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I am so curious to know what other people think about Iodine Deficieny.  Have any of your Doctors talked or tested anybody about it?  I have been reading every article I can find on the internet and am absolutely fascinated.  From my goiter "for no reason", to heart palpitations, to anxiety attacks, apparently can all be fixed if you check out to be iodine deficient, and can get prescription for iodine supplementation.

Just curious, and there is a fascinating article on the web at www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html

take care all!
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wifi (wireless) can cause hormone disruption and heart palpations, among other things, including cordless phones.  see  www.weepinitiative.org (talking to your doctor) and www.magdahavas.com
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You also need to be aware that the fluoride added to the toothpaste slows down the thyroid function.
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Good morning this came on my email today. No wonder everyone is having funny side effects most americans could be receiving such a chemical cocktail from their drinking water.
Quote...Yesterday, an article published by the Associated Press (AP) exploited the presence of several drugs in drinking water around the country.

The residue of several drugs including sex hormones, antibiotics, antidepressants, and other drugs have been found in the water at several water facilities across the country.
  
According to the AP, they tested a sampling of different waters that supply over 41 million Americans much of which had drug residue.  If the water supplies millions of people, this means it also supplies millions of pets.


Does this water pose a risk to cats?
Unquote....my questions is does it pose a risk to humans especially those on other medications or the old and frail....
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I have been following this line of conversation and you all have done some homework on the subject. Two things that I have come across 1) increase in thryriod problems in people and cats since the 1980's. Research for cats have shown it is 1) pop top cans - nasty additive sealant used under lids is a major suspect in cats 2) Amalgam fillings in  with mercury in humans. Both very high on the list for thyriod problems and a heap of other side effect list most of the problems I am reading on this website.
We are all taking excellent care of our health like myself and all of a sudden we are strickened with something like hypothryriod. Being so health consious we want to take control of our illness and fix it. Not like what is happening to us going through the medical profession. Normally we are having to maintain it for the rest of our lives not fix it. That is why we are all searching and trying for a cure. I have decided to take kelp tablets but only one a day. My research says that it is one of the natural ingredients that would assist and I must say that most of my borderline hypothyriodism has disappeared from the first week. But I was also low in iron and have taken a iron/calcium combination so that could have also assisted.
I like most of you use sea salt and no other salt in my cooking. Most of my food is from my own garden or hen house. I do not eat any bread but do have cearal with honey in the morning. I am mortified with what they are doing with bread. My theory is if something doesn't go moldy within a day or two I will not eat it.
I very seldom eat anything that doesn't look like it did when it was alive. No reconstituted meats, prepacked foods or tinned foods especially with pop top cans.
All I can say is there is a cause out there and we will one day find out what that is and when we do we can cure it. So keep digging....
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I know little about iodine deficiency, but I do think it's more common in food than we realize.  I just got my list of foods to avoid when on the low-iodine diet (pre-RAI), and it is substantial.  One of the biggest food categories to avoid is dairy, as well as all seafood.  I think you'd be surprised how easy it is to add iodine to your diet naturally - no (unregulated) supplements necessary.  

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The Japanese get their iodine thru food sources which I would suspect is much different than supplements.  Instead of taking iodine thru supplements just try eating a lot more fish.
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I am always so annoyed when MD's turn their collective noses up at supplementation when in medical school the course on nutrition is about 3 weeks long. The least the doctors could do was to look into some of the truly good research and some of the double blind studies done by reputable scientists and doctors.  I am truly sick of the arrogance.
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I should have said the Japanese ingest 100 times the iodine than we in the U.S because of their fish diet.
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I think it's a bit rediculous to be so afraid of taking more iodine when the Japanese ingest 100 times the amount that Americans and have far less hormonal, cancer, heart problems.
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125112 tn?1217273862
For whatever reason, I see the first post...but none thereafter.
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Yeah I had that yesterday too - today seems normal.  
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Since we are still on the topic.  I just got back from the Doctors, and he says I am completely healthy, my thyroid is completely normal.  So, I remind him to check my thyroid ultrasound (which he had forgotten about) and once found he said, "Oh you have a multinodular goiter."  So, I said, "how did that happen?"  He said, we don't know.  that's like a stomach cancer paitient asking why? we just don't know these things."  So I said, isn't a goiter caused by Iodine deficiency?  He said, "only in countries with poor nutrition and blah, blah, blah."  So I said, well can I be tested to see if I am iodine deficient, just in case?  He said, "no".  So I asked why not, and he said, there is no testing for it.  Now then, in CAM facilities (that are state regulated and registered) they can do an iodine deiciency test.  And there is a family practice Dr, in SC that them in his practice.  So, why aren't other Doctors.  Also, a Naturopathic Dr (Dr Brownstein) has found that in testing over 500 of his patients that 94% are iodine deficient.  These patients are American, living in the USA on the same soil that is supposedly so rich with iodine, and yet they are deficient in iodine.  Doesn't it make any of you wonder?  So, check out this website if you all have the time or want to.

