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Men and Hypothyroidism

Is it terribly uncommon for a man to be hypo? I am a male who had a TSH of 16.96. I went and had more blood work done monday and still have not received a call from my doctor. I am just nervous and feel bad. I was just talking with guys at work and they never heard of men having thyroid problems, and then I check on line and it is rare. I was just wondering if anyone here knows of any men who have thyroid problems?
And if my 16.96 TSH is something to be concerned about.
THANKS!
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Hi.  Yes men do have hypothyroidism....my husband does and he blames me as I am hypo too...and my favorite brother-in-law also has hypothyroidism. Your doctor will get you regulated on thyroid medicine.  Keep posting here as there are so many helpful people.
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here i am... a man with hypothyroidism. I have never met a man with the condition but i know there out there... somewhere.
Been on thyroxine for 10 years. Was diagnosed right before i turned 23 but had symptoms way way before that.
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Hi,

I used the nickname of Humphrey because my wife says that I do things so slowly!!
My thyroid level came back at 15.1 recently. I have started on a course of thyroxine (with little effect over the first week). I just wanted to know how you feel after taking this medication for 10 years? And if you remember how long berfore you noticed any results?

From all the symptoms I have read about regarding Hyppothyroidism I appear to have approx 75% of them.

Regards,
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Another guy chiming in.

I think the statistic is one man for every nine women.

Think of the forum as a harem. :)

JUST KIDDING LADIES!!
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Another guy in your boat !!. Have you doctor run Antibody test for thyroid to confirm the reason . Do you have any symtoms (symptoms) ?. Can you share your symptoms also , How old are you ?.
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I am sorry for your Dx. I am a female but also now hypo.Since the beginning of my illness everything I read regarding the disease, when I stumbled across the stats of men getting it,  I read through it.  Dx is rare. specially on sub clinical Hypo or Hyper thyroidism in men. I believe this b/c men are less likely to see a doctor when they have symptoms. and if they do go and get Dx'd -  most do not have the patience and stay on top of it.   Also most men are willing to accept the "clean bill of health" status when doctors say everyting "is in normal range" and say OK I'm fixed, but still feel ill.

Usually the heart palps get them to see a doctor because they believe they are "having the big one".

It could be more common -  if men routinely went to an annual exam like the majority of women do.

Be patient. Getting "fixed" is a long process for most.

I commend you for at least getting your Dx and following up here on the forum for more information. Truely, I admire a man who is willing to "take charge" of his health before it gets into a situation they no longer can deal with.

I also think a man has more pull with the medical society than women. We are looked at as complainers and "hormone" cases. You on the other hand are looked at in a different light.

Regardless, woman or man, find as much information as you can about your condition and stay on top of your visits and tests. Educate yourself regarding your blood tests and where your numbers are. And by far (may I repeat) be patient to get regulated. To start your search you can view over many sites. You may find About.com and click thyroid or go directly to thyroid.org -- it's a start.

You got testosterone in your corner!  That's a good thing!! LOL

Keep posting and if you are comfortable get all your panel numbers on your blood work and post them. Stay in touch. Good Luck!

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I don't think anyone answered for last posted question - "Yes" be concerned on the TSH 16.96 you ARE hypo.
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Stella's right.
I was too busy making jokes to give you any info, but she covered it very well.

The way she described most men's attitude regarding health in general fits me perfectly.

The info and advice she gave is right on.

Interestingly enough, since I have developed thyroid problems, I have had several men in the community tell me they have had thyroid problems for years.

It is more common in women, but plenty of men have thyroid disease, too.

Good luck, and welcome.
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I like the Harem joke! It's a good way for the guys (and some gals) to think of it!
Funny, AR.

Stella is right- you do need to treat it.

Also spread the word that men can, indeed, have thyroid disease.

Wishing you good health....

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a Who fan?
anyway, i am male, hypo for 14 yrs.  they used to say that women outgunned us
so to speak, 50 to 1 in dx's of hashimoto's, but now they say they just may be missing
alot of men they never suspected.  when i was dx'd, i had complained for four years or
so of problems, my doc (woman) never suspected, and the day she ordered the test
told me it would be negative...ha ha, not so fast!  so, i got the dx when they finally
found the test result months later.  they lost it.  brilliant.  no family history of autoimmune
disease either.  we are out here, and it's not fun having it as far as i'm concerned.
all my hormones are all over the map sometimes.
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Sorry guys.

At least this nasty topic can bring our genders together in undersatanding. From our treatments, to our doctors and in our discussions.

Finally a topic both men and women can associated with.

Men R from mars and women from venus??? not with thyroid issues. we are all on earth together. :)
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i'm a 30yr old hashimoto man!! i quite enjoy my diagnosis; i live in a little village in south west england, i'm like a celebrity in my village gp surgery, 'the only man to exisit under 50 with thyroid issues' :) i think men tend to grin and bear it (or moan thier poor wives ears off) and never get around to getting checked out. I'd been having head aches everyday for years, i would catch a cold that would dragg me down for weeks, i got depressed, lost all my hair (would have happened anyway, but i like to think it was due to my thyroid) got a beer gut, just generally felt very poo. i was over the moon when they told me i was actually ill and didn't just have man flu.. my levothyroxine hasn't been with out teething prob's but it is generally massively helping. i have subsequently managed to drag my dad to the dr's (he hasn't seen a dr in years) low a behold = hypo... i strongly suspect my brother is, he totally fits the autoimmune hypo picture, he is going for bloods this week.....
men you are not alone!! we're just to bloody stubborn,
all the best,
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Welll............ a beer gut. uh?? Glad you find humor and I am happy you posted. If more men ..............here it comes fella's: "Step out of the closet with their thyroid issues" and deal with it in it's entirely getting your dad and brother checked out. Maybe the men population would get these doctors to look at the thyroid issues more.

20 years ago, it was "the big one" that killed men. (Even though women died from it more then a male did!  One reason was there WERE more women alive  then men and this is the case still.

Face it guys ........ we need you to help get this Thyroid stuff out there.

Thanks for your post from England. Hope your family does well.
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I am hypo as well and am 36 do any of the men have ed as well and did thyroid treatment help with this.
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Anyone have info (such as statistics) on hyperthyroidism? My mom and sister have hypo...so do my aunts and female cousins...i'm the only guy with hyper in my family.

I have all the symptoms of hypo, minus the weight gain, and still do occassionally. Recently, the symptoms have been getting worse, and I find that the slightest changes in eating/sleepin habits mess with how I feel emotionally and physically the next day.  I was diagnosed about 3 1/2 yrs ago.

-matt
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me another hypo guy....I am Sreekanth from India, i also suffer from Thyroiditis...im  28 yrs old..
doctor prescribed me tablets for 2 months and then to check the TSH again.....

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Hi community, I am known as pcoach4u. 52 year old male just recently diagnosed with hypothyroidism. I think I have had it for years, but recently the symptoms got real bad.  My symptoms have been: tightness in knees, especially behind knee, joint pains, arthritis, loss of muscle mass, neck pain and tension, muscle weakness, edema in feet and ankles, dry skin.  My doctor is starting me on 1/2 dosage strength of Synthroid and building it up in dosage over the next 21 days to finally arrive at .1 MG RX.  Then we will retest from there. My life has been a nightmare with this. The main control I had been using was light doses of Ibuprofien. Much pain, much discomfort and restriction of movement.
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Stella,  This is pcoach4u. Got some good news. After being on Synthroid 100mg for 3 weeks, we have been able to get my TSH down from 190 to 7 .  I know will be a couple more weeks to see what the dose is fully doing, but definitely moving in the right direction. Still do not feel any different, I know cannot have it all right away.
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My symptoms:  Sluggish, headaches, sporadically not motivated, weight gain, difficult to lost weight even after running up to 5 miles three times a week, not happy, anxious, tired but difficult to go to sleep (high level of axiety, i think), etc..  I don't have the energy to get exicted over things anymore.  Basically lots of the symptoms that I have found online for hypothyroidism.  I am 35 in a couple weeks and I just attributed most of the way I feel to just getting older.  My wife was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and is taking Levoxyl 100 MCG.  I am really begining to think that maybe I have the same issue as her.  I recently went in for a physical and the Doctor didn't say anything about my bloodwork, but I dont know if they tested for hypothyroidism.  At the time, I didn't even consider that to be my problem.  Now, I am not so sure.  I know this may be a dumb question, but what effect, if any, would I have if my thyroid is normal and I took a a few doses of my wifes medication to see if there was any positive effects.  When I went to my physical, the doctor threw some medication at me that made me even more blah (Zoloft & a stopped taking that), so i figure what would it hurt to try this other medication.  I know i will get the response tht you shouldn't take meds that havent been prescribed, but I a curious, if you can throw Zoloft at me for the same symptoms, then why not Levoxyl.  Anyone know what the risk might be, if any?
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Unless you ask your doc to do tests for your thyroid function, they usually won't (at least in my experience).  I think that it's especially true because you're male.  It seems that it's a bit more uncommon for men to have thyroid problems, but they definitely can.  My boss has hypothyroidism and takes synthroid for it.  A lot of docs seem to want to tell everyone that they're just depressed, hence the Zoloft.  If I were you, I'd go back and demand thyroid screening (TSH, free T4, free T3, etc.).  However, I wouldn't take your wife's meds, it may throw you into hyperthyroid, if only temporarily.  Believe me, you don't want that (that's what I have). You'll get heart palps, tachycardia, your blood pressure can spike, etc.  
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If you are hypothyroid, taking Levoxyl for a week will not tell you anything, and it will run your wife short on meds.

If you are NOT Hypo, taking the Levoxyl may mess you up.

Get your thyroid hormones checked. My first MD dinked me around for six months (started with antidepressants, too) before checking my thyroid levels. He figured men rarely get it, so why bother testing. He was wrong.
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Another guy here checking in.  In March at my Physical my TSH was 4.5.  I wasn't treated because it was considered normal.  I'm 40 and kept asking myself why don't I feel like I used too, where is the energy I had, why did I feel depressed and there was no reason to.  Then in June the sleep disturbances started, and the 'brain fog', and the fatigue.  After 2 1/2 weeks of insomnia every other night and suffering the other symptoms I went to my DR.  The next day my results came back and my TSH was 16.5, I like my dad and my sister am HYPO and was put on Synthroid.  

Starting dose was 50mcg.  I saw an initial improvement in the first week.  I slept for 6 nights in a row and the brain fog broke after 4 days.  The insomnia returned for a few nights after a week but then another good 6 nights.  The fatigue remained. Now after 5 weeks my dose was moved up to 75mcg as my TSH was still high at 4.6, and I continue to see and improvement.  Energy level is better but still have fatigue at times throught the day, sleeping is better, no brain fog and I am not on the new dose a week yet.

Hang in there...I now I am.  My dad's been on 100mcg for at least 8 years. His TSH is 2.2 at last test and feels good.  At my next test I will insist on getting mine BELOW 3.0 at the very least.  I will campaing for a higher dose if needed.
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Are there any men that were born without a Thyroid ??   I was born with out one , just curious if its common with men??
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I am another hypo male. I am so glad to see there are other men who sharethe same woes as i have. I am 31 and have showing symptoms for at least 4 years. I was worrying and treating symptoms with no success. I changed my diet completely to get my cholesterhol down. I had abnormal liver function and couldn't use medicine for my high chol. I had to stop drinking because I had no idea what was wrong with my liver. I thought I was developing that disease that Muhumed Ali has because I talk and move so slowly. My hair started falling out. I had long locks, but I went ahead and cut all my hair off. I wear a bald head now. I attributed the tiredness and weakness to getting older. I don't have the excitement and passion of emotions anymore. I stay to myself becasue I don't enjoy others company like I used to. I am very irritable and have mood swings. It has just been terrible.

My last bloodwork resualts came back from my chol. test   The Dr just happend to check my tsh and found that it was 76.  I don't know what made her do it, but I'm glad she did. I am just starting meds and scheduled to see a endocrinologist next month. I hope to be feeling much better soon.
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By the way, have many of you had a tonsellectomy? I think that's when my problems started.
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I just think that hypo is underdiagnosed, why should it be uncommon in men than women?  But aside from that, any bi-polars out there should be getting their thyroids checked because LITHIUM, destroys the thyroid!!  Funny how the doctor doesn't mention that....
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Im a 25 Year old male, but im "Hyper", really ***** especially being a father and husband. Have to make sure I can take care of everyone else while making sure I can take care of myself
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Add me to the total column for men.  Been hypo t and on T4 meds. for over 30 years.  Learned a lot from this forum including the need to check free T3, to assure the  body is converting T4 adequately ( which mine was not). Seems like I have read somewhere that over 20 % of the population has thyroid problems, with women being substantially higher, especially over the age of 35.  It was interesting that when the range for TSH was revised downward from .5-5.0 to .3-3.0, someone estimated that change meant that approx 18 million people in the U. S. had been added to the group of people with hypothyroidism.  I am also surprised that more people are not aware of using body temperature to identify potential thyroid problems.  I know it is not a perfect test, but from the experience of myself and numerous others I know, it is a good indicator, and it is something that can be done easily at home, without having to bother going to the doctor, unless the results indicate more evaluation is needed.  FWIW
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hi, just found this group i was dxd with hypo 8 yrs ago. along with diabetes and live disease, with elevated iron levels> i have a sister who just happens to be a doctor and she had me get checked for hemochromatosis . apparently this a disorder which affects the thyroid, liver, and the pancreas and while uncurable it can be treated by essentially giving blood. also women with this disorder arent normally diagnosed until after menopause as thier menstrual cycle normally keeps thier iron levels low . if this is thecause of your hypo then trating it may reduce or eliminate your hypo. but it requires genetic testing and isnt cheap
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So hemochromatosis affects the thyroid and the liver? I may have that. My liver is creating excessive enzymes, and my Drs can't tell me why. When I see the endocrinoligist I'll make sure to ask him about it.
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Add me to the bad thyroid list. Im a 24 year old male. I just got DX 6 months ago and think i have been hypo since i was like 15 or so. Im going to hell and back trying to get on the right meds and getting optimal. The doctors have switched my meds and dosages like 20 times in the past 6 months, no joke. I have like 10 bottles of thyroid meds at different doasges, im like a in home pharmacy.lol.I I just try to saty positve through the madness knowing that soon i will feel better again. Good luck.
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add me to the list i am 17 and have hypo. dr. found i had it 2 months ago. and been on a pill sence then but still have the symptoms. is it common for someone my age to have it?
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You are young. Usually it is found in many later in life - but I think testing for thyroid issues have increased and that is why so many people including men are being diagnosed.

