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it means that your Chlamydia goes into a recessive state by DNA combination with host cells, therefore does not show up on the tests while combination occurs, therefore the test can show up negative at the wrong time, or positive at the wrong time because the test is only looking for specific DNA and not new DNA strains. That's why I had 17 tests that showed negative, and my wife had 3 tests that showed negative, since then, they've looked for my DNA strain of Chlamydia and found it in her, which is causing her cervical irritation.
guys read this, it's about prostatitis from chlamydia and how exercise might help circulate blood to the prostate gland with the antibiotics
So, I started using the OJ/Garlic/Celery today and it's almost unbearable. Is there any way I could blend up celery and OJ and take a garlic pill? I'm not sure if I'm adding too much Garlic to the liter of OJ. I'm putting in about a clove per liter and two sticks of celery, but my god, it's making me so nauseated. I'll continue doing it either way and update frequently with the results.
keep doing it for two weeks, then go get yourself tested, you can put in 3 large cloves instead of the 5 large ones i put in at first, and then strengthen it to five. This will help you get a positive test...which will convince the urologist to help you.
They found YOUR DNA strain of Chlamydia in your wife? WHAT???
OOHHH MYYY GODDD!!! So much technical information, my brain can't grasp it all.
I thought the way to test for this was to drink the juice mix + yogurt for 2-3 weeks which would equal to penis pus which would yield a positive Chlamydia result???
you still didn't answer my question on whether you're cured or not.
Also, you know how you were trying to track that person who was cured by way of injecting something into his prostrate. Well apparently I found out that they inject antibiotics into the prostrate so as to soak the prostrate to kill all the bacteria. I guess in all of our case, we all had Chlamydia for so long that that it's infiltrated into all of our genital organs and so it needs a longer and more advanced antibiotic treatment. If we had tested positive for Chlamydia years ago this wouldn't have happened.
I never got to thank you rbaker765 for steering us in the right direction. Thank you. Guys, most likely we have Prostatitis but more specifically Prostatitis Chlamydia.
I think we need to start up a site or a blog or even a closed facebook group to help eachother.
So a garlic pill isn't an option? 3 cloves per liter might not be too bad, but if I can take a pill I would sooner do that. I'm going to try to get ahold of a Urologist tomorrow. I'll continue drinking this mixture until I can convince them it is Chlamydia Biofilm.
I am semi-cured, my meatus has gone to normal, however, the chlamydia is present in the cells and ready to remultiply when given the chance, the incubation period for gram combination is 2 weeks, I am into 4 days of this reincubation period - and I can see some reddening returning on the meatus....**** this parasite... I'm running out of antibiotics at this late stage and need to reload my stocks for the next 5 weeks...... nothing to write home about yet.... still fighting it.
a garlic pill isn't an option, it's talc with garlic extract, not real natural antibiotic garlic.
This will interest you. read all of it. courtesy of user: unbelievable17.
He insists that these short courses kill only active bacteria—not those that hide. He thinks this low-lying chlamydia might be inflaming. His treatment is long enough, he says, that when the cells finally become active and erupt, antibiotics are still in his patients' systems. The steroid in the lavages and prostate antibiotics suppresses the immune system and activates the bacteria. "That's the trick," he says. "I'm waking up the dormant chlamydia. The steroids tease them out, and the antibiotics that are already in there kill them."
Read more: Infertility and Miscarriage Statistics - Attila Toth's Controversial Methods - ELLE.com - ELLE
I agree with you 100% that you have to continue taking the antibiotics until the bacteria is eradicated. The mistake that Urologists/Doctors do is they give you a short course of antibiotics, and let me tell you even a month of antibiotics is short from what I've read. Like rbaker765 said, this bacteria is nasty.
I got a question rbaker765. What tests should be done to check during the treatment process to see if the bacteria is eradicated or not? Should we go based on symptoms or should we get tested and what tests should we be doing to see if we're cured or not. Help us out with the test names.
1)Nucleic acid amplification tests (NAAT) = PCR
2)DNA probe test
please insist they do the NAAT/PCR test, yes it's expensive. this is always skipped on first visit to a urologist due to cost.
Urology Clinics are currently not equipped with the ability to specify what type of Chlamydia you have.
The reason why we cannot get cured is:
1) doctors do not risk their licenses so they give you the minimal antibiotic requirement (this came from my urologist)
2) it is costly to treat complex cases, difficult, risky, it is easier to place a blanket argument of 'chronic' or 'pernicious' 'psychological' 'Dermatitis' (as per my mother, a radiologist)
3) They are equipping clinics with new DNA/RNA machines in the next 5years to begin treating 'typography' of Chlamydia strains... you can either do what I did (befriend a laboratory technician), or, failing that, test positive for Chlamydia after the NAAT molecular testing method and then culture.... without a laboratory sample examination at a professional laboratory you won't find out what type you have...as far as all the urologists i've met so far they are concerned it is 'prostatitis' and uncurable/chronic.They won't do these tests for every patient because it costs a lot of money and time. They did them for me because my wife is pregnant, otherwise, they block you off.
you need to make friends with a laboratory technician and get your sample RNA-analyzed to find out which strain you have...if that isn't possible, then you have to rely on a blind treatment, 6-8 week course and do not stop after symptoms relieve, the hospital i go to gets its equipment from the states every year under a government contract - cannot tell me 'what type' of chlamydia I have. -it's just chlamydia- they said. So I had to take a sample across the hall to the laboratory to ask the technician to culture what 'type' of chlamydia this was for the tests i mentioned above.
I've read your last 2 posts over and over again trying to understand but it's too technical for me.
The tests that you mentioned, how are they carried out on us? Urine?swab?Blood?
Is NAAT & PCR the same?
I've read that NAAT is better than the DNA probe test, than why do the DNA probe test?
What is the Culture test? is it our sample that is taken to a lab and checked to see if Chlamydia grows after several days?
Why didn't you tell us all these fine details to us before. So:
1. Test positive for Chlamydia.
2. Find out which type of Chlamydia it is. (how do we find this out?)
3. Start treatment but make sure treatment is long and keep doing the tests to make sure you're cured.
I know you're going to add things that we don't know. That's why I keep saying, tell us in a simple guide what we should do to get tested in an easy laymen's term and treatments. Please help us out too.
Weren't you trying to track down someone on this forum who injected something into his prostrate that got cured. Well there it is. What you need is not so much of oral antibiotics but antibiotic injections into your prostrate.
I mean you should know about this since you posted Attila Toth. He treats Prostatitis Chlamydia through antibiotic injections into the prostrate.
is this the missing link that we're all missing?
So does it matter which type of Chlamydia serovar we have?
you know that feeling you used to get, before you got this chlamydia strain, waking up fresh in the morning without pains in your side or meatus swollen?
I got that this morning.
5 days ago I took azythromycin 4* 250mg, and 3 days ago I did the same again, while I don't advise you do this, the difference is, i got rid of all my urethritis. Now I still have pylonephritis / pain in my upper urinary tract, and I am all out of azythromycin and nearly out of moxifloxicin.... I am in a situation now...where I need to get these two antibiotics in the next 3-5 days...and in a situation where I believe prolonged aggressive antibiotic WORKS.
I was trying to track him down, and you found the answer! thank you!
If you could try to to find out which antibiotics are injected into the prostate and whether this can be done transurethrally - without a needle (the needle destroys several layers upon entering the prostate, it is such a sensitive procedure so many things can go wrong - causing prostate gland necrosis), the prostate layers are so neurosensitive that any irritation can cause prostate tissue infection...this is why I believe in the transurethral method and not necessarily prostate injection method, I'm sure both work, but I'd rather not subject my prostate to more inflammation and sepsis from 30 needle injections....
I have been working things out step by step since my diagnosis of anxiety.
so far, I stumbled across a solution for me and shared it.
It is quite difficult to share everything at once, I am slowly informing of the process that works for me - which takes time to see (weeks).
The tests that you mentioned, how are they carried out on us? Urine?swab?Blood?
The tests are Urine -_-_-_- and invasive urethral for pus test.
Is NAAT & PCR the same? -> No, PCR is one type of NAAT test, there are several tests that we can use if PCR tests do not work but they are very time consuming and might not work as reliably as PCR.
