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Behavioral problems associated with hyperthyroid??
As to date.. symptoms
I just want to throw all of this out there because I'm under the impression that it is all related and since i don't have my labs I can show the cycle that i see reoccurring.
At first i did not see a cycle, everything was random and there was no real way to tell when it would happen again.
Things that follow are those that have stayed from the very beginning: Terrible joint pain, heart palpitations (increasing over time now to about every ten minutes or so and they cause me to cough because they are so deep) Hot flashes.. these use to be so bad and regular that they would happen for no reason and for every reason even when someone said something around me that was a little out of my comfort zone it would immediately trigger a hot flash very noticeable to everyone in the room (no.. its not the same as being embarrassed, trust me i know my body and what it does in each situation), a hot sensation all over my body but especially in my abdominal area which the doctor told me is because of a higher metabolism.. but still quite unusual, perspiring way more than i ever use to, a really fast heart rate that was just like the hot flashes in that nothing and everything could trigger it. It happened by itself at night, but with the thoughts (oh yes another symptom I haven't gotten to) that are reoccurring and that are very literally obsessive- my heart seems to really start racing with those which sometimes will cause the anxiety attacks, so i will explain the thought process although this did not start until i would say about six months ago to the extent that it is. I have always been a very .. overly analytical person of my actions- since i was a little kid. I have always had times of stress that really increased this analyzing of past events and now its almost like someone opened the flood gate of thoughts an there is no control to it whatsoever. I'm just in a constant state of action and then condemning of those actions mentally. It has also caused me to be extremely scatter brained to the point that I can not start one thing that I have to do because I am in such deep thought about all of the things that need to be done. I drove to walmart the other day for soap and literally circled the parking lot for 20 min because i couldn't decide whether or not it was what i really needed to do next or not. I ended up forgetting what i was doing in the first place and went and got something to eat after remembering that I had not eaten all day. Which brings me to another interesting little side effect. I have always been a ...overly healthy eater.. lets just put it that way. No problems eating for me.. ever. When the major breakdown happened after the divorce and bankruptcy and subsequent relationship the first thing to happen was that i lost my sense of taste and smell and lost my appetite all together. When i tired to eat it hurt my stomach, almost like i had an ulcer or something. So i really did not eat anything for about 20 days but I made myself drink water which i did not physically want to do at all either. This little numbing of the senses has cropped up ever since the first really bad one but the appetite diminishing is not ever as bad. .. Lets see.. my energy is non existent, I feel mentally, physically, emotionally.. in every way drained when its really bad. I can't even brush my teeth. I have insomnia.. REAL insomnia that is literally keeping me from sleeping at night because I stay in a wakened state and cant go to sleep no matter what I take, one night i took three xanax and drank a cup of tea with four bags of valerian root.. still no dice. I just felt like a drunk really tired person that could not sleep. It was very difficult during the school year to get my kids to school everyday and because my body is only able to sleep every day around 8 in the morning there were several times that i would pass out and sleep through alarms that were right by my head.. so taking care of my kids was and is still very difficult. My scalp is scaling up terribly, I have the worst case of dandruff I have ever had in my life, I have to scrub my head every day to keep it from being visible to other ppl. The doc also told me that my vit d is still low after taking supplements on a regular basis for the last several months after the first lab showed it to be low...
Things that are recent are the sexual aggression and just in general aggressive state and attitude toward others.
I was trying to come up with some sort of .. post divorce first time being single since i was 18 theory of why I would be behaving like this because it is literally not controllable.
I say things before I realize im even opening my mouth, I know longer look at men in the face first.. (i know.. i know..) I'm like an adolescent boy hitting puberty.. its just bizarre.
I am constantly thinking about sex.. its just not my behavior, its not normal for me and its very embarrassing. I am very outgoing naturally but it has really turned into a whole other level when i become confrontational with anyone over anything that i feel they did to me .. regardless of whether its based on fact or not.. its like im constantly looking for a reason to verbally assault someone and i almost want to get into a fight with them.
So again.. just very aggressive in every way, and if you knew me two or three years ago you would know this is not typical behavior for me. But all of this could be some sort of coping mechanism i suppose for all of the stress... but on the other hand it just feels out of control and with all of the other physical symptoms its just not right to call it purely stress or anxiety related.