It was thought in the past it was more of a "later in life" disease a few decades ago - but seeing this forum - there are more people my age and younger talking about it.

I hope you have great success getting your condition under control and if you need to pop back for anything - many here - including men can help you understand this disease.

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also ment to ask is it normal to lose weight i have lost about 10-12 pounds and no matter what i eat i can not get it back up. ?? and the thing is i dint lose the weight over time i lost the weight in a matter of 2 weeks.
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I'm not sure, but I lost weight too. I do know that the thyroid affects a lot of other functions in your body. You may need to keep up with your cholesterhol and liver also. I had problems with this, but I was unDXed for a while before I knew what was going on.
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Hi all, I'm 18 and going to have my thyroid checked out tomorrow after the doctors found a problem. I've dropped out of college because I'm suffering from depression and anxiety. I sit at home all day unmotivated, lethargic and feeling pathetic. I'm unable to get a job because I'm scared I'll get panic attacks! I'm putting on a lot of weight also.

Not sure why I'm posting here, but it was nice to see other men suffering from this  Is it really rare in men then? I read somewhere on the internet it was 1 in 1000 of us that have this?

Anyway, I'll post here with developments if anyone is interested.

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Tired lethargic, anxiety, sweaty palms, high energy then worn out.  It's like a cycle  Seems like everyday now I have a panic attack whether at work or not.  Insomnia, headaches, itchy skin mainly my legs, foggy thinking, and lack of concentration.  I have lived with most of these symptoms for about 10 years except the anxiety which has finally told me that I need help.  I found out that I have a family history of hypo and that on my mom's side 4 of her siblings have it, my sister and my brother have it.  Told my doctor, and I'm going for the blood test tomorrow.  I'm a 25 year old male.  If I'm diagnosed that will make 3 males diagnosed and 4 females.  I know what the stats tell us, but in my family it seems to run a lot different, almost 50/50.  I just think as guys we fight through the symptoms until they are unbearable, and because it is believed that mostly women get this they chose not to test males, therefore making the statistics unreliable.  EPY go back to school.  Don't let it run your life.  I know it's hard trust me I worry about losing my job because of the attacks but the schooling is worth it.  I think I just drank so much through school that I could not see the symptoms.    
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after 18 months on amiodarone for arrytmia a thyroid test  showed a TSH of 38. I am now on my second month of Levo and the usual symptoms persist. would be very grateful if you would post what dosis  you take . I am on 150 once a day which is far below what most forum members take. My cardio assures me that it's enough. I'm 80 and feel only half alive . nb. the cardio last week took me off amio for propafenenone becaseu the though 18 months was far too long to take amio.
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Hello everyone  i am a 16 year old male on levothyroixine. i hate it to say the least, but it could be worse. i have been on it for about a year and now and it seems like before i was introduced i have more symptoms of hypo then i did before i started. but if anyone would like to talk that has hypothyroidism i would love to.

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Another male here with hypothyroidism.  You may know that Hashimoto's is the leading cause of hypo.  You may be interested in how I got mine:

Gluten.  I got sick in 1991 and none of the dumb docs could figure out why.  It took 6 years to get a thyroid diagnosis, and 12 years to find out that gluten was the causative factor.  In susceptible people, gluten causes gluten enteropathy.  Gluten fragments then get in the bloodstream and set off various autoimmune conditions.  In my case, the condition was Hashimoto's autoimmune thyroiditis.

I'm still trying to get back to optimal health.  Just found out my body temp is well below normal, signaling the possibility of Wilson's Temperature Syndrome (see wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com).  Am about to wean off T4 and start sustained-release T3 therapy to see if I can get my body temp up to normal, and feel consistently well.

Hopefully that wasn't more than you wanted to hear.  :)
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Good luck with your search for an answer.

Wilson's Syndrome has been debunked as charlatinism, and Dr. Wilson no longer practices medicine.

http://www.thyroid.org/professionals/publications/statements/99_11_16_wilsons.html

Welcome to the forum, and best of luck with whatever course of treatment you take.
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New to the forum (Thank God I found it), Thyroid sufferer for the last 16 years (I am 46). New symptoms developing or old ones that are coming back with a vengeance, either way, it's a battle just thinking positive never mind actually doing something constuctive. I am the only male in my extended family known to suffer from thyroid disease, the females (Mother, Aunt & Cousin) all have it too. Couldn't hold a job and no insurance means I try to treat this on my own or with the help of my D.O that knows little about thyroids. Good luck, knowledge is power, every person is different even when the test results say the same.
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Fellows, I have been taking medication for almost two months now. I feel so much better. I have a lot more energy now; my hair is growing back; I'm not freezing all the time; and I don't feel as detached from the world anymore. I have to go in to get another blood test to see how my levels are today. I am really excited. I hope my cholesterhol is down, too. I know my TSH has to be much lower than the 76 it was when I was DXed. I just wanted to let y'all know that the medicine has done wonders for me. Hopefully the test result will prove the same and it's not just a water pill effect. lol
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FYI-I'm a 60 year old male with Hypothyroidism. I've been on med's for approx. 5 years.
My Mother and sister also have this condition. I believe it's probably inherited.
I have my blood tested 3/4 times a year and med's adjusted as needed.
I too am on 150/day.
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Just read some of the posts here. I'm a 46 y/o male who was diagnosed hypo about 6 yrs ago. A good lady friend advised staying away from synthroid/levithroid and instead, opt for Armour theyroid. After a while, I found it made my testicles 'tender' or sensitive. I eventually fell off the daily routine and instead have concentrated on a good diet, taking a wide range of vitamins, minerals, and supplements.

I've found that humans have a RIGHT to be depressed many times, but taking drugs to alleviate deppression is crazy. It becomes a vicious cycle that ropes innocent victims in. Weight gain, also. Watching what I eat and making myself exercise releases the endorphins that combat depression, and helps considerably to keep the weight down.

In the end, I find that a ramped up consciousness of better eating habits combined with exercise, is the best way to deal with my hypo.
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Also, since changing certain 'less than healthy' habits, I am no longer experiencing hair loss, and I no longer have that 'beer belly'. My slurred speach that I once had, has largely disappeared, as well as feelings of fatigue and the accompanying 'lazy gait' (stumbling/dragging feet/unsteady balance).

I know that some people might say I'm crazy for not taking any kind of meds for my hypo, but I'd rather find optimal good heath thru diet, exercise, and natural supplements, than to be enslaved to doctors and drugs (and the costs thereof).

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I gotta say i understand not wanting to pay all the fees for blood tests, office visits, and medicine...It's a drain on my pockets too. But since I've been on sinthroid, my hair has grown back, my cholesterhol isn't high anymore, I talk and move faster, I think clearer, my ankles don't swell anymore, my liver is healthy, my skin is better, I have more energy.....life is so much better! The purpose of money is to enjoy a higher quality of life. I tried excercise and diet to get my cholesterhol down before I knew anything about my thyroid. It didn't work. My TSH was 76. Sinthroid has been my savior and worth every penny.
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wow can't believe how many men there are with thyroid issues too.

I had my thyroid removed because of being hyperthyroid and all the endos I saw said that I HAD to have my thyroid removed because the meds for hyperthyroidism were dangerous in the long term..and if I wanted to have kids one day I had to remove my thyroid.....bla blah blah..  I wish I never listened to them and I wish I'd discovered this forum before....

anyway, now I have no thyroid so i'm hypo.  My uncle also had thyroidectomy..but he is doing better than me.. he feels good and has no problems with the meds.


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I am another man in this community , I am wondering , anyone of you having issues with low sex drive and libido . Anyone of you have issues with pituitary gland problem and low testosterone level.
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Yeah, my sex drive was hurting too. I'm still trying to fully recover in that area. But, it is a lot better now. I don't have a problems with testosterone level though, I don't think.
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Have you tested your testosterone level ?.I didn't know either as i was in the impression that low sex drive is thyroid which it does but after my level came back normal for like 3 months of more it should not be. I do have some muscles aches /pain /burning eyes some times and fatigue/tiredness. Do you have any one of those symptoms ?. It is good to have it test.
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hey guys, I am 23 year old male and I was born without a thyroid. The docs realised this about 2-3 weeks after i was born.  I have been on thyroxine ever since then, now i take .200 every day.  

I consider myself to be healthy, I was one of the smartest kids in class all through primary school and the beginning of high school (before i got over it haha) I graduated from highschool with average results in the end.  I was also one of the tallest kids in my class throughout primary school, but by year 7, the rest of the class had caught up to me.  Im not 6 foot 2. 81kg's.  I have a great shape, having 20% body fat, apparently that is perfect for a male my age and height.!!  I go to the gym and have no problem bulking up quickly(over 2 months), surprising my male friends who have been trying to bulk up for a year taking expensive supplements and vitamins).  I take no supplements to stimulate my muscle growth except an 'up and go' protien drink after gym which has 20grams of protien in it.

I have noticed in the last year that i am losing more hair than usual, noticably more hairs left on the pillow when i wake up, but this might be the cause of neglecting to eat healthy for about 3-4 years.  Suprisingly I have maintained a healthy weight range my entire life, although i think i was slightly underweight 3 years ago, not my much but.

I was a very fussy eater growing up, the only vegies i would head was potatos, carrots and pumpkin, and only eating beans when mum forced me to eat them. I ate lots of fruit but.

Now I take vitamins every mornign, including fish oil, vitamin b and e.  I have no problems with sleep, usually falling asleep within 5 mins of going to bed, and I have only every experienced 2 or 3 headaches. (very lucky).  Makes me feel great.  so when I wake up i take 4 tablets :).
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I am 36 years old male to recently get diagnosed with hypo. However, I have absolutely no symptoms what so ever. Hypo was diagnosed when I gave my blood sample to check my cholestrol level. My thyroid level is 5.5.

Question: Do you think that I do not have the symptoms yet because it's in its very early stages and pretty soon I'll start seeing the symptoms? Or is there anyone else out there who was diagnosed with hypo but didn't really have the symptoms?

Please let me know what you all think.
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I was diagnosed at 30 while doing a regular physical.  I had no symptoms whatsoever at the time and refused treatment.  A year later the symptoms had manifested enough that I could tell something was wrong and I went to my Dr. and started treatment.  I can't tell you that you will definitely manifest symptoms at some point, but that is what happened with me.
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I probably should have added that I am a female given the topic of this post.
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Add another male to the list, another one who's not sure what's really going on yet. A couple of days ago my doctor read the number and simply said, "your thyroid is pooping out", and I started on medication. From things I've read, I'm guessing it's been a problem for a long time. Sort of like I've had symptoms that have been misdiagnosed for years. One article stating that on a one to one basis 5% of individuals could be considered hypo with TSH numbers as low as 5. I welcome anyone's opinion. There are people on this site that know far more than me.
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My husband was just diagnosed as hypo-.  We were amazed to read the symptomology - he's been suffering with most of the symptoms for years, but no doc ever thought to look at his thyroid function.  He was told to eat healthier... stop drinking...take anti-depressants, and all the other modern-day "cures".  To the guys who complained about ED & reduced (or no) libido: those were the symptoms that finally drove my 57 year-old husband to the doctor.  After ump-teen blood tests (including all the testosterone levels) showed no problems, the doc tried the thyroid test.  BINGO!  He started treatment yesterday.  With any luck he'll be his old self (not the new, bald, pot-bellied, pale, irritable, tired, unmotivated, anti-social, asexual, limp self)  again soon!  I hope all y'all are, too!!
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Hi,
I'm new to the forum and have enjoyed the comments.  They have all been helpful.  I have undergone synthroid therapy now for about a year.  My health has pretty much returned to normal.  My only problem now is that the very week I started synthroid(25 micrograms) I began to lose strength and muscle mass.  Even months into my therapy I began to lose more and more strength even though my other symptoms improved.  Even almost a year after I began synthroid I still cannot regain all of my strength I had before taking synthroid.  Besides that my lab numbers are normal and I feel fine.  Has anyone else had this problem?
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Hi Everyone,

A male 34 yr old from India. Just got diagnosed 10 days back after my maternal aunt (TSH - 140), my mom (TSh 14), my maternal uncle (TSH -10) got diagnosed. Thanks to my maternal aunt, we all got the good sense to get ourselves tested and diagnosed. It is really crazy. With more than 90% of the symptoms there, no doctor ever mentioned it. i must have had for quite some time now. it is only regular exercise that kept me going (without any weight problems also).

Just started with dosage of 50mg-1week, 75mg-1 week and then 100mg-4 weeks before the next round of tests.

I hope this is ok. How much times does it take for the hormonal levels to stabilize? Any ideas?

nice to have this forum to discuss our "Real Laziness". God, I must have gone crazy listening to all those barbs on being slow,lazy,disinterested,lack of energy...and ofcourse last few years - balding!

The last one was presumed to be after my grandfather who was bald as an egg.

Keep posting! Best wishes to everyone.
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i was able to bring my thyroid levels back within the normal range with a six-week acupuncture and chinese herb regimen, dietary changes, a kelp supplement (for iodine) and staying away from tap water (both chlorine & flouride inhibit the uptake of iodine by the pituitary gland which is essential to healthy thyroid function).

there is a Wealth of information out there on how to treat the condition without having to take medication for the rest of your life.

my boyfriend has just been diagnosed with slight hypo as well and we will try the above referenced treatments and see how the results come back in six-to-eight weeks.

best wishes & health,
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Another Hashi man here, Good Luck FTB4
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Anyone still posting in this forum?
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Is there is good list out there somewhere of hypothyroid symptoms that MEN are likely to experience, as opposed to women?  A quick search reveals many similar lists, with symptoms such as "hair loss," "weight gain," and "abnormal menstrual cycles."  The first two of these are things that I would guess the vast majority of men experience later in life, and the third is meaningless.

