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Massage Parlor

Hi Doctors,

I posted on the HIV Community Forum earlier this morning and got some reassurance.  I also wanted to get your opinion/advice relating to STD's in my situation.

I recently visited two different Korean massage parlors here in the US.  At the first massage parlor, I received oral sex from the woman with a condom. I also had vaginal sex with a condom.  She didn't change condoms between the oral and vaginal sex.  Because I was losing my erection during the vaginal sex, she removed the condom and began masturbating me. When she was msturbating me, I was lying on my back and she was sitting on top of me and rubbing her naked vagina back and forth on my penis shaft.  I know that my penis didn't penetrate her, but she was rubbing her vagina back and forth directly on my penis shaft so close to the head of my penis. We also kissed for a little while.

At the second massage parlor, I also received oral sex with a condom and had vaginal sex with a condom. This time there was lots of french/deep tongue kissing. Later that night, I noticed some small cuts on the insides of my chheks in my mouth. I also fingered her vagina and anus for a while with a finger that turned out to have a cut on it- the cut was like a piece of skin near my nail had been scraped off and it had become irritated. When I got home and relized it, it stung when I rinsed it with water. When I squeezed it, a small spec of blood was noticed on a piece of toilet paper.

In both massage parlors, something weird happened.  As the women were about to perform the oral sex, it appeared as though they were not going to use a condom. When I asked them to use a condom, in both cases, the women told me that they already had the condom in their mouths. Then they used their mouths to place the condom on my penis and roll it down  penis. So I'm thinking that they must have had the condoms in their mouths for at least a minute prior to rolling it down my penis and performing the oral. I'm worried about their saliva getting in the inside of the condoms, making it actually unprotected oral sex.

1. Did I place myself at risk for any STD's? If so, which ones?
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300980 tn?1194929400
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Yes I was saying that you were not at risk for HIV either.  In my opinion you do not need HIV testing.  EWH
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Thanks very much Dr. Hook.  These will be my last questions.  

When you answered question number 2 saying that HIV is an STD, are you basically saying that HIV was not a risk in my massage parlor encounters?  I was planning on having an HIV test and ghonnorea test next week because of a different episode in which I received unprotected oral sex from a woman of unkown status six weeks ago.  Will I have to wait another 6 - 8 weeks now in regard to getting tested for HIV or do my recent massage parlor incidents in this post not warrant further testing?  

Thank you very much for your time and generosity.  I will not ask any further questions.

Kind regards
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300980 tn?1194929400
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
1. No risk form kissing or from contamination of a cut or scrape.
2.  HIV is an STD.  No risk from rubbing.  EWH
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Thank you DR. Hook. I meant to also ask these questions but accidentally submitted my post without them.

1.  Any risk from the deep kissing orfinger with the cut?

2.  Any risk for HIV from anything during these episodes or from the csw rubbing her genitals over my penis for like 10 minutes?
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300980 tn?1194929400
MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL
Welcome to the STD Prevention Forum.  As I read your description, your only unprotected exposures are your masturbation of partners with your fingers and that your first masseuse rubbed her genitals over your penis without penetration.  Further you ask if the fact that these women had the condoms in their mouths before applying the condoms poses a risk to you.  

There are a few STDs which are characterized by the presence of lesions which can be infectious through direct contact. These primarily include syphilis, herpes and HPV (genital warts).  In all cases, even if your partners had one of these STDs most exposures do not lead to transmission of infection and the nature of your exposure makes your risk, if anything lower than might be expected otherwise ( and that risk is tiny).  For herpes, if no lesion is present the risk fo transmission is thought to be in the neighborhood of 1 in 10,000.  It is a bit higher for syphilis but only if a lesion were present and contacted and the figure for HPV is unknown.  In all instances, your risk is low.  For herpes, if you did/do not develop a lesion at a site of contact within 14 days of your exposure, you can stop worrying.   As for syphilis, this is a rare disease and again, you would expect a lesion to develop at the site of infection.  there are syphilis blood tests which can be done and these would be most accurate a couple (3) months after exposure although I really see no need for testing unless a lesion develops.  As for HPV, just about everyone already has it. Current estimates are that over 80% of adults will have HPV at some time but the risk form any one exposure of the sort you describe is small and really not a concern.  Once again, if you do not develop a lesion, I would not worry.  

There is no evidence that any STDs are spread through the mechanism of having a condom which was held in a person’s mouth applied.  I suppose the possibility is theoretically present but it is not ever, to my knowledge, occurred.

bottom line.  These were safe exposures.  I would not recommend testing or concern.  EWH
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