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anxiety and depression with constant muscle pains

Hi,I'm a 15 year old girl who is currently suffering from all kinds of body pains for two months now.It all started when i was hospitalized with pneumonia two months ago.After that,I was constantly worrying about my health,then i started feeling pain on my left shoulder,I was so scared of it.few days after i started having pain on my right shoulder and knees.I went to my doctor and he said he's not too concerned about this.I have been crying for almost everyday now especially when my parents are getting tired of me telling me to stop crying and stop being a crybaby cuz im a teenager already.But they don't understand the fear i''m experiencing everyday.What scares me the most is fibromyalgia,i have been seeing it every where i search about muscle pains.Can someone pls tell me that this is just anxiety and not fibro.I can't live like this for the rest of my life pls help me
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Sometimes this is a reaction to antibiotics.  If you took steroidal meds, it can also be a reaction to that.  It's not fibromyalgia from what you describe, and don't go Googling symptoms as that's a recipe for trouble.  Get your parents to take you to the nearest best health food store and buy the best probiotic they have in their refrigerated section to try to replenish the organisms any antibiotic or steroid might have killed off.  Eating foods that are fermented or cultured, such as kim chi or sauerkraut, can also help with this.  Try to avoid pro-inflammatory foods for awhile, such as dairy, wheat, and sugar.  I don't know what meds they had you on, but pneumonia is a tough disease and takes a while to get completely over.  Starting a slow easy exercise program, such as walking, might be beneficial.  Another thing to think about -- you're 15, how are your hormones doing?
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Thank you thank u,I'm waiting for someone to tell me it's not fibromyalgia.And how long does the effects of these antibiotics usually last?Do they cause constant muscle and joint pains from anxiety? And for my hormones,I don't rly know how to know how it's doing,But thank u for replying :3
Oh and the antibiotics was amoxicilllin,for 10 days
People with anxiety over-analyze their body in fear and start noticing every itch, twitch, ouch and temperature difference etc. which just works in a vicious circle making them more fearful and studying their body more.

No one can diagnose you from here, but you don't have any medical training either, so it is not helping you to fixate on the idea that you have one disease like fibromyalgia then hunt all over Google to see if you find symptoms that match. You got a few new ideas here, antibiotics except you weren't on steroids sand drugs.com doesn't even list your complaint as a side effect of your particular antibiotic, hormones, but again these are just possibilities so treat it with a grain of salt unless your doctor agrees.

Here is another possibility and everyone is different but many anxiety sufferers imagine things happening to their body - it might just be your imagination driven by fear making you over-emphasize an ouch.
If you look at other threads on the anxiety forum you will see people worried about all kinds of diseases that their doctors say don't exist and are just over-analysis of their body without any medical training and fixating on some disease which makes them keep track of things that they experienced before but were not anything different than what other people have.

Amoxicillin is not a steroid anyway, so it won't give you the pain that you believe exists. Many millions of people have taken this and in repeat doses but drugs.com does not list this side effect.

Also probiotics is just an unproven theory to replenish your immune system. You can look up any reputable source like Mayo Clinic.com or Harvard Medical and will discover that your immune system is not just some ingredient, but instead is a huge system of complex things that work in complex ways that researchers do not understand today.
In theory boosting your immune system sounds like your body will benefit, but lots of people have different systems than others and no one knows what to boost because the system may not like too much of one of the many parts required to function properly. eat a balanced variety of foods is about the only thing that is known to be of benefit for everyone.
thank u for replying.,the thing is,I'm not always anxious,but my body pains are always there.I have a LOT of muscle knots on my back which makes it hard for me to sit up straight.It's really just scaring me because im afraid i won't get my old life back.Do u have any advices to get rid of body pains?
Have you had physio or a massage?

Exercise contracts muscles which requires stretching to get the flexibility back. Also some people get knotty because the muscles coatings develop snags from scar tissue created from the breakdown after exercise then rebuilding the next day. . A massage person told me some people are prone to knots and come in every week for the same muscles that go back knotty after exercise. You seem young for that, but you should check it out with a professional instead of just taking my word for it.
You said your doc is not too concerned, but also that you can't sit right because of the pain, so is she not paying attention to your claims or did she have a more specific comment?
She just told me she's not concerned about this and just sent me to physical therapist.My biggest problem is i can't go to pt or physio because my parent's won't let me.
Why, don't they have the money for physio? My sister in law is a nurse who suffered for decades with a back pain that she self-diagnosed as sciatica because that is common to many nurses. Finally she went to the physio guy I told her about and one session fixed her and that was 10 years ago. I can still remember hearing her complaining about her "sciatica" and saying there is nothing that can be done.