Now in my mid-40s, I have started to feel sluggish and want to sleep more.  I still run every morning and go to the gym as I always have, though it's difficult to pump as much iron as I used to.  Despite the running, and having recently cut down on the beer, I can't seem to shed the bit of a beer belly that's slowly been developing.  This concerns me.  But is it hypothyroidism or simply the symptoms of growing older?!

I just began looking into this and may take the step of going for a test, but unfortunately my health insurance is pretty bad (high deductible), and I have incentive to minimize my use of health care.  A trip to the doc for this will mean at least a couple of hundred dollars out of pocket.

Anyway, the question is:  Is there a list of symptoms to which you can refer me that focuses on those most useful in diagnosing hypothyroidism in MEN?
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Well, I'm in the middle of testing now but what I can tell you is that you are supposed to sleep less as you age. This is something you cannot ignore so please look into it even if it has nothing to do with the thyroid.

One of the symptoms of hypothyroid that I know of is that your digestion slows down, this means you get more constipated and more time passes between bowel movements (which can lead to all sorts of problems by itself). 3 times a day to 3 times a week is supposedly the norm for bowel movements (even if you're within this range it is still possible you're constipated). You can also measure your body temperature when you wake up. Have a thermometer ready by the bed and don't even stand up when you wake up. Take a reading and if your body temperature is abnormally low then that is a indication of hypothyroid (our temperature drops in our sleep but for people with a hypothyroid this number should be noticeably low).
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As mentioned by helgih88, I've also found basal body temperature below 97.6 to be a good indicator of hypothyroidism.  Temperatures significantly below this level are worth more evaluation with blood testing.  If you do that, insist on tests  for free T3 and free T4, along with TSH, as a start.  Other symptoms that I know affect men specifically are low metabolism and weight gain, difficulty in losing weight, fatigue, extra sleep is necessary, hard to wake up and get going, difficulty in concentrating at times, dry skin, hair loss,  puffy around eyes and face, hoarse voice, frequent upper respiratory infections,  eyes feel gritty and dry, and acid reflux.

This is by no means a complete list, but I'm sure you will find yourself in there somewhere.
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AFTER YEARS OF FEELING LIKE **** I HAVE JUST BEEN DIAGNOSED  WITH A COMPLEATLY NACKERED THYROID GLAN  FIRST WENT IN FOR BREATHING PROBLEMS JUST CARNT GET NO AIR THEN HAIRING PROBLEMS DEPRESION PUT ME ON TABLETS HAD NO AFFECT SO STOPED TAKING ACHES AND PAINS IN JOINTS I PUT DOWN TO GETTING OLD BEFORE TIME  IM 43 PUT ON 2 STONE EYES ITCHING THEY GAVE ME DROPS HAD NO AFFECT FINALLY WENT IN TELLING THE DOC FEELING NACKERED LIFELESS AND WANT TO SLEEP ALL THE TIME LUCKALLY THEY SENT ME FOR BLOD TEST WITH THE THYROID TEST WICH THEY NEED TO SPECIFY SO TELL THEM TO TEST FOR IT AND GOT CALLED BACK TO HERE IT WAS NACKERED IT WAS A RELEAF TO FINALLY HAVE A ANSWER TO LOTS OF THINGS STILL HAVING ALL TESTS BUT PUT ME ON 100 NICROGRAMS LEVOTHYROXINE STILL TO GET THE DOSE RIGHT BUT  A START PLEASE GO GET CHECKED AND MAKE THEM CHECK FOR IT ITS YOUR BODY WISH I HAD DONE YEARS A GO.
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I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about 8 months ago. My TSH was 146. I believe I have the record at my doctors office for the highest number he has ever seen. One of my major symptoms has been muscle weakness and joint pain (along with brain fog and overall fatigue). My most recent TSH level was 14 so my doctor increased my dosage of Synthroid to 150mcg. I still suffer with muscle weakness. Does this go away when your TSH level reaches a normal level??
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Is your doctor treating you based primarily on TSH level?  If so, you might be interested in a post I just made to another member.



When a doctor treats a patient strictly by TSH level,  it frequently leaves the patient still suffering from hypo symptoms.  This is because TSH is a pituitary hormone that is affected by many variables, so that it has only a fair correlation with T4 and T3 levels in the blood, and  a very poor correlation with thyroid symptoms.  Much of the biological activity in the body is dependent on free T3 and free T4 (free meaning not bound up by protein).  Free T3 is the most important because it is four times as potent as free T4, and correlates best with hypo symptoms.

If I were in your shoes, I would try to get the doctor to treat you by testing and adjusting free T3 and free T4 levels as required to alleviate symptoms and get you into what I call the "sweet spot", by which I mean neither hypo nor hyper symptoms.  Sometimes, this will mean that the TSH is suppressed to the very low end of the reference range or even below, even though  free T3 and free T4 are still well within their ranges.  A TSH suppressed below the reference range doesn't automatically mean you are hyperthyroid. In my opinion, a patient's hyper or hypo status should only be defined by symptoms, not TSH level.  
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I have Hypo as well, along with many others listed in this forum. I went into the Dr. complaining of being somewhat tired and getting extremely bad headaches. The headaches at that time I attributed to being dehydrated. I probably would not have went in except for my wife saying I need to get checked out. When I was diagnosed, I didn't believe it and skipped taking the pills most of the time. That just made it more difficult for the Dr. to see how I was progressing on Levo. That was about 4 years ago. After taking the Levo regularly, my TSH lowered which I'm told also affects my triglycerides because that number went down as well. (I'm still tired, but I have a 3yr old daughter who keeps me going all of the time!) Recenty, my med level was upped from 100 to 112. Also, I was recently diagnosed with a nodule on my thyroid, although it is not significant, I still need to get an ultrasound yearly to make sure it is not growing.
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Speaking of being put on Zoloft...when I went in Sept of '08 for some of the symptoms I was expeiriencing (hair loss and I'm a woman, she said it was "stress"), they did the same thing to me. The GP gave me some Zoloft and called it a day. That stuff SUCKED. I hacked it out for about a month and quit completely but things gradually got worse & then the exteme debilitating fatigue set in...along with new symptoms like muscle weakness and joint pain.

I finally went in—after researching my symptoms, putting two and two together, and talking to my grandmother (she had hashis and cancerous nodules resulting in a TT)—again for blood work. I demanded a thyroid test because I was done, I was miserable. The results came back & here I am. I just started on Levo this week & following up with an endo in July.

I recommend getting your thyroid tested ASAP. I've never gotten a doctor to do a full thyroid pannel...the most they've tested was FT4 and TSH. I'm curious to know what my T3's are up to...
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I am a 43 year old male that was recently diagnosed with Hypo.  Like many professional males, I thought all of my mode swings, fatigue, anxiety were a result of having a stressful job.   I changed careers about 5 years ago and stepped away from exec management as my family means more to me than the money I was making.  Even though I had far less stress and nearly no supervisory responsibilities, I still had the same symptoms as before.  I found a family medical doctor (Most intellectually honest men will tell you, most of us don't have a regular doctor until it is something catastrophic). I described my symptoms and without running a blood test she determined that I was a classic case of manic depression disorder.  Like most guys, I just kind of went with it even though there is no family Hx.  After a little research I  seemed to not have the entire package of what those that suffer with this disease typically do.  So I took the Lithium for about 3 months and began to feel more anxiety and a deeper sense of depression.

I then reached out to my family and stated to them that something seemed very wrong and I am concerned that I am losing my mind.  I'll also admit that during these down times I self medicated with 6-10 drinks per day; sometimes more just too dull the anxiety and depression .  My wife stated that this was so out of character for me since most of the time I am more of a moderate social drinker with an occasional bender on the odd week-end with friends but certainly not every day.   She was very concerned as well and thought I was becoming an alcoholic so she reached out to a very good friend of ours who is an internist.  He ran a battery of test, and like most doctors, did not think that me being a male and in mostly good health (except my weight, slightly high BP and Cholesterol) he finally tested my thyroid levels.    I ended up with having nearly zero thyroid hormones on the initial test.  He immediately scheduled the T3, T4 and a CT scan.  To make a long storey short, I was diagnosed with severe Hypo and began treatment 3 weeks ago.  I’m not sure if I am feeling 100%  better at this point but certainly there is marked improvement.  I do not have the anxiety I had and my days are no longer centered around my next drink.   I had no idea that my storey is very similar to those men on this board.  Thanks for letting me chime in!
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dude with hypo 4 16 years now,found out at the age of 13 when my doc noticed the front of my neck was swollen;a.e,a gouter.got sent to a specialist and the rest is history. im 6.3 and 190Lb if not for the meds i would prob. be like 5.7 300Lb. best advise i can give is find a GOOD DOCTOR and TAKE YOUR MEDS EVERY DAY!!!!
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I am a 15 year old male and i think i have hypothyroidism because i have very dry skin, dry hair,constipation all the time, my cheeks are very puffy face,tinnitus,headaches everyday,i am lightheaded when i stand up and everything turns blurry and i fall over sometimes, i have difficulty losing weight even though i eat twice a day and run a mile a day, i have fatigue i have to push myself to do EVERYTHING my face is always red and hurts when i am in the sun i am getting tested tomorrow for hypothyroidism i really hope they come back positive so all this **** can go away -.-
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Hi 35 year old male South africa
Hypo and being treated with eltroxin hoping the meds will help have many of the problems related to this condition .
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Hi - are you new to the meds? it takes some time to regulate, whether male or female.
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I am a 36 man and was recently been diagnosed with hypothyroidism.  I originally went to the doctor with muscle, joint and general fatigue symptoms.  In addition to Lyme and a few others my doctor ran a TSH test.  My TSH came back at 4.58 and combined with my fatigue symptoms they decided I have hypothyroidism.  The doctor prescribed 25 MCG tabs of levothyroxine (generic) for 60 days and then they’d retest me.  Never being sick in my life I am having trouble dealing with the diagnosis.  

Is 4.58 alone enough to prescribe life long treatment?  I had a test ~10 years ago for a physical and it was 3.7.

Is 4.58 and generic symptoms (muscle/joint pain and fatigue) enough to make a definitive diagnosis, I am otherwise fit and active, with no symptoms?

What is short/long term effect of doing this 6 week trial?

Is the 25 mcg a proper prescription level, I have read under-treating can make me feel worse?

Do I need to see an endocrinologist or will they not bother with me since my TSH is only 4.58?

Do I need to be concerned with generic versus brand name levothyroxine?
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Hi all, I'm a 40 yr old man who always worked out until 6 yrs ago, 2 yrs ago I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, endo prescribed Synthroid but I'm searching for a natural cure. Talked to my endo about it but for obvious reasons he said there's no such thing and to get back on Synthroid. I searched the web and found the leading cause of Hypo is Hashimoto's, now, there are natural teas and food to help with that. Just wondering how do I know what's causing my Hypo? Is it somewhere in the test results or what?
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Well you need the thyroid antibody test to see if you have Hoshimotos. Most docs do this after they find TSH out of range. While your at it, ask for free T3 and FreeT4 if you never got it. You cant regulate with TSH alone.

A note on Hoshimotos antibodies: natural supplements and herbs will not stop the antibodies, they only support the thyroid, wont reverse antibodies if you have them.
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One more guy to the list. I was Dx'ed ten years ago at age 32 with Hoshimotos after years of symptoms. Now that I no more about this disorder, I think I had it since my early teen years. I was always athletic and in good shape but always more sore than I should have been, not to mention the brain fog in school!. Then more health issues started surfacing for no reason. So I ate better and worked out more, but was not getting better. After many blood tests, Hoshimotos was D'xed.

Given T4 meds for ten years did almost nothing to relive the symptoms and was told it was something else but they did no know what. Well the last four years was living he//, with near crippling muscle spasms that left me limping, nightime acid reflux despite a decent diet, carple tunnel in hands, planter facitis in both feet, brain fog, insomnia and daytime lethargy. I decided to learn more about the thyroid late 2008, a lot from this forum, and changed doctors. Adding T3 in April in addition to suplements has changed my life for the better.

My old doctor is against T3 in any form, that why he's no longer my doctor. I cant believe that's what I needed all these years. So, I am really concerned about the future availability of dessicated meds in the USA!!

I feel ten years younger since April! 90% of my symptoms are relieved now from dessicated meds. Still have a little hand pain when typing long (maybe permanent?), and still a little more tired than normal. I can work out again with improving results, my body pain most good days is almost gone.
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At 59, six months prior to retirement, I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism.  I have all the sides, dry skin, tiredness, hair problems, slightly high cholesterol and slow memory.  It took the MD months to get the synthroid corrected and it has had to be increased about every 3-6 months since.  I am now having problems from flues and sinus problems almost all winter.  Any ideas?  Additionally, I work out hard 3x week aerobically and an-erobicaly.  I keep my heart rate in the high 120’s to low 140’s for the hour+.  I was a runner years ago and it “kills” me not to get it higher.  Anybody have ideas on exercise, sinus and flu problems?  I can’t loose weight and that’s also a problem.

Thanks and it’s great to find this site.
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Please post whatever thyroid test results you have, along with the reference ranges used by the lab.
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What gimel said.

And how long have you been on synthroid T4?

I never related cold and flue to hypothyroid, but it could be?  If I stay away from sick people, I rarely get sick. One time this meant telling others to stop using my computer and phone at work (my cube was conveniently located to a busy work area). I was soon  better, they were still sick all the time.

I never really had a weight problem from hypo (lucky?).  I actually lost weight, but it was lost muscle mass from NOT working out. I had to stop most exercise for a few years from muscles not recovering due to hypothyroid symptoms on T4 while labs still looked good. I had major body pain, not just soreness. I think my case of severe structural body pain was rare, even for hypos. Mysteriously, T3 has helped tremendously, muscles recover now, less tightness, gaining strength too. But not 100% yet.

My heart was always very strong,  maybe lucky too, plus I'm only 42. Over working your body can make you go backwards as well. If muscles cant recover, you cant gain or, as we age, even maintain strength, therefore you wont burn calories efficiently either. What ever you do athletically, once your past your prime you really should only max out whatever it is you do once a week. Are you overworking your body? Do you recover from running, or always sore?

