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Do Celiac and Hastimoto's go hand in hand?
What is the likelihood of having both of them...high percentage??
Mia
Mia
Thank you again Lazymoose!
i think you hit the nail on the head! I am taking T3 but may (or may not) need to increase, I am waiting it out for a new blood test and reading in 2weeks! I am sure to post and discuss it all when that date comes.
I have stopped Gluten and am trying with sugar (that's the hardest!!) For two days now and I feel better already! I do take live probiotics and lactose free yogurt. I will google things and try to get this GI along with my Funky Thyroid better! I do hope that some day I can experience a Bear claw pastry...and some pasta again....maybe for my last supper...
Mia
In Northern CA ...((((GO 49ers))))
i think you hit the nail on the head! I am taking T3 but may (or may not) need to increase, I am waiting it out for a new blood test and reading in 2weeks! I am sure to post and discuss it all when that date comes.
I have stopped Gluten and am trying with sugar (that's the hardest!!) For two days now and I feel better already! I do take live probiotics and lactose free yogurt. I will google things and try to get this GI along with my Funky Thyroid better! I do hope that some day I can experience a Bear claw pastry...and some pasta again....maybe for my last supper...
Mia
In Northern CA ...((((GO 49ers))))
"Antibiotic for an infection" -
Antibiotics kill bacteria in the digestive tract. The good bacteria in the gut is eradicated as well as the bad, so the imbalance can remain, if there was one to begin with. Natural approaches can work better at times. At least it did with me when modern medicine made it worse. I gave up on Drs and fixed it myself.
What I and others have learned is modern medicine does not understand gut flora hardly at all or its link to hypothyroidism. I have no digestive issues any more. None. Per Doctors, surgery was the only fix for my nighttime acid reflux burning my throat coupled with the strange inability to digest certain foods properly - did not make sense to me. I believe the lack of stomach acid from no additional T3 set up a digestive environment that catered to unwanted gut flora, the home saliva water test (don't laugh at it) proved this, as it works better than lab tests some have found. You really should goggle it.
I did get a celiac test - negative results.
Fixing body PH (per ph test strips in saliva) with alkalizing diet along with a gluten and sugar free diet for 3 -4 months made things better, way better. Then adding T3 to my thy meds was the topping on the cake. I eat gluten again, no probs.
This was the pattern: So in my case it was from low thyroid (from just T4 med), that caused digestive environment that catered to unwanted gut flora that also fed and go worse from gluten and suger and then led to the inability to digest certain things.
So for me gluten caused some side effects but it was not the initial problem. I doubt so many anti gluten types look this far into their gluten sensitivity.
Gut health is everything and its connected to the brain, cant forget that. Medical doctors with all the chemical meds, do not get this.
Antibiotics kill bacteria in the digestive tract. The good bacteria in the gut is eradicated as well as the bad, so the imbalance can remain, if there was one to begin with. Natural approaches can work better at times. At least it did with me when modern medicine made it worse. I gave up on Drs and fixed it myself.
What I and others have learned is modern medicine does not understand gut flora hardly at all or its link to hypothyroidism. I have no digestive issues any more. None. Per Doctors, surgery was the only fix for my nighttime acid reflux burning my throat coupled with the strange inability to digest certain foods properly - did not make sense to me. I believe the lack of stomach acid from no additional T3 set up a digestive environment that catered to unwanted gut flora, the home saliva water test (don't laugh at it) proved this, as it works better than lab tests some have found. You really should goggle it.
I did get a celiac test - negative results.
Fixing body PH (per ph test strips in saliva) with alkalizing diet along with a gluten and sugar free diet for 3 -4 months made things better, way better. Then adding T3 to my thy meds was the topping on the cake. I eat gluten again, no probs.
This was the pattern: So in my case it was from low thyroid (from just T4 med), that caused digestive environment that catered to unwanted gut flora that also fed and go worse from gluten and suger and then led to the inability to digest certain things.
