Hi, I just went through a 6 week bout with hyperthyroidism. The Doctor thinks it was iodine-induced hyperthyroidism (Jod-Basedow) after I consumed a large quantity of iodine drops and also painting my wrists and throat with iodine to ward off a cold. I'm on my 7th week and feel fine now and my thyroid levels are back in the normal range. I went through hell the first few weeks and gradually got better. The doctor did not prescribe any meds and all I took was 300 mg of magnesium at night which really controled the palpitaions and hearet rate. The only thing reamining is this dry, irritating throat. It started around the 2nd week of the hyperthyroidism and it's been 5 weeks now since I had it. There seems to be no swelling, goiter or lumps just really dry and like there is phlegm or something stuck in there. I have to keep on clearing my throat. I've tried humidifiers and drink at least 10 glasses of water a day. Also on the onset of the hyperthyroidism I had a bout of bronchitis which took about 3 weeks to clear. I see an endrocrinologist on Mar 1. So I hope he can help with the throat. Thank you for any input.
I know what you mean about the sticking sensation in your throat. Drinking water does help a bit and it feels better for awhile after I eat . When I touch the area there is no pain just a ticklish sensation and a slight feeling of weakness in the body with a bit of lightheadedness. It also bothers me if I wear a turtle neck or cover my neck.There is a mild intermittment pain sometimes on either side but only lasts a few minutes. But some days it is better. Maybe it is some inflammation still clearing up. I'm so happy all those other horrible symptoms are gone. It was a real nightmare to go through that. All my blood tests are now good, my blood pressure is really good and pulse back down to my normal range of 60 beats p/minute. My antibodies are good (negative) so there is no auto-immune problems. I'm glad I found this forum.
There are family members with hypothyroidism and on thyroid hormones. One of my nieces who is only 16 years old. And my sister had a bout with hyperthyroidism after she gave birth to her second child. Other than that there may be other family members as they are overweight although they don't eat that much.I've been encouraging them to get their thyroids checked.As for me I am slim and active. I have always been slim no matter what I ate. I was also taking tons of supplements for weight training and cardio training. Stuff that I found out increases the metabolism. I wonder if that also may have been a factor. I was using it for more energy to do my workouts. Now all I take is the magnesium before bed. As far as other symptoms most of them are all gone. I had all the major ones...racing heart, palpitations, extreme anxiety out of no where, confusion, temor, fever, hot spells, tolerence to cold, sever fatigue, sore eyes and vision problems, breathlessness...it was awful. I may have went through a brief hypo last week as I had these major chills, and lack of appetite. But this week it all cleared up except for the throat which is very annoying.I hope your throat gets better too. Thanks.
I never heard of such a thing as iodine for colds. Infections, yes and throat, maybe. I would think you'd have to congest an awful lot of iodine and for a long time, longer than a cold would last. If its from cold, why not V-C, zinc every few hours, as well as other vitamins/minerals and old fashioned chicken soup. A little bandy at night for the throat if its from a cold, as well as herbal tea with honey and lemon. When congested with a cold I use to put vicks vaporub on my chest and put a towel over it to help keep the generated heat in and keep it off my PJ and crank up the electric blanket. Also rubbed it on my feet and put on socks. All this will help sweat, and I mean sweat, out all the cold germs.
Now you might suffer the consequences of iodine.
Hard to tell what the Endo. will do. Physically palpitate your neck/throat/thyroid. If he doesn't feels something off he'll probably do more test, but it he doesn't feel anything he'll probably send you on your way and back to you general physician.
Just my personal opinion and/or experience. Always discuss your health issue with your doctor , always adhere to your doctors advise and, you always have the right to a second opinion. Nothing is a 100% or a 100%, 100% of the time. However, we are not all alike!