Bottom line: If your labs look good and you've been on the same med or dose with no improvements, its time for some type of change. I listened to my stubborn old doctor too long (10 yrs), what a waist of time that was. I found that docs who treat symptoms not #'s are out there, you have to 'interview' them to find one!
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Thanks guys, I have an appointment Monday and will get the new results back then.  I have always exercised hard, run hard and played hard.  Perhaps the elliptical, bicycle, etc was too hard followed by weights but I like the sweat and knowing I have my heart rate high.  Before I was diagnosed I had gained weight, lost energy, slept poorly, lost appetite and generally felt like hell.  Md got the thyroid quick but later found out I had an iron deficiency also.  A double problem and couldn’t walk around the block.  Got the iron back and began the synthroid.  I had muscle mass loose and wouldn’t sweat at all.  My heart rate wouldn’t go above 112, I was a mess.  Now I have periods of energy loss resulting in my synthroid being increased.  The Md brings the level into the highest normal range and I have been reading that he should treat the other symptoms also by increasing the synthroid.  Even when I seem to be pretty good my skin is dry, my hair is brittle, my sleep is poor at times and I recover slowly from the exercise.  As stated in the first message I also keep getting colds and have had a sinus run for months now.  I have had to use antibiotics twice to stop or slow the problem.  While I do exercise hard and eat less than normal, I can’t lose weight.  

I’m looking for ideas and help; perhaps it’s just what it is.  Thanks for listening and I will get the results Monday afternoon.

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Since you have an appointment Monday, I'm glad for the opportunity to suggest a couple of things for you to consider.  Most doctors believe in the "Immaculate TSH"  test, so they always do that one.  Unfortunately TSH is a pituitary hormone that is affected by many variables and does not correlate well at all with hypo symptoms.  It is totally inadequate as a diagnostic for thyroid problems and should not be used to determine medication and dosage.  At best TSH is an indicator to be considered along with more important indicators, which are symptoms, along with levels of the actual, biologically active thyroid hormones, which are free T3 and free T4.  FT3 is the most important because it is four times as active as FT4, plus studies have shown that FT3 correlates best with hypo symptoms.

In my opinion the very best way for a doctor to treat a thyroid patient is to test and adjust FT3 and FT4 levels with whatever medication is required to alleviate symptoms, without being constrained by resultant TSH levels.  Symptoms relief should be all important.  Frequently this requires that FT3 is adjusted into the upper part of its ref. range and FT4 is adjusted to at least the midpoint of its range.  The most difficult part of all this is finding a good thyroid doctor who understands all this and will treat your symptoms in this manner.

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"my sleep is poor at times and I recover slowly from the exercise."

The whole sleep issue with many hypos can cause more issues than many realize, more than just droopy eyelids. Many hypos lay awake or are very light sleepers. Obviously, the number of hours slept is not as important as the deep quality of sleep. Seven hours sleep with no REM is almost worthless compared to only five but with REM. And if you snore, there is the APNEA possibility- whole other story. Your muscles recover better, as does your whole body with deep sleep.

The body gets used to patterns, good or bad.. And some still have sleep issues when their hypo is corrected, sometimes from the med or from the light sleep pattern your brain has become accustomed too. As a test, some can feel a lot better retraining the sleep pattern in the brain by taking sleep aids for a predetermined amount of time every night - not forever. You can learn what your benefits were from the weeks of deep sleep. Then 'wean' off them, a little each week, and 'bingo', hoprfully you still sleep. If your tsh is not in your 'ideal', obviously the light sleep pattern probably will return, but you might have learned something about the sleep you've been missing - thats the whole point.

Some things can get 'better' with deep sleep after only a few weeks, its surprising. Cardio and Lipid panel results can improve in just a few months of good sleep. Metabolically your whole body works better with good sleep, so this should also promote weight loss.

The low heart rate with exercising - If your heart absolutely wont go up when it needs to, yea, that doesnt sound to safe. I have not seen or heard of that. Does it make you light headed when you hit that 'wall'?  Is it abnormally lower when resting compared to 'the good ol' days" like some hypos get?

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Thanks for all the help.  My heart rate level improved to the high 130’s after the iron was brought to normal with sweating returning etc.  While 130’s and low 140’s are different than what I could do a few years ago with high intensity, it’s still better than 115.  I am very tired after the 1hr and 20 min of mixed cardio, super sets on weights with little time between.  I have seen improvement in some muscle mass and strength though.  After leaving the Y I usually need to rest for some time and while I could do exercise every day that 2nd day in a row is so slow or low that I prefer to do it every other day.  With dry skin and dry hair the extra day seem to help the “total” me.  No lose in weight is unique and I wake up each morning with saggy eyes and a swollen face.  Scary.  I have always had sinus problems but the fact that they don’t go away is something different.

I will talk with my Md on the T3 and T4 but it was to late because of the date of the blood draw.

Thanks and I will get back to you both on Monday.  Have a good weekend.

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Had to retake blood test for thyroid, Md made mistake, everything else looked very good.  I asked about T3 and 4 so he took another sample, will report back when results are in.

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Was the test to be for free T3 and free T4, or total T3 and total T4?  The totals are basically obsolete and don't really tell you what you need to know.  If you're not sure it is FT3 and FT4, then I would call before it is too late to change and and make sure they test for those.
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Just received a call from my Dr.   My TSH level was 4.99, a little high according to him.  T3 was 4.5 and T4 1.2.  He will be increasing my synthroid by 0.125 to .0137.  It was to late for the call but will ask if "free" 3&4.  Your thoughts are welcomed.

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Really need to know the reference ranges used by your lab for those tests.  The results look like they are probably FT3 and FT4.  If so, and if the lab's ranges are similar to those I am used to seeing (3.5-7.7 pmol/L for FT3 and .60-1.50 ng/dl for FT4), then your FT3 is low enough to account for your hypo symptoms and you might need to add to your meds a T3 type med as well.  Need to confirm with your lab's ref. renges.
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They will be mailing me the numbers and I will post them at that time.  Merry Christmas.
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Received the results from lab two weeks ago.

FT4    4.5           Range 1.8 - 5.4
FT3    1.2           Range 0.8 – 1.8
TSH   4.990       Range 0.4 – 5.3

T3      117          Range 80 – 200 ng/dl
T4      8.7           Range 4.6 – 12.0 ug/dl


I now have another cold, haven't had three days free since October.

Your thougts.
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Looks like you reversed the FT3 and FT4 labels, right?    Assuming that is true, I think if it were me, with your symptoms and those results, I would request an increase in meds to tweak the levels higher in the range and monitor the effect on your symptoms.  In addition, the next time you are able to be tested, I would suggest that you ask for reverse T3 (RT3), Vitamin D and Vitamin B12 as well.

Regarding your issue with colds, etc., I know that when I have been hypo I always had a much higher incidence of sinus infections and colds.
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The FT4 and 3 were reversed, the sheet was hard to read.  I am upping my meds.

Thanks for the help,
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. i just wanted to know how long it took to get the dose right and regulate your thyroid.
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This thread is pretty old and long; you might want to post a new question, including your diagnosis, any recent lab results (with reference ranges, since these are lab specific), along with symptoms, type/dosage of med you are on and for how long.

To briefly answer your question, it can take quite a while to get the dose right, depending on your diagnosis and treatment. It would be a lot easier to answer your question, with a bit more info.  Look forward to being able to help you.

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Any men that have a normal TSH and low T4 that are being treated?
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I am really surprised that more people are not using or are not talking about using natural thyroid.  Wether it be compounded from a pharmacy, Armour or ERFA.  The synthetics are T4 only meds.  the naturals have both t3 and t4.  while many can use synthetics (my mother for one) there is a whole host of problems associated with them.  Using a natural form is SO much less expensive.  when i called my insurance to see if Armour was covered if I should go to that (I use a compoounding pham mailorder in WI) even the lady on the phone was shocked at how inexpensive it was.  
Also, whether you are a man or a woman there are certain website that are supportive and informative and current.
Stop The Thyoid Madness is one.  (my FAV(  Written by a thyroid patient activist and also Mary Shoman-who is also a well known patient activist.  You can find her on the web at ask.com and also both are on facebook.
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Hi.  New here.

i got a book to help diagnose my wife as she is hypo and I was sure the Dr. were not prescribing proper or enough dosage.  So I read the book.  And low and behold I have like 10 symptoms of being hypo.  I've had most of them for my entire life that I can remember.  I'm going to turn 44 next week.

The main thing the book described was low basal body temp.  I've taken mine for 3 days and it is at 97.0 F and the book states that it should be around 98.0.  My wifes is still low too indicating low thyroid.

As i read the book more and more symptoms came to light.

I have a Dr. Appointment tomorrow to discuss this with my Dr and set a time to get a blood test.

I've always had cold hands/feet and suffered with that during deer hunting and fishing etc.  My ears are always ringing even without exposure to loud noises and I've always had this.  My cholesterol went up and despite excersize and a Statin drug my cholesterol almost had no change and I'm gaining weight.  My mom has Hypo so there is a family history etc.  I also have had hard time getting to sleep since I was young.

I never had too much laziness per say.  But I sure would like to have more energy and I'd sure like to not have to sit with cold feet and my ears to stop ringing!
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Welcome to the Forum.  Here is a good article that I think will be beneficial to your understanding of thyroid issues.  

http://www.hormonerestoration.com/Thyroid.html
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I was just diagnosed today with hypothyroid. I am a bit nervous about it and confused. I live a very healthy lifestyle and exercise daily with weight training and cardio. I eat 5 small meals per day and eat pretty clean. Also found out that I have high cholesterol of 249....I almost fell on the floor because I watch everything I put in my mouth. Does anyone know of any holistic approaches that work for this disease?
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"I was just diagnosed today with hypothyroid. Does anyone know of any holistic approaches that work for this disease?"

No. Many rip off E-books on this, many are scams. Holistic to some extent can support hypothyroid but not cure Hashimotos hypothyroid.

For starters, this is a great place to learn. And you need to know as much as possible. You were Dx'ed with hypothyroid or Hashimotos hypothyroid (the antibody disease version)? You need antibody testing to know. Important to know. Many docs do not explain the difference because the med is the same for both.

Many ask about holistic approaches. Fact is if you have Hashimoto, your thyroid gland is being destructed from antibodies and you gland is 'breaking'. So it wont produce the needed level of thyroid hormones. Nothing can replace hormone but replacement hormone. No tree bark, snake tongue or sea weed can take place of hormones.

There are however supplements and vitamins that many hypothyroid patients take to help them in addition to thyroid med (daily hormone replacement). Most common - B vitamins, D, C for adrenal gland, calcium, magnesium, selenium for t4 to t3 conversion.
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oops. the above comment  was for you.

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The doctor recently found I have a TSH of 7. I'm 21 years old, and I've been athletic my whole life, but I've had depression and anxiety problems for as long as I can remember. I hit puberty early, had a full beard by 7th grade, and started losing hair by the end of high school--a problem that I've always attributed to my feeling of being older than my age. My body temperature has regularly been 96.9, but I never really thought anything of that. Now that I think about it, the fatigue, cloudiness, libido-drop, and joint-aches have become pretty noticeable in the past few years. I've been on Zoloft for close to 5 years and it's helped a little, but, if these are all truly thyroid problems, that kind of excites me because it'll be way easier to fix with this prescription to Levothyroxine.

I'm so glad to hear that other young men are hypo too. Reading your posts has made me feel so much better about this. All I saw when I looked online was that older men were hypo, and being 21, I didn't know how to feel about my condition.I was scared at first, but, with all the success stories I'm hearing from you guys, I'm looking forward to how much better my life will be once I've regulated this thing that I've probably had since my early teens.

I started taking daily doses of 0.025mg of Levothyroxine three days ago. We'll see what happens.
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Yes. Men can have thyroid disorders too. I had my thyroid removed due to a lump that grew and was diagnosed as papillary cancer. My TSH is 3.01.
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Of much greater importance than your TSH, do you have any hypo symptoms, and what is the level of your biologically active thyroid hormones, which are FT3 and FT4?
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not that rare.  i had it a friend of mine has it my brother in law, his father,  its not as rare as they make it out to be,
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one more guy joing u.i recently did my blood tests,bcz i was feeling fatigue,backache and tiredness of my both legs.i am 38 male..with no issue.bcz my wife also has hypothyroidsm and has unexplained infertility.my reports ; TSH.7.56,FREE T3 ..2.59,FREE T4..0.940.PROLACTIN 56.70,TESTOSTERONE..2.58.I STARTED ELTROXIN..50.MY SEXUAL DRIVE ALSO DECREASED FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS MARKBLY.PLZ TELL ME WILL MY PROLACTIN WILL COME DOWN,AND MY TESTOSTERONE WILL INCREASE.I AM REALLY UPSET..plz reply me. johny71
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It's always better to post your own question rather than tagging on the end of someone else's. It makes following your question and answers specifically to you much easier.

Please repost and we can help you then.
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Just known my illness last week. i still play 3 hours a day of basketball and im 40 years old, but recently , everytime i started running with little warm up my body will consumed all the energy  i have. lack or breath and most of my friends saying ,that i should   quit smoking  cig.last 2 weeks i lost my feeling numbness in my left arm and right arm after next day.. I do have sex 5 days a week  except saturday and sunday coz im so tired on that day and those day are my basketball day... its a bit alarming and worried. my doctor rang me and told me last week that he have to see me immidiately.and i am not fit to take my exam today , But managed to passed it which is i proved that he is wrong... anyway im on medicine .....hope this go away....
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hi, i just wanted to add my story. i have been hypo for probably 35 yrs at least. i first was diagnosed with growth deficiency at 18. i took shots to help in growth, but it was too late. back then the medications were used to treat stunted growth only in europe. later, i was diagnosed with hypothyroidism.  i have been taking my medication ( sometimes not faithfully) all these years. at the moment, i have gained at least 25 lbs because i havent taken it like i should.. i was off the meds for about a year, and when i went back to the doctor to re-establish my med intake, the doctor was horrified that my tests showed me to have 120.0 negative results. not sure what that means, but it was bad. he said i should be dead by now. that scared me. i decided to stay on my meds no matter what. most of the symptoms you read about concerning hypothyroidism, i have. but once i got my thryoid levels under control, i did indeed loose weight, along with feeling much better, not aggitated anymore, my body temp went from 97.2 to 97.9, which is good, and my memory is much better. i have gained back some weight ( as i said earlier, about 25 lbs) due to my stupidity of not taking my meds like i should. if you have to take meds, please take them as they are prescribed.  oh, and i found that minimal excercise does help.i dont know if this will help anyone or not, but i just wanted to let you know this problem has been around for years.
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I am 28 and recently diagnosed with Hypothyroid. My TSH levels are alarming at 347. Can medicines control such high levels? Will I be able to live normal life If I regularly take the medicines.
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Please repost you question as a separate question - not at the end of some other post like this. That way you will get answers. The original post is dated 2007!

