Rockrose out of line?

[wisewithage]

I married and raised children with the same wonderful man. And yes I hope my children all stay married. But I have to say Rockrose that I am taken back by how you judge people. It makes me wonder if you are trying to convince yourself and the world that you are actually a happy person. And I think it is terrible that you verbally abuse people that are asking for help. If your parents where fine examples for marriage they should have shown you manners.  

[RockRose]

Re-read my posts.  I'm not verbally abusing anyone.  

This is a public discussion.  There are girls here who have no idea that boys will get them pregnant,  and pretend to be committed,  but will leave them stuck with a child.  

I'm trying to be informative.  If that's bad manners,  so be it.  I've worked for years with young teenage moms,  and I've seen the tragedies that occur when girls think they can rely on a man they aren't married to,  to stick with them.

Been there,  seen that isn't true.  SOMEONE has to say that on this board,  and several of us do.  Girls never see the truck coming that runs over them on the highway.  They never see the pain and suffering they are about to experience by believing some young man they aren't married to,  who says I'll be with you,  I'll support you,  bla bla bla.

If it takes telling them that to maybe educate a few young women,  I"m willing to do it.  

Sorry that yelling at girls to get out of the middle of the street sounds "rude" to you.  Actually,  when I was a child riding my bike down the middle of the street, I thought moms who rolled their windows down and told me to get out of the road,  I was in danger,  sounded "rude".  

Grow up.

[RockRose]

BWT,  "wise with age",  my guess is you're about 21.

[wisewithage]

I wish I were 21. I'd even settle for 41 and healthy. As a mother I would be extremely saddened if one of my daughters ever snubbed her nose at anyone that needed help - telling that them we are better than them because we come from a family of happy marriages. It's like the ones that go to church with me and all you hear before the mass is them talking about everyone. Roserose I am sorry but I think you do more harm than good. I only hope that when I pass, my daughters never need advice and run into the likes of you.  

[RockRose]

Needed help?  You have no idea what I do.  I spend a significant portion of my time with teen moms, and moms who need free clothing for their children.

Girls need to know what I am saying.  You can sit there and say oh just be nice,  and then they'd never hear the truth.  Most girls won't accept the truth,  but some will heear it and listen,  and that's what I'm here for.

Best wishes.

[wisewithage]

[wisewithage]

If you were here for good you'd guide the girls without criticing them and putting them down. It's like someone working a soup kitchen and telling the people while handing out soup "If you were like me and got your college degree you would not need this - you could afford to eat at the Waldorf. If your parents taught you education was important you would have held yourself up to that...now your children will be unedaucated and their children too!!!" I've read alot of your posts and must say for someone that is here for good, not too many people see it that way. I think you are here to make yourself feel better about yourself. I think there is something terribly missing in your life and you hide behind a false happy face. Hopefully I am wrong as that is sadder than any of the posters problems. But do you really think you do any good here?

[wisewithage]

I am off to bed - I seriously will pray for you

[RockRose]

Sometimes,  you have to speak sharply.  Sometimes,  you have to hug and say I hope you'll be okay.  I do both on the internet,  and I do both in real life.

I would guess you don't do this like  I do,  "wise".    

Your opinion is as welcome as anyone's here,  you're as welcome to post as I am.

I'm out of this thread.  I'm up to here (indicates forehead) with people who think the best thing to do is just accept everything,  or just say you're doing great.

Often,  girls are off track and no one tells them that because they fear people like you who think they are "rude".

[RockRose]

WWA - this is my last post in this thread.  Thank you for praying for me,  if you meant that seriously.   I mean that seriously to you.  

I don't know you,  you don't know me,  and I think you would be very surprised to meet me in person and see what I do.

Good bye.  I won't post to you again.  

[RockRose]

oops,  sorry,  this is actually my last post.  

WWA,  what a snotty post you had about the Waldorf.  Really,  that's from you,  and not from me.  Those are your words,  and I don't think you'll find anything remotely resembling that snottiness in my posts.  

You are viewing me through your  snobbish eyes.  You have no idea,  at all,  what I do.  I have an idea that you are avery young woman,  and a snob who is trying to act like she cares.

Eeyikes.  

[sara......]

