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I'd look at what's causing you to feel so insecure that you feel not valued by your partner. Chances are, it has nothing to do with his watching porn. My guess is that you probably would feel this way whether or not somebody is looking at x-rated material. If you are insecure about yourself in some area, start examining why. The porn might be a "trigger" for your insecurities, but those insecurities are going to be there regardless of the porn.
If it makes you feel badly, maybe the two of you can agree that he only look at it when you're not around? I think the better alternative is for you to examine why it makes you feel badly in the first place, however.
I would guess your boyfriend does it when you're not home because it's personal and embarrassing (if caught) - not to mention you don't approve of it (which he can probably already guess about you). I don't watch porn when my partner is home because I don't want him to feel rejected, but he knows I do it when he's not home because sometimes I am just plain horny. End of story.
Talk to your partner about it, and think about why it bothers you. Like the previous poster said, it's probably not the porn itself that is the real issue.
porn leads to rape..sexual abuse..hoes..slutss..etc
but unfortunately its a money making genious
thats the problem with certain countries
why even have it in the first place
imma dude..
in my culture we're not allowed to watch porn
even if i was...i still think its simply ****** up
Pornography is built up to be a terrible, sinful, and monstrous thing. While it has an ugly history, its existance reflects OUR nature as human beings. We can't blame something ugly for creating ugly in us - not when it's the other way around.
but unfortunately its a money making genious
thats the problem with certain countries
why even have it in the first place"
Show us the research. The onus is on you to show us the evidence indicating that porn leads to, well, much of anything. There's been study after study done on the effects of porn (a lot of it quite dated, like from the 1980s, when U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese went on some kind of weird legal bender and was determined to prove that porn was so harmful it should be removed from the market. I still remember that - the guy spent millions of taxpayer dollars to find out that looking at porn leads to...absolutely nothing.)
So, Ronald, show us the data. I'll be happy to take a look at it.
"imma dude.."
Good for you. I'm not. And I look at porn - magazines, videos, writing.
"in my culture we're not allowed to watch porn"
That's a shame. Singapore? I'm not familiar with the countries banning porn, but I'd be curious to know where you are.
"even if i was...i still think its simply ****** up"
Eat sour grapes much? Hey, I'll take your word for it. Yep. Uh huh. But you don't know what you're missing. :)
Now that would be a shame - to END a relationship because your S.O. looks at porn. Especially - especially - if we are talking about a habit that in no way impacts larger parts of one's life, like losing a job because of it, ignoring a partner, etc. If your partner won't have sex with you but ONLY looks at porn, then you've got a problem. Is this what you are talking about? My guess is, probably not, but you tell me. I also think you undermine your own argument with this gem:
"There are a lot of people who post about a significant other looking at porn"
Why do you think that is, BearHitch? Could it possibly be that the overall cultural mores around porn dictate a certain attitude that's been ingrained in us? Could it possibly be that we as women are being programmed to feel awful about ourselves, competitive towards other women, and overall flooded with messages on a daily basis letting us know, both subtlely and not so subtlely, that we are simply not good enough in terms of our attractiveness, our body habitus, our looks, or whatever, and porn becomes an easy target of transference (yes, I said it, transference) for our own insecurities?
If a woman has a problem with a man looking at porn, I would have to say that she better make it clear - very clear - up front before getting involved with that guy, that she won't tolerate it. And good luck to her finding a partner who won't do it on the sly, either, after making such a demand on him. I don't think I've ever known any man who didn't look at porn (except for "Ronald" on this thread, I guess) and I know plenty of women who do as well. Porn is out there, and it's not going away.
You want to talk about porn, let's talk about how sex is used to sell pretty much everything under the sun, and nobody bats an eye about that. Now that's pornographic. Sex used for conspicuous consumption. X-rated film producers are being straight with us about their motives - you want to see people having sex - here it is.
The biggest "pornography" occurring today, of course, is this bloody illegal occupation of Iraq. Now that's violence against women. Over 300,000 Iraqi women have been killed. That, my friend, is porn.
Is it possible that women put too much pressure on themselves and their partners with expectations that we must meet ALL each other's needs?
lol, and let not forget how many men consider porn to be their sexual education. Pornography does serve more than a depraved role in our society.
To the original poster: have you talk to your partner about this yet? Regardless of all the opinions here, how you feel about looking at porn is your own personal choice that your partner should be aware of. Believe him if he says he cares and desires you. Tell him you're afraid it will lead to certain things. He'll probably say he's looked at it since he was in his teens and it hasn't turned him insane yet. Work out a compromise... But I wouldn't let this be the deal breaker if I were you.
Excellent point, slow_healer. Excellent point. It's part of the "romantic" fantasy that we Westerners have of relationships. It used to be that relationships served an economic purpose - dowrys, inheritance of land, procreating large families to maintain the farmstead, and all of that. (And I should know about farmsteads, being a barn babe, and all) :)
In the 19th-20th centuries, it was no longer necessary to view marriage economically. We could view marriage (relationships, I guess, even later) through the lens of a somewhat higher order of human growth - emotional growth, sexual fulfillment, individual desire, compatibility on other levels, etc. Hence, "romantic love" began to define relationships/marriage. As I stated somewhere else, the core definition of a relationship is the exclusive use of another person's genitals. That is the very basic premise on which the majority of Westerners base their partnerships.
Unfortunately, this romantic notion of love (especially during a time when we are living for longer and longer, 8 decades of life, or more) falls woefully short for the majority of people. We hook up, we become disenchanted, we don't know how to communicate our needs (there was no need for this when economics dictated relationships--women were shut out of decision-making altogether and "put in their place), and essentially it's become one huge flail in terms of making a relationship work.
And largely, I think, because of the point you make - our expectations placed upon the other partner are huge. Huge. And wrongfully so. We just can't get everything we need from one person. I would argue that it is humanly impossible over the many-decades-long lifespan we live. People change. How much do you think you've changed just in one decade? It's mind-boggling, really, that our expectations for our partners are SO high. It's also extremely naive.
I think many relationships are pressure cookers waiting to blow. Unmet needs, inability to communicate, thwarted desires, feeling won-down and emotionally beaten or unsupported - this probably is an apt description of more relationships than we all care to admit to.
Interesting discussion, slow_healer.
I think the main thing is you and your partner should define what is acceptable in your relationship. If porn is unacceptable and hurts you a loving partner should be able to accomodate that.
I personally do not use porn, nor does my husband. That is our choice based on a shared definition of what marriage should be.
You must make a decision as to what is acceptable for you.
"it makes me feel bad cuz i think hes doing it cuz im not good enough or pretty enough for him"
To be fair a LOT of women feel the way you do (just as a lot of men do to see their partners flirting/ogling/tittering over some other guy). But the porn alone shouldn't determine whether or not he cares about you. A guy friend once told me that it's not big breasts or asses that draw him to looking at porn - it's something *different*. He was very adamant that it doesn't matter which woman he is with - eventually he'll always feel the need to see/experience something different. NOT great words of wisdom if you want to believe in the power of male-female love. I don't 100% agree with him, but I thought it was an interesting perspective to share.
I'm not saying your boyfriend is quite like the guy I mentioned (hopefully not!), but work on a compromise where you can both be happy. I suspect that if you were confident that he is ultimately attracted and in love with you, the porn issue wouldn't matter so much. Good luck!