Yes there is hope for you to live fairly normal.
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Hi there, I was just diagnosed with hypo: tsh=19.81, ft4=1.1, t3 total 94. Also my vitamin d level was considered low. I also have diabetes, and was wondering if there are any more tests I should have? Is there any correlation between the vit. D level, diabetes, and the hypo?  Thanks
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Hey... Can any of yall help me figure out or not whether I'm hypo? I've been experiencing some of the symptoms, but please tell me if you think these are significant.

Slow metabolism- I'm a 15 y-o guy, but I eat about 2000 calories per day (which is about 300 less than what I should for my height and weight). I CANNOT go over 2000 calories per day otherwise I gain weight VERY quickly

Sensitivity to cold- This one has gotten a little better recently, but it was my first symptom. I often feel cold from the inside of my body, despite the temperature outside and I've been wearing a thick hoodie almost all the time. I live in North Carolina, so its not like I live in a very cold area.

Fatigue- Recently, I've had low energy, no matter how much sleep I get

Sluggishness- Low energy, low motivation.

Muscle cramps- Usually after exercise, but sometimes they will completely seize up my leg.

Lower, huskier voice (possibly due to voice changing even further)

Low sex drive (Which is VERY uncommon for my age)

General apathy, lack of personality or strong emotion

So do you think I could be hypo? None of these symptoms are VERY extreme, but definitely noticeable. Does anyone have any other ideas?
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Well you guys like this old thread. I'm not going to mention to repost as your own thread. I'll just hint.

No its not uncommon. It is uncommon for many men to try to understand it though. I know some hypo men that suffer (in the real world) and they refuse to accept any hint of advice from another guy (me). Congrats to you for goggling here. Live and learn. Its my guess about 80% feel OK just being treated by TSH and a T4 med, the rest, man or woman, need to educate themselves on proper treatment to get well, as most of the medical community is clueless to help thoses that remain.

So what you need tested is called Free T3 and Free T4 along with TSH.

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Hello, I am a 62 year old male whoi had RAI 4 years ago. I have not felt real good since them I try to stay avtive but find that i get so tired so quickly it is almost not worth the effort. I am always a little moody and wowuld prefer to do nothing, sit around watch TV or sleep and that is not lik me a t all. I woul dhave preferred to say HYPER instead of the way I am now. Alt least then I got things done, had no problems with ED as I do now and felt pretty good most of the time. I have developed eye problems, (double vision) and doctors are teling me I need to have surgery on on eye. I have become a major pain in the butt for my wife as I am just exsisting and not the fun loving active guy I was before RAI and I see no way to make her happy again. We exsist in the same house but it does not seem to be much of a marriage anymore. We do nnot do many things together, don't talk and haven't had sex in who knows how long and I relate it all back to the RAI. Any other men having these types of problems/ The loss of sex drive, weight gain, constant constipation, itchy skin, rather be alone then with others? Let me know I would like to know how you have hanled it. Thanks
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I am hearing of several people who have been taking organic coconut oil (62MCT's) with great results, some even able to stop their hypothyroid med.  How common is this out there?
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There is hypothyroid and Hashimoto hypothyroid. In Hashi the thyroid is physically damaged slowly throughout  the years from the antibodies destructing it. A desctructed gland cannot provide the level of hormones the body needs.

Coconut oil would have to have the healing ability to fix the damaged thyroid gland. This would be a miracle if it worked like that. Or a good cheap, dishonest marketing plan to steal from Hashimoto patients.

It would be very interesting to see these peoples antibody test levels and thyroid T3 and T4 before and after Coconut oil intake.
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There are some more natural things which have helped my husband.

A little background: I recognized his hypo symptoms more than a year before I could get a doctor to test him in mid 50's. I talked to the new assistant MD when my husband slept for 18 hours straight before I could wake him up. That MD believed me & did a Basal Metab. test the next morning. His score was -45 (+7 to -7 being normal)...that was before the blood tests were available. The doctor was amazed...said most people are in a coma at -35 and put him Cytomel (T3 med). He was eased up to the maximum dose he could tolerate which only brought his Basal Metab. up to -17 and stayed on it for about 20 years until he could not tolerate it any longer at a dose that helped. Then he was put on Synthroid which never did help very much, even at a very high dose. He just was not converting the T4 to T3 which is the active form the body uses.

By this time, I had a health food business and was able to get the OTC Natural Sources brand of  "Raw Thyroid Glandular Concentrate with Synergistic Complex". He took a month to gradually switch over and it has worked to bring his labs up into the normal range and kept him from falling asleep trying to read or watch TV even after 9 hours good sleep at night.. He only took one capsule a day until two years ago when his cardiologist took him off ALL supplements before open heart surgery and wanted him to stay off of them & just take the scripts for his heart. He almost did not make it through the recovery, until with his GP's approval got off all the scripts one by one and back on his supplements. At this point he does not tolerate pharmaceuticals and his GP understands, thank goodness. Hash and other autoimmune diseases can do that.

After having surgery & being without the Raw Thyroid (desicated from New Zealand cattle), he had to up his dose to 3 capsules a day (50mg thyroid each) which is equivalent to 2.5 grains of Armour. His labs are now back in the normal range & 8 hours of sleep is usually enough although at 78, he is not the man he was at 21.

After taking meds for so many years, his thyroid gland is probably history by now. I hope mine will recover. I was only DX.d a year ago with my first checkup in 5 years when my labs showed a high TSH & my LD cholestrol was especially high. For 3 months I tried the Thyroid helper which helped my sisters get off thyroid meds. My TSH went up & started having worse symptoms, so I started taking the Raw Thyroid. My symptoms were mostly different than my husband's...more pains, brain fog, Reynold's, etc. and having trouble sleeping. I worked slowly up to 6 capsules (2 x 3 per day) to make my symptoms go again. If I felt good enough to forget a dose, within 4 to 6 hours, whamo my symptoms came back suddenly & severely. So I added Ashwagandha, an herb from India which is an adaptogen & very safe, although not all brands are equal. Gradually I started converting the T4 to T3 so I have been able to reduce my Raw Thyroid to 3 caps per day at this point. I am hoping to get all the way off. My thyroid has shrunk and I can't feel any nodules any more, One nodule was gone and they other was tiny when I finally got an appointment with an endo who felt it and told me it was a nodule...not a lymph gland as I had previously thought. Mine might have been a Lupus flare, involving adrenals as well, so I am delighted to be so much better. I hope my labs are normal now...will find out by Monday, I hope.

These MedHelp Forums have been very helpful, as is the Internet. You do have to separate hype from valid information. And, we are all individuals...what works for one may not help another.

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Hi I am wondering If anyone has had trouble getting used to Levothyroxine?
I am a 35yr old male and on day 4 of treatment and feeling WORSE. My depression feels 10fold and my axiety and panic attacks are through the roof. IF anything I feel that I am showing MORE signs of being hypio...when you would think that the opposite would happen.

I also prior to being diagnoseed didn't exhibit the "typical" hypo signs... i tend to have a faster than normal pulse, sweating, thinner skin...etc WOW this is confusing especially seing how I am a man with a disease that affects women 9 to 1!!?
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Is a TSH level of 11 a gurantee of hypothyroidism
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I am wondering how many people have or had panic disorder prior to being diagnosed hypothyroid?
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I wonder if I'm the youngest out of anybody here. I'm a 20 year old male who was originally diagnosed with a TSH of 14. I was started immediately on 150 mcg.
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Recently, I purchased a book on the subject of Amino Acid Therapy and discovered in reading that the thyroid is susceptible to amino acid deficiencies. Consequently, supplementing with the combination of amino acid L-tyrosine coupled with Iodine supplementation kick-starts the thyroid! And by the way, I have a doctor's appointment to draw blood so as to finally match the aforementioned symptoms to a real Dx; I am a 34 year old man who is VERY interested in optimal health and wellness and on my way, NOW that I know what may be "wrong" with me!

A little about Tyrosine

Tyrosine is metabolically synthesized from phenylalanine to become the para-hydroxy derivative of that important amino acid. Tyrosine is a precursor of the adrenal hormones epinephrine, norepinephrine, and the thyroid hormones, including thyroxine. L-tyrosine, through its effect on neurotransmitters, is used to treat conditions including mood enhancement, appetite suppression, and growth hormone (HGH) stimulation.

Tyrosine aids in the production of melanin (pigment responsible for hair and skin color) and in the functions of the adrenal, thyroid, and pituitary glands. Tyrosine attaches to iodine atoms to form active thyroid hormones. A deficiency of tyrosine has been associated with hypothyroidism.

Tyrosine is a nonessential amino acid. It is synthesized in the body from phenylalanine and is a precursor of adrenaline (epinephrine), norepinephrine, dopamine, thyroid hormones, and some types of estrogen. In order for tyrosine to metabolize into these substances, folic acid, niacin, vitamin C, and copper are needed.

Low levels of tyrosine can lead to deficiencies in norepinephrine and dopamine-neurotransmitters that regulate mood. Depression can result. Animal studies have demonstrated that stressed animals have reduced levels of norepinephrine; however, administration of tyrosine prevented a norepinephrine deficiency. Tyrosine deficiency is also associated with low blood pressure, low body temperature, and restless leg syndrome.

Tyrosine also acts as a mild antioxidant, suppresses the appetite, and helps to reduce body fat.

Because tyrosine binds unstable molecules that can potentially cause damage to the cells and tissues, it is considered a mild antioxidant. Thus, it may be useful in heavy smokers and in individuals exposed to chemicals and radiation.

Acetyl L-tyrosine (ALT) travels to the brain easier than any other form. Its impact on clinical depression is a significant contribution to nutritional medicine. The most pronounced effect is on depressive states characterized by apathy, lethargy, and listlessness. For the agitated, overwrought type of depression, tryptophan and 5-hydroxy-tryptophan, work better.

Studies that verified tyrosine's psychological lift, even against serious cases of depression, used doses of 600-2,000 mg per day. Some people showed signs of feeling better within a week. Dosages can be scaled down, to perhaps 300 mg once or twice a day, by using acetyl L-tyrosine.

In conjunction with tryptophan, tyrosine affects several other illnesses that stem from a brain chemistry imbalance, including attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder, Parkinson's disease, and withdrawal from cocaine addiction.

The drug L-dopa is usually prescribed by physicians to help control the trembling, rigidity, and other symptom's of Parkinson's disease, some research suggests that tyrosine, along with other medications, could improve the therapy.

Supplemental L-tyrosine has been used for stress reductions, and research suggests it may be helpful against chronic fatigue and narcolepsy.

L-tyrosine supplementation can help reduce the irritability, depression, and fatigue associated with PMS. Tyrosine appears to help individuals with low sex drive by stimulating the libido.

Deficiency: Symptoms of tyrosine deficiency can include low blood pressure, low body temperature (such as cold hands and feet), and restless leg syndrome.

Sources: Natural sources of tyrosine are found in almonds, avocados, bananas, dairy products, lima beans, pumpkin seeds and sesame seeds.

Tyrosine can also be produced from phenylalanine in the body.

Precautions: Persons taking monamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors, commonly prescribed for depression, must strictly limit their intake of foods containing tyrosine and should not take any supplements containing L-tyrosine, as it may lead to a sudden and dangerous rise in blood pressure. Anyone taking prescription medication for depression should discuss dietary restrictions with their physician.

Other possible side effects are migraine headache, high blood pressure, mild gastric upset, and a promoter of cancer cell division.

Dosage Ranges and Duration of Administration: Supplements of L-tyrosine should be taken at bedtime or with a high-carbohydrate meal so that it does not have to compete for absorption with other amino acids.

    * For depression, premenstrual syndrome, and chronic fatigue, a 500 to 1,000 mg dose before each of three meals is recommended.
    * For stress, 1,500 mg/day is recommended.
    * For low sex drive, Parkinson's disease, drug detoxification, and weight loss, 1 to 2 g/day in divided doses is recommended.
    * It appears that up to 12 g/day of tyrosine can be ingested safely. However, high-dose therapy should be monitored by a health care provider.


Personally, I have integrated L-Tyrosine and Iodine (Liquid Kelp) from Whole Foods or Vitamin Shoppe into my daily routine and almost instantly noticed a substantial improvement in "brain fog," my "ADHD" symptoms, FATIGUE was huge...this really helped to give me an energy that Vyvanse and Adderall (adderrall) combined cannot give me, and in my memory. As a matter of fact, I am a waiter at a new restaurant and had to memorize the entire wine list, vineyard, varietal, vintage, and price per glass coupled with a huge menu of over 60 items not to mention the ingredients of every dish; needless to say, a daunting task for the "healthy" among us even more so for someone who struggles with huge memory gaps. So on Thursday of last week I was given an oral exam to recite all of the aforementioned and I failed miserably. Then was given the weekend to study the menus and return on Monday (today); well over the weekend is when I (fortunately) discovered this information that I am now sharing with this forum. Late Sunday afternoon I supplemented with L-Tyrosine (1,000mg) and 8 drops of Iodine (Liquid Kelp 300mcg) and had a tough time sleeping that night!! I was SO energized because I took it late in the afternoon. So Monday, I took the same dosages but earlier (late morning about 11 or so) and went to work to test out or have to find another job. I am glad to report that not only did I pass every oral examination, I feel more confident in my memory and I am only 2 or 3 days into the treatment. Not to mention that this works with your body's natural needs for internal creation of thyroxin so that artificial supplementation may not (or for some, may be) needed.

I am not currently on any thyroid medication and have not officially been diagnosed, however, I have a sneaky suspicion that the test results will validate my own findings.

