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Wife Has Tremors Most of the Day
My 67- year-old wife had been in a depression for several years after 4 family deaths. She had been the caregiver for all of them. She had recovered to about 80% of her normal self. BUT After taking Neuroscience supplements including Calm CP, Adrecor, and Kavinace from a Florida doctor for 2 months she discontinued the supplements because her recovery had stopped cold and her depression symptoms came back much worse than ever and have continued for about 5 months. Her Psychiatrist put her on Effexor XR, Mirtazapine, Amour Thyroid, Ridilyn, and Seroquil but there has been no positive change. She has several depression symptoms but my biggest concerns: She has Tremors any time she moves and at times can't stand up on her own and sometimes blacks out for a few seconds. She can't eat regular foods only Yogurt, Pudding, Cottage Cheese, and Protein Milk Shakes. She is very weak. My question: Her doctors are trying different meds and different doses. Hopefully they can come with some answers soon. Do any of the Meds I've mentioned standout as ones that might be the cause of her tremorsl Any ideas and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. She is really suffering. Thanks, B.B. From Michigan
Hi there have her docs try some psych meds on her.I used to have those same symptoms. Try vandalism we 150 mg n zanex .50 mg n see if that helps
I have met Bruce Lipton in person, in conferences, have attended one of his
lectures and I also have 2 of his books, "The Biology of Belief" and "The
Wisdom of Your Cells".
The next one I'm buying is "Honeymoon Effect".
Truly, a brilliant man!
lectures and I also have 2 of his books, "The Biology of Belief" and "The
Wisdom of Your Cells".
The next one I'm buying is "Honeymoon Effect".
Truly, a brilliant man!
As far as the value of an "energy psychotherapy", I would suggest that anyone with an interest read the excellent book "The Biology of Belief" by Dr. Bruce Lipton.
Quite obviously my intent was not to ridicule anyone. I do believe I have a moral obligation to direct anyone away from appropriate medical treatment for what I do consider (in my own opinion) to represent a less-than-satisfactory option. I do have an obligation to direct anyone away from a treatment that may endanger their lives by preventing them from using protocols that meet a scientific standard.
The literature on Armour products is well-known, and the side-effects have been studied for a hundred years. The commercial alternative have retained the same brand name and yet the compositions have been altered several times over the years. I do not want to state anything unfavorably against the drug company manufacturing the prime alternative. They had many problems in the past, but seem to have their act in order. The regulatory history of the Armour alternatives are on the FDA site.
I did not comment on the methodology used to determine whether or not one requires a thyroid supplement.
The literature on Armour products is well-known, and the side-effects have been studied for a hundred years. The commercial alternative have retained the same brand name and yet the compositions have been altered several times over the years. I do not want to state anything unfavorably against the drug company manufacturing the prime alternative. They had many problems in the past, but seem to have their act in order. The regulatory history of the Armour alternatives are on the FDA site.
I did not comment on the methodology used to determine whether or not one requires a thyroid supplement.
I'm quite surprised with some of your comments coming from you,
a senior medhelp member of eight years.
It is inappropriate to take statements out of context, and when
a reference is made like "Armour supplement won't work properly"
(do you believe for a minute that I have no idea what Armour is, or how the adrenals down-regulate thyroid function in low adrenal function or how conventional serum testing does not necessarily indicate tissue thyroid function?)
or to comment negatively on energy psychotherapy as being "quack, quack", as this comment goes beyond misinformation, ignorance, lack of knowledge or just expressing an opinion.
It indicates an intention to ridicule and disrespect fellow members, which is NOT an acceptable behavior on this forum.
Should you have specific knowledge of pertinent adrenal and thyroid issues and testing in regards to Armour supplementation, please support your opinion with valid sensible arguments and keep malicious or ill-intentioned remarks out of this forum
As for your comments on Energy Psychotherapy, they definitely do not constitute an opinion, so I will leave you with this quote:
" It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so"
---Mark Twain
a senior medhelp member of eight years.
It is inappropriate to take statements out of context, and when
a reference is made like "Armour supplement won't work properly"
(do you believe for a minute that I have no idea what Armour is, or how the adrenals down-regulate thyroid function in low adrenal function or how conventional serum testing does not necessarily indicate tissue thyroid function?)
or to comment negatively on energy psychotherapy as being "quack, quack", as this comment goes beyond misinformation, ignorance, lack of knowledge or just expressing an opinion.
