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"I love you" doesn't mean much if you don't *feel* it.
If you leave, don't feel petty about it because it's over sex. It's over his feelings and respect for you. As you've mentioned, he continues to lie about this. I wouldn't bother with someone who lied to me over little things - I'd be inclined not to trust them with bigger things. And that doesn't make for a very good relationship or a partner. Good luck!
I saw your post down the board about wanting to possibly join the Peace Corps, which is a really cool idea, but it almost sounds like that's more of a barrier to leaving because it's a "grand plan". All you need now is a little teeny plan - find an apartment, and move out, and then get on with grander goals.
Best wishes.
Good luck and best wishes!
MissRambo : )
I've been with my boyfriend for only 5 months now. He is very quiet about everything it seems, I feel like I don't know him sometimes. I got on his computer for the first time a couple weeks ago, and felt as if he was hiding something, or there'd be something I wouldn't like on there.
I browsed through his pictures and found an album called "jennifer", his ex... with nothing but pictures of her. He has a beautiful daughter with her, and they are no longer together. Anyways, in this album I found quite a few naked photos of her. I threw up...it made me feel disgusted with him. Why would he still have that on his comp? So my head tells me he "whacks off" and thinks of her, or looks at her pics. The thing is porn is okay with me, if you limit yourself....he looks a lot. And now that I feel I can't trust him, I don't want to move in . I'm supposed to move in at the end of this month. When he tells me he looked at porn, he usually looks like he feels guilty... Which obviously says he feels he's doing something wrong...All I know is I don't like who I'm getting to know. Trouble is, I'm pregnant now. And things have been really different now...he looks at more porn as well!
Ugh...Men are worthless
I found out that he had cheated on his last long term relationship with his ex!
So.....I obviously don't trust him.
I would like to say I'm an Addictions Counselor, that being said porn addiction is greatly being considered much more of a compulsion than an addiction but for this conversation (since I'm not getting paid and about to give my personal opinion we will call it addiction for the sake of argument)
People who are addicted to anything "Lie" and you are in denial or maybe lying yourself AND him if you say "the porn doesn't matter the lying does", the porn is the problem otherwise you wouldn't say "other than that he is perfect for me" or he would lie about other things.
You say its the lying because its easier to defend that view point than that its the porn that matters. but realistically you backed him in the corner of course he's going to lie.
As far as you having morals... morals are personal rules we try our best to live by not rules we try to force on our spouse. that being said your boyfriend has a lying moral and not a porn moral that you have, that's why you turn this into a lying thing, a very intricate manipulation mastered by some of the woman above i see, If you do it right you can unknowingly manipulate someone into a situation where they lie and I see that here so yes i am saying it is your fault he is lying. have you ever said you were going on a diet? did you slip back or eat chocolate, were you lying about the diet? now imagine if you ate chocolate and you boyfriend freaked out and was very devastated if you slipped on the diet. even worse if when you slipped you felt so bad you gave up and ate whatever you wanted. imagine if he said you were never allowed to eat chocolate again ever, (or pizza, or burgers, or french fries and ice cream, ever) most would say he was a "bad" man for controlling you and not accepting you the way you are. If he expected you at a certain weight and you just couldn't maintain it, the guilt would be bad, if you really loved him and didn't want to loose him, chances are you would not bring it up and maybe lie in fear you would anger him or loose him.
Yes food addiction/ compulsion is a problem much related to the areas of the brain that sex addiction/ porn addiction is. the guilt is the same, the social stigma in many cases is worse for the porn addict. however I'm still not convinced he is a porn "addict". if it causes problems at work (late, tired from staying up all night) or loose jobs, if it causes legal problems, financial problems, if he is masturbating excessively (like 5-10x a day), if it has steadily increased (tolerance), withdrawal, looking longer than he intended, giving up responsibilities, leisure activities.. etc then its a problem, if he does it on his own personal time and it causes no problems for him other than you get angry, then its not an addiction, maybe abusing porn but not an addiction. in the case it is an addiction then you should have a third party help him with it not you. you trying to get him to stop is like discussing a penis problem with your mom... if your mom asks you about a penis problem, you just lie and that's there is all there is to it. true addictions are not the fault of the addict (people gave that thought up once we figured out some brain chemistry quite a few yrs back). however it can be worked through just not by you and you watching over him will probably increase guilt and increase the need for the porn.
NOW, (deep breath) if its not an addiction.