http://www.iodine4health.com/ortho/flechas.htm

I have found a Dr that does iodine deficiency testing, but he is a little far away, so I am looking for someone closer, and it's not that easy to find.

By teh way borninquisitive, I absolutely love Alaska!!!  One of the most beautiful and spectacular places I have ever been!!!
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Iodine deficiency in the United States is rare because iodine is added to table salt. Most people get enough salt from the foods they eat, without adding salt to their meals. Iodine deficiency is a problem in other areas of the world.

1,000 mcg of iodine is in the average American fast food diet.

A 1/4 teaspoon of iodized table salt provides 95 micrograms of iodine. A 6-ounce portion of ocean fish provides 650 micrograms of iodine. Most people are able to meet the daily recommendations by eating seafood, iodized salt, and plants grown in iodine-rich soil. When buying salt make sure it is labeled "iodized."

Utilisation of iodine from different sources in pigs.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10849870&dopt=Abstract

Sources of dietary iodine: bread, cows' milk, and infant formula ...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15240625&dopt=Abstract

Iodine-rich foods
http://www.nnc.da.gov.ph/nutfacts/nutqty/iodine.html
Most of it comes from what we eat and drink. Seafood is usually a good source because the ocean contains considerable iodine. Freshwater fish reflect the iodine content of the water where they swim, which may be deficient. Cod, sea bass, haddock, and perch are good sources. Other foods vary tremendously in iodine content, depending on their source and what may have been added. Plants grown in iodine-deficient soil do not have much iodine, nor do meat or other products from animals fed on iodine-deficient plants. Because the breast concentrates iodine, dairy products are usually a good source, but only if the cows get enough iodine.

Iodine exposure can come from many other sources. Certain food colorings (e.g., erythrosine) contain iodine, although it is only partially bioavailable. Some iodine from skin disinfectants, such as povidone iodine, is absorbed and reaches the bloodstream. Certain health foods, such as some types of kelp, contain large amounts of iodine. Other sources are dyes used for contrast in X-ray procedures and medicines, such as Amiodarone (used for heart failure and abnormal heart rhythm). People also get iodine from its use in farm animals, for cleansing udders or as part of iodine-containing medicines. Iodate has been used as a bread stabilizer in commercial baking, although this practice is less common now. Many other environmental sources of iodine exist; most of them are unrecognized or unpublicized.

Many hidden sources of iodine make this a near impossible feat. Besides iodized salt, iodine is present in many medicines, such as the heart medicine amiodarone. Furthermore, iodine is a component of most multi-vitamin and mineral preparations. Iodine is used in the care and feeding of animals, as a stabilizer, and/or safety element in food processing, and it is a component of food dyes. The richest sources of iodine include kelp, seaweed, iodized salt, dairy products, fish, processed meats, pudding mixes, candies, frozen dinners,
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Iodized salt provides 76 micrograms (mcg) of iodine per gram of salt.

Normal daily recommended intakes in mcg for iodine for :

Adolescent and Males Adults 150 U.S. and 125
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173351 tn?1201214057

The following info is an excerpt from the 'International Council for the Control of Iodine Deficiency Disorder'

A teaspoon of iodine is all a person requires in a lifetime, but because iodine cannot be stored for long periods by the body, tiny amounts are needed regularly.

http://indorgs.virginia.edu/iccidd/aboutidd.htm
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173351 tn?1201214057
It's one teaspoon of iodine (not sure what the strength of the solution in this example) - not one teaspoon of iodised salt.