So for me gluten caused some side effects but it was not the initial problem. I doubt so many anti gluten types look this far into their gluten sensitivity.
Gut health is everything and its connected to the brain, cant forget that. Medical doctors with all the chemical meds, do not get this.
Thank you for your input.
I know I have been Hypo for a while (years) and just now have gotten the test for a positive Hastimoto. Months back I was given an Antibiotic for a infection that caused me to feel sick. I stopped it and was given another type. That was months ago and I still have GI problems... the Doctor thinks it may be the Hasti's and should get better as I get the right dosage going for me. But I am really starting to wonder as I do experience some of the symptoms of Celiac...but then it seems all the diseases have some of the similar signs...fatigue (who doesn't have that!!) bloating, etc, etc...I decided to go off gluten for a while and see if I get better..or maybe I need to test for Celic (?) I am also lactose intolerant,
I guess I could just blame everything on my funky thyroid.
Mia
I know I have been Hypo for a while (years) and just now have gotten the test for a positive Hastimoto. Months back I was given an Antibiotic for a infection that caused me to feel sick. I stopped it and was given another type. That was months ago and I still have GI problems... the Doctor thinks it may be the Hasti's and should get better as I get the right dosage going for me. But I am really starting to wonder as I do experience some of the symptoms of Celiac...but then it seems all the diseases have some of the similar signs...fatigue (who doesn't have that!!) bloating, etc, etc...I decided to go off gluten for a while and see if I get better..or maybe I need to test for Celic (?) I am also lactose intolerant,
I guess I could just blame everything on my funky thyroid.
Mia
Coeliac's (UK) or Celiac = same.
At least true Celiac can be verified with blood testing, and true Celiac results in great digestive pain not just discomfort so it should not be so hard to diagnose one would think......?
Remember, Gluten intolerance, the buzz phrase for the last couple of years, is not the same as Celiac disease. So this leads me to something different, but related and maybe the info below should be on its own post?
I find it interesting that so many are talking about "gluten intolerance or sensitivity", yet so many know very LITTLE about digestive bacterial overgrowth and that it can be responsible for there vast array of symptoms.
Digestive bacterial overgrowth most likely is little known because it sounds gross and has no fancy 'buzz word' associated with it at this time. Men, woman and children can have this, which can lead to bloating, weight gain, gut pain, acid reflux (GERD), IBS, brain fog, muscle and body pain. It feeds on grains, pasta (gluten), sugar - what the modern civilization consumes to much of.
So many associate Candida with only the groin area, which it totally incorrect. Candida Albicans are just one example of bad bacteria, yeast that can invade gut flora. It can sometimes be detectable with laboratory saliva testing, or at home just Google "candida saliva water test". Going gluten and sugar free for only several months are often all that is needed along with simultaneously treating with certain herbs, supplements meant for this (google). The home test can be repeated as much as you want, for free. Gluten can slowly be returned to your diet, but at moderate levels. Best to stay away from massive amounts of sugar.
There is not much information on this on the web, but its in books written by naturopath types and certain digestive gurus. I have read where people with under treated Hashimoto can have low volumes (quantities) of stomach acid which can lead to a favorable atmosphere for this temporary condition. This is not "smoke and mirrors", its real and pretty straight forward.
I wonder if so many of the gluten intolerant types really have some type of gut bacteria, yeast overgrowth, and are starving off these gut offenders by cutting off their food supply - being gluten. If this is the case, its not forever.
At least true Celiac can be verified with blood testing, and true Celiac results in great digestive pain not just discomfort so it should not be so hard to diagnose one would think......?
Remember, Gluten intolerance, the buzz phrase for the last couple of years, is not the same as Celiac disease. So this leads me to something different, but related and maybe the info below should be on its own post?
I find it interesting that so many are talking about "gluten intolerance or sensitivity", yet so many know very LITTLE about digestive bacterial overgrowth and that it can be responsible for there vast array of symptoms.