Hi Graves Lady
Thank you for your input. I read about the iodine from some natural health sites as well as home remedy articles.They say to paint your wrists and neck with iodine to stop a cold or bronchitis. I now think this is a dangerous practice as the iodine is absorbed into the skin and directly into your bloodstream. The night I did that just before bed caused me to awaken gasping for air with a bad allergic reaction which caused me to end up in the ER. Everything happened from that moment on. Now I know that excess iodine can trigger hyperthyroidism. Any way I will never do that again. Did you have any throat problems? Thank you.
I had a MRI with contrast back in August. A couple weeks after that exposure, I started having hyperthyroid symptoms. Palps, anxiety, panic attacks, wt. loss, eye problems. Then after about 2 months, it switched to all hypothyroid symptoms. I went undiagnosed until mid January after I went to an ENT for "throat problems". I felt like I was being strangled, dry throat, constantly trying to clear it. He did an ultrasound which showed an enlarged thyroid with 3 nodules. I then had an uptake scan done which showed that one of those nodules was "hot". Endo told me I had thyroiditis, but never told me what type or what my treatment plan was going to be. I have continued to cycle between having hypo/hyper symptoms since. My next appointment with endo is in March with a different doctor.
I definitely know how you are feeling with the throat thing. It started out as a minor annoyance, but since my thyroid has continued to get larger, it is absolutely miserable. My PCP wrote it off as post nasal drip, thank God for a great ENT, or I probably would still be undiagnosed. My advice? Keep a drink handy. I drink so much, because if I don't, my throat feels like it is sticking together. Do you have any discomfort around your throat as far as if you touch it? Do you have any other symptoms? Any thyroid problems in your family? Just curious! Take care.
I have never heard of anyone taking 20 drops a day, 3x's a day!!! Good God, the highest I have usually heard of is like 3-6 drops of Lugol's 3'xs a day. I am so glad you are okay now!!! And sorry I can't help with the dry throat question, unless it were also related to heartburn or regirgitation.
Take care and can I ask, where did you hear to take that much Lugol's. If it's from a book, it could be a major misprint!!!
Just glad your better, but don't be so afraid now of Iodine that you grow a goiter like me, (no table salt for me either), just make sure you are getting the "right" amount. And just so you know, women in Japan get a ton of Iodine in their diets and they are okay, not as much as you were taking with the 60 drops a day, but much higher than our RDA. So, you should be fine!
I hope all stays well with you, and that your dry throat gets better fast!!!
It has been my experience that no one here knows a thing about Iodine, as far as how it can help the body and naturopathic cures. I am pasting a website here for you to check out. Also, if you join the iodine group, you will get emails from every topic regarding Iodine (good and bad), and can get answers to all of your questions. Many of them have done the iodine painting for one problem or another and still do the painting, and some of them are in teh medical profession, so they might be better able to explain what happened, or at the very least share a simliar problem. Anyway, I totally get, and am with you on trying to cure without prescription drugs, since those don't cure anything, however, I would be more careful with Iodine.
How much did you take? and also, did you have hyperthyroidism before this?
I took a lot of iodine. I painted both wrists with four layers of the red iodine and my throat with the clear stuff as well and 3 days of iodine drops before that..20 drops 3 times a day. I also discovered that I was taking a new supplement that had iodine in it as well as kelp and Vital greens. That is lot lot for someone who did not use any table salt before and stayed away from processed foods. The night I did the painting I woke up shortly after falling asleep with a severe reaction which ended me up in the ER and that is also when the hyper began. I also developed huge rashes on my wrists. Thank God I am alright now but it took 6 weeks. Also my throat is better today too. I was told that iodine-induced hyperthyroidism takes on average 10 to 12 weeks to clear. I have been iodine free or iodine low cause there are trace amounts in vegetables and even meat for 7 weeks now. Not everyone is alike as some are more sensitive to certain things than others. As far as the iodine I am convinced this is what caused the reaction and the bout with hyperthyroidism.
I agree with your statement " I believe that anyone who wants to try ingested iodine supplementation should do it under the direction of a knowledgeable doctor. Any other advice seems fool-hardy given the cold hard FACTS."
