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Could it be herpes

Over the past 2 months I have been dealing with a dry mouth which ocassionally creates a red ring,  very irritated around my lips. If I don't put something on it , it actually can get to the point where it looks like a bright red rash...but as long as I use lip balm or Vaseline or something like that it usually doesn't get worse. I have been dealing with this.this is something I have definitely been doing at least since thanksgiving on a daily basis. At no point in time have I ever developed anything that looked like a white head or cold sore. That said , I do notice there appears to be a decent amount of blackhead looking pimple on my upper lip now.

This backstory leads to this , since my break up 2 months ago I have been sexually active with two girls. the first girl I really trust to not have anything, I'm not positive but I'd be utterly shocked if she did. The second girl was basically 28 hours ago on New Years night. She is best friends with a friend of mine and I also do trust her, but I'm still worried. Basically We kissed and eventually I ended up giving her unprotected oral sex. The next morning I woke up and my lips were practically burning. Now she was fairly rough and was biting my lips, and I also didn't see any visible sores anywhere on her ( I know doesn't mean she doesn't have it still).  Even if I did catch something , would it even be possible for herpes to start appearing basically within hours ? Right now it's definitely calmed down a little and there's just a slight redness with a few blackheads on my upper lip (some of which have been there for weeks and done nothing).

She also performed unprotected oral sex on me and again I saw no visible sores and have no reason to suspect she has anything but I know you can't ever know. Basically the entire next day my penis and testicles were itchy and it has continued to today (but not as bad). It itches pretty much everywhere. There is nothing visably wrong,This is my biggest concern
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Welcome to the forum.  Thanks for your question.

The bottom line is good news:  herpes is not a realistic explanation for your dry mouth and the rash or "ring" around your mouth.  Herpes outbreaks don't look or behave like you describe; each outbreak lasts no longer than 1-2 weeks; recurs no more often than once every 4-6 weeks; and between outbreaks there are no symptoms at all.  And I'm equally sure this has nothing to do with your sexual exposures or partnerships.  I'm not going to speculate further on other possible causes of this problem, since we don't speculate on this forum about non-STD problems.  

Of course any irritation, physical rubbing, etc can exacerbate almost any skin problem, so it isn't surprising your symptoms were more prominent after kissing etc.  But that doesn't mean any infection was acquired from kissing, certainly not herpes.  As for your testicular itching etc, that sounds like your anxieties over your sexual exposure(s) are magnifying minor symptoms or normal body sensations.  This problem also isn't herpes or any other STD.

My advice is that you make an appointment with your primary care provider about your mouth problems.  In the meantime, you can be confident that neither herpes nor any other STD is the cause, and that there is no relationship to your sexual exposures except possibly the nonspecific irritation explantion I noted above.

Best wishes--  HHH, MD
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Really need help I have some anxiety issues and its absolutely engulfing me today at work...wish it wasn't but its just the way I am...what are the chances this is hsv1 or 2 from the oral sex
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"what are the chances this is hsv1 or 2 from the oral sex?"  No chance; see above.

"I have some anxiety issues":  That was very apparent from your question above, and the same one on the herpes forum.  You can expect that Terri Warren will agree with my assessment.  (FYI, the moderators on the professionally moderated forums try to reply to new questions within 24 hours.   I happened to see this one quickly, but you can't expect that Terri or any other moderators are on line 24/7 for immediate replies.)
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Yes it is , But I think you missed part of my question. During that night she performed unprotected oral sex on me and I did for her as well, but that is as far as it went. That being said, its not really my mouth worrying me in so much as the itching in my groin. It's been on and off starting about 12 hours after the event, and its been pretty much everywhere on my genitals.

I am nervous (even though I do trust this girl) that I contracted something either through giving or receiving oral, and herpes is probably the most common thing to get from activities like that. Would it even be possible for symptoms to start merely 8-12 hours after? If it is , and this was a break out...I could probably expect blisters shortly (hypothetically)

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Also sorry in my current state I completely missed the second half of your post. Sorry about that, always have had anxiety but I recently went through a bad breakup and its gotten worse lately...thanks a lot for your help
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That the groin itching started only 12 hours after the oral sex event is proof that neither herpes nor any STD is the cause.  No infection, HSV or anything else, can start to cause symptoms before 36-48 hours.

Do your best to compartmentalize and separate your underlying anxities and current stresses from your break-up from your more recent sexual choices, STD risk, and symptoms.  They are separate issues, and you are at little or no STD risk.

Thanks for the thanks.  Happy new year.
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Ok thanks a lot, the only other question I have was a general one...how common is it to transmit hsv1 oral to genitals without any open sores and I guess another thing that had me worried is if by some craZy chance I had it how easy is to to spread it to other parts of your body. This will be my last question I just hoped to get these answers to help my anoxety just a little more...thanks
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Without obvious oral HSV sores, the likelihood of transmission by a single episode of oral sex is no higher than one chance in many thousand.

That will be all for this thread.  Doyour best to move on.
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