Best Wishes and Great Health

Mark G  
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Amino acids are interestingly complicated and equally beneficial to some people.

One thing about additional iodine, it is side effect free in just low thyroid. But if  autoimmune hypothyroid disease has already started (as in Hashimoto) , its best to proceed with caution. As it can actually speed up the immune attack and increase inflammation of the thyroid gland itself, resulting in a whir-wind of symptoms in some individuals. But some claim it works wonders too.
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i'm 34 years old from philippines  also men with hypothyroidism.been treated since 2008 and taking up 150mcg thyrax for my maintenance.i used to take synthroid 150mcg for 2 years.shiftted to thyrax now because synthroid no longer available in our country.anyone experiencing tremors particularly on hands,feet,head while taking their medications?
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so i just got diagnosed literaly a hour ago im 20. pretty pissed off headin to the doctors to get a perscription can anybody tell me about how long before i begin to lose weight cuz ive been dieting and exercising with no results hoping this is my problem
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You will get a lot more notice and response to your post if you will start a new thread under your own name.  You can do this by clicking on the Post A Question Button at top of page, shown in green, and resubmit your post.  .  
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I may be added to this list too...I am a 30 yr old male and have most or all of the symptoms described and have had them for many many years.  I had bloodwork done and my TSH is .03.  I don't know where you are getting the T4 or whatever results from but I assume those results come after seeing an Endocrinologist.  So now I'm about to make an appointment and hopefully learn to manage this crap or nip it in the bud. I was kind of relieved as well about these results because it seems very much the source of all of these symptoms and makes so much sense.  Treating this seems more possible than treating the anxiety, depression, hypertension that I was previously diagnosed.
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could i have hypo?
my morning temp is on average 97
loosing outter eyebrows
lines in my fingernails
anxiety and depression
tired all the time
mental fog
no sex drive
bags under my eyes
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WOW! I do n ot know what to think about all this. I am a 40 year old male, and was diagnosed with an inactive thyroid yesterday. My Doc found this when she sent me for blood test after diagnosing me with anemia. I actually was told this over the phone yesterday morning and have an appt. scheduled For Monday. I do feel...Weird that this is something they see mostly in Women. I have been all over the internet finding out as much as I can about it. I had alot of the symptoms. The memory and brain fog and fatiqued were the 2 biggest. Constantly tired.I can go to sleep @ 6 pmand sleep until 7 the next morning and be tired by 9:30 and take a nap. I was always extrememly active so this part *****. Anyway,I hope I get my energy back.
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recently got dxd with hypo, my tsh levels 16 and t3/t4 levels below normal range.....i am levo 50 for 10 days and then increased to 100....my initial symptoms were i am lightheaded / dizziness / vertigo / blood cholesterol levels high....when i stand up and everything turns blurry and i fall over sometimes, then after starting medication vertigo disappeared but heaviness in my head still persists....

pls tel me after how many days of medication will these symptoms disappear completely...
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23 y/o hypothroid 50mcg levothroxine (levothyroxine) a day for the last 6 months training mma at the same time still not losing the weight getting fit body shap changeing weight not comming off annoyed much docter dont know what to say dieatition dosent know what to suggest as what i eat is good over 200kg and want to fight in the octagon one day got atleast 100kgs to have a chance
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Please post your thyroid test results and reference ranges shown on the lab report so that members can assess the adequacy of testing and treatment.
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I was Dx with Hashi until the 22 may be I develop it many years before. I'm now on 125 synthroid and a compounded T3 of 17.1 mcg and a TSH of 0.53. I developed recently adrenal fatigue taking 5 mg of cortef three time per day for two months.
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I am Male in my late thirties with hypo on 100 mcg Levo, Although most of my pre-diagnosis symptoms have disappeared, I do get strange symptoms on a day to day basis. The most worrying is the chest pains,tremors and the runs.
It is important to stabilise the thyroxine hormone, to lessen the symptoms of hyper.
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hi...im 20 nd just got diagnosed with  hypothyroidism....its caused quiet a lot of problems in my studies....because of memory problems it causes...just wanted to know how long the meds take to kick in and the levels become normal....and when they do, all the problems it causes goes away right??
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It takes a few months before the treatment is stabilised and most symptoms have disappeared. Change in how you feel should be felt in a couple of weeks as it takes approx 7 days for the hormone to flow around your body. Depending how long you've been hypo, you may need to wait a while before you feel better as the body needs to repair itself.
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I am male and have been on synthroid for 11 years, and although my TSH levels have stabilized according to my doctor, I still feel like crap most days.

I mean I am so tired all of the time..

This has gotten much worse since I had my gallbadder removal surgery.


I can and have slept for 44 hrs straight.
I told this to my doc but he seems to ignore it constantly stating my TSH levels look good.

I ran into a friend was having the same issues till she switched to a different med (armour).

Wondering if this would be more effective to combat the fatigue, I asked my doctor, but he doesn't want to change the prescription..

Anyway I'm just tired of being tired all the time..

So I'm doing a little research on my own and would appreciate some feedback on anyone else whom has switched from sythrouid to armour thyroid or thyrolar.

Was there any major side effects?

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I am male and have been on synthroid for 11 years, and although my TSH levels have stabilized according to my doctor, I still feel like crap most days.

I mean I am so tired all of the time..

This has gotten much worse since I had my gallbadder removal surgery.


I can and have slept for 44 hrs straight.
I told this to my doc but he seems to ignore it constantly stating my TSH levels look good.

I ran into a friend was having the same issues till she switched to a different med (armour).

Wondering if this would be more effective to combat the fatigue, I asked my doctor, but he doesn't want to change the prescription..

Anyway I'm just tired of being tired all the time..

So I'm doing a little research on my own and would appreciate some feedback on anyone else whom has switched from sythrouid to armour thyroid or thyrolar.

Was there any major side effects?

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The reason many people do better on Armour or other combo T4/T3 meds, is that patients taking T4 meds frequently find that their body is not adequately converting the T4 toT3.  This results in levels of Free T3 (the biologically active form of T3 hormone) that are too low in the range, resulting in hypothyroid symptoms like yours.  

I can't understand why so many doctors have the "Immaculate TSH Belief" by which they think that they can diagnose and medicate a thyroid patient by TSH alone.  This is very wrong.  TSH is a pituitary hormone that is affected by so many variables that it doesn't even correlate adequately with Free T3 and Free T4, much less with hypo symptoms.  Scientific studies have shown that Free T3 correlated best with hypo symptoms, while Free T4 and TSH did not correlate.  TSH is even less reliable when already taking thyroid meds.

The other big fallacy is using "Reference Range Endocrinology", by which they will tell you that any test result that falls within the so-called "normal" range is adequate.  This is also erroneous.  The ranges are far too broad since they have never been properly corrected, like done for TSH over 8 years ago.  As the ranges currently stand, they should be used only as guidelines within which to adjust Free T3 and Free T4 as necessary to relieve symptoms, without being constrained by resultant TSH levels.  this is basically the definition of what a good thyroid doctor does in treating patients clinically.  Many of our members, myself included, report that symptom relief for them required that Free T3 was adjusted into the upper third of the range and Free T4 adjusted to around the midpoint of its range.  

If you want to do some reading about clinical treatment, this is a link to a letter written by a good thyroid doctor for patients that he consults with from a distance.  The letter is sent to the PCP of the patient tohelp guide treatment.  

http://hormonerestoration.com/files/ThyroidPMD.pdf

In the letter take special note of this statement.  "The ultimate criterion for dose adjustment must always be the clinical response. I have prescribed natural dessicated thyroid for your patient (Armour or Nature-Throid). These contain T4 and T3 (40mcg and 9mcg respectively per 60mg). They are more effective than T4 therapy for most patients. Since they provide more T3 than the thyroid gland produces, the well-replaced patient’s free T4 will be around the middle of its range or lower, and the FT3 will be high-“normal” or slightly high before the AM dose."

The first step for you should be to request to be tested for Free T3 and Free T4 (not the same as Total T3 and Total T4) and if the doctor resists or offers some excuses as to why it is not necessary then you should insist on it and don't take no for an answer.  I would even go to the extreme of making sure that the lab people know it is to be Free T3 and Free T4, not the Totals.  You'd be amazed at how often they operate on auto pilot and do the wrong ones.  

When test results are available, then get a copy of the lab report and post results and reference ranges shown on the lab report and members will be glad to help interpret and advise further.


  

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Are there any psychological problems that could linger on post treatment with Levothyroxine?
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im 43 and male my hypothyroid is being treated with thyroxetine i started on 25mg and went all the way upto 225 and went back down to 100 hitting all numbers inbetween and now on 125 one day 150 the next till the next bloods   and on the way back up again im still not in control of it after 2.5 years will it ever get under control i have bloods done bi monthly and see my quack(specialist) every 6 months
and my doctor does the bloods bi monthly still symtomatic after 2.5 years
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will also say that im now having to take a hormone treatment (testosterone ) as i grew a set of male boobs from having to much thyroxetine for 2 long which isnt a nice addage to my body
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similar to how i feel mate and im hypothyroid
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also is this true
as im very low all the time depression
i was referred to a counsellor for depression and they have said that even though im depressed the psychiatrist wont prescribe a antidepressant as my thyroid isn't under control
am i expected to get more and more depressed till my thyroid is under control its been 2.5 years since thyroid diagnosis and been depressed for 3/4 months
and dont want to get worse  
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Since this is a very old post, your issues would get more attention, if you start a new thread, listing your problems, along with the latest thyroid blood test results.  Be sure to add reference ranges, as these vary from lab to lab, so must come from your own report.

Members will be glad to help assess your situation and try to help you.
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Hi I am a 29 year old male and had hypo since birth and am on a very high dose of thyroxine even for a woman. When i was born i was in intensive care for several weeks as to the rarity of the condition them days in general let alone in males. I had been very nieve as a teen and went through a long phase (approx 6 months) of not taking my medication, i rapidly gained weight and became extremely lethargic with a worryingly low blood pressure. My doctor was surprised i even managed to get up of the morning. Any way i hadnt taken any notice of my TSH levels and what they ment till now but i do know that my T4 is lower than my T3. I now take my medication every single day and am thankfully alot more active and slim now, a big learning curve. The thing that worries me i what damage if any ive done to my body during that stupid phase of my life. My main concern is fertility.
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Hi I am a 29 year old male and had hypo since birth and am on a very high dose of thyroxine even for a woman. When i was born i was in intensive care for several weeks as to the rarity of the condition them days in general let alone in males. I had been very nieve as a teen and went through a long phase (approx 6 months) of not taking my medication, i rapidly gained weight and became extremely lethargic with a worryingly low blood pressure. My doctor was surprised i even managed to get up of the morning. Any way i hadnt taken any notice of my TSH levels and what they ment till now but i do know that my T4 is lower than my T3. I now take my medication every single day and am thankfully alot more active and slim now, a big learning curve. The thing that worries me i what damage if any ive done to my body during that stupid phase of my life. My main concern is fertility.
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I am 61 years old, just discovered, I am a candidate for thyroid problems after having hair loss and and spasms in the chest region, thanks for sharing, as I can related to the points discussed..Thought I had the Big one. so in the middle of the night checked in to the hospital, The cardiologist dismissed my case as anxiety / stress but he was wrong. Temporary on propanol., will go for the required test to confirm the problem,
thanks you all once again
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When you say "for the required test", I am not sure what you meant.  If you are to be tested for thyroid issues, please make sure they include the biologically active thyroid hormones, Free T3 and Free T4 (not the same as Total T3 and T4), along with TSH.   Since symptoms are the most important indicator of hypothyroidism, please look at this listing of 26 typical hypo symptoms, and tell us which ones you have.  
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hi
I’m 27 years old male and 3 months ago I went to the doctors about having a stomach problem and I also ask for a full blood work up (the first full blood test I have ever had) .
My TSH and cholesterol was in danger levels and the doctor was more focused on the cholesterol at that time gave me eating plans and information on it at the time I was only eating 1 meal a day and even now I am usually only eating 1 meal a day .
She also made me go for another TSH test 1 month latter and called me back in
My TSH is 16
Now I have to go for yet another blood test for TSH/TFT (s)
I have always had a cough even as a young boy I always thought it was from smoking but I gave up the smokes and it is still there
I have most of the symptoms of hypothyroid
But I thought what was happening to me was just me growing up
I still am not sexually active and can’t keep friends or jobs

Is this in any way normal?
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TSH of 16 indicates that you are hypothyroid. This is a very old (and long) post.  Why not start a new post with your information?  Please include blood test results and reference ranges........
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Hi
This is my lab work


First test Range Units
Free T4 13.9 9.0-19.0                   pmol/L
Free T3 5.0 2.6-6.0 pmol/L
TSH 0.14 L 0.3-3.5 mU/L

Second test                 
Free T4 13.1 9.0-19.0                  pmol/L
Free T3 4.9 2.6-6.0 pmol/L
TSH 0.19 L 0.3-3.5 mU/L

Third Test
Free T4 14.4 9.0-19.0                   pmol/L
Free T3 4.6 2.6-6.0 pmol/L
TSH 0.21 L 0.3-3.5 mU/L


Now my doctor has referred me for a nuclear thyroid scan
And I have to travel 140 km just for the test.
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If you look at this list of 26 typical hypothyroid symptoms, which ones do you have, if any?

http://endocrine-system.emedtv.com/hypothyroidism/hypothyroidism-symptoms-and-signs.html
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I thought it weird that people think men don't have thyroid problems really. I've known a dozen or so over the past 5 years alone. I've had Hypo for 18 years now.

Discounting the symptoms for women, I have all but 3 of the symptoms on the web link gimel posted. I've never had a swollen tongue and am not sensitive to cold. I am quite opposite actually. Completely hot all the time to the point I wear shorts and tank top when it's 30 degrees out.