I'm sorry wisewithage, but I have to disagree with you. People post on this forum to get advice. If all you got was pats on the head or 'you're doing great'  - well this can be comforting, but is not particuarly helpful. Sometimes we don't always like or agree what advice/views we get, but these would still get you thinking about an aspect of your issue you may not have contemplated. My partner is a psychologist and when people get angry with what he says they are also the same ones that see him for years and get the most out of it because he's hit a nerve because some aspect of what hes said is true. I know that this isn't always the case but can you see the logic with that? I know if I discuss an issue with my friends, its the advice thats sometimes hard to hear that in retrospect helped the most. So personally, I find RockRose (and there are a few others too) quite helpful and also, sorry.......I would be qutie embarrased to give myself the title "wise" !! And please remember, this is just my opinion, which is what forums are all about! Sara.

[wisewithage]

It  is you that is a snob and my post did just what it was meant to do - show you how you sound. I gave you another example of what someone on a high horse would say and that you understood - just as you should not think you are better than someone because you went to school; you should not think you are better than someone because you are married.

[wisewithage]

I do agree with you. Some of the best advice and best guidance I gave me children certainly did not please them. But it is the manner in which it is given. I am sure your husband does not belittle his patients - but rather delivers his message in a positive way. A way in which they'll take his advice and better themselves. I think they way she speaks is hurtful and does more harm than good.

[wisewithage]

I keep going back to the married topic but what about the single and working Moms that are attacked on posts. If a woman is single or needs to work why attack her? I see the girl next door to me. That poor thing leaves every morning with the baby and returns at night looking half dead. But I also see her on the week-end playing in the yard. She is a good woman and Mother and doing her best. When our husbands went to war and did not return, many woman raised fine children alone. I do not lean over the gate and tell her she messed up but I do go next door when I cooked a little something extra that she can heat up and not have to cook that night. And when we talk I do tell her to wait to find a good man that will love her and the baby - I want her to know that there could be a beautiful life ahead and not to continue to make poor choices. Well I said my peace. Good day.

[bip]

I think RockRose is very nice and she is a out spoken person . If you dont like what people say on this forum you  shouldnt be posting here.  You have to except that.  that is my opnion

[jd1419]

You seem to be onlypicking on RockRose--do you have a beef with judt her words--or do you not like anyone telling people to grow up and get their lives on track---I usually try and be nice to people on the forum but my god lately it has been I have been with this guy for a few weeks and now I am pg--what do I do?  Well the first thing they should have done is gotten protection--they would not be in the boat they are in..secondly they need to figure out a game plan for their life minus any man who jumped in the sack with them the first weke they were together--you know they were both just after a piece of a$$...now they have problems--this is not to say that all young single mothers out there are not doing a good job there are many just as their are many married women doing an awful job and would be better off withou their children.  Some of these people come on this site so clueless as to what life is about--is our society not teaching proper upbringing and eduaction to anyone these days---I don't know how many times they are getting on here about how they got pg--or can I be pg with my period---I believe most of the time RR does give sound advice and when you are typing sometimes you do not totally think about how it sounds in writing..you can not convey feelings on the net just words--and an opinion is just that an opinion---if you feel RR is not up to your level then do not read her posts.

[bip]

I agree with you 100 percent she is only picking on Rock Rose.......

[jim62]

You may well have the age, but I think you missed out on the wise.  The ignorance in today's world is overwhelming.  As long as no one has the guts to speak out, it will stay that way.  People need guidance, and unfortunately, few get it at home any more.  So, it's up to people like Rockrose (and me) to speak out in an attempt to help them.

You are waaaay out of line with your criticism of Rockrose.  Just keep them blinders on, and maybe all the problems will just evaporate.  But probably not !!

[mayflowers]

Have you posted on here recently?  I don't see that you have responded to anyone's posts. Sounds like you have good strong opinions about situations.  This forum needs that.  Answer people!!!!

At least RR is taking the time and giving her opinion to some of the posters.  

I think it's great to hear different opinions abt a situation. If someone doesn't like a certain opinion, by all means, stand up for what you believe.  For me personally, I like being challenged.  