I sure learned my lesson and now look at supplements as medicine. I used to take all kinds of supplements and herbs. Now that I am well again I am taking a much more conservative and balanced approach to health. Proper diet and moderate excercise, keeping myself happy and laughing alot and being nice to people. My heart and prayers go out to all those suffering with hyper or hypothyroidism it is an awful condition and I hope that there will be more awareness in the medical world.
That's pretty bold. I don't know what makes you such a expert on the matter - and I sincerely hope it is more than just internet research with a statement like that.
I do not profess to be an expert of any kind... I am always learning...
You might be interested in what I have learnt today..
As a nursing student I just got this semester's text book on critical care nursing. I turned to the section which discusses the care of patients' suffering thyroid storm.
Along with other drugs used to treat THYROID STORM (off the topic) are;
-Sodium iodide is used to (and I quote) "inhibit synthesis of thyroid hormones and their release into circulation" the dosage quoted is in grams so is quite high.
AS WELL AS>>>
-Lugol's solution (and I quote again) "inhibits synthesis of thyroid hormones and their release into the circulation" and the dosage quoted is 30 drops daily divided in 3-4 doses.
ALSO listed as a cause of Hyperthyroidism is;
"Exogenous iodine in patient with preexisting thyroid disease: exposure to iodine load from radiographic contrast dyes, medications (amiodarone, organidine)"
So it seems clear to me that there is a fine balance between two little and two much iodine.
I believe that anyone who wants to try ingested iodine supplementation should do it under the direction of a knowledgeable doctor. Any other advice seems fool-hardy given the cold hard FACTS.
I personally don't know enough about this iodine painting to comment, but I'm not really interested in it either.
No offence is intended by this post - I am just deeply concerned about the quality of information being accepted. I know that Abl has only good intentions (as do I). We would all like to find a miraculous solution to our thyroid troubles.
"It has been my experience that no one here knows a thing about Iodine, as far as how it can help the body and naturopathic cures."
Do not delete the most important part of that sentence which was, how it can help the body and it's use in naturopathic cures!!! No one on this forum ever talks about naturopathic cures, or even Armour for that matter for curing thyroid issues. Which isn't even what the poor girl wanted to do. From this web group I now know a lot about, how many "things" people are trying to treat with Iodine, from thyroids to cysts, to sore throats, it's endless!!! They are trying to cure things I have never even heard of. But they talk about Good experiences, bad experiences, and the "it didn't do a thing" experiences. And, I wanted her to have that website info, so she could ask other people what had happened to them when doing the "painting", since they do it, and I knew that I have never come across anyone here who had. Plus on this Iodine for your health group website, people do that whole Lugol's drop's thing, and I just really thought if she was scared or freaked out still (which obvioiusly she was or she wouldn't have reached out on a forum like this), that would be a place to look for support or questions. I for one would never start supplementing myself, like she did and a lot of these people do, because I have a healthy fear and respect for the whole Iodine deficiency thing.
So, as far as how iodine works in your thyroid...yes you all know a great deal! Of that, I have no argument, nor did I say as much to berky. Yes, you all know a ton about all of the synthetic hormone replacements and are very supportive of all of the thyroid surgeries and cancers, and all of that!!! I never even remotely implied otherwise in my email to Berky. So, I really don't know why you got so hostile about me. What I said, i repeated above, and that is it. So, please don't bash me, you don't know me, and furthermore I never offered her any advice on how much she should be taking or what form or for what. What I asked was, how much did she take, and when she told me, I was shocked! Of all teh people I have read doing that kind of thing, she exceeded their amounts by triple fold!!! I am crazy curious as to how or who told her that amount is okay!!! For a sore throat, it sounded way excessive. I am just glad she is feeling good now, and again I said as much.