I've read that NAAT is better than the DNA probe test, than why do the DNA probe test?
to get a double positive from both the DNA probe test and PCR test, is to get your urologist on your side. (just in case).
What is the Culture test? is it our sample that is taken to a lab and checked to see if Chlamydia grows after several days?
-> it is a sample that is placed either on a slide or dish for 7 day analysis, it has a type of protein biogen added to it to accelerate mutation, then it is killed by introducing an antibiotic, whichever antibiotic works is the one you should be taking 6-8 weeks of.
Why didn't you tell us all these fine details to us before.
because I am working things out as I go along using common medical know-how to solve one problem at a time, the process of elimination takes weeks because of chlamydia's incubation period (sorry) i'll try and be more thorough, there's so much to write.
1. Test positive for Chlamydia. (yes)
2. Find out which type of Chlamydia it is. (how do we find this out? you find a specialist laboratory in epidemiology at a hospital or university )
3. Start treatment but make sure treatment is long and keep doing the tests to make sure you're cured. (yes).
I know you're going to add things that we don't know. That's why I keep saying, tell us in a simple guide what we should do to get tested in an easy laymen's term and treatments. Please help us out too.
->I will do so once I am cured. So far, this is what got me nearly out of this.
just bear in mind that you need to take 2 antibiotics at once, when you go to your urologist, do-what-you-have-to to get TWO.
DO NOT TAKE ONE ANTIBIOTIC TAKE TWO, because if you have the chlamydia strain I have, it is a mutogenesis type so it can swap DNA and become a new strain that is resistant to one antibiotic, but not two at once.
because if you don't, you will end up with a pathogen that is resistant to ALL antibiotics, and we have a very limited number of them left now. in my case, 3.
this site is loading very slowly now due to the posts i've made. (sorry) just trying to help.
I'm going to list the antibiotics that kill chlamydia in order. I'll tell you which ones I took.
doxycycline (16 weeks) (yes)
oxifloxicin - 2wk course (yes)
moxifloxicin 6 wk course (no)
ciprofloxicin (2wk course) yes (caused bad arthritis in joints)
azythromycin (3 wk course) yes
trimothoprim (3 week course) yes
lymecycline (6 wk course) no.
rifampin (2 wks) no
that's the exhaustive list.
here is the prescription guidelines. as you see. the list compared from above and the urologist's guidelines
Went to urologist for cystoscopy, not as bad as i thought.
No strictures or blockages were found.
Next appointment will be with the primary on thursday, at which that time i will get a referal to the infectious disease specialist at a nearby major hospital,
I did ask my urologist if this was a strain of chlamidia, would it have been possible the tests would not have picked it up. He repsonded, that the prescriptions i have taken would have cleared the infection.
I am staying positive and will take the next step.
I never got a chance to tell my story, so I'l start off with my symptoms:
pinching meatus pain
needle poking meatus pain
irritation of meatus on boxers
cuts on upper and lower opening of pee hole
one side of meatus more raised than other
tiny peeling skin on meatus(if I peel, the skin underneath is pink and hurts)
dull burning feeling on the tip of penis
The last time I had sex was with my ex wife 6 years ago. So why all of these symptoms? These symptoms came on after I masturbated 2 times in a day. I used a plastic **** ring to delay the ejaculation as I was practicing to delay the ejaculation. But what happened was I ejaculated with the **** ring and as soon as this happened it hurt as I was rushing to get the plastic rock ring off, it took a while but I managed to take it off. I'm thinking I might
have damaged a nerve perhaps as the plastic **** ring was too tight and
I couldn't take it off in time to ejaculate.
I never had problems during my relationship with my wife for 5 years
and after we broke up I never had sex and I masturbated enough times but never had anything like this. But come to think of it, my wife could have gotten pregnant during our relationship but she didn't, it could be Chlamydia in that perhaps it caused epididymitis and infertility and that's why she didn't get pregnant.
I believe it's either nerve damage/block OR Prostatitis(need to know which type of bacteria that's causing it, most likely Chlamydia)
What do you think rbaker? can an ultrasound detect epididymitis?
today, I came back from the urologist empty handed, I also came back from the GP empty handed. Things are not looking too good - I am so close to getting over this slippery slope - yet I was given nothing..... I could have told them my prostate was sprouting alien eggs inside and they still would shrug.
I have ordered my antibiotics online with an online prescription....
now I've ordered:
I will let you know how things progress.I am almost out, and I don't plan on relapsing just now, with a normal meatus and normal post-ejaculatory, this slight burning in my right side and prostate will go or I go with it. I am not going to live the rest of my life this way like they suggested I do today.
I hope you cure it by taking the antibiotics for a longer course but I'm doubtful as I come across so many failed stories like yours on the net. Long course of antibiotics will only work if you had caught this Chlamydia recently and the bacteria didn't spread much. But you and I and others, it's become chronic and taking antibiotics for a longer period is not going to work, I'm saying this based on what other people have said and based on what prostatitis web sites are saying. But I really hope they're wrong and I hope it works for you.
The only thing that works according to personal success stories and prostatitis websites is antibiotic injection into the prostate. But it has to be the right type of antibiotics, this is crucial, right type means, one needs to know what kind of bacteria is causing the Proctatitis and in this case rbaker765, at least you know yours. I read what you said about using needles and it's bad side effects and that's why I googled syringe injections but nothing comes up. Some treatment centers use thick needles and some use thin needles like the clinic in China. How else can you get those antibiotics into the prostate without a needle.
Guys, listen to rbaker he's dead on what's causing our problems. It's Prostatitis ______. Notice I left a space after Prostatitis. It's because you guys need to know what kind of Prostatitis, what is causing it so as to know what kind of antibiotics to use to treat it. rbaker found out his, his is Chlamydia serovar type D. We can all agree this is Prostatitis, but now we have to find out which type so we can start treatment.
no my dear friend. no. this is curable. We've been taking the wrong antibiotics due to illiterate urologists who nearly dropped out of med school...and don't want to risk their licenses getting revoked for giving more than a single dose of antibiotics. (we should blame the red tape or health and safety standards of TEVA etc.).
This is complicated Chlamydia ^, it is treated by lymecycline for 7 days with an interval of 10 days and a further 7 days. I am going to follow the dose with azythromycin and report to you when I am better.
i got them from oral years ago, with no current testing for this type of strain, you can best be sure this will be a huge epidemic in the coming years.
And i will be getting my referal this thursday to see a infectious disease specialist (IDS).
Playing the guesssing game with medications by taking them over and over again is not good. Your body grows a resistance for them and even if you would normally be able to use them in conjuction with another prescription, it will have no effect.
I wil be talking to the IDS on various strains that they usually do not test for and ones that the medications i have taken do not cure.
I will let you know how i make out.
"This is complicated Chlamydia ^, it is treated by lymecycline for 7 days with an interval of 10 days and a further 7 days. I am going to follow the dose with azythromycin and report to you when I am better."
Please let me know how you make out with this?
Also, if you did have complicated chlamydia/prostatitus, wouldn't you show a positive reading on the chlamydia tests you took?
I showed 4 positive readings. I had 17 negative readings before this because the chlamydia was heterotypic in state. Therefore did not show up on the PCR unless they were looking for it.
My wife has recently showed 2 positive readings, and had 5 negative readings beforehand.
Complicated Chlamydia because it's been 2years and 2 months and my ureter and prostate are both severely infected still and require more antibiotics. My urethra is now nearly normal, and my pain is receding. I receive the antibiotics tomorrow to continue. I will be free from this soon.
it was PCR but they had to liaise with the lab department to know what they were looking for to compare the findings from the lab with their findings on the slide - this was because I had a urologist who was convinced I had chlamydia that was not showing up, otherwise the test would've been negative. This was used for 9 maybe 10 of the tests.
The technician needed a sample that showed inhibitory functions instead of reactive functions in the sample to apply the right causative agent to the sample. This is something the laboratory technician knows about.
thanks for the update, please keep us posted as we all seem to be in the same boat with no answers.
Hopefully we will overcome this.
Any info i can bring with me to the specialist is a plus.
What strain of chlamydia did they say you had? and was is complicated and if so, do you know what is was complicated with?
can't you get IV antibiotics into the prostate from the urethra?
How about a prostate massage to drain it. I've read that once you drain the prostate via massage and take oral antibiotics you can be cured.