I saw a program which showed the machine which makes the salt iodised - basically the salt passes on a conveyor belt under a big spray head which adds the iodine to the salt.  (I'm sure there are different machines out there). The show was about the cretanism and iodised salt in Tibet.  In Tibet they have traditionally had very high rates of cretanism and goitre because the rural people mine and trade raw salt (which contains no iodine).  So even though it is proving difficult they are beginning to make a big difference to the quality of many people's lives.  Very hard though because esentially mining the raw salt is part of many rural people's livlihood.  A much bigger problem than just iodising salt.  

But it is sooo important if many hundreds of thousands of babies brains can be saved from cretanism - which is irreversible and results from low iodine in the mother while carrying the baby in the womb.  Cretans are severely disabled and do not have the same opportunity or quality of life they have the potential for if their mother just had access to iodine during pregnancy.  

The iodisation of salt and our varied diet has pretty much wiped out the occurance of cretanism in western countries.  I believe the higher the altitude you live the less access to foods that naturally contain iodine - eg. farther away from the sea.

THis is a little more info than you asked for but I Hope this clears it up
jenipeni
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125112 tn?1217273862
"The thing is - it is only a tiny tiny amount that is required for normal thyroid function over a lifetime. Just one teaspoon of iodine per person for a lifetime."

I just looked at the back of Morton's iodized salt and it reads 1/4 tsp is equivilent to 45% RDA. If this is recommended, how is it that only 1 tsp in one person's lifetime is sufficient for thyroid?

The number seems too small to be true. [?]
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Indeed! I had seen those pictures. Wow-ee!
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abl

(By the way, Dr Abraham used to teach and practice at UCLA Med School, so I believe him to be reputable)


Mmm... this does not mean much to me personally.  I'm do not mean to discredit the guy - but don't believe everything you read.  If the article was posted on the UCLA site or the UCLA site listed Dr Abraham as one of their staff then the story could be different.  But still how would you know if someone else was posting on this site under his name?  This info needs to be backed up.  If I said that I was a professor at a leading University would you just believe me? (obviously I'm not).

There is some sound info in this article BUT some is very iffy.  Again it's just my opionion but please dont rely on this article as a reputable source.

The other thing is that the article is not written according to usual medical scholarly/journal style.  It is normal to include references for supporting ideas and studies.  There is no proper reference list at all - and the recommended reading list doesn't count.

At uni we have to first critique any article we think about using in reference in an assigment/paper.  We are given a percentage of marks just based on the quality of our references used alone.  I wouldn't touch this article with a barge pole.

Also it is my understanding that unless the label clearly states IODISED SALT you can pretty much bet that it isn't.  Even though sea salt comes from the sea and the sea contains iodine - I believe it is not considered as iodised salt unless it has gone the process.  

EVERYONE use iodised salt!!! GET THE MESSAGE OUT - TELL YOUR FAMILY AND FREINDS!
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Let me set you straight, you did not make me mad. LOL!
I don't even know you. LOL!
And you are debating. LOL!
I believe that you are using the wrong word(s).
You should refere to, thyroid hormone deficient.

You are debating with the wrong person.
I am hyperthyroid - I have too much.

God bless the doctors and pharmaceutical companies, for a lot of people would be dead by now with out them.  
And I do thank God everyday, for many things.

Regards,
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Did you see these - Scroll 1/4 ways down
http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/thyroid.htm

This is what thyroid nodule/goiter looks like raw.  I have lots of legit site but these two were faster to get the link too.
http://escuela.med.puc.cl/paginas/Cursos/tercero/AnatomiaPatologica/Imagenes_AP/patologia921-927.html

Good reasons too make sure our thyroids are taken care of
proprly.
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173351 tn?1201214057
Can I offer another opinion in answer to this question?

If we are getting so much iodine in our diets, then how come people with thyroid problems are iodine deficient?

We all eat such different diets to one another.  Especially with the obesity epidemic of western countries, it seems a lot of people are eating more and more junk food which is nearly always low in nutrient value.  Also some people grow their own vegetables in their back-yard in soil which may be iodine deficient (tip- get seaweed to use as a soil conditioner/mulch).

Some countries have/are moving to only allow iodised salt to be used.  The iodisation of salt has been found as the most effective way to dose and disperse iodine to the general population.  The thing is - it is only a tiny tiny amount that is required for normal thyroid function over a lifetime.  Just one teaspoon of iodine per person for a lifetime.  That is sooo small!!!