Now then, please don't put my intellect down either. I have been doing extensive research on this whole Iodine deficiency thing. And just because I read JAMA on the web, doesn't make the info any less pertinent or official. Also, today I finally met with the Head Doctor at the Women's Wellness Center here at Hoag Hospital in Newport Beach CA. She is brilliant, and well, I cannot say enough great things about her. She has tested some of her patients for Iodine Deficiency, and they were deficient, so she has a few of her patients on iodine supplements and is curing them. Note that I said, "curing" not just treating. The whole Iodine treatment for some thyroid issues, breast cancer, FBD, PCOS, is new. In fact they are just realizing that, maybe we are not as efficient as we all thought. You might want to look up the NHANES studies done here in the US. (by the way that is a government test) Our peoples levels of Iodine absorption dropped in half from the 70's to the 90's. And that is a fact! You might also want to look up Iodine deficieny in Australia, there are quite a few studies going on there, and from what I have read they are surprised by the results, which are similar to what we are finding here in my country.
Anyhow, if you'd like to have any website info, I'd be glad to share. I have never had a problem with you, in fact I quite liked you. I thought you were smart, interesting, and challenging, all qualities I like in people and things that do not intimidate me in the least. I just don't like to be misquoted!
You are totally 100% right supplements are medicine - they still have side effects and interactions, even if they are natural. Most people forget that nearly all prescription medicine has a 'natural' origin; plant or animal. ALSO Most patient's forget to include supplements on the list when asked by a doctor or nurse what medications they are taking, but they need to know. Some schools of thought are now considering the foods we eat in a similar manner. It makes sense, if you over-eat or eat the badly you get fat and sick/illness as a result. Diabetes, stroke, high blood pressure are a few examples.
I love your attitude;
"Proper diet and moderate excercise, keeping myself happy and laughing alot and being nice to people."
If you don't mind, I'll add proper sleep, rest and relaxation to your list.
It's never too late to start these things and most people won't need to check if it's okay with their doctor to start either. And best of all, it's FREE, FREE, FREE!!!
Not enough people try the simple things first and look for answers in a pill or potion. No wonder there is a billion dollar market in supplements. I must be in the wrong business (nah not really! LOL)!
I hope that together we inspire others who read our posts to also try the simple things first.
But all the same, I take B complex supplement for assistance in times of low energy and stress. And zinc when feeling run down or my body needs to repair/rebuild cells such as wound healing or eczema. Last of all I take fish oils because they also help my dry skin and eczema.
Always best to check with a good pharmacist (or your doctor, but pharmacist is cheaper!) about the supplements you wish to take - tell them about your medical condition and other medicines/supplements you take. It's simple advice that's been said many times before but not many people actually bother to do it.
I wish you well on your recovery.
to be quick, first I read the "no offence", but saying that doesn't make someone not have/want to defend themselves. If it did, we could walk around saying whatever we wanted to people, as long as we followed it up with a little, "no offence." ;0)
And let's get this whole Iodine thing over with from my side of things...If and I said "IF", I was 100% absolutely certain that orthoiodosupplementation was the cure for ALL thyroid issues, I would be screaming from rooftops, posting on this forum, running ad's in papers, talking to the media, picketing. marching, etc...I would be spreading teh word with every amount of energy I had!!! and I am not. I am still researching with the doctors on this one.
That website you mention, once you join the "group" you receive emails from all members with all types of "Iodine related" problems. So, from people who say they are "hyper" from too much, to people who have had their goiters, FBD, and PCOS disappear, or painting on cysts, and everything else. So, like poor Berky, there is this guy who says he thinks he just gave himself hyper, even though he has never even been tested for deficiency. I want to ask him, if it wasn't broke, what in teh hell were you trying to fix? But, I feel sorry for him and am not going to go there. Anyhow, because Iodine is new, these people are sharing their experiences and concerns, even with MD supervision. like Ooooh, that seems like an awful lot, has anyone taken half of the amount and had success? or all of the detox symptoms some people have with the higher doses. Apparently for them, the high doses have caused some problems too with elevated halogens now in their blood. I found it, becasue I wanted to know people who have used it before I do!!! And there are not a lot of places to go, because it is so new!!! Heck, if wanted to take Armour becasue it's natural, vs synthetics, I wouldn't even come here. This group is way more pro synthetic. Anyhow, I have learned that we should all have some Iodine in our medicine chests for helping to purify water, disasters do strike. And I did not know that people who live nearby Nuclear reactors (here in teh US) are given Iodine supplementation pills for use, if there is a leak, like Chernobyl. So, it has been fascinating. It covers every topic about Iodine under the sun.
