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STD from oral

I recently had unprotected oral from a new woman (stupid i know).  I'm now concerned with the possibility of getting an STD from this.  My research indicates that herpes, chlamydia, gonorhrea and NGU are the most common for men to get from oral.  It also seems that chlamydia and gonnorrea are very rare to get this way.  Any opinion would be helpful.  Also, how long do i have to wait to get tested for chlamydia, gonn & NGU?  I've read 7 days - is that long enough?  Thank you.  
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101028 tn?1419603004
correct - no reason to test again for hsv1.  

http://www.ashastd.org/get-involved/donate-to-asha.html   ashastd has been involved in std education and research for a long, long time now and accepts donations. donations go towards research and public education on std's. they are a reputable organization and cosponsor the cdc std conference every 2 years.  I also volunteer my time with them :)

now bring that ladder and your paint brush :)
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It's a deal.  Got my results, and good news I believe.  Here they are:
  - HSV-1: <0.90 / Negative
  - HSV-2: 2.43 / Positive

It was the HerpesSelect test.  Bet you don't get a lot of people being happy to be officially diagnosed with HSV-2.  Based on everything I've learned, I don't need to re-test in a couple of months for HSV-1, correct?  Interesting that I'm one of the minority that didnt get exposed to oral HSV-1 as a child.

I really can't thank you enough for all of your support, input, and unending patience.  You are such a wonderful person to total strangers.  If there is an organization or foundation that i can make financial contribution to in your honor please let me know.  I am going to use this opportunity to become a much better person and try to help others more.  Thank you so much for being you. God bless!!! (and I'll paint your house anytime).
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101028 tn?1419603004
bring a ladder, I also have shutters that need taken down so I can paint them :)
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LMAO - Thanks for the post, I needed a brief smile / laugh.  
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101028 tn?1419603004
you are coming to my house this afternoon. You are first going to wash both my dogs. when you are done, I'll feed you a nice lunch then you are picking up a cloth and a bucket and scrubbing all the surfaces I need to paint.   after that I will feed you a nice dinner and then you can start painting. if you do a good job, I'll allow you to have a bedtime snack and maybe even watch a movie. In the morning, you are getting up to mow my lawn and weed my garden. I will keep you busy and you will even forget that you have anything below the waist except for when the dogs jump up onto your groin.

sound like a plan to keep your mind off of all of this?
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In all honesty, don't you think the OB 6 days post-encounter is not a good sign?  Can a few days of stress really produce an OB?  And yes, my GF was well on her way to having 8+ OB's in her first year, and still can't get off daily therapy w/o getting an OB within 2 weeks after having this for almost 2 years.  But she still could be the minority.
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Grace - You are simply wonderful!!  Thank you so much for your continued counsel and patience.  You're right about the darn net - reading that you'd think that 50% of the people have oral HSV-2.  Just a ton of horror stories.

My initial dx was from a swab culture that wasnt typed.  I got the IGg blood test Monday and get my results tomorrow so I'll know one way or another.  I know the odds are in my favor, especially with HSV-2 oral infections and shedding being fairly rare, but I got stung the last time and "beat the odds" so that's why I'm so anxious.  Plus, having the OB 6 days post-encounter was just too coincidental for me.  I know I was initially stressed about other STD's but didnt think I was stressed enough to cause an OB.  

Oh well, like I said I'll know tomorrow.  Thanks again and God bless.
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101028 tn?1419603004
if you've never pursued proper testing to know if your herpes is hsv1 or hsv2, you need to do so. what was your original testing that diagnosed you as having genital herpes?

really, it's silly of you to be thinking that you contracted a 2nd genital herpes infection from this.  only about 5% of all folks with genital herpes have them both genitally. it can happen but not likely to do so. when it does, it's usually hsv1 genitally initially and then contracted hsv2 genitally later on.  since less than 10% of folks who have hsv1 genitally get frequent recurrences, odds are that your former partner did have hsv2 and not hsv1 genitally.  don't add to your anxiety by obsessively reading inaccurate forums on herpes info and over thinking this all either dear - so not worth it!!
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I apologize for my last comment.  I know it sounded snarky - I certainly didn't mean it to be.
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Un-Belie-ab-le !  


I though I heard/read them all.
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Hi Grace - I know you're probably "done" with me, but if you could read and reply to my previous post to you I would sincerely appreciate it.  Thanks.
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Hi (again) Grace:  Well I think I made a terrible asumption about me being GHSV2 (vs GHSV1) positive based on my GF's recurrence rate.  Yes, she initially had recurrences every 6-8 weeks and then went on supressive therapy.  She's tried to get off daily therapy a few times but everytime she gets an OB within 2 weeks.  Based on this I just assumed it was HSV2, which I'm thinking was a big mistake.  I am reading (yes on the net again) a ton of stories (mostly from women) about frequent recurrences of GHSV1.  If that's the case, then I've opened myself up to getting GHSV@ on top of my HSV1.  Based on the symptoms (6 days post encounter and a new spot), I'm convinced I have a seond infection and it has to be HSV2.  I got an IGg done today and will have results in a few days.  Any words of advice/counsel/encouragement or am I just one terribly unlucky person?  Thanks.
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Your points/opinons are duly noted and your anger / frustrations felt.  Thank you.
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Uh,.but from all the research I've been doing, you could have still transmitted it to her, outbreak or not!