[chellybeans]

this forum is yet another absurd attack. tell me wisewithage, where was the point or wisdom in initiating a verbal attack on someone who clearly cares geuinely enough about the topics she posts on.

if you take the time to read her posts you'll see that her answers are well worded and thought out, that she  posts with love in her mind. she isn't condemning anyone. she is trying to help them see the other side of the coin. the grass is not always greener and people need to know that before they make rash decisions. i hope people like RockRose have the gumption to answer my posts. otherwise, what's the point in asking for advice?

Rose...don't ever feel the need to sugar coat your words to me. i prefer blatant honesty just like the rest of the adults. :)

[Happy2girls]

I do not think RockRose is out of line.  I generally agree with what she has to say, sometimes I do not but I defend her right to say it just as I defend anyone elses to not agree.  This is after all a free and public forum.  I mean why bother asking questions on a public forum if you only want people who are going to fluff your pillow answering.  

[bip]

I think this ladie is just starting trouble and she has nothing better to you. I feel you dont like RR dont post on here  anymore cause you have no idea what your talking about.  Believe me I could be so harsh to you but I wont....

[mami1323]

I think wisewithage was defending me.  RockRose does give good advice but she tends to cram marriage down everyone's throat.  If people choose to live a different lifestyle than what she thinks is the "better" lifestyle, she attacks them saying that they don't know any better.  I don't always have to agree with everyone but my original point was to say that not every marriage is a good one.  I grew up with a single mother who was 28 years old when she had me and my father was an alcoholic who decided not to be in the picture.  My point is should my mom have been married to my dad and subjected me to an abusive childhood just because society says she marriage is the way to go.  Once I brought this up RockRose decided that because my mom wasn't married than I didn't know what I was missing and that's why I'm not married and pregnant.  I am getting married but my son came first.  Who cares?  I'm 30 years old and am ready to have this child.  Should I give him up because I'm not married?  So you see ladies, this is how the entire thing started.  I don't think wisewithage was trying to start trouble, she's just stating her opinion just like RockRose does.  To each his/her own, right?

[bip]

Ya,   I think everyone has there own opnion I just didnt like when she just pointed out to RR and picking on her....

[laura1977]

you know I use to post on women health forum, but I stopped because I couldn't handle all the teens posting "could I be pregnant" "can I get pregnant on my period" and all that nice stuff.  I personally wrote a post telling everyone I couldn't be on that forum anymore because I didn't agree with older females telling teens about sex and what and what not to do.  I am a little ol fashioned, and I believe that we as adults should be telling these girls not to have sex and to respect their bodies, and to study hard.  
The thing is when I wrote that on the forum a teen girl said she was sad for me to leave because I was such a help to young girls.  This girl is in high school by the way.
But with that said I am just talking about young teen girls that are in middle school and high school.  Heck there was some females on there that were 12 and 13 having sex and getting pregnant.  Oh boy!

[mami1323]

I think maybe she pointed her out because she was the one who was telling me that I wasn't correct for my decisions in life.  

laura - I completely understand sometimes being harsh towards teenagers who don't know any better.  Geez, I've told a few of them on this forum that they were crazy to think of pregnancy at their age.  But I'm 30 and am educated and have always been very responsible sexually, to be told that I wasn't making the "right" decision, is really frustrating.  I didn't get pregnant by accident, we had planned it when we decided to get married but it took us over a year and we thought we couldn't get pregnant.  We forgot about it and focused on our wedding plans and then as we were in the middle of booking the hall, buying the dress, putting deposits down, our little man decided hey I'm going to come and ruin your plans.  We thought that we couldn't get pregnant so that's why it came as a surprise.  To us he's a miracle, so that's why I found it really offensive that I was told that I wasn't doing things the right way.  To me, I'm just happy knowing that I was able to have him.  I didn't expect RockRose to know this but that's why sometimes you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.

[RockRose]

Your little man "decided" to come "ruin your plans"?  

I'm not judging anything by it's cover,  mami,  I'm reading what you're saying and am amazed at your perspective.

[bip]

laura1977- I know what you mean about the teenagers. So scared when My son is a teenager I want him to talk to me about everything not go on a forum for advise.  I have a good relationship with my 10 year old .  Always tell him come to me anything you need to talk to.....