I find it funny that you want to be mad about the lying that is your fault and not be mad at the porn which has nothing to do with you. anyway you have to understand that most males don't seek porn because anything is wrong in the relationship, they seek it because men are visually stimulated creatures, porn literally turns them on in ways that most females can not understand, just as women are emotionally sexual creatures and holding them, loving them and loveingly caressing them turn them on in ways men rarely understand. Some women think that if a guy likes porn then they are not enough for them and this, time and again has proven Not to be the case and so so often tends to be a personal issue and an esteem issue that anger and ultimatums tend to worsen than improve.
God, I need to write book instead of replying on here, but my advice for you is no you are not wrong for forgiving him, yes you are wrong for playing a guilt card because that makes it worse, the bottom line is that if it is a problem for him then he needs to seek out help for it but not from you, if it is your problem that he looks at porn then you need to seek help not from him. Remember the two statements are quite equally false "if he loves me enough he will stop" and "if she loves me enough she will live with it". You can only change one person in the world and it is yourself, you have the choice to live with it, to leave him or to be supportive of him if he decides to quit for himself (which tends to be a time between relapses gets bigger and bigger, not a quit today type of thing) but to think he will not lie about it to you is unreasonable and you will see this behavior repeated if you expect him to just "stop" or apply guilt to this problem. but whatever you decide has to come from you, you will not find the answers on here, no one know how much you two love each other, how much you are willing to stand by him even if he does slip up, or how much warped harm his behaviors will have on your (seeming fragile) self esteem trying to accept him for how he is.
now about leaving, if that's what you have decided, you must just do it. time and time again I talk to women in your position who have decided to leave and put it off but when they do, they say it was hard but wish they would have just DONE it long ago. if you have made the decision then do it. figure out the rest later, figure out where you are going, what you are doing today, the longer you put if off the longer you will regret waiting. plus the hardest thing for a guy to deal with after you do leave is how long has she wanted to leave but didn't. if you want to leave, do him a favor and yourself one and go, its never as hard as you expect it to be.
i want to leave him but one of my biggest fears is that i'll end up with another person just like him or worse...or that i'll be alone for the rest of my life....Am I going to attract the same type of guy over and over again because i may be the root to the problem?
i want to leave him but i want to make sure i'm making the right decision before i do. The worst thing about this whole thing is that he google "teen porn" or "teenies" ???? and he's 28...He seems like the type that will drop you and head for a younger one as soon as you hit ripe age and he is no longer visually stimulated by your appearance, but then again who am i to judge???? help?
I am in the same situation. I love my bf and been with him for over 8 months. I found soooo much porn and asian porn and butt porn and I am white and not into the butt stuff. I found it on his computer after 2-3 months of dating by looking at his history. It was every day like 20 websites and even right before I would come over. He has always taken forever to get off, but I thought and he says that it has always been like that. I believed him but I do think that b/c he watched porn so much, making love to just me doesn't cut it and afraid I will never satifiy him. I give it to him every night. It is not like I am deprieving him at all. I am attactive and have a great body. It has made me insecure now about myself and hate that.
I told him how it makes me feel and that it is a deal breaker for me. He said he loved me and it is worth giving up for me and said he was addicted to it and done it for over 13 years and his dad and bro did it as well. He turned off his internet at his place and has made me feel guilty about taking that away from him and has resentment built up against me these past 5 months. We almost broke up a few weeks ago b/c of the lack of intimacy and how he wasn't really affectionate to me. We would do it but it was always about him getting off and from behind. It was like he was watching a porn and that is what he thinks making love is. It has gotten better the last 2 weeks, but I am afraid that he will go back to his old ways and if we ever do get married that I will deal with this the rest of my life.
I am also afriad if I leave him that all guys will do it and deal with this again. Maybe not to the extent to what he was doing, everyday even before I would come over to spend the night, but some. My ex fiance did it and upset me as well. Any advise. Am I crazy to think there are good, attractive guys who don't look at it?
Almost every single guy that I know likes to look at porn, including me. That is the reality whether people like it or not. The internet revolutionized it and made it too easy for us men to access for free in our own homes / apartments. No need to go to the store or movie theater.
I used to look at / watch it in private until my wife finally complained that she didnt like it and that if I wanted to see it I should involve her. Well at first I felt uncomfortable about it. Something that I liked for myself I now had to share with her. And I felt uncomfortable about her watching men. But then the attraction to porn started to diminish a bit, as if it being out the open made it less fun.
Now I do still like to look at porn, but certainly not as much. I dont push it in her face, but it isnt a huge secret either. I dont look at it unless she is out or there is an understood agreement that "she is going to bed and I am not".