As for the cycle I have seen in the last couple of months it appears that there is some sort of foreseeable peak and then extreme fall with the symptoms and it shows with my weight and hunger.
Before all of this happened I sat at 150 plus or minus a few pounds my whole adult life. After the initial fall I lost 17 pounds in the first month.
What has happened is that it has kinda settled on a ten pound differential. When im at 148 I start to go into the fast/storm cycle, everything gets tense, i get the anxiety spells, my heart rate goes crazy i think im going crazy all of the symptoms set in very quickly. I do this until I lose down to about 138-139 and then just like clock work everything settles down and my appetite returns, my head clears up, and im fine for a bit. This cycle takes not quite a month to complete but it is very consistent- or so it has been for the last three or four months that i have noticed it.
Now. It is just my theory of course but I would speculate that my body is trying to get back to its natural thresh hold but every time it does so something happens or it is unable to find a stability and causes it to crash. So this could have one of two outcomes if this is in fact what is going on.
1) My body will finally elevate to where it wants to be hormonally.. weight wise.. all that stuff and finally put the breaks on..
or
2) It will continue trying to find the norm until it burns out and goes into a state that it can not function properly at all for anytime period.
So.. please let me know any and all thoughts on the matter.
And whether or not you think there is something to this theory of trying to get back to the norm .. and what could be a glitch that would keep it crashing every time it hits its more stable zone. if that makes any sense at all.
Thanks again
Candace-
I just want to throw all of this out there because I'm under the impression that it is all related and since i don't have my labs I can show the cycle that i see reoccurring.
At first i did not see a cycle, everything was random and there was no real way to tell when it would happen again.
Things that follow are those that have stayed from the very beginning: Terrible joint pain, heart palpitations (increasing over time now to about every ten minutes or so and they cause me to cough because they are so deep) Hot flashes.. these use to be so bad and regular that they would happen for no reason and for every reason even when someone said something around me that was a little out of my comfort zone it would immediately trigger a hot flash very noticeable to everyone in the room (no.. its not the same as being embarrassed, trust me i know my body and what it does in each situation), a hot sensation all over my body but especially in my abdominal area which the doctor told me is because of a higher metabolism.. but still quite unusual, perspiring way more than i ever use to, a really fast heart rate that was just like the hot flashes in that nothing and everything could trigger it. It happened by itself at night, but with the thoughts (oh yes another symptom I haven't gotten to) that are reoccurring and that are very literally obsessive- my heart seems to really start racing with those which sometimes will cause the anxiety attacks, so i will explain the thought process although this did not start until i would say about six months ago to the extent that it is. I have always been a very .. overly analytical person of my actions- since i was a little kid. I have always had times of stress that really increased this analyzing of past events and now its almost like someone opened the flood gate of thoughts an there is no control to it whatsoever. I'm just in a constant state of action and then condemning of those actions mentally. It has also caused me to be extremely scatter brained to the point that I can not start one thing that I have to do because I am in such deep thought about all of the things that need to be done. I drove to walmart the other day for soap and literally circled the parking lot for 20 min because i couldn't decide whether or not it was what i really needed to do next or not. I ended up forgetting what i was doing in the first place and went and got something to eat after remembering that I had not eaten all day. Which brings me to another interesting little side effect. I have always been a ...overly healthy eater.. lets just put it that way. No problems eating for me.. ever. When the major breakdown happened after the divorce and bankruptcy and subsequent relationship the first thing to happen was that i lost my sense of taste and smell and lost my appetite all together. When i tired to eat it hurt my stomach, almost like i had an ulcer or something. So i really did not eat anything for about 20 days but I made myself drink water which i did not physically want to do at all either. This little numbing of the senses has cropped up ever since the first really bad one but the appetite diminishing is not ever as bad. .. Lets see.. my energy is non existent, I feel mentally, physically, emotionally.. in every way drained when its really bad. I can't even brush my teeth. I have insomnia.. REAL insomnia that is literally keeping me from sleeping at night because I stay in a wakened state and cant go to sleep no matter what I take, one night i took three xanax and drank a cup of tea with four bags of valerian root.. still no dice. I just felt like a drunk really tired person that could not sleep. It was very difficult during the school year to get my kids to school everyday and because my body is only able to sleep every day around 8 in the morning there were several times that i would pass out and sleep through alarms that were right by my head.. so taking care of my kids was and is still very difficult. My scalp is scaling up terribly, I have the worst case of dandruff I have ever had in my life, I have to scrub my head every day to keep it from being visible to other ppl. The doc also told me that my vit d is still low after taking supplements on a regular basis for the last several months after the first lab showed it to be low...