But you were talking about syringe injections, how is it done, as I can't find anything on the net related to syringe injections.
Hi turkoporto. Are you sure that the antibiotics must be injected directly to the prostate?
Chronic bacterial prostatitis (CBP) is characterized by intense clinical symptoms, frequent relapse episodes and poor quality of life. Aggressive antibacterial therapy is warranted to eradicate the causative pathogens and to achieve a permanent cure. We administered a "switch-therapy" protocol to 30 patients showing severe CBP symptoms and two or more relapse episodes in the previous 12 months. Patients received intravenous azithromycin (500 mg/day) and ciprofloxacin (800 mg/day) for 3 days, followed by oral ciprofloxacin (1 g/day) for 25 days.Twenty-seven (90%) patients showed pathogen eradication at test-of-cure (TOC) visit. Five cases of infection relapse were detected at follow-up. At the TOC visit, 25 patients (83%) showed mild/absent symptoms, measured with the NIH-chronic prostatitis symptom index.These results indicate the efficacy of a "switch-therapy" protocol, based on combined azithromycin and ciprofloxacin. Comparative studies on larger CBP patient populations are warranted to confirm these encouraging results.
THE REAL PROBLEM here is the reduced fertility or infertility caused by the long period infection.
look what I got
Today, I took 1 x lymecycline
the cipro should help with the prostate infection, the azythro helped with the pain in my ureter, the lymecycline is supposed to eradicate complicated chlamydia in 14 days from now, the other two I think I developed some resistance to.
I have some strong burning in my side and prostate 2hrs later. seems like it's working. I do not recommend anyone do this 'blind' method but, I am 1/4 snackbarian (lebanese skyscreamer) so I've got the nucking futs to go forwards with this without a urologist present. Also, my urologist bailed on me after 1gram of azythromycin so I'm alone on this. If I develop arrythmia or severe sickness nausea I have a hospital nearby, this is insane etc...
don't try this at home. If I get better I will let you know. If I don't let you know, then this was the wrong thing to do.
I have a severe burning near my meatus, and a severe burning in my ureter. Classing this burning I would say like pressing a hot water bottle to both areas (yes it stings).
So far, a tingling sensation in my prostate.
I will be repeating my dose of cipro (500mg) and lymecycline (500mg) tonight, I will continue to do so every day for the next 25 days. Today is 22/01/2014, This course of (1gram per day (split evenly) of lymecycline + cipro) will continue), I will be finishing a 5 day course of azythromycine ~ 500mg/day with the other antibiotics shortly.
Still doing well, feeling like this is working.
I couldn't sleep last night from the ureter pain, (classic chlamydia complication symptoms) http://www.health.arizona.edu/health_topics/sexual_health/stdtable.html so I got my kidney infection coming after the ureter is infected.
I started taking lymocycline 6hrs ago. I feel like my ureter has a hot white ember inside it, THAT'S the extent of my infection. I went to 2 other urologists yesterday who both tested me NEGATIVE for Chlamydia, while I have Kidney scarring in my kidneys (found in an ultrasound yesterday).... I tested negative 17 times while this scarring was occurring...telling the urologist that I had biofilm chlamydia resulted in the reply of: 'there's no such thing and i've never heard of it'. (that game again).
I did an ultrasound yesterday and found that my kidney has scarring from the infection!! In other words - the urologist - refusing to give me antibiotics - is going to cause my kidney to fail!!!
Foreskin turned back to normal - I can feel a lot of puss oozing (according to the urologist I am 'chlamydia free' now and I have nothing to worry about...) lots of burning in my prostate and ureter, meatus lips turned back to normal now that I am back on the right antibiotics. What a horrible disease.
According to the study i posted, and if you have not developed important resistance to those antibiotics, your protocol must work. Just don't forget to drink plenty of water and don't skip meals because this is an "aggressive antibacterial therapy" and the liver and kidneys are in danger. You also should consider the 3 day intravenous in the beginning.
I wish you the best.
"Are you sure that the antibiotics must be injected directly to the prostate?"
It is obvious according to the clinical study link you provided. In it it says the word "intravenous" which means injections.
rbaker765 says that needle injections might damage the prostate and he says of using a syringe but I couldn't find anything of using a syringe. Unless if it's possible to use a syringe from the entrance of the penis tip into the urethra. I'm not familiar with the prostate anatomy, but would using an antibiotic syringe into the penis urethra go into the prostate gland?
The last time I had sex was 6 years ago with my ex-wife and in these 6 years I did not have sex nor did I have any sexual contact with anyone. Than the question arises, why do I have these symptoms now?
The Injection is inserted externally through the skin between the anus and the scrotum directly into the prostate. This could work if it is done at a professional clinic with a followup of oral antibiotics afterwards...then again, I won't do it because I've read so many failures and permanent 'pain' problems in patients who have had this treatment.
I'm on the water and blend, I pee every hour or so. I will be fine... lots of burning currently in my ureter.
I don't have the option of IV antibiotics - I can't find anywhere to buy them from - and I do not know the laboratory procedure of rapid distillation for oral antibiotics into intravenous antibiotics, highly dangerous, I only have an oral antibiotic option (unfortunately).
You can contract Chlamydia from: Oral Sex, infected urethral fluid, and even touching your eyes with your hand after touching the urethral fluid can cause chlamydia trachoma.
example: a sex toy, the Penis Pump <- quite an easy way of spreading this.
Which brings me to my question to the guy who used the thai prostitute's vagina fluid to lube his penis and contracted Chlamydia/Ghonnorea.
The theory of 'Chlamydia can only be transferred through sex' is wrong. The theory of 'repeat' reinfection is wrong too, because I have not had sex since I was supposedly cured, my symptoms remain and were rapidly getting worse.
The icing on the cake: is the lack of belief, in the patient, doctors choose to think you're LYING (ie: reinfecting yourself from a hooker) rather than believe that 1gram of azythromycin hasn't cured you after 2.2years of false diagnosis.... we've found all the evidence online, which is ALSO disproved by urologists as being 'too early' to tell...and 'unreliable'..because it is not used holistically by all the other practitioners.
Transurethral DBTC has a better clinical efficacy than traditional intravenous treatment for CBP. DBTC perfusion combined with other hypurgia holds obvious advantages of being safe, effective, easy and repeatable in the treatment of CBP.
Timely and effective therapy with transurethral perfusion and drainage catheter can improve the patient's sperm quality significantly, but sperm movement function cannot resume completely in a short time.
Prostate Massages are hard to perform, because they require a lot of dedication, also, I am finding it hard to reach to press against my prostate to push out any possible calcifications / prostatic fluid.
This is a serious hurdle to overcome, you can buy a transurethral 'catheter' kit that can do this, however the risk of infection is so high from an unsterilized catheter, and the risk of damaging the urethra is too, as for the procedure itself, you can imagine the agonizing pain of 16.7 cm (in my case) of tubing inserted to inject the antibiotic.... and where would you get liquid antibiotic? you would need to buy some from somebody at a hospital under the counter, that's expensive.
In short, this cannot be done properly at home..................
We need to search for clinics that do perfusion / prostate treatment, and put any links we find on here.
We've removed a number of posts that describe unapproved and potentially dangerous/life-threatening self-administered procedures, as well as posts advocating purchasing and administration of prescription medication in an unapproved manner.
It is impossible for anyone here to know someone's entire medical history, and there may be underlying, undetected medical conditions that could be made worse by any unprescribed treatment. Therefore, such posts are not permitted in our forums. Please be sure to consult with a medical professional before undertaking any treatment, whether it's a procedure or a medication.
Guys, if any of you suspect you have this then print this linked article to take it to your urologists, it might be a rare case, but the reason why one antibiotic does not work is because it is a heterotype and resists single antibiotic dosage like I had:
Chlamydia trachomatis variant not detected by plasmid based nucleic acid amplification tests: molecular characterisation and failure of single dose azithromycin
Conclusions: A pathogenic plasmid free C trachomatis variant was identified. Clinicians should be alerted to the possibility of undetected C trachomatis infection caused by such variants and the potential of azithromycin failure in patients with recurrent chlamydial NGU. The occurrence of this variant is rare and should not form the basis for judgment of the performance or usefulness of plasmid based NAATs for C trachomatis detection.