What is PT? Physical Training?
no pt is physical therapist,and my parents told me that they won't take me to doctors anymore because i will just get worse,and they keep telling me that I'm creating my own pains,it's all in my head.But it really hurts and doesn't stop,I almost cried today again but tried to hold it in so bad cuz my parents will just get mad at me again
There must be a way to tell them what happened to my sister in law, but you better think carefully how to tell them in case they don't like the idea of chat advice. Is there a counselor in your school or maybe a teacher who can help get the message to them?

It is your doctor's advice that you see someone for pain, so your parents should be respecting that professional; opinion. Do they distrust doctors in general?



Anxious, the theory about probiotics isn't theory, it's fact.  What isn't known very well is about the vast number of them in the system, but this is the reason the official medical advice now, as integrated medicine practitioners have been cautioning for many many years, is to avoid antibiotics unless absolutely necessary (along with, of course, the problem of drug resistant bacteria).  Nobody can promise that taking a probiotic will do the trick, but it's the best we have right now other than a fecal transplant and it's such an easy and inexpensive thing to try.  And of course antibiotics aren't steroids -- sometimes people with bronchial problems will be given steroids to help clear the bronchia.  Antibiotics can also cause depression and anxiety, because a major part of the body's system that regulates mental health is also found in the micro-organisms that live in harmony with us.  When they're not there, living where they're supposed to, organisms we don't want have space to move in and get comfortable.  This is the indirect way antibiotics cause inflammation -- when the immune system becomes stressed in any way, the response is inflammation, and if it stays around, it becomes a big problem.  As for physio, as you call it, that's physical therapy, or PT.  But a physical therapist generally can only help if given a diagnosis by an orthopedist or other professional -- they aren't diagnosticians and work by doing what they're ordered to do by specialists.  In most jurisdictions, they are only allowed to work on people if referred by a specialist.  I have no idea what's happening to the poster, but if this happened only after the bout with pneumonia, then that's the most likely culprit.  It takes a very long time to go away, as it's a very weakening disease, unless it's just walking pneumonia.  
paxiled
The point right now is she claims to be in pain but is being denied the pt that her doctor who actually saw her recommends. It is not to discuss whatever theory you have right now so I think we should focus on her receiving the recommended attention that is being denied first.

rhhtegkj
I had a back ache develop during a 4 hour plane trip once and it wouldn't go away despite me thinking it must be something minor because I had sat properly on the plane and don't normally have persistent back ache. After 2 days of it not letting up, I saw the doctor who saw palpitations and the pain disappeared and within a day or so it was gone forever so I didn't have to take any more. So sometimes medical attention is needed for what your parents and my sister in law above think does not need it.
Your parents are ignoring your doctor and mistakenly self-diagnosing you, which is not proper as you are dependent on them to look after you and do what the doctor said to do.
If your teachers hear what I mentioned they are on the hook to see that you are properly cared for so they will take some action such as calling your doctor to alert her or perhaps your parents. Or maybe they will arrange some pt with a professional, etc. Or if you call your doctor she will also be on the hook to see that this is dealt with properly.

rhhtegkj

oops, I edited my last post and part got deleted by mistake. I forgot to mention the doctor gave me a prescription for a muscle relaxer which made the pain disappear. I only had to take it for a few days so luckily it was a pretty easy fix.
oh wow i wish i can get some medicine too.Anyway,I will try to talk it out with my dad and go to the doctor today,even if he gets mad at me.I really just don't want to spend another day in pain anymore.It's so depressing.But i wonder why i get pains in the knees too,i don't seem to have muscle spasms there
And I will also ask about my doctor about having anxiety and depression after taking antibiotics,cuz seriously i was never anxious and depressed before.Ahh i want my life back
Anyone in pain is potentially susceptible to anxiety or depression because you wonder if it will ever end. It can be is a natural reaction to get more anxious as time goes on. since each of those 2 nasties feeds off the other in a vicious circle that can make the situation worse, so with pain no one should be faulting your reactions.