Things that are recent are the sexual aggression and just in general aggressive state and attitude toward others.
I was trying to come up with some sort of .. post divorce first time being single since i was 18 theory of why I would be behaving like this because it is literally not controllable.
I say things before I realize im even opening my mouth, I know longer look at men in the face first.. (i know.. i know..) I'm like an adolescent boy hitting puberty.. its just bizarre.
I am constantly thinking about sex.. its just not my behavior, its not normal for me and its very embarrassing. I am very outgoing naturally but it has really turned into a whole other level when i become confrontational with anyone over anything that i feel they did to me .. regardless of whether its based on fact or not.. its like im constantly looking for a reason to verbally assault someone and i almost want to get into a fight with them.
So again.. just very aggressive in every way, and if you knew me two or three years ago you would know this is not typical behavior for me. But all of this could be some sort of coping mechanism i suppose for all of the stress... but on the other hand it just feels out of control and with all of the other physical symptoms its just not right to call it purely stress or anxiety related.
As for the cycle I have seen in the last couple of months it appears that there is some sort of foreseeable peak and then extreme fall with the symptoms and it shows with my weight and hunger.
Before all of this happened I sat at 150 plus or minus a few pounds my whole adult life. After the initial fall I lost 17 pounds in the first month.
What has happened is that it has kinda settled on a ten pound differential. When im at 148 I start to go into the fast/storm cycle, everything gets tense, i get the anxiety spells, my heart rate goes crazy i think im going crazy all of the symptoms set in very quickly. I do this until I lose down to about 138-139 and then just like clock work everything settles down and my appetite returns, my head clears up, and im fine for a bit. This cycle takes not quite a month to complete but it is very consistent- or so it has been for the last three or four months that i have noticed it.
Now. It is just my theory of course but I would speculate that my body is trying to get back to its natural thresh hold but every time it does so something happens or it is unable to find a stability and causes it to crash. So this could have one of two outcomes if this is in fact what is going on.
1) My body will finally elevate to where it wants to be hormonally.. weight wise.. all that stuff and finally put the breaks on..
or
2) It will continue trying to find the norm until it burns out and goes into a state that it can not function properly at all for anytime period.
So.. please let me know any and all thoughts on the matter.
And whether or not you think there is something to this theory of trying to get back to the norm .. and what could be a glitch that would keep it crashing every time it hits its more stable zone. if that makes any sense at all.
Thanks again
Candace-
oh sorry. forgot to tell you. My fam pract doc sent me to an endo here in wichita falls, however he has managed to be completely useless in the last three months of seeing him. He tells me one min I don't have any problems and then i ask him why then my fam pract doc said that I did.. the endo then looks at my paperwork and goes.."ah yes, well it looks as though your tsh is low".. the next month he calls me in and says that from the last blood work they pulled it seems that my t3 and t4 may be leveling out so he would not like to do anything at all for this session (he's just padding his walled meanwhile rather than giving me the courtesy of a phone call so that I don't go up there for absolutely no reason)
Im just really irritated by his very presence in the matter because he is the only endo in wichita falls, which is why he is so irresponsible. Im explaining to these ppl that I have been up for up to 3 days straight, that I have admitted myself to the ER several times in the last month over anxiety attacks thinking i was dying.. and their spending their time figuring out what is going on.
Im getting angry even typing about it so im going to stop.
I don't know my labs because I have not had anyone serious enough or l guess concerned enough with the details of healthy living to tell me. I have just been explained that tsh is like an ac unit. When t3 and t4 are cycling sporadically they can cause the tsh to just shut of which is why it is showing as low on my labs.