And the part about "decreased ability to exercise" is spot on. Not only is it difficult to exercise due to bones hurting but the total lack of energy on top of it. It typically interferes with my ability to work regularly but I "grin and bear" it and keep quiet about it and do what I can. I guess that has been the man's way forever it seems.  
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I haven’t replied in a few days I have been laid up with some back pain just above my kidneys and chest pain not my heart or anything just chest pain and a real bad stabbing pain in my throat.
And most the systems are there and I will post the list.
One thing that may be worth noting is I have this lump on my back just above my kidney and I got this checked out when I was 20 by 2 doctors and they basically told me it was a fat lump but I don’t now and I think it is more than that because it is still there and that’s the same area that some of the pain came from in the past few days.
I still have some pain today but it is minimal
And on the exercise part I have found something that does help. it is called a power ball gyro .it is manly used to help RSI but it has helped me out with some of the muscle weakness and I have  had it for around 6 years.
Around 2 months ago I did get stung by a paper wasp and I went in to anaphylactic shock.
The emergency doctor told me that if I get stun again it will be worse. I was getting testing by my doctor for about 1 mount before this happened and I also have to carry adrenaline shots around with me .
I don’t really want to disuse all this with my doctor but it does look like I have no choice.
•Feeling tired (fatigue) and sluggishness    yes
•Weight gain  yes (but stable at 100 kg)
•Slow movement and speech   yes
•Constipation    yes
•Increased sensitivity to cold   yes
•Puffy face  yes
•Swelling around the eyes  no
•Loss of eyebrows  no
•Joint and muscle pain, aches, and stiffness   yes
•Pale, dry, rough, and thick skin   yes
•Dry, thinning, or coarse hair  yes
•Brittle nails  yes
•A horse voice (don’t now)
•An enlarged tongue     no
•Decrease in taste     yes
•Decreased sweating   yes( but have night sweets)
•Heavy or irregular menstrual periods  (not applicable)
•Infertility  (don’t now never been tested )
•Miscarriage in early pregnancy  (not applicable)
•Depression  yes
•Slowed heart rate  yes
•Swollen ankles  no
•Decreased hearing  yes
•Mild high blood pressure yes
•Difficulty catching your breath (severe shortness of breath) when exercising  yes
•Decreased ability to exercise  yes
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If you would like to understand how you should be tested and treated,  you can get some good insight into clinical treatment from this letter written by a good thyroid doctor for patients that he sometimes consults with from a distance.  The letter is sent to the PCP of the patient to help guide treatment.  This is the type of treatment I strongly recommend for you.

http://hormonerestoration.com/files/ThyroidPMD.pdf

The biggest problem for most of us here has been finding that good thyroid doctor.  If you are interested, I have such a doctor in Seattle that was recommended by a fellow member.
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You are definitely hypothyroid, based on all those symptoms and your test results.  Your free T4 is okay, but your Free T3 is not high enough to relieve symptoms.  Many of our members, myself included, report that symptom relief for them required that Free T3 was adjusted into the upper third of its range and free T4 adjusted to around the midpoint of its range.

Raising your Free T3 level is going to suppress your TSH further, which will cause many doctors to declare you hyper and want to reduce medication.  You are not really hyper unless you also have hyper symptoms caused by excessive hyper symptoms.

By the way you did not mention if you are taking thyroid meds already.  Also, have you ever been tested for the thyroid antibodies, Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin?  The tests are TPO ab and TG ab.  they are used to detect the most common cause of hypothyroidism, which is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis.  

A good thyroid doctor will treat a hypo patient clinically by testing and adjusting Free T3 and Free T4 as necessary to relieve symptoms, without being constrained by resultant TSH levels.  Just as I told tkd4u2 above, you can get some good insight into clinical treatment from this letter written by a good thyroid doctor for patients that he sometimes consults with from a distance.  The letter is sent to the PCP of the patient to help guide treatment.  This is the type of treatment I strongly recommend for you also.

http://hormonerestoration.com/files/ThyroidPMD.pdf

So I think your most immediate need is to find that good thyroid doctor that will treat you clinically.  If you will tell us your location, perhaps some member may be able to recommend a good thyroid doctor for you.

I also want to mention that whenever you go back to see a doctor, try to get them to also test you for Reverse T3, Vitamin A, D, B12 and RBC magnesium.  Many hypothyroid patients find they are low in these areas as well.
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Hi
It is a no for any thyroid meds.
But I have been taking a multivitamins every day for as long as I can remember even at high school I carried a bottle in my bag and only used them when I needed to.
I currently take berocca performace every day.
I live in Australia in Northern NSW
And I hope you start to get better to tkd4u2
And thank you for the help I do appreciate it Gimel
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And I haven’t been tested for thyroid antibodies will request it at my next appointment in 2 weeks
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Please make sure you get the other tests as well.  When you have test results if you will posts results and reference ranges members will be glad to help interpret and advise further.  

Best to you.
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Guys hello. I am male , 29 years medical student and I was diagnosed with Hashimoto Disease. It is annoying to know that your own body attacks your thyroid gland but fortunately if one finds his T4 dosage he will have a normal life. Even better when the thyroid is eventually fully destroyed by your own body then you will finally settle in a stable dosage of T4 and your visits to your endocrinologist will almost fully diminished..Hashimoto is not a pleasent situation BUT thanx God it is not HIV it is not cancer. Since I got T4 , I lost the extra gain I had gained, and my blood tests were better than the average male of my age. Do not loose hope.Medication T4 is cheap and i think a visit to an endocrinologist every 6 month is not a big deal..My love to all off you..
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whoever reported me please tell me the reason especially if he is also a medical student or a doctor..
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Well, since you are a medical student it is a good time for you to learn that T4 does not work in all cases.  Many hypo patients being medicated with T4 only find that their body does not adequately convert the T4 to T3 and they end up still being hypo because their Free T3 level is too low in the range.  I was like that for over 25 years while taking 200 mcg of Synthroid daily.

In spite of the dosage, I still had lingering hypo symptoms until learning about the importance of free T3, and the scientific data showing that Free T3 correlates best with hypo symptoms, while Free T4 and TSH does not correlate. Got my Free T3 level tested and confirmed low in the range and my meds were revised to a desiccated type med with both T4 and T3.  Now after some tweaking, my Free T3 is 3.9 (range is 2.3 - 4.2), my Free T4 is .84 ( range of .60 - 1.50), and I feel best ever.  

Lest you think this is an isolated case, it is absolutely not.  In addition there are biological reasons why T4 is frequently not adequately converted to T3.  There are also valid reasons why the reference ranges for Free T3 and Free T4 are too broad.  Similarly, TSH is totally inadequate as the sole diagnostic for medicating a hypo patient.  

Forum members here don't just rely on anecdotal information.  We have much scientific study data that we have all gleaned from endless searching for answers to our hypo problems.  You would be welcome to share in that data with us, if you are open minded.  If, however, you are totally convinced of the usual dogma from medical schools and thus have the "Immaculate TSH Belief" and only plan to use "Reference range Endocrinology, then don't waste our time.
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nope not that rare
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Rofl         (Rolling On Floor Laughing)
I think it is time we get the boxing gloves out and let these 2 slog it out.
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29 Yr old male here in the military,.. Been struggling for several years but certain symptoms like constipation and fatigue have gotten un-ignorable over the last couple of years. I finally saw a doctor in August of this past year, and finally, after EGD, colonoscopy, ultrasounds, MRI, finally I think im getting close. I got the following lab results today
t3 91     (80-220)
FT3 1.3 (2.0-4.4)
FT4 0.93 (0.81-1.58)
TSH 1.67  (0.465-4.68)

I called my Doctor to ask for him to take a look at my lab results, he was not inclined to look into thyroid labs.. I started looking online and just went into the lab and asked them to draw the blood.

Thanks for any info and I appreciate all the support in this forum.
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From those labs it is no wonder that you have hypothyroid symptoms.  In addition, the ranges are far too broad and many members, myself included, find that symptom relief requires that Free T3 needs to be in the upper third of the range and free T4 around the midpoint.  

A good thyroid doctor will treat a hypo patient clinically by testing and adjusting Free T3 and Free T4 as necessary to relieve symptoms, without being constrained by resultant TSH levels.  Symptom relief should be all important, not just test results.  You can confirm what I am telling you in this letter written by a good thyroid doctor for patients that he sometimes consults with from a distance.  The letter is sent to the PCP of the patient to help guide treatment.  

http://hormonerestoration.com/files/ThyroidPMD.pdf

In the letter please note this statement.  "The ultimate criterion for dose
adjustment must always be the clinical response. I have prescribed natural dessicated thyroid for your patient (Armour or Nature-Throid). These contain T4 and T3 (40mcg and 9mcg respectively per 60mg). They are more effective than T4 therapy for most patients. Since they provide more
T3 than the thyroid gland produces, the well-replaced patient’s free T4 will be around the middle of its range or lower, and the FT3 will be high-“normal” or slightly high before the AM dose."

So this is the type of treatment you need.  If you give a copy of this letter to your doctor it might have some influence on him and change his mind about treating you.  If not, then you need to find a good thyroid doctor that will treat you clinically as described.

It would also be a good idea to get tested for the thyroid antibodies, TPO ab and TG ab, to see if Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is the cause for your hypothyroidism.  Other tests that would be advisable some time in the near future would be Vitamin D, B12, RBC magnesium, zinc, and selenium.
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Hi
I just wanted to now does this affect your teeth
Because I do have to have 6 extractions 12 fillings/restorations  
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All I can tell you is that hypothyroidism is often associated with gingivitis, which frequently turns into periodontal disease, gum recession and bone loss.  
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Ok I got the result for uptake scan and it may be hashitoxicosis or early graves.
I still need to get the antibody tests.
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Is it normal to be a 16 year old with hypothyroid that is slowly increasing. Doctors just tell me your thyroid might be inflamed and is autoimmune. I feel rather confused about what this mean. I am still young and all but should I be greatly concerned. They keep giving me pills that are never helping because my numbers continue to increase or decrease idk....
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No need to be over concerned.  Successful treatment of hypothyroidism is primarily a matter of finding a good thyroid doctor, which I'll explain later.  First I'd like to explain a bit about your situation.  From your descriptions of being hypothyroid and autoimmune, I assume you have been diagnosed as having Hashimoto's Thyroiditis.  The purpose of your autoimmune system is to protect you from anything foreign to your body, by producing antibodies to attack and kill the foreign substance.  Unfortunately, with Hashi's the autoimmune system sees your thyroid gland as foreign and produces antibodies that start attacking the gland and continue over an extended period until the gland is eventually destroyed.

Along the way, you will need to gradually replace the loss of natural thyroid hormone with thyroid medication.  The whole purpose of the thyroid medication is to keep you from having symptoms caused by inadequate thyroid hormone.  The reason you don't feel better now is because you are either not being given the right medication, or the right amount, and your thyroid hormone levels are still too low.  

A good thyroid doctor will treat a hypo patient clinically by testing and adjusting Free T3 and Free T4 as necessary to relieve symptoms, without being constrained by resultant TSH levels.  Symptom relief should be all important, not just test results.  You can get some good info from this letter written by a good thyroid doctor for patients that he sometimes consults with from a distance.  The letter is sent to the Primary Doctor to help guide treatment.

http://hormonerestoration.com/files/ThyroidPMD.pdf

If you are being medicated based on the TSH test only, that doesn't work.  TSH is a pituitary hormone that is supposed to reflect levels of the thyroid hormones, but in actuality it does not correlate well at all.  The most important consideration in treating a hypo patient is symptoms, followed by the levels of the biologically active thyroid hormones, which are Free T3 and Free T4.  In the link I gave you above, you can note this statement, "TSH-based thyroidology is an unjustified faith in the infallibility of the hypothalamic-pituitary axis. One must instead base the diagnosis and dosing on symptoms first, and on the free T4 and free T3 levels second."

So the first thing I recommend is that you make a copy of the letter above and discuss it and all this info with your parents.  Then it would be a good idea to go back and get tested for Free T3 and Free T4 (not the same as Total T3 and Total T4).  If the doctor resists, then you should insist on it and don't take no for an answer.  Maybe even give the doctor a copy of the letter as well.  It would also be a good idea to get tested for Vitamin D, and B12.

When test results are available, please get a copy of the lab report and post test results and their reference ranges shown on the report and members will be glad to help interpret and advise further.  

Please don't be dismayed by all this info at once.  To be successful in getting properly treated it is always a good idea for you to learn as much as possible about hypothyroidism and become your own best advocate.  

If you will hang with us, you will find many experienced and knowledgeable members who will be very happy to answer your questions and make suggestions that will help you.  

One last thing is that sometime soon you are going to need to find out if your doctor is willing to treat you clinically, for symptoms, as described in the letter.  Also you need to know if your doctor will prescribe T3 type meds if necessary to raise your Free T3 level.  If the answer to either is no, then you will need to find a good thyroid doctor that will do so.  And by the way, that does not automatically mean an Endocrinologist.  
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Thank you for your concern. My doc says TSH is all I need to worry about, and that FT3 doesn't matter, my thyroid is fine. I asked if he could test for Hashi's, but says he will add more labs if I chose to request so in about 6 weeks. Im now on wellbutrin 150mg twice daily after my referrel to mental health. Ive read several articles on how to interpret my lab results and basically I fall into that Euthryoid Sick Syndrome, but what about FT3? Is free t3 really that important? If you have a similar experience I would love to share with you. Thanks again.
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Well, being a military man you will understand when I say that your doctor needs to go through "basic training" on thyroid.  I hope you took the time to read the link I gave you on the letter written by a good thyroid doctor.   That pretty well spells out what a good thyroid doctor would do for you, and it certainly would not be to ignore everything but TSH.  

Regarding the importance of Free T3, here is a link to a scientific study that shows conclusively that Free T3 correlated best with hypo symptoms, while Free T4 and TSH did not correlate.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/cjne/2000/00000010/00000002/art00002

You appear to have secondary hypothyroidism, which means that your pituitary is not producing enough TSH to cause your thyroid glands to provide adequate thyroid hormone.  This is evident in your very low-in-the-range Free T3 and Free T4 levels.

I was on a full daily replacement dosage of T4 med for over 30 years, and still had lingering hypo symptoms.  Then I found this Forum and learned about the importance of Free T3.  Got mine tested and confirmed as low in the range.  Doctor switched me to a T4/T3 combo type med and after some tweaking I now feel best ever.  My Free T3 is near the high end of the range and free T4 is a bit below the middle of its range.