[mami1323]

I was being silly.  I don't mean it as an oh my gosh he ruined everything.  I am thrilled for him.  What is your deal with me?  You really must have something against me to constantly be picking at certain things that I say.  Maybe you need to re-evaluate things in your life.

[mami1323]

I think it's great that you have such open communication with your son.  They should be able to feel comfortable enough to come to their parents with their problems and concerns.

[RockRose]

I don't have anything against you,  mami,  as much as honestly my eyes go boioioioioing like cartoon eyes when I read your posts.  You say things so backwards,  exactly backwards from how I think that your words just grab me.

Like,  a chicken is just an eggs way of making more eggs.  I love that saying because it's exactly backwards.

For you to CANCEL your wedding because you are pregnant just makes me astounded.  

Like this.   What if you were talking to some girl and she said she was about to graduate from high school but she just had one more test to take and didn't take it yet.  Because her hair got all messed up in a bad color job and had to be cut short.  She's bought the cap and gown,  and was planning to wear her hair in a long french braid down her back and curl tendrils around the cap on her forehead.  NOW,  look at me,  she says,  my hair looks like ****,  there's no point in me graduating because I won't have the lovely braid down my back.  Maybe I'll take the test later,  probably will,  once my hair looks better,  and I'll get my high school diploma.

That's what you sound like to me.  And you are reading these posts as if I'm screaming shrilly at you,  but really I'm kind of sitting here with a small smile on my face saying "REALLY? ??  you think like that?

I've never heard anyone talk like  you do,  is all.

Carry on.

[laura1977]

heck I have two little girls 5 and 2.  I AM FREEKED OUT to say the least about how things are going to be when they get older.
Heck I am only 29 and it makes me so mad to see teens doing what they are doing.  Teen girls seem to be listening to teen boys on sexual advice.  Boy, that is just stupid.

I am a firm believer about single moms.  I think they are very very strong and determined.  Do I believe that a child should have two parents?  Yes, as long as both parents are good for the child.  Do I believe just because a female gets pregnant that she should marry that guy?  NO!

mami1323- You shouldn't have to make excuses about yourself to anyone.  You are your own person and as long as your child is loved and cared for, then my dear your doing a great job.  
My views may not be your views, but the thing is who really cares?  I don't care if a child is raised by people that aren't married, by people that are married, by single moms, by single dads, as long as a child is LOVED isn't that what is important?  So don't let anyone make you think you did something wrong.

[mami1323]

RockRose - to me it's not backwards because I am happy with the man I'm with and to be honest it really didn't matter to me when we got married.  I have a friend who has been with her husband for 12 years and now after they decided to have a baby, her marriage is falling apart.  So you see, it's not always about what's right and wrong, because that's society putting that pressure in there.  We are married, just without the papers and the vows.  It's not as important to us and giving our son love and a caring home.  Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.  You think of me what you may, I believe that I give great advice to people on this forum and really don't need to explain my life decisions to you.

laura - thank you for your words.  I appreciate the support.  Sometimes I think people get so closed minded and think things need to be done a certain way.  They forget the real important things in life.  I think that you are a very bright and good hearted woman and look forward to seeing your advice more and more on this forum.  Women's health doesn't know what they lost out on.

[laura1977]

You know I think part of the trouble on this forum is the age difference of some ladies.  The older ladies grew up knowing you don't get pregnant till you are married.  Then you have the young ladies like my age 29 or so that grew up pretty much the same way except we did stuff but just didn't tell our parents.  haha
Then you have the young girls 12-16 that shouldn't be doing stuff to get them pregnant because I think everyone will agree they are just too young.

I personally won't give a view about me not agreeing as long as it doesn't involve a person cheating on their spouse which I gotta say I totally disagree with.
Or the young school aged girls having sex and listening to their boyfriends when they say you can't get pregnant on your period, or I'll pull out, or blah blah blah.  
On those topics I put my voice out and it is known.  

[bip]

LADIES    YOU ARE ALL WONDERFUL LETS ALL GET ALONG.....

[laura1977]

here here bip

[ksanden]

what is up with all the fighting. cant we all just get along its not a post to fight with pple its post stuff to get advice on stuff. take it or leave. its not high school lets stop playing kid games and all get a long sorry just want to think.
ksanden

[jim62]

Well heck.  I see the fight is over.  Sorry I missed the end stage of it.  But..................

