shoulder and hand pain after stroke

[TORTONI]

MY HUSBAND HAD A COROTID DISSECTION 3/7/06 HE IS WALKING AND MOVING HIS HAND BUT STARTED TO HAVE SEVERE PAIN IN SHOULDER/HAND. HE FEELS A POPPING IN HIS SHOULDER ALSO. HE HAS HAD XRAYS OF BOTH AND THEY SHOW NOTHING. HIS PHYSIATRIST SEEMS STUMPED AND TOLD HIM TO GO TO AN OTHOPEDIC DOCTOR FOR AN MRI.HE CAN'T SLEEP AND IS ON CONSTANT PAIN MED AND IS NOT WANTING TO DO THERAPY BECAUSE IT HURTS SO MUCH. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS?

[sara12345]

From what you just said, it sounds like think that scathey2030 was luckier than you.  Did I misread that?  Scathey says, "severe pain in my left hand and left foot.  The pain in my hand is more severe than my foot..., I have muscle spasmas and my hand locks up on me constantly like it is froze."  I'm wondering if you had intensive physical therapy which could relieve a lot of your pain and disability.  But with spasms like scathey is describing there is only Botox to help it.  Hope they took the tip.  But then scathery also has a lot of pain which is horrible to live with as you live with pain too. So do I from my stroke which totally puts me in bed for days at a time--my severe migraines as well as other pain issues.  I have very little functioning time in a day.  Walking is not everything.

[annabella76]

You  are lucky that you recovered as well as you did im 37 and had my stroke 3 years ago my left leg and left hand are painfull but the hand is the worst I still cant walk! Hope you get releave soon as I havent.

[sue_in_oz]

Hi

Do you have any spasticity in the muscles near where you are getting the pain?  Also what is youre passive range like on those joints?

If the pain is related to spasticity &/or decreased range, stretching (esp with heat may help), as may BOTOX or other anti spasticity meds.

I don't know enough to suggest other possibilities.

HTH

Sue

[scathey2030]

I am 29 years old, I had a stroke 10 months ago.  I recovered pretty well.  I can walk talk and if you did not know you would never know that I had a stroke.  The only problem I am having is that I am having severe pain in my left hand and left foot.  The pain in my hand is more severe than my foot, I am guessing it is because I try to use it more.  The more I use it, the more pain and discomfort I have, I have muscle spasmas and my hand locks up on me constantly like it is frooze.  i have tried all the therapy and anti inflammatory medicines but it does not work.  If any one has any ideas I would greatly appreciate the help.


Thanks,

scathey

[cotagrl]

The popping in the shoulder could possibly - and i emphasize heavily "possibly" due to such a small ammount of info!!! - indicate muscle weakness/deficit in the "rotator cuff" muscles or other muscles around the shoulder and neck.  The "rotator cuff" muscles (there are 4) hold your arm in the socket. So if there is any weakness in any one of these muscles, the balance of how they all work together changes, resulting in movement and pain issues (poping & clicking, pain, reduced range of motion). But the poping and pain could also be nerve related.  Either one should becom apparent on an MRI.......
I would be wary of heat because heat can cause inflamation if applied too long or too often or too hot! If this is a nerve issue, inflamation can cause swelling in muscles around nerves resulting in an increase problems. But heat has it's benefits because it increases circulation which can promote healing. You could try heat and ice and see what results are the best for reducing symptoms.  With heat or ice never apply for longer than 20 min - i learned in my treatment modalities class there is no therapeutic value for heat or ice applied longer than 20 min.
I hope that he has had an MRI and has been getting treatment with BOTH a Physical Therapist AND Occupational Therapist!!

[caregiver222]

You have symptoms that are characteristic of a "pain dermatome".

It is not likely that this is "phantom" or neurogenic pain. It is more likely that you have a nerve that pressure is being put on. There are a variety of reasons for this.

The big problem is that people "self-splint" to avoid the pain, and eventually the movement of the arm and hand become more and more limited until they become frozen. The answer is to exercise through the limits of pain, use anti-inflammatories, and practice range-pf-motion exercises. Including rotating the head.

[caregiver222]

The x-rays won't show anything. They are pointless. There are several possible causes. The most likely cause is cervical compression of a nerve, which can be definitively diagnosed by applying cervical traction and observing if the symptoms disappear.

[caregiver222]

You need to have axial traction applied and see if the pain immediately disappears. If so the treatment is simple. An anti- inflammatory for a few days and a $35 dollar axial traction harness you hang over the door and use three times a day for about four minutes per session. The pain should disappear in about 90 days. A reasonable protocol is prednisone for four days to dampen the infmmation, then ibuprufin for a week. If you don;t go for the prednisone an anti-inflammatory such as Ibuprufin (Motrin) should work fine. You have to dampen the inflammation. The axial traction devices are available at drug stores without prescription. Check with your physician to see if he thinks this is reasonable.

[Rajool]

I am not surprised that your husband does not want to do therapy as his shoulder hurts & has pain in hand as well.

BUT the problem is, he got passive therapy (may be) Passive movements to the shoulder, assisted movements on shoulder wheel & pulley if at all done, guarantees the pain in shoulder.


The only treatment for such pain is active shoulder exercises. pain killers do not resolve root cause of shoulder pain.

Mild heat with steam pack helps to some extent.
avoid to sleep on the affected shoulder for long hours.

You may find more information on
www.brainstrokes.com

good luck.
rajul