The thing is, I have a much higher sex drive than her. She knows that I will hold out and not look at it if I think there is the slightest chance that we are going to fool around. And she knows that I would take her any time of the day over it and throw it out in a second if I have the chance.
I don't really think i can lives with this guy in my rest of life as he is not reliable...how can i bet whole of my life on him...i am 27 yrs old, i still have chance to meet someone nice and really love me. But the problem is, we both need to pay the mortgage and the property is under his name. And also i have been with him since i was 19...i get used to it...if because of that (porn), i leave him....am i right? i am not very sure do i love him or not or does he love me or may be we have been together 8 years...might be we just forgot what is Love and respect. If i still be with him, i am sure i won't respect him anymore...or that the things he did will struck in my heart a long time...will we both happy for that?
What should i do? Please....
I do not consider looking at porn cheating, nor does my wife. And I dont think that most of my friends (male or female / single or married) think it is cheating either. What you have described above might be getting excessive and should be reduced a little or a lot.
The point is, if you leave your boyfriends / husbands, it is extremely likely that the next guy you find will also like to look at porn. And the next guy, and the next guy, .....
I think you will have a very hard time finding a man that satisfys your requirements. I think you are better off working with your man and yourself (with counseling if necessary) to understand each other better and find a middle ground.
First of all, stop snooping on your man’s computers! If you trust him not to cheat, then there is no reason for it, and if you don’t trust him, then that relationship will fail anyways, so leave. Not once in my life have I snoped around my bf’s phone or computer, it’s personal, I wouldn’t want them to check on me, so I don’t check on them. When you get married it doesn’t mean you should surrender all personal space to your spouse. If your relationship is other wise good, why look for problems?
Second of all, how insecure are you??? Guys look at other girls having sex on their computers, so what?? They are not touching them! And they never will. It’s called a fantasy. None of you ever fantasized about a hot guy? Ever? Most guys wouldn’t want to have sex with a porn star anyway, or date one, as they want their woman to be “clean” (by clean I mean not a 100 sex partners) and only belong to them. But they do get turned on by watching it, and masturbate privately. They are not hurting anyone! Women allow themselves to be hurt by this when they make it about themselves. It’s not about you. It’s about your mans private world. Everyone should have some privacy left, at least in their own heads. So stop being so insecure and think that you are unattractive if your man watches porn, it really has nothing to do with you and is not a reflection on your looks.
If your man stopped having sex with you and prefers to watch porn alone THEN you should worry. But only then.
If your relationship is perfect in every way, except for the porn thing, then it’s not a problem at all.
If you want a guy who has never laid eyes on porn and will never be interested in it, I suggest to look for a man that is Amish or is crazy religious and views porn as a sin.
Looking up “teen” porn doesn’t mean his a *********. Porn has many categories, you have to be 18 to legally do porn and if its up on a website those girls ARE 18. Of course there is ton of illegal porn out there and if a guy is looking at kiddie porn, then you definetly should worry. “teen” just means younger looking girls. Would you want to see senior citizens have sex? I wouldn’t. And again it doesn’t mean he doesn’t find you (his gf or wife) attractive anymore. For example, I LOVE my car, but it doesn’t mean I don’t like to look at the new shiny expensive models and say “wow”.
For the original poster – disconnect you cable, internet and phone. Financial and porn problem solved. Plus since there will be nothing else to do at home, you will be forced to spend quality time together without other distractions and maybe will see each other in a new light and maybe will rebound.
I know my post will bring h ell on me, but I’m sticking to my opinion. There is nothing wrong with looking at porn!
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it ruins relationships and marriages if someone truely loves you they wouldnt have to look at naked people..i would never my boyfriend is the center of my world hes the only one i day dream about and fantize ..idk maybe i need to cut the **** out because theres nobody i ever known that is even close to being like me. im so faithful loyal loving caring nice all the time never bitchy or cranky.. seems to me like im the perfect girl i never seem to find the perfect guy, my guy is perfect the only bad thing is the porno..i wouldn't even get as mad if he limited it but the fact that he watches it 4 or 3 even 5 times out of the week that hurts me deeply i couldnt understand if i was away and not around for a week or on vacation i dont mind then because i rather him jerk off then actually stick his **** in some ******* vagina im very lenient but he still cant control himself and limit himself..hmm i wonder when he does have sex with me is he thinking about those porno Sluts probably yeah, w,e what goes around comes around.