I live in Australia so I don't know what it's like where you live but here there might be one or two iodised salts on the shelf at the supermarket - compared to 20 or more other salts which are not iodised.  Most commercially prepared foods here do not contain iodine either.

I appreciate your optimism for finding a cure for all of us and life's ails but I'm afraid it is just too simplistic that their is only one cause for all thyroid and other problems.  And indeed it is an incredible stretch to say that it is also responsible for all breast cancers, autism, and heart palpitations.  

If you do some research into cancers it has been proven that even the same type of cancer, for example breast cancer has different variations, different evolutions/stimulating factors (eg. estrogen) and causes.  What causes each of these variables is the million dollar question.  It has been proven though that there is not just one cause.

In the study you mention about mice and breast cancer, did it mention any adverse effects on the mice due to increased iodine levels?  It has been proven that high iodine levels are also as bad for you as low levels.  Another case of case of; does the risk and potential side effects outweight the benefit?   I don't know about you but I wouldn't be putting my hand up to be the guinea pig for the human trials - if it gets that far.

I in my final year training as a nurse - all my biology/anatomy and physiology text books say that the thyroid gland is the only part of the body to make use of iodine (although it is absorbed and distributed throughout the bloodstream).  I have confirmed this in conversations by email with one of Australia's leading endocrinologists who deals with iodine deficiency disorder all the time.  

This is what I mean about being careful where you get your information from - it is incorrect that any other part of the body (apart from your thyroid gland) actually uses iodine.

It is also common knowledge that when used topically (on the skin) iodine has excellent anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties - hence this is why surgeons use it as a skin preparation in surgery.  

You are right something has happened... our lives now are very different to our forfathers.  We have so many more chemicals and exposure to much higher levels of psychological stress.  But even before all that they still got cancers and other conditions, many of which went undetected.  Who can say what is the cause of it all?  If there was only one cause it would have been quite apparent and would have been detected before now.

When I have an opinion I am happy to go back and forth and talk about (or debate) such things.  

Don't lose that optimism!!!
CHeers!
jenipeni
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173351 tn?1201214057
Don't go overboard using the iodised salt like using more than you would normally (or using supplements which contain iodine/kelp)

sorry - pressed post before I meant to!!
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Your story sounds kinda similar to mine - goitre first detected around 17-18 years.  Always normal labs.  Told all that could be done was monitor it.  10 years later (Nov 06) I had TT for obstructive multinodular goitre becasue it continued to grow.

Have you looked into the reasearch that thyroxine supplementation with early goitre can also reduce size?  Studies show that goitre growth rates are usually between 5-10% per year.  But not everyone fits in the normal case scenario's - lucky me!  But being young you have a long time to keep monitoring it, which is a frustrating thing.  

Now I am looking to the future just like you, making sure I do everything I should for a healthy pregnancy (in the future - not quite ready yet).  It is very important we get increased requriements of iodine during pregnancy for the baby and it's developing thyroid.  Deficiency during pregnancy results in cretanism which is irreversible and very sad (also associated with low IQ) - google it.  I have found the amount of iodine recommended for pregnancy varies considerably between sources, so I wont quote any.

Sounds like you are doing everything else possible under the sun (or just about) to keep fit and healthy!  Well done!

When it comes to the heart and what sets heart rate, it is much more complicated than thyroid alone - good thing your doctor has looked into other causes.  

Heart rate is affected by the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems; neurotransmitters of which are adrenaline and acetylcholine, electrolyes; cheifly calcium, sodium and potassium, Blood volume or lack therof, body temperature, gender, exercise, physiological health of the heart muscles and valves.... the lists goes on.

THis is what my Anatomy & Physiology book says on thyroxine and heart rate;
"Thyroxine is a thyroid gland hormone that increases metabolic rate and body heat production.  When released in large quantities, it causes a slower but more sustained increase in heart rate than that caused by adrenaline.  Because thyroxine also enhances the effect of adrenaline on the heart, chronically hyperthyroid individuals may develop a weakened heart."

Even though it doesn't explain your palpitations I thought you might find that interesting.

Good that you found that extra info on Dr Abraham and Dr Donald W Miller, Jr.   In the end it's up to you if you want to go with their info!

Did you ever have blood tests for autoimmune thyroid antibodies?  Might be an idea.  Even if you are positive for antibodies though - they still only treat you based on the thyroid function test results.

Cheers
Jenipeni

  
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