Ive asked for a transfer to another doc which of course is an hour and a half drive from where i live, so this is unfortunately not possible as I am barely making the bankruptcy payments and have four kiddos at home with me most of the week.
So out of sheer incompetence from these ppl I don't have any ability to get help, which is why I am on this forum trying to figure things out for myself.
I think that covers everything.
Im just really irritated by his very presence in the matter because he is the only endo in wichita falls, which is why he is so irresponsible. Im explaining to these ppl that I have been up for up to 3 days straight, that I have admitted myself to the ER several times in the last month over anxiety attacks thinking i was dying.. and their spending their time figuring out what is going on.
Im getting angry even typing about it so im going to stop.
I don't know my labs because I have not had anyone serious enough or l guess concerned enough with the details of healthy living to tell me. I have just been explained that tsh is like an ac unit. When t3 and t4 are cycling sporadically they can cause the tsh to just shut of which is why it is showing as low on my labs.
Ive asked for a transfer to another doc which of course is an hour and a half drive from where i live, so this is unfortunately not possible as I am barely making the bankruptcy payments and have four kiddos at home with me most of the week.
So out of sheer incompetence from these ppl I don't have any ability to get help, which is why I am on this forum trying to figure things out for myself.
I think that covers everything.
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you sound like I was to T. I was diagnosed w bipolar. 'Le sigh' *eyeroll* Get your T3 T4 and T3 reverse tested. Make sure you request ALL of them. You have hyperthyroid. You might have a dairy or gluten sensitivity or something that's causing it that you need to be aware of. You should also have a food panel done to check for any and all sensitivities and signs of a leaky gut. Also... make sure you don't have the mthfr gene. Just something to think about. Best of luck!
you sound like I was to T. I was diagnosed w bipolar. 'Le sigh' *eyeroll* Get your T3 T4 and T3 reverse tested. Make sure you request ALL of them. You have hyperthyroid. You might have a dairy or gluten sensitivity or something that's causing it that you need to be aware of. You should also have a food panel done to check for any and all sensitivities and signs of a leaky gut. Also... make sure you don't have the mthfr gene. Just something to think about. Best of luck!
haha. wow. well you should hear me talk. I sound the way im thinking when its really bad, can't decide which of my thoughts to let out first and its seems as though they are fighting to get out of my mouth at the same time...and gawd forbid if you should ask me any questions before i finish a complete thought lol.
Anyhow, I have just found this website and started up a forum over all of the problems ive been having. One of the ppl to respond said that I should post the symptoms part on an ask a doc.
I will try to sum everything up as briefly as possible:
2006 is when symptoms started occurring but at the time i found out that i was pregnant and I assumed that the symptoms (hot flashes, palpitations, excessive sweating) were due to the pregnancy.
After pregnancy my symptoms continued followed with severe joint pain, but i had just gotten out of the military and thought it was from the running we did on a reg basis. The joint pain started in both knees, moved up to both hips then to both shoulders and finally into both elbows. This is when i had my doc do an RA test which came up positive for RA factor. However he told me this did not mean necessarily that I had rheumatoid arthritis. But with all of the symptoms presenting he wondered if I did not have a pituitary tumor. So a scan was done (with an iodine sollution by the way, at the time i did not know what i know now about how sensitive the thyroid is to iodine and im wondering what on earth is wrong with these ppl that they would elect to use it for a scan of your brain knowing this) and the scan came up normal.
I continued pressing my doctor over the months because the palpitations really scared me. He started doing labs on me several months in a row and subsequently explained how tsh,t3 and t4 all work and that it seems that I have a problem with my thyroid.
In 2008 My home was flooded 3 ft deep, I had no flood ins. I lost my current and rental home, had to file bankruptcy, got a divorce, got into a relationship ..which ended up being viciously antagonistic and violent and finally that is when all of the majority of my symptoms set it.
The first thing to happen was i lost both taste and smell entirely which also caused me to lose my appetite all together. I went into a severe depression and did not eat for about 20 days.. i made myself drink water because I knew i needed at least that but my body did not tell me i was thirsty at all. It did not want anything actually, if i ate it caused pain in my stomach like i had an ulcer or something. I could not walk at all because i had no energy, i just crawled to the bathroom when i needed to. I lost my job and could not even take care of my kids properly.