So definitely getting rid of the pain is a priority, as the anxi and depr might just be dependent on this pain fear, in which case with pain relief you might be able to clear up everything.
Lots of people just imagine their physical issues because they over-analyze their body in fear, but the degree that you claim makes it very convincing that it is real. .

Good luck.
thank u,i really hope this pain will be gone.I'm scared cuz this might result to chronic pain or fibro. Cuz other peopls that have anxiety doesn't have constant muscle spasm,and they have parents who support them
Try not to think about what the problem could be, because there is nothing pointing there now. Guessing did nothing to help my sister in law, and she was wrong for decades.
i can't help it,cuz i always feel the pains,i told my dad if i could go to pt today,he said no
i don't think they're taking my pains seriously,he tells me that it's just muscle spasms and just relax and don't make it worse.How am i suppose to relax when the pains increase everyday and i don't know why.I'm starting to think they don't care about me.Thank u AnxiousNoMore and Paxiled for replying.
i really just don't want to spend another day in pain.It depresses me how i wake up just to feel pain
You can get otc muscle spasm pills or something like "Advil muscle and joint pain relief". Don't exceed the recommended dose and make sure you are allowed to take them.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/how-to-boost-your-immune-system
Not sure if I can post the link so if it is deleted google Harvard Health Publications and boost immune system. Here is an excerpt

"Many products on store shelves claim to boost or support immunity. But the concept of boosting immunity actually makes little sense scientifically. In fact, boosting the number of cells in your body — immune cells or others — is not necessarily a good thing.."
thank u,i will try to ask my doctor.Do u have any videos that can help me get rid of knee pains?I don't know whymy knees are hurting too
How big is your school? There must be a PhysEd teacher if it is any size, so that might be a source of info.
my school isn't rly that big.And i don't understand r u saying i should talk to my tr about this?
If a teacher is told by the student that the doctor recommended physio but the parent refused, then the teacher would have some responsibility to at least talk to someone about this like police.
I was just guessing that the teacher can't just abandon you after they find you need medical attention. There is also a teen section on MH, so you might see if they have some suggestions how to deal with your parents refusing to do what the doctor said. Feel free to post here too, if you want.
uhm i can't really talk to my teachers about that im not very close to them.I'll try to talk it out with my parents if i could go see my doctor this saturday, hope they let me.And i really hope i have a diagnosis,for the pains from anxiety to atleast have a little peace in mind.I'm still awfully scared about fibromyalgia and chronic pain.I really hope that these pains won't last for long.I can't live like this for long
Im getting jealous of my classmates cuz they keep talking about their problems,and their problems are about boys and crushes.That made me depressed cuz there they r enjoying their lives thinking about little problems,wishing that my problem is as small as theirs.Wondering when can i get my life back
I hope for the best for you. If you are close to a pharmacy, you could ask your pharmacist if one of the OTC things I mentioned are ok for you to take - if you have $10 for them.
what is OTC?
Over the counter means you on't need a prescription. Aspirin, Tylenol, cough drops etc.
oh ok,i'll try to as my doctor and parents first
Anxious, I love what you're telling this person.  Please don't misunderstand.  But also understand that taking probiotics doesn't "boost" the immune system, it replaces something that has been lost because antibiotics don't distinguish between good organisms and the ones that make us ill.  And it's quite obvious that the information you're getting is incorrect, as doctors routinely use immune boosting techniques in their practice.  It's one way of fighting cancer.  They replace white blood cells to do this.  Vaccinations do this.  Allergy treatments do this.  What they're actually saying is, we don't want competition from people helping themselves by eating better or using natural medicine.  We want to do it and collect the money.  I encourage you to study what gastroenterologists are doing recently with fecal transplants, where they actually transplant fecal matter from healthy donors to people with a host of ailments.  What are they doing?  Giving them probiotics.  This is not a belief, it's a medical fact.  I believe this poster could benefit from this.  The poster has had a recent bout with pneumonia, and has had a recent dose of antibiotics.  Many people have these problems both from this particular disease and from taking antibiotics.  The poster claims not to have suffered anxiety before the fear of not getting better.  The joint pain being reported is a common side effect of many medications, including antibiotics, statins, and steroidal meds.  I'm hoping the poster will see a really thorough physician who will both reassure and treat the problem, but I also think your advice to this person is fantastic and I hope very much the poster takes this discussion and shows it to his or her parents so they can see just how much consternation this is causing.    
today,I woke up again with sharp pains all over my body.When will this end?
today,I woke up again with sharp pains all over my body.When will this end?
Also, to the poster, have you had a thorough physical lately?  Particularly, have you had your electrolytes tested?  the pain you're reporting can be caused by not drinking enough water and not getting enough magnesium or sometimes potassium.  Pneumonia can leave you very dehydrated, which is why whenever you're sick they also tell you to take plenty of fluids.  Because pneumonia can hang on for months sometimes, this might be a problem for you.
u mean the bloodworks?My blood works are fine.What r some good probiotics then?
and can u pls tell me an example on how these pains from antibiotics r treated pls?
paxiled  -"But also understand that taking probiotics doesn't "boost" the immune system, "
I know what antibiotics do to immune system and unlike your claim, probiotics are not proven to do anything, and are just someone's theory.
What I pointed out is that the Harvard Medical School says probiotic sold in health stores are just snake oil and make zero sense.