I have got to say that I too, have never seen or heard such an absurd perspective on life as yours.

No, things don't necessarily have to be done a "certain way". but there is a definite right way and a definite wrong way.  A lot of people try to do the right thing.

I suppose maybe you are just not one of them.

Go in peace, and lotsa luck.  I thinks you're gonna need it.

[mami1323]

jim the fight is over.  I don't need your luck.  Just keep standing on your pedestal if you think you're perfect.

[mami1323]

It's funny how you just see people come on to this forum just to argue.  Never do they give advice, they just come on to egg people on.  Not referring to RockRose, I do agree with her a lot of times and think that she does give decent advice.  I just don't agree with some of her thoughts but I was done arguing about everything.  

[laura1977]

Gotta say what you just put on here is what started the fight to begin with.  Why on earth did you find the need to put down mami1323?  Leave her alone.

[bip]

See what you started.  You can just post on here and start with RR and then now everyone started fighting with each other. This forum is good. I advise you if you dont like people advice I wouldnt either bothering posting on here anymore.   Ill show you harsh who do you think you are? I never seen you on here before.  I think your very immature you dont have nothing better to do just harm on people.  What is wrong with you?  How old are you?  

YOU MAKE ME AO ANGRY.....I cant stand people like you. GROW UP

[laura1977]

You know heres something that happened to me a couple of weeks ago.  I am 29 so I am not young but I was pulling into a parking spot at the hospital and I park toward the back so I can pull all the way through the parking spot so when I get my little girls stroller out, I'm not gonna get hit by a car.  Well anyways.  I had my car already in park and I guess a lady in a van didn't see me and was trying to pull in there, well she started yelling at me and cussing at me.  Then I saw her up in the docs office, she then decided that she would tell me that's whats wrong with society these days you kids don't care about anyone but yourselves?  I AM 29.  haha
But anyways I was looking out for what was best for my daughter so she wouldn't get hit because people don't pay attention in parking lots.  Then a60 something yearold woman thought it was okay to cuss me out in front of my child.  So what I am getting at who was making a fool of themselves?  Me for looking out for my daughter or that lady who was making a seen over nothing?  
Thats kind of what happened with mami1323 she was discussing what was good for her, and people shouldn't make a seen over it.

[mami1323]

Thanks laura...you try to share your stories and personal opinions on here and you get bashed for it.  I don't agree with everyone on here but I certainly wouldn't make personal attacks.  I just wanted to share my experiences growing up and how I felt.  I don't expect everyone to agree with my choices and lifestyle but if everyone lived the same type of lives this world would be a boring place.  I'm very happy with my decisions and I love my fiance and can't wait to meet my son.  That's all that really matters, I know that he's going to be loved and I'm going to try my darndest to give him a good life.  

[bip]

mamil133- Dont listen to people they need to grow up...

laura1977-Tell me about it wisewithage starts this hole thing and now the other is picking on her. GEE get a life. This forum is not to fight its too help people..

jim62--jim62  Get off the forum if you are going to start with MAMIL1323 she didnt do anything wrong to you  LEAVE HER ALONE.....

[mami1323]

It's ok hon.  Don't worry about it.  Tomorrow will be another thing to argue about and this will be old news.  Don't let it get you stressed.  I've been on this forum for a while now and nothing is going to change that.  RockRose and I will continue to give the advice we think is best.  If we don't agree than we don't agree.  I've met a lot of nice women here and have appreciated their advice.  

[laura1977]

bip - so are you a stay at home mom too?

[mami1323]

I wish I could stay at home.  Do you work from home for extra income?  I was looking into some options to stay at home but know that we need the second income.

[laura1977]

no i don't work.  i have stayed at home for about 5 and half years now.  not by choice at first.  my first daughter was born with breathing issues, and bad colic.  so i couldn't go back to work.  well, my husband did bankruptcy 5 years ago to get rid of any bills we didn't need.  We got to re a firm on our home since we weren't late, and we did that to our cars.  We live very light, we don't buy a bunch of stuff not needed.  My husband has a better job at Alcoa now so it isn't so hard.  That company is everywhere in the world.  It was hard first 4 years we were married, but we made it through.  I would love to be able to do something part time, but I don't see how because my husband works swing shift.