The data may indicate an ->unrecognized<- process in C. trachomatis infection or that these patients were infected by a variant strain of C. trachomatis which lacks the C. trachomatis-specific plasmid.
After the Chlamydia is eliminated, the T cells remain in the mucosa with memory of the infection preserved. In case of a new infection these cells will promptly respond, shortening the duration of subsequent infections. In healthy individuals a fast and vigorous T response after a new infection will rapidly arrest Chlamydia replication, clear the infection, eliminate residual antigens and prevent the establishment of latent infection.
In humans, there are wide ranging genetic differences in the degree of immune response. Several generations can live with the bacterium and to a certain extent inherit protecting antibodies. Even reproduction is possible. Whether stigmata of the infection surfaces in one or the other individual in subsequent generations or any pregnancies complicated are multifaceted issues. Chlamydia can develop immune evasive mechanisms. Surface antigens can change and thus evade recognition by T lymphocytes. Such cases can lead to Chlamydia latency or persistence, inadequate chronic host reaction and tissue damage. It is also suspected that Chlamydia can develop immune-pathogenic Chlamydia antigens. The outer membrane protein (OMP2) of several Chlamydia trachomatis serovars, Chlamydia pneumoniae and Chlamydia psittaci capable of inducing autoimmune inflammation and are suspected to be responsible for the pathogenesis of Chlamydia-associated inflammatory and autoimmune-like diseases.
The Chlamydia organism has also recently been discovered in certain plaques that cause heart disease, and circulatory disturbances. Chlamydia infection of the pancreas can contribute to the development of type 2 diabetes.
hello you lovely wonderful people. @turkoporto and friends
SECOND AND THIRD INFECTION IDENTIFIED AS CAUSE BEHIND RED MEATUS AND URETHRITIS!!!!!!!!! : I have tested positive for Ureaplasma urealyticum, and Mycoplasma Genitalium, after testing positive for Chlamydia serovars type D.
I came back from the Urologist yesterday with a 7 day course for doxycycline and a 7 day course for METRONIDAZOLE. This is supposed to clear it up after taking nearly 3 grams of azythromycin with 1 week in between (did not remove the infection, just reduced it).
Today is day 2: and I feel a lot better, again, same thing azythromycin has done, except this time, after ejaculation I have no severe prostatic fluid, no red meatus, and no severe flank pain. Things are looking good.
Will keep you updated.
from Beirut, Lebanon (southern suburbs, #nosnackbars :).
Various symptoms of infection: some to none. Urethritis (men) Discharge (both) Burning while urinating (both) Arthritis/reactive arthritis (mostly men) Vaginal itching (women) Pain during intercourse (women) it is associated with BV and possible PID with subsequent infertility in chronic infections. check with your doc and get treated. Good luck
BOTH CHLAMYDIA AND MYCOPLASMA GENITALIUM HAVE ALMOST THE SAME SYMPTOMS.
Where you officially diagnosed with anything?
How about when you drank that juice blend mix and you got PUS. Did you get tested to test positive for anything?
You said you took some antibiotics, but the questions is, what was your diagnosis?
Are you cured now?
guys. give me a little more time. I don't know if I am cured yet. All my tests came negative before taking the OJ drink - after it - all my tests have come positive.
I was diagnosed with:
Chlamydia serovars D
I am currently completing Metronidazole + doxycycline for 1 week. The results are incredible. I have a normal penis now.
DID YOU KNOW that Mycoplasma Genitalium and Ureaplasma can inhibit/ Mask Chlamydia? thereby getting a negative test?
My meatus is normal, however, I still have burning in my side.
So before I put a conclusion...I want to make sure I am cured. It just takes time and antibiotics/metronidazole.
I can't describe my relief right now? I'm euphoric? I think it's finally I told people on here that I got rid of it....this hydra has had it's final head cut off.
Conclusion from Urologist from today's meeting:
DIAGNOSIS: Chlamydial Prostatitis
Mycoplasma Genitalium (naturally occuring triggered by Chlamydia side effect)
(Parasitic Masking was the problem, it took many antibiotics to kill enough bacteria to be effective).
Here is a rundown sequence of what I did to get rid of it:
0) I made sure I was off antibiotics for 2 weeks.
1) then I started with a cleanse, OJ Blend, Garlic/OJ/Celery/Diomaceous Earth 1tsbp once a day (the whole blender ful for 2 weeks)
2) went to the urologist who prescribed me doxycycline/azythromycine
3) was prescribed by urologist azythromycin 3 times (twice at 4 tablets at once/wk) then the 2nd time was a prolonged 5 day course of 1 tablet per day
4) was prescribed by urologist Lymecycline at 2 pills per day for 1 wk after this.
5) performed prostate ejaculation routinely to empty prostate gland once a day, after morning bowel movement.
6) was given rectal doxycycline dose for 1 week.
7) Was finally placed on Metronidazole/Doxycycline for 1 week.
8) Symptoms cleared in this last week and a very big thanks to my urologist.
The Urologist who helped me is:
Doctor Walid Alame (Head of Urology dept)
Sahel General Hospital
I don't know what to do now... I spent so much of my time fighting this disease and I am so weakened both psychologically and physiologically that I will need at least six months of reanimation to go back to my normal self again. I lost a lot of weight, and I am generally extremely tired - but it is gone now.
God forbid I ever allow this to happen again.
Can you write dosage ? Was it doxycycline 100 mg twice a day for a week and additionaly metronidazole 1 pill a day for a week(taken parralel with doxycycline)? You said that you took doxycycline before...was it in this same dosage?
I strongly recommend anyone who was as ****** out of their brains as I was go to this urologist doctor - I take back what I said about not going to see this urologist in Lebanon - definitely do if u cant find a solution - he figured it out!
I took doxycycline 100mg twice a day for a week, metronidazole 500mg /day parallel with doxycycline yes. I took much longer courses of doxycycline (4 week courses) before with no effect. It is the combination of azythromycin/doxycyline THEN metronidazole and Doxycycline that I feel had the best effect. The cipro was there just to kill bacteria in the prostate gland I think.
I'm so free? no pains? normal penis...
(family warning, I'm showing my junk again)
This was what it was like BEFORE (link below):
LOOK this is NOW THIS IS ME AFTER!!!! :D
it even works right! it's like +5 Celsius freezing and it shrinks back to normal when it's cold and gets me all like 'I've got shrinkage like a 9yr old ^_^!', it used to be swollen, painful to rub against clothes with, and generally was always semi-erect/red/limp badly infected now it's a normal pipetto! :D
You said that you took before 4 week course of doxycycline - in which dosage? Was it 100 mg twice a day? Or 100 mg once a day for 4 weeks? You said too that you took combination of azithromycin/doxycycline - in which dosage and how long? And one question yet about last course of doxy/metronidazol: do you took one pill of doxy in the morning(after breakfast) and then one pill of metronidazol at noon, and then one pill if doxy in the evening?
I've got some incredible candida overgrowth to deal with by the way that I have to eat probiotic yoghurt to cure now but that's ok, and I have sores on my tongue after all the vitamin C intake!!!
tbh I took so many antibiotics that I don't know the doses myself. The good news is I documented above all the doses that I took in this thread. everything is documented step-by-step in a blog like way. So just read through what I did. I didn't do a great Job, but I was taking the maximum doses on the receipts that came with the antibiotics.
every antibiotic I took was always the maximum ammount, for a long duration, so doxy happened several times but was always 100mg twice a day doxy was a must. then doxy/azythro combo, then i think it was lymecycline, then cipro, and then doxy again in a syringe (rectal), then finally doxy and metronidazole(twice a day).
Anyway, I feel like I just broke out of prison - got a lease on a second chance for a normal life / euphoric etc. thank god it's over...horrible...