rhhtegkj
The article explains what you can do and it is mainly get proper sleep and a balanced diet is a good idea also but no one knows for sure. You can't build the immune system other than that because it is so complex that no one understands the interactions of the many pieces today.

what article
and why do u guys always fight?r u frenemies in real life or something?Haha XD Although i appreciate both of u sirs for trying to help me.Atleast i can talk to someone about all this
http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/how-to-boost-your-immune-system
Not sure if I can post the link so if it is deleted google Harvard Health Publications and boost immune system. Here is an excerpt

"Many products on store shelves claim to boost or support immunity. But the concept of boosting immunity actually makes little sense scientifically. In fact, boosting the number of cells in your body — immune cells or others — is not necessarily a good thing.."
Your case might not be easy to resolve but the problem of your anxiety is identified - claims of excessive pain that make you not sit right and almost cry. We can't diagnose you from here so you need to find a professional who can which is why you went to your doctor for starters.

Your doc then said to go to PT yet your parents have self-diagnosed you instead which is child abuse.
So the first step is to follow up on your doctor's orders to get a professional to look at your body  - as discussed earlier this is not easy when you are the minor dependent on your parents.
I have no other ideas other than contacting your doctor, teacher or as you stated you will see if your parents will take you for care.

no i did went to pt a couple pf times,but my parents don't rly let me go there often cuz my dad has to drive me and all,i do have a dr's appt tomorrow.I just really hope my parents let me go to the dr tom,cuz i rly think something's wrong with my left arm.when i started to have muscle pains,my arms and legs keep cracking.But my left arm/elbow really never stips cracking whenever i raise them,and now it hurts especially when i bend it.it was shaking whenever i try to bend it,and when i hold my phone on my left hand,it's quite shaking.I was so scared and talked to my parents about it and said i just slept wrong.what do u think about this?
I just remembered that when I went to University at 23 I studied for 8 months without exercise. One day I played a game of basketball and was in so much knee pain that I couldn't walk for a few days. XRay confirmed no arthritis wear on the joints and doc said I would just have to live with pain. However I started exercising regularly and the pain went away forever and I ended up doing very long mountain hikes.

Years later, I also had a backache for a while but started canoeing and it went away - a physio guy said the exercise mobilized the area and relieved the pain.
I am very active in sports 40 years later,

So are you active? And if not you might want to start at least walking to see if it goes away. The body was not meant to be sedentary and there are lots of reasons to get some exercise daily.
Anxiousnomore and I aren't fighting.  People often have different areas of experience and expertise on this forum, and sometimes no matter how much you offer areas of further research to people the same arguments are repeated, which leads to long threads of arguments and counter arguments instead of someone saying their piece and someone else saying theirs.  We live in a world of short factoids gotten by surfing the internet, but little detailed study of issues.  In your case, for example, Anxiousnomore and I have given you many avenues of things to try to get better.  Now you need to pick one and try it and see what happens, then pick another.  Do something.  As for me, it would make little sense to spend time on here without trying to correct statements that are made that aren't accurate.  If I don't let people know that Anxiousnomore is saying things that are inaccurate, and if he doesn't say the same about what I say, then people reading this can't know that there are different ideas out there.  That's not fighting, it's advocating so we can accomplish something here.  But you in the end have to make the decisions and take the actions to help yourself -- we can't do that for you through these wires.  Good luck to you.
So to answer my question, do you do any activity and if so, how much?
I play badminton everyday because of gym in school.But I will try jogging regularly,I just can't do it these days because it's cold out.I went to my doctor today and told me that i might have myofascial pain syndrome.Is that bad?She told me i should just take aleve and good sleep and it'll be gone.But isn't MPS almost the same as fibro?I am getting real scared,
If she said it will go away, then don't beat yourself up trying to guess if something else might happen.
Try to avoid Googling as it will never give you the comfort you seek, and will always make you worry about something new, then after a lifetime of worrying about what could happen but never did you might find that you are old and missed the fun of life.