[laura1977]

boy did i just get personal or what.  hehehe

[mami1323]

Be careful with being personal, you may get bashed for bankruptcy...just kidding.  I know how tough it is, I declared bankruptcy a couple of years ago.  I had to, the credit card bills were overbearing.  It must be nice though getting to stay home with your children.  There are a lot of jobs that you can do from your home.  Have you looked into anything like that?  I think there was a post not too long ago on the Maternal/Child forum regarding Discovery Toys.

[jim62]

Oh my goodness.  I really hate to admit it, but you have now hurt my feelings.  I thought (mistakenly) that this was an open forum where different points of view could be aired.

I shall just slink away to lick my wounds and attempt to recover.

[jim62]

NOT !!!

LOL

[laura1977]

Its an open forum and your right, but you are attacking mami1323 by personally putting her name down.  Thats what makes it go too far into open forum.  

[bip]

I didnt mean to hurt your feelings too much fighting.. Too much fighting is going on.  Try not to be harsh but I get upset. Lets just all drop it..... SORRY

[mami1323]

To think jim is 63 years old.  He certainly acts mature don't you think....NOT!!!

Anyway, laura I was born in 1977 as well.  I'm actually going to be 30 next weekend.  When is your birthday?

[mami1323]

Don't feel bad, and don't back down from him.  He's trying to bully you.

[bip]

My boyz go to school during the day and I work @ nite. Im a nite supervisor @ dunkin donuts. I love there coffee before they went to school. Yes I was a home with my boyz would never let anyone watch them just family. Other than that hows yur day? Interesting here.

[laura1977]

My husband just turned 30 this past Friday.  I turn 30 on December 6th.  hahaha I'm younger then you are.............kidding.

[mami1323]

December, wow, you still have some time.  Don't worry you will catch up to me...lol.

[laura1977]

That was my other issue, I don't really have any help with my girls except for my husband and my parents.  My father still works full time though and my mother has back problems and can't lift the kids.  
Dunkin Donuts wow that would be nice to work there, I am sure I would loose my extra 20 pounds I need to loose because then I wouldn't want sweets since you have to smell them all the time.
I love coffee.  yummy
By the way I don't think jim62 was being serious when he said you hurt his feelings because he then reposted NOT.

[laura1977]

WATCH IT GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hehe

[laura1977]

Do you guys have my space accounts?

[bip]

jIM62- i TAKE MY APLOGIGY BACK GROW UP WILL YA PLEASE GO DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIFE. Im so sick and tired of people like you. Im just agnoring you......

[bip]

No I dont have your space account.  Im just agnoring jim he needs to grow up hes just trying to fume me up and Im more mature than that.

Oh ya  tHAT IS ALL i DRINK IS dUNKINS COFFEE.

dDD YA NOTICE THE  the poster who started this she hasnt responsed?

[laura1977]

your right she hasn't I wonder where she went to???????????????
I have to get off here for a min and go pick my daughter up from school.

[bip]

I have to get ready for work.  Ill be on tomorrow   When I get home I spend time with my hubby I rarely see him he told me the other day he misses me. That is so cute....

[mami1323]

Nah, no my space account but you can send me a personal email at ***@****.  Bip you can contact me there as well.  

[mami1323]

You tell him girl.  Alright, talk to you ladies soon.

[laura1977]

your email didn't show up, you have to put spaces in between everything.
heres mine for you and bip

l a u r a 1 9 7 7 @ s i g e c o m . n e t
take out the spaces

[bip]

I didnt get yur email I think it got cut off.   Write it again and Ill email you and give you mine....

[laura1977]

you can email me also.

the reason mami1323 didn't show up was because they won't let you post email addresses on here so you have to put spaces in it to get it to show up

[mami1323]

m a m i 1 3 2 3 @ a o l . c o m, hope it works.