I'm ready to help.
now the only question is should I carry on studying this stuff lol harvard journals and pubmed were so useful lol [CURED WOOOHOOO!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!] or should I turn to my 1/4 snackbar roots and celebratory gunfire...lol I think I'll go eat some gruere swiss cheese and stare at my cat]
from Beirut, Lebanon (the southern suburbs)
Guys. I've exactly this same, but i've got clear sticky discharge... i struggle with it for 3 years. First my doc prescribed me 1,5 mg azithro for 2 weeks. This doesn't help. Then i did swab for gonnorhea (Gonorrhea), trichomonas, fungus and ngu (leukocytes was 0-4 in swab) which was negative. Then this same doc prescribed me 100 mg of doxy once a day , for three weeks. This doesn,t help too. After that i went to urologist, and he prescribed me Cipro for 2 weeks. This doesn't help too. Then he said that i need to do semen culture and test from blood to chlamydia. Test from blood to chlamydia was negative, but in my semen was found enterococcus faecalis Hlar type. Urologist prescribed me amoxicilin, but without any improvement. Then this same urologist take a swab from my urethra for chlamydia(culture, not pcr), mycoplasma genotalium and ureaplasma species. All was negative, but in my urethra was found again enterococcus faecalis again... so i gave up with any drugs for a few months, without any improvement. But after this time i took 1g azithro once-without improvement. After few minths i took metronidazol - probably for one week-i dont remember-but without improvement... Then i did alone urethral swabs for chlamydia, mycoplasma genitalium, ureaplasma urealyticum, hsv and hpv. I make swab by me and send it to laboratory - everything was negative. Then i went to other laboratory and make swab from my urethra for bacteries. Once again enterococcus faecalis. My symptoms didn't changed for three years-enlarged and irritated urethral meatus, clear sticky discharge most seen in the morning, irritated penis in the morning and foreskin - i think that my penis is irritated by this discharge. When i wash my penis, irritation is gone. But every morning my penis is irritated until i clean it. Now i'm taking Urivac - vaccine for enterococcus -unfortunatelly without improvement. I'm reading that in persistent urethritis reccomemndd is azithro taken 500mg one day and then 250mg for four days, with metronidazol 400mg twice a day for 7 days. When i first took azithro, it was 1,5mg too but in two weeks-do you think that i should take azithro again but 500 mg one day and then 250mg for 4 days parallel with metronidazol 400 mg twice a day for 7days? This ngu has ruined my life...
Can we say that the most important thing that cured you was:
specially the Metronidazole clinical study link you provided that further proves this is the missing piece of the puzzle.
So can we say Metronidazole + Doxycycline alone should do the job?
Does your urologists speak english?
I don't even have an official diagnosis, would that matter? Or would your urologists be able to diagnose me the way they diagnosed you cause they have experience with you? Or do I have to see your buddy who has connections to the private lab?
Did you have any pelvic pain, like shooting pain to your anus, shooting pain in your genitals. I ask this cause I have these pains and symptoms like pelvic floor syndrome which is related to Prostatitis.
Who did your prostate ejaculation(massage)?
Rectal doxycycline dose for 1 week? How was this given, needle injections??
When the doctor prescribed rectal fluid injection - it was not through a needle - it was simply a needle-less syringe that injected the antibiotic directly into my rectum - directly afterwards the massage produced some sticky liquid out of my meatus - and I improved dramatically for the entire day thereafter. this carried on for 4 more times for a week, and I felt much better? the sac had been emptied every day for a week
Trichomonasis can even survive in swimming pool water - nevermind your ex's mouth.Besides being transmitted sexually, there have been cases of nonsexual transmission of trichomoniasis such as contaminated douche nozzles, specula, toilet seats, or swimming pool water. The role of public swimming pools in spreading the disease is controversial yet there is little research done. The viability of T. vaginalis in samples of water was reexamined by Pereira-Neves and Benchimol. They concluded that T. vaginalis remains viable and infective in swimming pool water samples for several hours. The survival time is dependent on the cytotoxicity of the strain. The possible transmission of trichomoniasis in public swimming pools may be low.4
Chlamydia can lie dormant in the body for many years causing a low grade infection without symptoms. It could potentially flare up to cause a symptomatic infection, especially if there is an alteration in the persons immune system, such as a severe cold or flu, cancer or some other severe illness.http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7992
First off, thank you for sharing your experiences with us and thank you for helping us also.
I'll list some questions and I hope you can answer them.
1. Your wife is also infected with this and she's pregnant if I'm not mistaken, right. So than your wife will go through the treatment protocol as we're going to go through. How will your urologist treat her? If I or others decide to come to Lebanon for the treatment, what will be the treatment protocol by your Urologist?
2. rectal doxycycline therapy? You know that doesn't reach the Prostate, so why even do this therapy?
3. Who does your prostate massage?
4. Does your urologist speak english and how much will it cost to see him. I'm willing to see him as long as he has a protocol to cure this. From the looks of it, everything is so unorganized cause you tried so many different antibiotics and than it could have been the Metronidazole that did the trick OR Metronidazole + Doxycyline OR prostate massage was the key factor as I pointed this out earlier in my posts that prostate massage everyday is key to curing this. But you and nor your urologist don't have a firm understanding on how you guys cured this yet. That's why I don't want to come there and end up not being cured and keep trying different antibiotics and different methods until it works. You and your urologist need to do a proper protocol for your wife and baby and me and others. Sorry if I sounded too demanding.
1. my wife was treated with erythromycin, but she still has the symptoms, a followup appointment is schedule on tuesday to see the progress...part of me thinks the reason this infection is so persistent is that it can hide in my prostate gland, part of me wants to believe this, either way, this is a very important step coming. Multiple infections - trichomoniasis/ureaplasma/mycoplasma/chlamydia. all found pos+ metronidazole will not harm the baby, I have been reading about it and asked several doctors since.
2)rectal doxycycline does reach the prostate gland as it is a localized dose of antibiotic there is a higher percentage of antibiotic reaching the prostate walls from what I understand, post-massage it permeates through the mucus layers? I will go dig up the material I read about it - I think it was on prostatitis org
3) My urologist performed the prostate massages.
4)My urologist speaks fluent english, obv. he's not exactly proficient or a quadroglot but you'll get by, everyone speaks english here as they all work in dubai etc.
5) no you're not being demanding, you're right, it's your right to your health, you need to be treated as I did, I am here to help in any way I know how.
6) by giving you his address I am in no way saying this 'will work', I threw his address on there because I want it to help other people, (i think you asked for it??) I think what you should do is prepare yourself for a long period of medication like i did (2 months almost?) all we can do is point to urologists who are willing to take risks to cure their patients. This urologist, was worth a shot in my risky and precarious state of mind....2 years of my symptoms could drive a sane man suicidal!
Thankyou for sharing your experience with details, it's what most of us were looking for. I have an appointment with a urologist this week. Iam taking the information and some of the studies posted here with me to get the treatment asap. In my case, and since i am a poor student living abroad, i will try to get the antibiotics without testing myself again, i already had two negative tests which i will bring. My plan is to suggest the urologist to attack all the possible parasites, chlamydia, mycoplasma, ureaplasma, trichomonas and candida with the coctails you used, starting with itraconazole followed by azythromycin/doxycicline, lymecycline/doxycycline or the combo Metronidazole/doxycycline boosted with the garlic juice. If he refuses i'll try to get those drugs by myself in internet. Let you know what happened.. also would like to ask rbaker765 are you considering a sperm test or something now that you are cured or are you planning to wait before testing fertility?
intraconazole is anti fungal, I took that last after the antibiotic doses, metronidazole gave me severe thrush. the rest is the right sequence. Only consult your Urologist BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, don't do this by yourself! that's what I was doing all the time to get CURED...after you consult the Urologist read every prescription leaflet your antibiotics come with on safety/taking before a meal etc for maximum effect!
in my before photo I had severe pain, nausea, dizziness, felt faint, toxicated, would not dare ejaculate for fear of blood in my semen
In my after picture, post ejaculation I have no pains in my side, no dizziness, no faintness, no intoxication,
I am going to do a sperm test hopefully after I get another test.
these are the CDC guidelines on Metronidazole, according to my urologist, it is safe to take 2grams of metronidazole at once, and then see if symptoms disappear, if not, then a week course of 400mg x 2 per day should clear it after all the antibiotics aforementioned that I took, if THAT doesn't work - then your infection is not protozoa-based (gram negative).: http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/std/treat-gl-table.pdf
1. You said you tested negative for Chlamydia 17 times in a row in the past until you drank that juice blend mix + yogurt to produce penis PUS which than tested positive for Chlamydia. So the question arises, if I and others implement this juice mix + yogurt for 2-3 weeks and we don't produce PUS and we still test negative for Chlamydia, than what do we do or what does this mean?