Digestive bacterial overgrowth most likely is little known because it sounds gross and has no fancy 'buzz word' associated with it at this time. Men, woman and children can have this, which can lead to bloating, weight gain, gut pain, acid reflux (GERD), IBS, brain fog, muscle and body pain. It feeds on grains, pasta (gluten), sugar - what the modern civilization consumes to much of.
So many associate Candida with only the groin area, which it totally incorrect. Candida Albicans are just one example of bad bacteria, yeast that can invade gut flora. It can sometimes be detectable with laboratory saliva testing, or at home just Google "candida saliva water test". Going gluten and sugar free for only several months are often all that is needed along with simultaneously treating with certain herbs, supplements meant for this (google). The home test can be repeated as much as you want, for free. Gluten can slowly be returned to your diet, but at moderate levels. Best to stay away from massive amounts of sugar.
There is not much information on this on the web, but its in books written by naturopath types and certain digestive gurus. I have read where people with under treated Hashimoto can have low volumes (quantities) of stomach acid which can lead to a favorable atmosphere for this temporary condition. This is not "smoke and mirrors", its real and pretty straight forward.
I wonder if so many of the gluten intolerant types really have some type of gut bacteria, yeast overgrowth, and are starving off these gut offenders by cutting off their food supply - being gluten. If this is the case, its not forever.
To add, Coeliac's Disease is strongly associated with specific HLA class II genes known as HLA-DQ2 and HLA-DQ8 located on chromosome 6p21.
A 2007 Dutch study entitled "Coeliac disease in Dutch patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis and vice versa" published in the World Journal of Gastroenterology, confirmed a connection between Hashimotos Thyroiditis and Coeliac disease.
RESULTS:
Of 104 patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, sixteen (15%) were positive for coeliac serology and five patients with documented villous atrophy were diagnosed with coeliac disease (4.8%; 95% CI 0.7-8.9). HLA-DQ2 (and/or -DQ8) was present in all the five and 53 patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis (50%; 95% CI 43-62).
Of 184 patients with coeliac disease, 39 (21%) were positive for thyroid serology. Based on thyroid biochemistry, the 39 patients were subclassified into euthyroidism in ten (5%; 95% CI 2-9), subclinical hypothyroidism in seven (3.8%; 95% CI 1.8-7.6), and overt hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's thyroiditis) in 22 (12%; 95% CI 8-16). Moreover, four patients with coeliac disease had Graves' disease (2%; 95% CI 0.8-5) and one patient had post-partum thyroiditis.
PMID: 17461476 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"
RESULTS:
Of 104 patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, sixteen (15%) were positive for coeliac serology and five patients with documented villous atrophy were diagnosed with coeliac disease (4.8%; 95% CI 0.7-8.9). HLA-DQ2 (and/or -DQ8) was present in all the five and 53 patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis (50%; 95% CI 43-62).
Of 184 patients with coeliac disease, 39 (21%) were positive for thyroid serology. Based on thyroid biochemistry, the 39 patients were subclassified into euthyroidism in ten (5%; 95% CI 2-9), subclinical hypothyroidism in seven (3.8%; 95% CI 1.8-7.6), and overt hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's thyroiditis) in 22 (12%; 95% CI 8-16). Moreover, four patients with coeliac disease had Graves' disease (2%; 95% CI 0.8-5) and one patient had post-partum thyroiditis.
PMID: 17461476 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"
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No, Celiac and Hashi don't necessarily go hand in hand. The connection is that they are both autoimmune diseases and once a person has one autoimmune, the chances of them getting another increase. For instance, I have Hashi and Pernicious Anemia; others might get Hashi and RA, etc.
There are people with both diseases, people with just Celiac and those of us with just Hashimoto's. Some people, with Hashi's, do very well on a gluten free diet, for others it does nothing.
There are people with both diseases, people with just Celiac and those of us with just Hashimoto's. Some people, with Hashi's, do very well on a gluten free diet, for others it does nothing.
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