Life is full of uncertainties, so if you try to anticipate all the unpleasant ones, then you will never get any peace, and your doc thinks it will be smooth sailing ahead. try to focus on the fact that pleasant surprises might happen if you can.

If you play badminton every day that is exercise so you are mobilized. I don't think you need to worry that you aren't getting enough mobility so have fun.

u r right, i will try to not worry about this.I am way too young for this.the doctor said to take akeve for 10 days and i'll try to get better in those ten days.I will update u sirs,thank u mr paxiled and mr anxious for ur help :)
I think you need to take Aleve with a good drink of water each time and don't take more than recommended. I hope your parents and you see success with this.

I had a very bad health occurrence 10 years ago that took more than a year to recover from and doc said it can recur. I have never Googled it because there is nothing that can prevent it and I don't want to know how often it can happen.
And no, myofascial pain syndrome isn't fibromyalgia.  It's also not something a general practice physician can diagnose -- usually you have to see a physiatrist to diagnose it.  But the main treatment for it is myofascial massage.  And it's unlikely, again, you'd have it at your age, as it's a neurological problem that usually takes a chronic problem to get.  (I might have it, which is the only reason I know about it.  And because it's so hard to diagnose properly, I just as well might not have it).  Look, you need to chill.  You're young.  You've been sick.  Let your body heal.  Now, here's how I use Google, and I only started doing this because I've had a lot of really bad health care that taught me the hard way that once you get a diagnosis and a recommended treatment, that's when research can be useful.  It's only going to be harmful when you just Google symptoms.  But ignorance isn't bliss, really -- it can bite you later.  But again, you're 15 years old.  I'm in my 60's and have a lot of mileage on me.  Be a 15 year old!  
i will,mr anxious,i hope it doesn't take me a year to recover tho
mr paxiled,Haha ur right i should just act like my age,i will try aleve and see,hope it works
Yes be a 5 year old. I only mentioned the year thing to explain there is no purpose in anticipating things I have no control over. For all I know the odds might be 1 in 1,000,000 that this ever comes back  I don't want to know.

So live your life like P said like a 15 year old instead of trying to anticipate things you have no control over.
Oops first sentence is supposed to be a 15 year old
Haha,i will mr.U sirs r such good people to help strangers.Anyway,I will try to have more fun in school XD
Hi mr,so i tried aleve,and it's not working.I tried searching up cure for myofascial pain,but it says there's no cure for it.What should i do?Please help I'm really hopeless and clueless.Is there no way to end this pain?Please I really can't endure the pain any longer,and the fear is really consuming me please i don't want tu suffer anymore.Today i was laughing with my friends,but whenever i laugh,my shoulders always hurt.I really can't deal with this anymore please help
I'm sorry,I was rly trying to be like normal,but even laughing with my friends hurts,playing badminton hurts,lying down hurts.
Only thing to do is go back to the doctor and explain the Aleve isn't doing the job and see what she thinks. You could ask the pharmacist how long she thinks it should take based on what the doctor diagnosed, but I think you should get relief back on Feb 25.
How many do you take per day?
It seems you have tried it for 4 days and you are saying that there is no relief,
The problem I had made such intense pain that it felt like a spear in my arm so I was off work for 2 weeks, and had to go all the way up to Tylenol 4 which has enough codeine that I was legally impaired. T3 had enough that it was questionable if I could have driven, per the pharmacist, yet it couldn't touch the pain, so I had to go up to T4. Then after weeks, it just left and hasn't come back, but that doesn't mean my ailment has anything to do with yours, just that sometimes the pain requires more painkiller than the docs want to risk giving me.
I don't know anything about what 15 year old bodies are allowed to ingest, so you will have to talk this over with the pharmacist and your doc.
tbh,at first my doc told me i should take 4 tabs of aleve,but i told her that mightbe too much so she changed it to two.Should i consider 4 tablets then?
Did you get any relief after taking one? This is fast acting like a Tylenol for a headache so you should get some kind of fast relief while it is in your system if it is capable of doing the job.