2. Did you have any pelvic floor pain? I ask this cause I started getting pelvic floor pain.
3. Can you talk to your Urologist and tell him about us, tell him about me and others who need treatment and what he can do for us. How much will he charge?
[CURED]My urologist charged me around $470 for treatment for all the aforementioned antibiotics. Which is almost reasonable.
0) I still don't completely know why the garlic and OJ/Celery blend helped, either it's something in the garlic or it's something in the vitamin C acting as a natural steroid - in short I don't know - but 17 tests later and my stubbornness worked - it drew the chlamydia out. I had been on it for two weeks and went in for a diagnosis, I had a proper infection going by then, lots of pus coming out of my prostate gland (i even showed the pus in one of the photographs! on this very forum) If it doesn't work for you - then that's that - I was on it for almost a month in total on it well after the two weeks had passed.
1) I spoke to him about some of the other sufferers with similar symptoms and he said he can take a look but no guarantees. He's done this for 20 years so I trusted him with my body.
2)I did have some mild cramps / pelvic floor pain before the antibiotic+ prostatic massages and intense antibiotic course. That too went away now.
3)I already did tell him about forum members who are also suffering with similar symptoms/can he help etc. he's based at a proper hospital, I've pulled a health Insurance and Life Insurance plan to great lengths in this case.
Turkoporto, on the other hand I did the OJ Mix for 2 1/2 weeks and I'm on it again now but I had all negative test results like I normally do after drinking the OJ Mix but the difference is whenever I drink it my testicles hurt way more than they usually do and my discharge is also more (only ever have discharge with bowel movements) than without the OJ Mix.. It seems to be fighting something. Either the lab didn't test my sample for long enough or correctly, or I have some other kind of infection that closely resembles a STD with similar symptoms but isn't showing up positive on the test results because I don't have a STD. That's my next step, I'm trying to figure out if it could be yeast or anything else closely resembling a STD. I am currently on a ton of antibiotics for STDs which don't seem to be working which is another reason why I think it might be something closely resembling a STD but really isn't..
if you have constipation or big bowel movements than it's quite normal to have pus coming out of your penis as the feces presses on the prostate which is like a sponge so that releases sperm.
Did you have wbc/leukocytes in your urine? even if you tested negative to stds, you should've asked your Dr if they saw wbc/leukocytes in your urine which is an indication of an infection. Now the big question is, if it's not an STD and if it's something like Candida, can Candida cause wbc/leukocytes in the urine?
Did you ever get an ultrasound to check if you have epididymitis?
you're mentioning an upper right quadrant pain, this is explained in that link above^ apparently it could be typical of Chlamydia to infect the liver ampule?
My pain was here in the ascending colon/ appendicitis, after my positive chlamydial diagnosis I was googling how to treat complicated chlamydial appendicitis: please see the following image:
I've never had those side pains you guys are talking about which makes me believe it could be something resembling STDs but not actually be a STD. Especially because all of the antibiotics don't seem to work and all tests are ALWAYS negative.
Advanced chlamydia can cause infection of the appendix, heart and liver. What you think is your kidney might be your appendix, is the pain radiating between the front and the back like mine did?
These are Stanford Medical School's guidelines on treatment
one more thing: the antibiotics I tried were 3rd generation, Fourth Generation antibiotics in 2013 are effective against some infections like Pseudomonas, enterococci, mycoplasma, chlamydia - check with your urologist Turkoporto, keep going to him till he is sick of you (like mine was sick of me).
I don't have side pains like rbaker765. I just recently had left kidney pain that's all.
Mystery007, ok this is what you do since you have PUS only when having bowel movements. Go to the test clinic or see your doctor to give invasive urethral swab test and urine test in the morning but in that morning make sure bowel is full and go poop in the clinic washroom :D as this will make PUS come out and go right away to give your urethral swab test and urine test.
rbaker765: The problem with me and Mystery and others are we don't have an official diagnosis of anything. That's the biggest hurdle in our way as we need to know what we're dealing with as we're not being tested positive for anything.
Oh ok.. Yes actually I did that about 8 months ago and you know what the urologist said.. "I don't want that, throw it away." Stupid *** woman. That I thought could of helped me back then.. Ok I have to see urologist on Friday and I'll try to coordinate it for that morning. I won't pee or crap or anything until I'm actually in the office. I should have that discharge tested specifically then correct? That's what you're saying?? Any specific kind of testing I should request that visit, turkoporto or rbaker??
Yes, get the invasive urethra swab test where they stick the swab inside your penis to get a sample. I don't know the name of the tests but as far as I know they test for Chlamydia, Mycoplasma, Trichomonas, Ureaplasma.
There's so many possibilities for me and you. I agree with rbaker765 in that Chlamydia is still a factor even though we keep testing negative but it's just a hit or miss probably. It could be Candida but can you find out from your Urologist if Candida can cause wbc/leukocytes in the urine? The other scenario is Pelvic Floor Syndrome which is known to cause these kind of symptoms.
I believe I've gotten that before but idk if they've done the "invasive urethra swab test" I know they do the swab and have done it plenty times on me but idk if that's what you're talking about.. Yeah but I have never had pelvic pain or anything like that.. There's symptoms you've both had that I never have which leads me to believe even tho some of our symptoms are similar, we could have completely different problems..
For those, like me, who don't experience all the syptomps described by rbaker765(only itching, burning after pee and ejaculation and yellowish jelly clots in semen) : Another case of a guy with persistent urethritis who tested negative in everything several times, until he was subjected to intense screening....diagnosis: prostatitis due to trichomona vaginalis.
That study and many other studies shows us that intensive testing is needed for diagnosis. This just shows us that we and others might have an STD or Trichomona vaginalis which can be caught non-sexually. You know it's impossible to get the same test above as per the guidelines in that study unless we can somehow get a hold of those Doctors that did the test.
I don't like the too many side effects of Metronidazone, here's just one of many side effects by real people:
Mystery007: Ok we all have different symptoms, but my pelvic pain symptom might not be related to this as it might be related to me sitting down on my butt all day who knows but the most important symptom we're all here for is the inflamed/irritated meatus, that was the initial symptom that got me on this board.
santiag0: What are you going to do? Do you have any PUS coming out of your penis? Did you do the juice mix blend? Do you have any diagnosis? When are you going to go to Mexico to possibly get the Hpv test?
it's good that you posted that link. This shows that it was "Metronidazole" that cured rbaker765 and he wasn't going to get cured with anything else. His antibiotics were a waste and it was ultimately the Metronidazone that did the job. But since rbaker765 did test positive for Chlamydia, than it would be a good idea to take the recommended antibiotics for it and after take Metronidazone as the final treatment.
That's weird.. I've been taking Metrondizole for 7 days so far combined with Levfloxacin and Doxycycline and unfortunately for me it doesn't seem to be helping.. I still and have always tested negative for STDs but somehow my symptoms still occur.. The only antibiotic I haven't taken that I know of that may help would be Moxifloxacin but judging by all the other antibiotics so far, idk how much it would help me..
TiminBoston: He never said he was cured till now. He said in his previous posts that he was hoping to get cured with the antibiotics that he was trying at that time.
rbaker765: please don't be bothered by that dude.
Mystery007: How did you self-medicate yourself? The reason I think rbaker765 was when I told him about prostate massage and that needed to be done everyday. There's a Urologist that treats Prostatitis in the Philippines who does the everyday prostate massage protocol to treat his patients. But one does not need to travel all the way to Philippines. Plus you have to get someone who's good at massaging the prostate massage like an experienced Urologist. Also me and rbaker765 agreed that antibiotics needed to get into the prostate and I told him of the urethral perfusion instead of the prostate antibiotic needle injections that has side effects. rbaker765 in this case injected antibiotics into his rectum without a needle, I don't know how that would make its way into the prostate but in his case it worked. Hence why rbaker765 typed out his cured protocol that included all of these. Did you do the prostate massage and rectum antibiotics? These are crucial imho.
If it is Chlamydia like we all seem to think it is, the CDC says that the treatment is:
Azithromycin 1 g orally in a single dose
Doxycycline 100 mg orally twice a day for 7 days
I have tested negative for chlamydia several times which of course came back negative, took both of these prescriptions listed above which would have cured chlamydia id not help.