Do you think there is any chance that you might be able to show scientific data to the doctor and get him to change his mind about treating you?  If so we can give you plenty of links to good information.
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How important is Free T3?

Well Free T3 is the ONLY thing your body's cells ACTUALLY uses.  TSH is produced by the Pituitary gland.  So from a very rudimentary perspective ask yourself why you would test and rely 100% upon a Pituitary hormone to determine your THYROID health rather than the ACTUAL and ONLY Hormone your body's cells actually use????

TSH is nothing more than a hormone to turn your thyroid gland on to produce Thyroid.  Similar to a thermostat on your home furnace.  hence it's name Thyroid Stimulating Hormone or TSH.

When everything is running perfectly, the TSH "signal" hormone is sent out by your PITUITARY gland in your brain.  And then it turns on the Thyroid gland to produce Thyroid hormone.  The gland itself produces BOTH T4 and T3 but mostly T4.  The T4 hormone is a storage hormone that remains in your blood and when the body sense need for Thyroid it converts the T4 into T3.  And the T3 that does not get attached to a protein thus known as "free T3" because it is unattached is actually used by your body.  When the body is happy the TSH signal hormone is reduced and turns down your Thyroid gland to produce Thyroid.

If the world was perfect than reliance upon TSH would be reasonable.  But since we all know the world is FAR from perfect several problems can occur.

One is that your Pituitary that produces TSH doesn't work right.  Thus TSH would not be produced correctly or in the correct amount to regulate Thyroid.

Another is that the Thyroid doesn't work right and either over or under produces regardless of TSH.

Another is that they thyroid produces some but just enough to trick the TSH from being elevated enough to get a Dr to believe you have a problem.

So in order to TRULY get at the performance of your Thyroid. It is best to test the Thyroid hormone levels in your blood.  These being Free T4 and Free T3.  Only then can a determination be made if there is enough for your body.

If you only Get Free T4 measured. That is better than just TSH alone, but it does NOT tell the whole story.  Remember that your body ONLY uses the Free T3 hormone.  There are a couple of things that can happen if you only test for FT4.

You see it is possible for enough FT4 to be in your blood.  But if your body is not efficient in the conversion process of converting the T4 into usable FT3, then it does little good.  This is like a car with a full tank of gas, but if the engine is not getting enough gas it will run like crap and not give you full power etc.  This is exactly what happens when a person has good (meaning mid range or above) FT4 levels but still feels like crap.  Or is at least one cause.

Another cause that can go undiscovered with FT4 testing only is again the levels are good but still feel like crap may be a different kind of conversion problem.  This conversion problem occurs when during the conversion process the FT4 converts too many of hormone into what is known as REVERSE T3 or RT3.  This is an exact replica of the T3 hormone but the molecule is exactly a mirror image of the true T3 molecule.  The trick here is that the body's cells will accept the RT3 but it is biologically inactive and doesn't do anything.  Other than plug up your body's cells for other Free T3 to properly get to. This is analogous to a plugged fuel filter.  You can have as much gas going through the fuel lines as you want but if the filter is plugged, your engine won't run correctly.  Everyone has some RT3 made when converting but some people although a bit more rare have a condition maybe even temporarily that they produce way too much RT3 and the "plugging" situation results.

Testing BOTH FT4 AND FT3 is the only way that allows some ability to diagnose these conversion problems.

The goal for most is that most people get symptom relief when you have TWO conditions met.

1) your FT4 is in the MIDDLE of the range if not slightly above

AND

2) Your FT3 levels are in the UPPER 1/3 of the range.

Understand that simply being "somewhere within the range" as being normal or good enough is SIMPLY FALSE.  Dr's who only medicate you until you get them into some portion of the range is doing a HUGE disservice and you will never feel completely well.  We here on this forum call those Dr's "reference range endocrinology".  

If your FT4 is middle or more and your FT3 is below mid range if not in the upper part of the range, it suggests a conversion problem of converting from T4 to T3.

If on the other hand both the FT4 & FT3 are middle and upper 1/3 respectively and you are still symptomatic.  This suggests a possible RT3 problem.  And RT3 CAN be tested for but I understand it is a bit expensive so really only done when it is suspected.  Also a condition like both levels proper may be reason to suspect adrenal fatigue as well and tests can be done for that as well.

Furthermore, if you do start on a Thyroid medication.  It is ENTIRELY possible that the medication itself will suppress the pituitary TSH response.  That is essentially the blast of the medication into your bloodstream will be sensed by the Pituitary and it will "see" that no additional Thyroid is needed.  Kind of like it "goes to sleep" once it has check the level. So it won't produce to stimulate TSH production and thus you may still have inadequate Thyroid in your body for the day, and is ths "suppressed.  But since little or no TSH was produced.  And if your Dr ONLY uses TSH.  The Dr. will be getting a false indication that you have enough Thyroid otherwise your TSH would be higher.

Frequently what will happen is that the patient will have a elevated TSH.  The Dr prescribes Thyroid medication.  the medication suppresses TSH.  And the patient truly still is lacking T4 and T3.  But in 6 weeks when you get your TSH tested again. The TSH will so LOW.  That the Dr will reduce or remove the prescription for thyroid believing that the patient is now HYPER by his medication giving too much Thyroid.  But in reality the TSH is only suppressed and the patient is still actually Hypo (low thyroid). The patient may even be telling the Dr. that they are starting to feel better and have NO symptoms what so ever of Hyper.  By reducing or canceling the prescription.  The Dr is actually making the EXACT WRONG decision.

However had this Dr also tested FT4 and FT3.  He would then be able to determine that the levels of the ACTUAL hormones are still low in the range and thus understand that the TSH has been suppressed and thus is of little value.

Also understand that I am NOT a Dr.  But this is what I have learned through my own research primarily here on this forum.

Reliance upon "immaculate TSH belief" is one of the most negligent things in the medical industry in my opinion.  Followed closely behind are those Dr's who believe in reference range endocrinology.  The first will almost assuredly keep you sick or on a roller coaster.  The latter is better in that they will generally medicate you so that you feel a little better, but you'll likely never feel completely well either.

I hope this long winded response helps you understand why using TSH ALONE is almost completely useless other than a screening tool at best.  Relying on it solely will almost certainly guarantee that you will NOT be treated properly.  Or it will result in a roller coaster ride by using an improper test to try to adjust your medication.  And why testing of the two Free hormones FT4 and FT3 is essential in being able to properly treat Thyroid problems.
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Has anyone heard of a connection of hypothyroidism to trigeminal neuralgia?
I seemed to get diagnosed with both ailments around the same time. I have just started to take thyroxin and it may not be the correct dose. If I find that the neuralgia eases off as treatment progresses, I will re-post in case others are affected also. Thanks in advance
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Can anyone explain the link between Hypothroid-Obesity-BP-SUGAR
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im 15 and i found out i was hypo after about 2 months of feeling horrible symptoms and i was wondering if any other men went through a period of really terrible sickness and depression before finding out as i did

so basically i started feeling odd and i didnt know what was wrong with my body i experienced loss of appetite, constipation, sensitivity to cold, the slowed down feeling, weird pains, "brain fog" i guess, increased need for sleep, a huge decrease in libido, and what i believed was rectal swelling which made it really hard even begin to try to go to the bathroom combined with the constipation.

i can easily describe it as the worst and scariest two months of my life the depression and physical symptoms were overwhelming. i cant even begin to describe how difficult it was to think clearly or enjoy anything what so ever.

i would never wish what i went through upon anyone

i first started taking levothyroxine in late November and have stayed steady at 88mc so far
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Thanks again Gimel and Flying Fool. I really, really appreciate the feedback and all the things you have done for the community here. I have read a bunch of your other posts on the forum and including one about the clinical presentation of hypo symptoms and resulting lab findings, Connection between low ft3 and symptoms.
My current doctor is a GP and it is highly unlikely he has the skillset to begin treating based on symptoms alone, also, bear in mind this is military medical coverage and treatment is "overly cautious" to the point of people getting turned away with Motrin for life-threatening conditions.
Having said that, I am close to the 6 week mark for requesting more treatment now that I have been getting CBT and wellbutrin for the past month. Having said that my options are to
1) request more labs,
2) get  referred to internal medicine to a different (probably just as against treating thyroid) Dr, or
3)just waiting until I get back to the US (roughly one year away.) to $$$ pay for and locate my own treatment

Also, there is a very unique complication with my hypo symptoms. I was Dx with Gastric Diverticulum in the upper fundus (kind of like a Hiatal Hernia) that is definately aggravated when I am constipated. So you can imagine the cycle here hypo symptoms which seem to flare up like low stomach acid / metabolism and resulting constipation causes additional pain in stomach and chest. I declined to get 4 port laproscopic surgery to fix it, its just too much going on I dont think I could handle the stress of having an operation while still trying to salvage my military career through these times.

So, having said all of this, I am really just need some help with a game plan. I can show all the peer review medical articles in the world but I doubt it is going to suddenly enlighten my GP and starting any trial of medication (and especially not armour thyroid). He has referenced studies that show that in chronically ill patients administering t3 has had mixed or conflicting results and is inconclusive whether to treat.

If I go for more labs, so what, they will probably be ""Normal"" anyways right? Please help, and thanks again, I cannot thank you enough for the support.
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I have found fish oil capsuls to be beneficial and less symptomatic than any other treatment I have tried for myself for constipation. Rectal swelling sounds like hemrroids and can be extremely painful to the point of not being able to walk.

If you can get your hands on any high quality fish oil cap, (I use Optimum Nutrition), you may experience they won't give you that nasty fish oil burp like some of the more generic brands I have tried. I take 2 capsules every night right after dinner and although I am still constipated frequently it has helped reduce inflammation, and swelling related to passing hard and or compacted stools.

Also, IMO best way to hinder constipation is through proper eating and limiting intake of certain foods that tend to stick to the intestines like glue and slow things down. I myself do not tolerate supplements like Psyllium Husk, and I have heard that long term use can actually be harmful.
So, to sum it up I would try the best you can to mitigate those things through diet rather than a drug that simple tries to cheat the system by relieving it of performing its duty rather than actually assisting the system work. Hope that makes sense for you...

Also, the other supplement I have found somewhat relief from has been L-Glutamine. Typically body builder's use this, but I have learned it is an amino acid that specifically your intestines feed on. So, although Im not making a scientific claim about L-Glutamine here, I definately have gotten a bit of relief from it too.

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i am 17 years old and i also have a hypo thyroid i've been diagnosed with it for a year now but felt symptons from in for some time now.

i always thought i was just a teenager that really didnt keep up with all the other boys i mean i am physically capable but i do find myself getting drained of energy extreamley fast.

Also if i stand up to fast some times with out remembering to take my medicine that day i tend to feel extreamley dizzy and some times tend to faint.

if anyone has the same types of feeling please feel me in i'd like to learn as much as i can therefore me being so young and all.
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I'm 17 guy and have hypothroidism, and have found it to be challenging to say the least, I've been on synthroid for about 2 months and haven't really noticed much difference, is this normal? And emotionally its rough but the worst part is my hair won't stop falling out. This is obviously very distressing and I was wondering if I can expect this to stop any time soon and if anyone has the same problem. Thanks!
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This is a duplicate post.  See thread under marky_mark's own name.
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I personally do not believe that there is a ratio of women to men getting hypothyroidism of 10:1.

Genetically speaking hypothyroidism isn't passed down through gender specific genes, so we can rule out hypothyroidism being exclusively female or exclusively male.

I believe the reason why more women then men are diagnosed is 1) within the medical fraternity they believe very few men have the disorder and therefore do not run the proper tests; (2) men who do have hypothyroidism are being treated for other disorders such as ADHD, depression, high cholesterol problems, heart issues which could simply be symptoms of hypothyroidism; and (3) the fact is males are not as proactive as women with their health and are much less likely to go to the doctor and instead tough out the symptoms until these symptoms manifest as other disorders as stated above.

I believe there should be research done into this because the ratio simply doesn't make any sense. When a man sees a doctor due to high cholesterol, depression, ADHD and so forth, perhaps the first tests which should be run are thyroid function tests.
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Hey man!  I am 42 male, doc just took blood tests last week and my tsh was 5.7 and he said I was hypo but going back in to get propermeds etc.  but yeah, as with you, I have only symptoms such as low libido, weight gain, high cholesterol, anxiousness, lethargy sleeping all the time. Yet I wrk out constantly 4-5 times a week lifting and Cardio. Wish me luck. Hopefully I can get the meds and loose these symptoms and loose some weight and get a good attitude in the process. I know you it's been a while since you wrote in this community forum but what's your prognosis. How are u? Update please?  Thanks!
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This is a very old thread and many of the previous posters are no longer active on the forum, so it's unlikely that zed72 will answer you.

I notice that you've posted your own thread, so hopefully, we can help out, there.
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I am female and have Hashimoto. 2 books I recommend reading, Stop The Thyroid Madness and Living Well with Hypothyroidism by Mary Shomon. Synthroid is not the all of meds. Read about dessicrated thyroid meds.
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Most of us are aware of desiccated meds and they aren't the "all" of meds either.
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I am not a male, but I come from a family with history of Hashimotos thyroiditis. I was googling males and low thyroids because I suspect because of some blood work of my 15yr old son that he might also have it. I am not sure its just his T4 Thyroxine that is low. All the rest came back as normal. my son also has aspergers. I wonder, see I suspect my thyroid started going out while I was pregnant with him. I wonder if that could have had an affect on his own thyroid developement. I would love to hear from any of you.
My son is pretty tall but a little over weight, he doesn't eat a whole lot but exercises very little. I became worried because he started getting stretch marks on him, quite a bit. However the just didn't seem like normal ones. He isn't really fat, maybe just grew fast. The doctors suspects maybe hormone problems. How many of you guys might have had problems as teenagers?
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I am male of Indian Origin age around 35...I have done my blood test and my TSH has come upto 6.51 uIU/ml and my FT4 is 1 ng/dl. Am i "HYPO" . Please guide me.
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Yes, it appears that you could be hypo. What is the reference range for the FT4?  Was there an FT3 test done?  If so, what was the result and range?

Are you currently on thyroid medication?  If, what medication/dosage?

What symptoms do you  have?

Do you know if you have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis?
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