It indicates an intention to ridicule and disrespect fellow members, which is NOT an acceptable behavior on this forum.
Should you have specific knowledge of pertinent adrenal and thyroid issues and testing in regards to Armour supplementation, please support your opinion with valid sensible arguments and keep malicious or ill-intentioned remarks out of this forum
As for your comments on Energy Psychotherapy, they definitely do not constitute an opinion, so I will leave you with this quote:
" It ain't what you don't know that gets you in trouble.
It's what you know for sure that just ain't so"
---Mark Twain
The medications prescribed can cause tremors.
That being said she has a number of symptoms and the history provided is not adequate to even take a guess at what is going on. I suspect there are several things at once.
My two cents is to get her off all the medications except the thyroid med, which is prescribed by an endochronologist after blood tests. I cannot provide advice on "weaning".
She also needs a neurological work-up and evaluation. The "fainting" episodes bother me. They are sometimes cardiogenic in etiology, but dehydration and inappropriate contraction of the muscles surrounding the blood vessels are sometimes the problem.
It is not appropriate to comment on the Armour supplement, and equally inappropriate to state "it won't work properly". Armour Thyroid has been around for generations, but it requires an attentive physician to monitor and obtain the correct dosing. In general the natural thyroid allegedly works better, but it is more difficult to obtain consistent standardized dosing. That seems to sum up the arguments pro and con between the two.
As for finding an "Energy Psychotherapist", the work "Quack" comes to mind. In fact the words "Quack, quack" are even better.
It is difficult to find an attentive physician. In addition most doctors only want to hear "one problem" per visit. She has a constellation of issues. I would suggest you obtain a copy of the book "How Doctor's Think" by Dr. Jerome Groopman.
A good work-up from a nutritionally-oriented physician would seem to be in order, as "square one".
That being said she has a number of symptoms and the history provided is not adequate to even take a guess at what is going on. I suspect there are several things at once.
My two cents is to get her off all the medications except the thyroid med, which is prescribed by an endochronologist after blood tests. I cannot provide advice on "weaning".
She also needs a neurological work-up and evaluation. The "fainting" episodes bother me. They are sometimes cardiogenic in etiology, but dehydration and inappropriate contraction of the muscles surrounding the blood vessels are sometimes the problem.
It is not appropriate to comment on the Armour supplement, and equally inappropriate to state "it won't work properly". Armour Thyroid has been around for generations, but it requires an attentive physician to monitor and obtain the correct dosing. In general the natural thyroid allegedly works better, but it is more difficult to obtain consistent standardized dosing. That seems to sum up the arguments pro and con between the two.
As for finding an "Energy Psychotherapist", the work "Quack" comes to mind. In fact the words "Quack, quack" are even better.
It is difficult to find an attentive physician. In addition most doctors only want to hear "one problem" per visit. She has a constellation of issues. I would suggest you obtain a copy of the book "How Doctor's Think" by Dr. Jerome Groopman.
A good work-up from a nutritionally-oriented physician would seem to be in order, as "square one".
HI Bobbyand I'm sorry about all the challenges you and your wife are going through at this stage of your lives.
I really don't know where to start, but one thing for sure:
This medical course she's on is borderline disastrous!
Her psych and antidepressant meds have numerous possible side -effects
including tremors and don't do a single thing to correct anything!
If I were to do a risk- benefit drug assessment, I 'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the risk likely outweighs the benefits by a big margin.
The problem is that she cannot get off these meds easily and it would take a knowledgeable specialist to help her with this.
Psychiatrists sit close to the top of the medical hierarchy and they could be a challenge to communicate effectively regarding anyone's well-being, your wife's well-being in this case.
There's also a possible adverse -moderate to major- interaction of these meds, while taken at the same time.
IIt is quite common that doctors and pharmacists, are guilty of not checking this carefully anymore!!! It takes less than one minute for Pete's sake and if you wish to have me do it, I would need the exact name including the initials or numbers that sometimes follow the name and the strength(if listed) of each medication she is or was on at the same time!
Armour on its own is contra-indicated when hypothyroidism is secondary to
to hypoadrenalism( which the Florida doctor tried to address) unless it is a very small dose while the adrenal function is being treated.