I also took Metrondizole, Azithromycin, Moxifloxacin and Ciproflaxacin
Took a swab test for Microplasma (mycoplasma) Genatalium and U. Urealyticum, all came back negative, but even if it was a false negative, the above prescriptions would have readicated the infection and any other STD out there.
I have taken almost every prescription possible with no help to my problem.
I do read all posts, so everyone please continue to update this as you find more data on this issue.
Also, i am no doctor, they all think we are making it up anyway, so my opinion is this is a new bug out on the street that has not been addressed by the medical professions yet or its a new strain of HPV (genital warts) that is persistent (does not come and go), that is found near the tip of your penis, so that when you pee or orgasm it becomes sensitive by the fluid passsing over it, or as most of us have experienced, gets irritated when rubbing against anything (underwear,etc.)
Also the doctors on this site who say you cannot catch anything from oral are incorrect, check any CDC website in the states or the UK and they will verify this. Sad for them to say this as it promotes unsafe sex and spreads crap like this even more.
Rbaker, please continue to post, since it is up to each of us to try to piece together what we have. And yes we all may have something a bit different (kind of like the avriations of HPV, and there are dozens of them) but i do belive that what most of us have is related.
Stay positive, live life, and do NOT let this take over your whole life, life is too short!
Guys, i went to the urologist yesterday, he refused to put me on 2 antibiotics at the same time and prescribed cipro to kill mycoplasma and ureaplasma he said, he basically ignored my suggestions, i wanted metronidazole and azythromycin :( At least the ultrasound showed everythingo is fine. At this moment ive taken bactrim(trimetroprim/sulphametoxazol) tetracyclin and now cipro, no improvements.
In my case i dont have white pus nor blood and have never seen it, i only have yellowish jelly-like clots in my semen, specially in the final shots of ***, they have the size of a grain of rice. I've read some people saying that it's normal but i am very sure that those clots started at the sime time of the urethritis!!!! Although i considered HPV as a cause, my semen is not lying, the odds for a bacterial infection are higher.
I started the juice 2 days ago which ill be taking with the cipro for the next 10 days, i inform you if there is pus coming out. Ill also visit another urologist or dermatolgist to try to get the metronidazole and azythro again.
Iam going to mexico until june and only for a couple of weeks,then i come back to czech, but as i said,i need to try the combo ofantibiotics before jumping into the hpv scenario which is the most expensive.
I got the meds from the urologist who's been working with me for several months.. Problem is, since nothing has been found that's positive, I've just been feeding my body antibiotics in hopes that one of these will take care of my problem. I am finishing out my course, doing a semen analysis and if everything continues to be negative (which is probably will be) I am going a different route since I've exhausted the "STD" beliefs this whole time.. I've been talking to a natural medicine doctor recently and in MY situation because of my past, sinusitis, 2 kidney stones and most recently colon polyps, my problems could very well be yeast driven for years which finally just exploded and started giving me all these symptoms. All unfortunately seemed to kick in after I had received oral from that girl not 2-3 weeks later which would be such a CRAZY coincidence. Everything at this point, points to yeast in MY situation. All my symptoms are symptoms of yeast as well, in MY situation and this could very well be my answer. Like Rbaker765, he was able to figure out his problem and with the proper antibiotics, he got cured. Everyone is different even tho the symptoms may be the same and with me there is way more to take into account. My fix could potentially be anti-yeast medication for a prolonged period of time seeing how I've been stuck with this crap for 15 months. Because I've taken so many antibiotics over the months and nothing is working for STD related stuff (my only other possibility would be Chlamydia) and the girl I was with was negative and the guys before her and after her had no problems that leads me to believe that I have a severe yeast infection building over the years. So that's my next step and I will let you all know what the outcome is.
unsure_56: cipro is a dangerous drug and I'm surprised you didn't get a bad side effect of it. So many people advise against the use of it and cause of their bad reactions to it, they warn people.
santiag0: You know how people supposedly beat hpv by boosting the immune system, well I don't know if they really beat the hpv virus, I think they just suppress the Hpv virus so it stays dormant in the body. What I'm saying is, since you're going to to Mexico to get the blood test, I'm thinking since you're drinking the juice blend mix to boost your immune system, this will effect the result of your hpv blood test.
Mystery007: You have a really good Urologist, may I ask who he is, what his contact info is. I know you haven't been cured of this but your Urologist seems like he's trying to help you treat this even though you haven't tested positive to anything.
The urologist isn't who is helping me through all this.. It's actually a natural medicine doctor, I think you should try that route and maybe that's your problem or if it's not then u can at least rule it out.. I pray, wish and hope that in my situation with all my history that this is the problem that just happened to get set off in coincidence with receiving oral..
Turkoporto: I am relapsing back into Infection. Today I ejaculated - it's been almost a month - and I have stinging in my urethra - I was symptom free for nearly a month.
Santiago: I have enrolled in a MiCROBIOLOGY course, to begin doing the testing myself at the university's laboratory to understand what is this new Chlamydial bacteria - and if there is an antibiotic that can affect it in vitro, since I will live with this for the rest of my life I might as well study it.
TiminBoston: sorry if I upset you with my posts, I was just trying to help people.
I have definitely relapsed back into infection. So I'm beginning to take a different approach to prostate drainage.
Currently I am on Lymecycline 1.5grams per day, as instructed by my urologist whom i saw yesterday. Whenever my prostate burns, I immediately masturbate and then apply prostate drainage - with the 'come hither' motion, so far I have walked painless from my prostatitis, but whenever it hurts this seems to help - so long as I am on lymecycline to fight it.
I will keep you posted if it goes. I managed to get rid of the pain today for 12hours.
time to gross people out again - bad news - yesterday I experienced blood in my stool when I wiped after prostatic massage - the blood was brown. indicating an upper infection.
I would like to post that I have gotten rid of my pain in my side. that is definitely gone. I think this strain of Chlamydia causes ulcers in the ascending colon, this is what I have been experiencing I think.
I have booked an appointment with a general practitioner to discuss going to see a gastroenterologist and guess what fellas - I'm in for a diva's favorite thing - a colonoscopy! yay! obviously I'll have to undergo two of them because the first one i'll screw up and fail to drink the fluid - failing this - a CT scan will show the layers of tissue and discover any underlying problems.
I'll keep you posted on how it goes. I am so close to getting rid of this persistent prostatic infection with the massages but the colonoscopy could discover why my side hurts - it's very unfair that I should have relapsed after taking such a strong dose of antibiotics.
I will never take any floxacin antibiotics again - for the side effect reasons - and would recommend no-one else does either.
Archie - living in beirut/Lebanon / out.
note: the lymecycline burrrrrrrned my prostate when I took the folowing:
1 x metronidazole
3 x lymecycline spaced out over 4 hrs each (as recommended by my urologist).
I don't believe I have trichomoniasis anymore, just a very persistent acute form of chlamydia that I am finding very hard to get rid of.
something else I have noted: there was severe burning in my prostate everytime after I do the massage. I do two massages - one in the morning - one in the evening - to clear the prostate of any underlying infection - this has cleared my meatus to normal almost immediately post-massage.
>>>>I have sampled 4 specimen bottles to give back to my urologist<<<
in two weeks - i will go re-test for chlamydia, however the sample will need to be positive - I know I still have a low-lying infection - the matter is proving this to my doctor with a positive sample - but how?! post prostatic massage I will give a sample of the 'infected' prostatic fluid from my prostate with the urine bottle.
This hopefully should prove to my urologist that I do in fact still have the infection, and that it is in my prostate gland still.
my urologist has recommended a doctor who 'flushed' out the infection out of the prostate gland using very low concentration antibiotics by feeding a tube up the urethra and (the tricky part) fitting it through the prostatic sphincter located 3cm away from the bladder sphincter.....
this would make sense as an approach combined with prostate massage.
[UPDATE] I recovered from the relapse, after taking (as per urologist recommendation) 7 days more of Lymecycline.
I have improved to recovery again - except this time - THERE IS NO SWELLING AFTER MASTURBATION.
This is a chronic case of prostatitis, that is difficult to treat.
Every day my routine is:
1)Wake up and take 2 Lymecycline pills with 1 litre water
2) after urination, perform prostate massage (after ejaculation/masturbation)
3) go to work (take Probiotic pill, eat probiotic yoghurt breakfast)
4) repeat prostate massage at lunchtime, and possibly ejaculate (ie masturbate) take 1 Lymecycline with 1litre water
5) Have dinner, repeat prostate Massage (take 1 more Lymecycline)
6) go to sleep.