And what I learned from you... was to be extra cautious of what I was reading, and whom it was written by. So, I triple check if someone say "Dr", investigate my own, and read "peer reviewed papers", medical Journal articles, and governement studies first! Any pertinent info I take away is a result of those papers, first and foremost.
And lastly, I am thrilled there are still some medical pioneers out there. Willing to brave all of the nay sayers, and laughs, and to try and figure out the "why" of it all. We have come a long way in Cancer research, and since so many of us are having troubles with our thyroids now, I am really thrilled that there are Doctors who are thinking, wait a minute we need to be looking into this too people!!!! I just don't want thyroidectomies to be what hysterectomies used to be!!!!!!! I really don't want that!!!!!!!!
As far as Iodine goes..."only time will tell."
So, take care you! & as always, good health to you and yours!
Maybe you didn't read the bit where I said no offence was intended?
I appologise that you felt misquoted BUT iodine even when used as a naturopathic treatment, will effect the thyroid gland. Even when painted on for long periods - doesn't a percentage of it absorb throught the skin and enter the bloodstream? Please correct me if I am wrong.
I reserve the right to hold a difference of opinion about these so called 'cures' you talk about. THe word cure should not be used lightly. You are right that links exist between iodine and other health issues such as fibrocystic breast disease and others.
But as far as I know the jury is not in yet. Numerous scientifically based studies on large numbers of people must tell the story. I won't be a guinea pig for any kind of iodine trial (nor would I let anyone I cared about). The risks are too great when you have thyroid disease, (and especially when you have a family history of it as I have) as I have previously explained.
Clearly everyone or almost everyone on this forum has some form of thyroid disease - which is why I oppose the information you gave (not you personally, just some of the information). It is not intended to be personal by any means.
I say that, but I did questioned your expertise in saying that "no one here knows a thing about Iodine" - I guess when I read your post I took it to be an insult to the intelligence of the users of this forum. Two wrongs don't make a right, so I appologise.
You may think that I might only support mainstream conventional medicine - be surprised (or not) but I have used and would encourage anyone to employ the services of nathuropaths/accupuncturists/vitamins & mineral. But always check credentials, there are lots of dodgy operators out there! In the past (and present) all these areas may not have worked well together but I believe each has it's time and place.
Maybe because of my studies or just because I have been burnt by some dodgy 'snake oil salespeople' in the past, I choose to evaluated a lot of things in a scientific manner - how big was the study? Who was the study funded by, was it independent? Do the results of other studies co-incide with these results? Are the results consistently acheived/arrived at? What are the variables? Is the web site advertising these results reputable?
I believe I have discussed the one about websites with you before...That site you are using,
Has a medical and legal disclaimer - have you read it? For me personally this site (while it may contain SOME truth, most do have SOME) does not fit the bill for a reliable trustworthy source of information. Maybe I just couldn't find it but the website didn't even say who the individual or organisation is who regulates it.
You are right Iodine Deficiency is a growing problem in Western Countries. I am also aware of the problem BUT again
I emphasise, once you have a thyroid problem you must tread with great caution when it comes to iodine.
I don't have a problem with you either - I enjoy your posts (even the last one LOL!), your caring ways for others, enthusiasm and intelligence. FYI I have been contributing less to the forum and will continue to do so because of other commitments.
Medicine/Science still has much to learn about the body and it's functions, I just hope for our sakes they come up with a few more answers sooner rather than later.
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