Don't you think that instead of you freaking out so much about something you got from *her* when, let's face it..the risk of a guy getting something from a girl gi ving HIM oral sex is ridiculously low...maybe you ought to tell her to get herself tested for HSV?? I'm just saying!!!

I find it ironic you're going a little nuts here worrying about your OWN risk, but I don't see much evidence you give 2 cents about what you may have exposed her to.

Correct me if I'm wrong!!

As a woman who may have gotten HSV2 from just such an atittude,I find this pretty poor behavior...
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Yes, and that I'm on daily suppressive therapy and have only had 2 outbreaks in 2 years (now 3).
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Wait a minute...you knew you had HSV2, but had unprotected oral sex with a female who went down on you???

Did you tell her that you're infected???
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Hi Grace:  OK, one last fit of paranoia.  I have always assumed I have genital HSV2 because I gave it to my GF and she had very frequent outbreaks (every 6-8 weeks).  So based on that I assumed it was HSV2.  Now I'm afraid that i could have HSV1 genital and could have gotten HSV2 from the unprotected oral.  I know common knowledge says that is extremely rare (first for a woman to get HSV2 oral and then to transmit it during fellatio) but I've been reading a lot of stories about this happening to "a lot" of people (I know, stay off the internet).  

Based on my GF's outbreak frequency would you say I most likley have HSV2 already?  Second, are the odds of getting HSV2 from fellatio really that rare?  If 3% of oral herpes is HSV2 and it sheds 1% of the time, that would make it a .03% risk which seems small.  But if you multiply that by the number of people with oral herpes then you get a pretty big number.

As alway, let me know what the "truth" is on this.  Thanks (again)!
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Once again, THANK YOU.  Does the fact that my recent outbreak went from crop to (small) open sores to scabbed & healing in 3+ days give more credibility that it's a recurrent vs. primary outbreak?

Also, on the hypothetical that I have HSV1 genital, getting HSV2 genital from oral on top of that would be extremely rare too, correct?

Finally, w/o any symptoms of gonorrhea or chlaymdia 9 days post-encounter can I stop worrying about those too?

I promise never, ever to put myself in this position again. Thank you and God bless you Grace.  
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101028 tn?1419603004
you are more likely to catch a blue lobster than you are to contract hsv1 genitally after having hsv2 genitally.

many things can cause swollen nodes, really no reason to worry.

I know in 27 years of having hsv2, I can easier tell you where I haven't had recurrences than I can to list everywhere that I've had them.
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Grace - THANK YOU AGAIN!  Not sure how i could get through this w/o you.  So when we are talking rare, are we talking "blue lobster" rare?  Trust me, if it's 1%, then I'd be the 1%.  I got HSV2 from a one-time, protected encounter.  If I end up being the poor rare sot to get HSV1 genital on top of HSV2, I think I'd have to shoot myself.

What about the swollen lymph node?  Isn't that only with a primary outbreak?  Maybe since this outbreak is on the opposite side than previous ones then that lymph node is acting up.

Well, as you can tell I am just an emotional basketcase. I do trust you.  It's just I tend to have bad luck when it comes to beating the odds in things like this.  I'll try hard to chill.  Thanks again. :)
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101028 tn?1419603004
you can expect to have recurrences of your genital herpes anywhere in the entire boxer short area as we call it. They won't all be in the same general area in your lifetime.  

there is absolutely no reason to think that you are the exception. I would never lead you astray when it comes to herpes dear!!!
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Thanks again Grace.  Obviously, I think I’m going to be the rare exception to the rule.  So, a couple of “last” questions on this:

   •  Does the fact that this outbreak is in a different location (but close to) my prior ones mean anything?  I had an MD say that there’s no way that herpes outbreaks travel to other areas (called it “silly”.  His words, not mine).  Also, this outbreak seems worse than previous ones, making me think is a primary.

Can I get swollen lymph nodes from a recurrence?  I thought that was just during a primary outbreak.

   •  I did read that there are studies (some old though) that do indicate significant protection from HSV 1 genital from an existing HSV 2 infection.  Obviously, nothing is 100% when it comes to STDs.  If you had to put odds on it, would you say 1 in 1,000; 1 in 10,000; 1 in a million?

   •  I did see where Dr. Anna Wald, a renown herpes researcher at the University of Washington, actually stated that she had never seen a case of HSV 1 genital acquisition post HSV 2 infection.  I would think that says a lot for this, huh?

Of course the internet has horror stories of people claiming this happened to them.  Is it that rare as to say I should just ignore these stories as inaccurate?

   •  Lastly, I there any way I can ever know if this is HSV 1 or not; or is it just plain not HSV 1, period?

Thanks again.  
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101028 tn?1419603004
suppressive therapy  doesn't eliminate all recurrences - you will still get them.  

you won't get hsv1 after having hsv2. Having hsv2 gives you significant protection against contracting hsv1 both orally and genitally if you didn't have it previously.

really, it's your previous hsv2 infection, not something new.
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OK, so I just found out that the woman a got unprotected oral from has had cold sores since childhood.  So, it apears that I now have genital hsv1 on top  of genital hsv 2 (yes, a 2 time loser).  

I thought that having hsv 2 anitbodies and being on daily suppressive valtrex therapy would pretty much protect me from an hsv1 genital infection.  What did i miss?  Im very depressed about this.  
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