You should talk or phone your pharmacist about this if you can't just dial up your doctor.
Or you can call the Aleve manufacturer and they will know.
I did get some kind of relief,but the pain never went away.I'm not so sure if this pain will ever go away anymore
Do u have any ideas on how to end myofascial pain?I'm kinda scared to search it up cuz i might see some things
You said you got relief from pain but the pain never went away so what do you mean?
i meant the amount of pain reduced,but never went away
Talk to the pharmacist, but if doc said to take 4 then that is probably what you should do. It is best to take enough Aleve so you get the body a break so it is not hurting \then stop taking it.
Since your doctor wanted you to take 4 per day I would just take 4 and see if your pain ends. You have only given the Aleve half a chance, so to speak.

I am sure if you go back to her and say you only took 2 and the pain was reduced, then she will say to take 4 to see what happens, rather than giving you a different thing to take.
my mom told me to just take 2,cuz at the back it says do not exceed more than 3
I'm getting real scared tho.The pains have increased.Now even my hips,and below my knees hurt.It feels like a bruise.But i see nothing.Why are my pains increasing im so scared i just want this to end
You would have to talk with your doctor about why she said to take 4, but if the package says 3 then why limit yourself to 2?
I also see it says ALEVE® should not be taken for more than 5 consecutive days for pain, except under the direction and supervision of a doctor.
I am not a doctor as you know, so I can only tell you to stay connected with your doctor, since it doesn't seem to be working.
Also let your doctor know that your mother would only let you take 2, because it is important that you be able to take what your doctor wants you to do and that your mother stops trying to manage the situation and accepts what the doctor says.
I wil try,thank u
Hi sir,it's me again.Please help me I'm getting worse
When was the last time you saw doc and  what happened?
i saw my dic last thursday.She told me i have disc bulges in c2,c3,c4 and told me the same thing,the exercises in pt.But does this disc bulge cause pain in my hips and knees too?I feel like im getting worse because mu body vibrates or shakes often.Idk if it's from disc bulge.Everytime i lift my head,it shakes,but u can't see it.Before it was only my left arm that vibrates when i bend it,but now it's my neck back and knees
and my neck pops often,every time i lift my head.I don't think this is from anxiety anymore
Popping sounds are harmless,so irrelevant to health. Don't worry about them, and I have had them since I was your age too. I don't even bother keeping track of them.
I don't know anything about disc bulges, but I have suffered from a sore back when I was younger and had bad posture. Your posture system is affected by your back and has lots of dependent parts -  so sometimes a pain in one place is what they call sympathy pain for the real problem over in another place in your body. So if doc says disc bulges are your problem, than the rest might go away if there is any way to resolve the disc.
But I've been doing treatments for 3 months now and pain is just spreading more and more and getting worse.I get sharp pains everyday everywhere.I cried again today and my dad just got mad at me and told me that I'm already 16 i shouldn't be a crybaby and all.Please help me,idk who to reach out anymore,I can't even reach out to my parents anymore
Please I really need help.I can't deal with this sharp pains any longer please It came to the point where i just wanna die please help me the pains don't stop
You left out some words. What did your doc mean here? "and told me the same thing,the exercises in pt."

I meant that my doc told me to continue exercises in pt
did she say there is anything to do that an help with the disc bulges?
she said the stretches and exercises
I Googled it and it seems most times the problem will heal itself if the patient does the proper exercises.
One key is maintaining good posture which most people nowadays don't bother doing, so perhaps you should read up on it to make sure you are doing everything possible for recovery.
but mr,my mom said it is myofascial pain,and once again,I am extremely scared, i heard myofascial pain lasts for years.Mr i don't know what to do anymore.Please tell me that it is just disc bulge.I don't want myofascial pain please
mr it's been 4 months.24 hrs of pain in 4 months,please im desperate for help
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