It takes up to 2 years of continuous therapy ongoing monitoring and tweaking dosages of adrenal supplements for mid to advanced stage hypoadrenalism to get corrected.
The prolonged grieving, the devastation from the loss of loved ones, caused
a huge amount of stress, which went unresolved for sometime.
This in turn caused elevated cortisol to deal with the stress, which could not be sustained indefinitely by the adrenals, so the cortisol production started to suffer and eventually became impaired, resulting in low cortisol.
This is called adrenal fatigue, which is not officially recognized by conventional medicine, unless it becomes a complete adrenal crisis!
In adrenal fatigue the adrenals put the body in a low energy state, for adrenal recovery, by forcing a low thyroid environment to achieve this!
And that's why Armour wouldn't work properly in this case.
Both low thyroid and low adrenal function come with a huge number of symptoms, including fatigue, low energy, G/I and digestive issues,
decreased immunity, insomnia, weakness, depression, anxiety and on and on.
So my opinion is before any serious organ involvement takes place,
A.Get somebody knowledgeable to help her wean off her psyche meds
B Find a Functional Medicine or Naturopathic Doctor who has
experience in Holistic Endocrinology to help her with her adrenal and thyroid issues and to rebalance her immune system
C. Find an Energy Psychotherapist to help her with her grief/emotions/depression issues. This is as important as the first 2.
Energy Psychotherapy to my opinion works faster and better than any other therapy.
I hope this helps, however, my suggestions and comments are not intended to replace medical advice.
Best wishes to you and your wife.
Niko
I really don't know where to start, but one thing for sure:
This medical course she's on is borderline disastrous!
Her psych and antidepressant meds have numerous possible side -effects
including tremors and don't do a single thing to correct anything!
If I were to do a risk- benefit drug assessment, I 'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the risk likely outweighs the benefits by a big margin.
The problem is that she cannot get off these meds easily and it would take a knowledgeable specialist to help her with this.
Psychiatrists sit close to the top of the medical hierarchy and they could be a challenge to communicate effectively regarding anyone's well-being, your wife's well-being in this case.
There's also a possible adverse -moderate to major- interaction of these meds, while taken at the same time.
IIt is quite common that doctors and pharmacists, are guilty of not checking this carefully anymore!!! It takes less than one minute for Pete's sake and if you wish to have me do it, I would need the exact name including the initials or numbers that sometimes follow the name and the strength(if listed) of each medication she is or was on at the same time!
Armour on its own is contra-indicated when hypothyroidism is secondary to
to hypoadrenalism( which the Florida doctor tried to address) unless it is a very small dose while the adrenal function is being treated.
It takes up to 2 years of continuous therapy ongoing monitoring and tweaking dosages of adrenal supplements for mid to advanced stage hypoadrenalism to get corrected.
The prolonged grieving, the devastation from the loss of loved ones, caused
a huge amount of stress, which went unresolved for sometime.
This in turn caused elevated cortisol to deal with the stress, which could not be sustained indefinitely by the adrenals, so the cortisol production started to suffer and eventually became impaired, resulting in low cortisol.
This is called adrenal fatigue, which is not officially recognized by conventional medicine, unless it becomes a complete adrenal crisis!
In adrenal fatigue the adrenals put the body in a low energy state, for adrenal recovery, by forcing a low thyroid environment to achieve this!
And that's why Armour wouldn't work properly in this case.
Both low thyroid and low adrenal function come with a huge number of symptoms, including fatigue, low energy, G/I and digestive issues,
decreased immunity, insomnia, weakness, depression, anxiety and on and on.
So my opinion is before any serious organ involvement takes place,
A.Get somebody knowledgeable to help her wean off her psyche meds
B Find a Functional Medicine or Naturopathic Doctor who has
experience in Holistic Endocrinology to help her with her adrenal and thyroid issues and to rebalance her immune system
C. Find an Energy Psychotherapist to help her with her grief/emotions/depression issues. This is as important as the first 2.
Energy Psychotherapy to my opinion works faster and better than any other therapy.
I hope this helps, however, my suggestions and comments are not intended to replace medical advice.
Best wishes to you and your wife.
Niko
I am 52 and was having similar issues I was diagnosed with a migraine that you don't experience pain with. It is called vestibular migraine. I also had problems with some medication for PTSD that are similar in my understanding to medication to treat depression. I wish you and your wife well take care
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