[slow_healer]

Hey guys, if you need to rant about something that happened to you today, or fill empty space with conversation, do it on a chat program or something else better suited for that. I don't check this site to read what people think about who-knows-what. I come to see if there is any way I can help someone who is stuck. On lucky days, maybe some of my difficult experiences might prevent someone else from making the same mistakes.

However, if I have to scroll thru needless posting to get to a REAL topic for which this forum was designed, I'm going to miss the important stuff more and more.

Let's keep this forum clean, respectful, and OPEN - to all poster's questions and advice!

[laura1977]

I agree with you for the most part, but then again we can talk about other issues because we all have become little cyber friends.  You can pretty much see if a post is something you want to read or not.  You know there are alot of stay at home moms on here that enjoy talking with people.  I personally am not going to get on some forum somewhere that people are cussing and wanting to talk to me about sex.  
I don't believe it is fair to say we shouldn't talk about our days, and other things.  Heck not too many posts lately.  If you want to give advice to young girls though womens health forum would be a great place.

[April2]

I actually enjoy listening to you ladies chat! That's why I go sometimes to the maternal forum. It seems like the women over there have become very friendly with each other and chat quite a bit. There's a few that I think are pretty funny, too, so I enjoy listening to the banter, etc. Besides, it seems like they get on here more! Sometimes if I'm bored at night I get on and they're the only ones up! Must be all the pregnancy hormones, lol!
I also am a stay at home mom, Laura, although older than you, I think! It was nice meeting you all!

Did someone mention Dunkin Donuts?! Dang, now I'm craving donuts. I haven't had Dunkin Donuts in years,probably! Bip, can you bring me some? LOL! Take care, ladies!

[bip]

Im back thanks for yur emails Ill send you mine later.  Ill talk to you later my little dog wants to play... Ill be on tomorrow. I get bord cause nobody is home....


April2-  Belive me if you worked @ dunkins you would get sick of it I just luv the coffee. Any of you want coffee dont live near a Dunkins Ill be happy to send you some... That is the only coffee Ill drink....

[Trialanderror]

For chatting you can use the new messaging feature when you log in. It is really great and private.
Regarding the whole subject discussed I can only say that times have changed. Just as there is no more ONE fashion trend per decade, there is no more ONE type of life scheme to follow and I know it must be hard for anyone growing up to find their way through the jungle of choices. As an old cow with a young kid I sometimes think if I had made a better choice in chosing my husband, I would not be a single mother, but relationships can have their own dynamic at any age and suddenly your life is not as the majority. Basically, marriage has lost it`s original meaning for most people, to provide security and joy for an intact family life where usually the father was the only breadwinner. It turns out that a lot of my neighbors who seemed "so married" with kids, a house, dogs and all are still unmarried after decades of being together. I would not tie security for a family to a marriage certificate. Stability comes from within and only the couples themselves will know how strong their bond is. If they do not feel strong about having a family, no paper will make that family life any happier. That`s why the whole wedding dress issue is a moot point to me, the marriage in this case and other cases just doesn`t have much of a meaning. And that`s fine.
If I had a warning, though, I would say that single parenting can be a rocky path for a child. It takes caution on the parents` side to maintain a child`s positive perspective of the missing gender. If the dad is still in the picture, keep this relationship alive or make other efforts to expose the child to a typical male and typical female world if there is such. They need help in role modeling, even if it turns out that there is not much of a gender difference anymore. Also, be cautious about introducing a new partner into the child`s world. Take that one very slow or keep it out of the family life altogether. Moo, old cow has spoken.

[laura1977]

April2 and I want donuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you make the donuts?????????
Is that the company that has that commerical about the husband saying I already made the donuts?
hehe

[April2]

Donkin donuts rule! They are so much better than Krispy Kreme! UGH! Krispy Kreme is sickly sweet. I don't know why everybody made such a big deal about it when we got a Krispy Kreme here. People were standing outside in line for hours. No thank you. I think Dunkin Donuts are way better!

[mami1323]

I can't stand Krispy Kreme, I agree they are way too sweet.  

[bip]

Dunkind Donuts are the best......... I been working there 2 yrs now. I love it.....

[laura1977]

I hate Krispy Kreme.  They opened one here about 2 years ago, and I won't go there.  YUK YUK YUK!  


BIP BRING US SOME DONUTS...................  please!
hehehe