The severity of this lasted about 3 months after which I was able to start going out in public again. But new symptoms along with the old were now present.
That is where the above mentioned symptoms list comes into play.
So i believe that I was showing signs of abnormal thyroid before the major onset, but then with the stress it just went into full hyper mode and is now accompanied with behavioral problems.
My old roommate and my ex both have told me that I need to go get checked for ADD but my ex told me surprisingly that he always thought I had it... that its not just been recent. So i don't know for sure what to think of any of it. I just know for sure some crazy stuff is going on and sometimes its really bad psychologically.
Severe anxiety attacks, depression, constant racing and obsessive thought patterns and extreme insomnia are now the worst part of this whole ordeal.
Hope I have not made it more confusing.
Candace-
Anyhow, I have just found this website and started up a forum over all of the problems ive been having. One of the ppl to respond said that I should post the symptoms part on an ask a doc.
I will try to sum everything up as briefly as possible:
2006 is when symptoms started occurring but at the time i found out that i was pregnant and I assumed that the symptoms (hot flashes, palpitations, excessive sweating) were due to the pregnancy.
After pregnancy my symptoms continued followed with severe joint pain, but i had just gotten out of the military and thought it was from the running we did on a reg basis. The joint pain started in both knees, moved up to both hips then to both shoulders and finally into both elbows. This is when i had my doc do an RA test which came up positive for RA factor. However he told me this did not mean necessarily that I had rheumatoid arthritis. But with all of the symptoms presenting he wondered if I did not have a pituitary tumor. So a scan was done (with an iodine sollution by the way, at the time i did not know what i know now about how sensitive the thyroid is to iodine and im wondering what on earth is wrong with these ppl that they would elect to use it for a scan of your brain knowing this) and the scan came up normal.
I continued pressing my doctor over the months because the palpitations really scared me. He started doing labs on me several months in a row and subsequently explained how tsh,t3 and t4 all work and that it seems that I have a problem with my thyroid.
In 2008 My home was flooded 3 ft deep, I had no flood ins. I lost my current and rental home, had to file bankruptcy, got a divorce, got into a relationship ..which ended up being viciously antagonistic and violent and finally that is when all of the majority of my symptoms set it.
The first thing to happen was i lost both taste and smell entirely which also caused me to lose my appetite all together. I went into a severe depression and did not eat for about 20 days.. i made myself drink water because I knew i needed at least that but my body did not tell me i was thirsty at all. It did not want anything actually, if i ate it caused pain in my stomach like i had an ulcer or something. I could not walk at all because i had no energy, i just crawled to the bathroom when i needed to. I lost my job and could not even take care of my kids properly.
The severity of this lasted about 3 months after which I was able to start going out in public again. But new symptoms along with the old were now present.
That is where the above mentioned symptoms list comes into play.
So i believe that I was showing signs of abnormal thyroid before the major onset, but then with the stress it just went into full hyper mode and is now accompanied with behavioral problems.
My old roommate and my ex both have told me that I need to go get checked for ADD but my ex told me surprisingly that he always thought I had it... that its not just been recent. So i don't know for sure what to think of any of it. I just know for sure some crazy stuff is going on and sometimes its really bad psychologically.
Severe anxiety attacks, depression, constant racing and obsessive thought patterns and extreme insomnia are now the worst part of this whole ordeal.
Hope I have not made it more confusing.
Candace-
Hi-
So is this all recent or benn going on forever?
What do your lab tests say? Are you seeing an endocrinologist? What does the doctor say?
Just the way you write seems kind of manic. But that could be cause by being hyperthyroid for sure. Could even be that you've got high cortisol levels? Could be menopause from h^ll?
What do you think?
Horselip
So is this all recent or benn going on forever?
What do your lab tests say? Are you seeing an endocrinologist? What does the doctor say?
Just the way you write seems kind of manic. But that could be cause by being hyperthyroid for sure. Could even be that you've got high cortisol levels? Could be menopause from h^ll?
What do you think?
Horselip
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