioned this one shadowserpent's journal... I understand why Obama is going to visit his ailing grandma, because family is super important to me too.  But, as a presidential candidate, don't you think his country should be equally important?  So, why then, did he chide McCain for stepping off the campaign trail to try to help with the economic crisis we faced a couple weeks ago?  I see what McCain did as a big vote for his character ...a president who will go to the aid of his country, even if he can't fix it right away.

I'm done with my rant now.  =D  

[Griggsy]

Anybody getting a loan is borrowing money for something that they couldn't afford on their own. That's not the problem, the problem was lying for so long and for so many that it came around and bit them in their tails.

ARM mortgage- $600-700 month payment.
Interest only car payment- $150 a month payment
Things like that hide a persons true Debit to Income ratio, and it enables them to over extend themselves.

I would love to think that all people are educated and understand how interest rates work, or how D:I ratios work, but the fact of the matter is that some people can't even balance their check book. Being over extended in debt has caused to downfall of the economy. The people who are doing good have minimum debt. They have the basic bills, but what they don't have is the boat bill, the four wheeler bill, the Ultra surround sound bill, the new furniture bill, or all the credit card bills. I read an article where they were saying the average american has 10-20 thousand dollars in credit card debt!? WHAT??  That alone is going to kill them financally.

The goverment, as a whole, has a few fingers in the economy, but not it's whole body. Bush cannot be blamed for the economy. I don't recall him pointing a gun, or holding me against my will while I signed the paperwork for my home. He's not to blame.

If you want to get down to the nitty-gritty, it is silly and foolish to think that todays economy is a direct result Bushs actions yesterday. It takes years to see the results of certain economic actions. It takes the average family 3 generations to get out of the lower class and move up. That would mean that my grandparents would of had to start that economic shift, followed by my parents, and now me.

People are forgetting that we have a system of checks and balances. The president cannot do anything without the support of the majority. The majority is a good mix of democrat, and republican. You can't tell me that this entire nation can place the blame on one person when we have the set up that we do.

I agree that blaming one man is not right, but every one not wanting to take the blame for themselves ins't right either.

[KCBound]

Deregulation of the banking industry and allowing joe blow small bank to lend to interest only, no money down, adjustable arm, shaky credit home buyer is a large part of what has brought the market to it's knees. We also have to look at the world market as a whole, and how everything got over inflated, the dow, gas prices, oil prices, commodity prices, home prices. China was a big user of everything ahead of the Olympics. The Olympics ended, China poof gone. Americans trimmed back their oil usage (basic supply/demand curve here) and now we have oil trading at $68 a barrel vs $149 this summer.

Right now investors are flocking to the US dollar because it is a safe haven. It's at his highest value in 18 months. The world knows that America will get through this, and they will be through it before Asia and Europe. Free markets work. Sometimes they need help, but they do work.

The Commander in Chief is responsible for picking cabinet memebers that will do a good job. Which leads me back to Paulson. Without him and the bailout plan, we'd all be sitting on the street. We were in such a credit situation that if something hadn't been done we would have not been able to use credit or debit cards. Banks would have fallen over like dominos. It's still going to happen.

You need to do your own research. Don't rely on CNN (liberal), Fox (conservative) or the local newspaper as your only source of information. Get out there and educate yourselves. Poke around on Bloomberg or the Wall Street Journal websites. Read what reliable political bloggers have to say, check facts. Get on the websites of the candidates.

[Atia_Julii]

I think you're wrong when you say Bush had nothing to do with the economy.  I think we ALL had something to do with the economy.  The president, whoever is in office, always has a responsibility with what goes right and what goes wrong in this country.  The VP, every member of Congress has something to do with the economy.  The greedy Wall Street Execs are partially responsible, the lending companies, and of course, the people who borrowed more than they could pay are responsible.  We are ALL responsible, and the finger pointing needs to end.

[Griggsy]

My point was the people making minimum wage should have never gotten approved for a home loan. I have lots of friends that work at Target, Kohls, and Wal-Mart, but those making minimum wage shouldn't even be looking into purchasing a new home. That doesn't mean that they don't deserve one, but based off of bank statements they simply can't afford one.

Thanks to the 'banks' who created interest only loans, and ARM's we have this massive problem on our hands.

I agree to a point that homeowners are innocent bystanders, but only certain homeowners.

I live in the Queen Creek, AZ area, and for the last 15 years homes have been going up like corn crops. In the mid to late 90's a new home was $68K-70K ten years the exact same home was running $220K. The  question I always had as a teenager was where are all these people coming from that are buying the houses. We would of had to have 2000 people moving into the Phoenix Metro area each day in order to fill the fill all the new houses.

The answer was that people who should have never been approved were approved and now the same new houseing devolpments sit with 60-70% of them empty.

Or, my personal favorite is when a neighborhood that was renter-denied suddenly is able to rent out all of the empty houses, and the neighborhoods suddenly go down the tiolet. My sisters neighborhood has done that exact thing. It is bound to happen when you open up higher income houses to lower income people. Now before you get all upset at me think about it. Drive through a lower income area, downtown Detriot, Downtown LA, Central Phoenix. . . .

It isn't fair for those homeowners who did things correctly. Saved, and skimped on other luxeries to afford a down payments. We are the innocent bystanders in all of this. The middle class always seems to be the innocent bystanders, and also the ones that clean up the mess.

Putting Obama isn't going to solve anything. The reason I say that is that although Bush had nothing to do with the economy, Obama wants to make a socialized economy and that is a bad idea. Our economy works, and it will right itself if the goverment takes it's hands out of it. Laissez-Faire!!

As for abortion- Against it. Unless it was rape, insest, or the mother in is danger. Those babies did nothing wrong to deserve that. Abortion shouldn't be used as a scape goat. I like to live under a rock, and think that it just doesn't happen. Partial Birth abortions- sick and disscusting. That is flat out murder.

Gay rights- Give them a lawful agreement that they can have the benifits of marriage, but never in this life time can I call it a marriage. Marriage is between man and women. I believe in God, and the bible and I can not agree with it. I do not disagree with the constitution about you needing equal rights, but that's all you get. Why do you have to call it a marriage?

Any how I'm hungry and can't rant anymore. . .

[Atia_Julii]

I just read the CNN news story of the day.  It says "Homeowners innocent bystanders." Just wondering who is correct.

[Atia_Julii]

Wow! I agree with Mumita completely.  It's one thing to have a political argument, but to "spew" such lies about both candidates is repulsive and ignorant to me.  And to blame one political party for what is happening to our country is frankly. . . STUPID.  That's right, I'm calling anyone who places ALL blame on the other party STUPID.  

Both candidates have their strengths, and both have areas they need to work on.  Neither candidate is a bad person, and neither alone will cause the destruction of this country.  Neither candidate is SCARY, and I think it's sad that all some people can articulate about OBAMA is that he's scary.  Come on. . . you can speak more on that?

Vote on the issues. . . Quit contributing to the complete DIVISIVENESS that is ruining this country.  Don't not vote for someone because you don't like their name. . . (can you say stupid and ignorant) and don't not vote for someone because you have misinformation about their insurance plan.  Get the facts, and vote on the issues.

With that being said. . . I am pro-choice, pro gay marriage, pro social programs. . . I'll let you all guess which candidate I'll vote for because of the ISSUES.