I no longer need the OJ Mix as now that I have been diagnosed positive I am trying to get cured.
I have repeated this routine for a week, the results are beyond excellent, I get constant morning wood again for around 10 minutes, my libido has gone up, I can ejaculate without URETHRITIS, I no longer have a severely painful Meatus that rubs against my clothes.
This condition (prostatitis) is like having a 'cold' down there, the mucus needs to be drained 3 times a day at least.
I spend around a minute with the 'hither come' motion to clear the mucus blockage in my prostate gland.
I have since taken two samples to my urologist - both tested POSITIVE for Chlamydia from prostate fluid AFTER taking all the medication against chlamydia (ie. azythromycine/doxycycline/ciprofloxacin/erythromycin).
Showing that these antibiotics diid not penetrate the mucus membranes in my prostate gland.
My urologist now believes me.
my urologist believes my pain in my side is directly attributed to nerve barriers surrounding the infected prostate gland....
Will update you as I go along
basically I'm almost there - chronic prostatitis is very, very hard to cure.
from Beirut, Lebanon. (Southern Suburbs)
I took Doxycyclin/Azythromicin/Ciprofloxacin and each time it made me feel better but then it came back three days later. My symptoms are very minor. My meatus has remained swollen the entire 5 months of had symptoms, but even when I'm not irritated it will be swollen. The doctor said that's something I'm going to have forever because the prostatitis has altered my meatus. I'm ok with that, but I am not ok with the pain after ejaculating, the occasional testicular pain, the pain in my side and the random pain in my urethra throughout the day. I don't have a Urologist but I went to the emergency room where they prescribed me with Cipro. Took it all and symptoms came back. If I showed a urologist this thread and explain that it's basically the exact symptoms I'm having they will help me like they helped you?
I hope so. But I won't hold my breath. Urologists are very, very, very, very stubborn, and very convincing - (the head of the last urology dept basically ignored my pain in my side, pain in my urethra, burning in my prostate, ignored the fact my WIFE suddenly had symptoms too that went away, and firmly convinced me that I had anxiety, then changed tune to 'put salt water on the meatus'. Some doctors suffer from a psychiatric dissonance - only they are right - because they've been subjected to medical bullying half their lives - it's idiotic.)
just know this - if you are under 50 you can recover from prostatitis - you just have to be religious with your prostate massages, 3 times a day, after ejaculation, I have less than a month to go to get rid of prostatitis - to make sure you empty the sack - and you should only do prostate massages (as per my urologist's advice) if you are on antibiotics!
Archie, from Beirut, Lebanon.
One more thing:
My Urologist is talking to another doctor who is investigating a 'tool' that is basically an extendable catheter that is very thin that can insert a tube into the sphincter of the prostate gland. This tool can 'flush out' the bacterial prostatitis through the tube attachment.
good luck getting your urologist to investigate anything beyond an antibiotic prescription bud!
Ok, I'll try to go to the urologist and convince him that I have prostatitis. I'm not sure if it's bacterial or not, but since it happened after I had unprotected sex, I assume it is. Should I avoid sexual activity? I don't want to spread anything but everywhere I go says that it's not contagious. All the doctors say it's not contagious. I'm just worried they're wrong.
the trouble is - it is very contagious if it is trichomoniasis, chlamydia.... don't touch your eyes with your hands, avoid all sex... and only masturbate if you're on antibiotics + empty your prostate gland right after.
Doxycycline has 100/ml urine saturity, whilst lymecycline has 400/ml, so I tried lymecycline and it actually cured me for a month. then I relapsed - and now I'm figuring out what to do next. The Infection came-back-from-my-prostate-gland into my urethra - into my bladder.
I am in the same boat as you and the others with the symptoms that started after sex. Since the doctors cannot find the virus/type of infection they will tell you that you cannot spread it, if this is true, how did you get it??? Knowing that, yes it can be spread. But if all you have is a non-bacterial prostatitis, then it cannot be spread. Bacterial prostatitis is usually caused by an STD, which you know can be spread sexually.
The fact is, they do not know what causes this, it is my belief that it is a new bug that has not been diagnosed yet.
If it was trich or chlamydia, why do i keep testing negative for it? But if it is one of those, i also took the correct antibiotics to cure them, yet the symptoms are still there, and this is why it leads me to believe this is something new.
I just wish they would find the strain of bacteria that causes this, then it would be easy for them to come up with a cure for it, it is very tough to treat an illness when the illness/virus/infection is not known, it becomes a guessing game, doctors would have to prescribe many different drugs in the attempt to cure you, when in the beginning they don't even see what is wrong besides you telling them what is wrong.
In the end, the doctors will never admit to fault or wrongdoing, this would open them up to all types of lawsuits.
Check out this link for non-bacterial Prostatitis causes:
As you can see, once you get the prostate irritated/inflammed, than I guess unfortunately you're stuck with Prostatitis for the rest of your life as in my case I strongly believe I have CNBP(Chronic non-bacterial Prostatitis) and anti-biotics will not cure this, you might feel better for a short period after taking antibiotics but the symptoms will return so it's better not to use them since they have side effects.
My symptoms flare up only after ejaculation. Symptoms are pelvic floor pain, burning pain in the tip of the penis, irritated meatus, testicle pain, shooting pain in pelvic floor. I believe I have non-bacterial Prostatitis and Pelvic Floor syndrome, as I have tested negative to all STDs so many times, cystoscopy clean, prostate fine. Check out this link and read this guys story:
Even though he believes that the culprit all along was Pelvic floor syndrome, I differ, I'd like to believe in my case that it's both non-bacterial Prostatitis and Pelvic Floor syndrome.
If I get the money, I might travel to China as they have urethral perfusion treatment for Prostatitis but like unsure_56 said, one has to know the CAUSE of Prostatitis to get treated and in his case and mine and Mystery, we don't have STDs as we keep testing negative. I guess we have to live with this for the rest of our life but I guess I can knowing it's not an STD and I don't have to worry about transmitting to my partner.
I got the symptoms after sex, so I am pretty sure it is bacterial Prostatitis, which can be curable. I've also read that non-bacterial prostatitis can be cured as well, it just requires different methods. My symptoms aren't bad, the pain is bareable, it's like the symptoms everyone else is describing only my pain is no where near as bad, it's just really difficult to live with because it's annoying and I can constantly feel it, and it has completely drained my libido. Even if I wanted to have sexual contact with a girl I wouldn't because I'd be scared to give her something.
The reason it isn't showing up on tests is because it may not be something they know of or it is hiding in my prostate. Everytime I take the medication the prescribe I can feel whatever it is leave my urethra and my flank. I still feel some slight Prostate discomfort, but it's nothing too bad. Then when I'm off the medication for a few days it all returns to the areas it left. That's why I think that it hides in my prostate while I'm taking medication. I need something to penetrate the membrane of my prostate. It needs to be 100% gone before I quit medicating.
So you have it again? lymecycline didn't work? How long were you taking it? It would seem that after all this time your urologist would begin to question what is going on in your prostate. Are you still testing positive for chlamydia?
I tested positive for Chlamydia again last week.I'm getting a little agitated by this disease now.
I agree with you that it is in the prostate, and causes reinfection.
This is a video of a urethroscopy, I will talk to my GP tomorrow to arrange an appointment to see a urologist and test positive for Chlamydia from prostatic fluid at his clinic and get urethral perfusion in his clinic with azythromycin or doxycycline IV - it is a mild procedure, and he has the urethroscope.
I will let you know if it works ofcourse.
If I test negative for chlamydia at his clinic (highly likely given the evasiveness of this low lying Chlamydia infection...now i test positive..now i don't) - I will ask to be referred to a 'private' consultant nurse/consultant whom I can pay to do the procedure, either way, this is not going to carry on. I will be strong with this and I -will- win.
Archie, from beirut,lebanon.
There's also blood in my stool. I'm not sure it has anything to do with this, but I heard that can be a symptom of prostatitis. Today was probably the worst day of symptoms I've had in a few months. I woke up with my meatus sealed shut, had stinging pain all day and blood in my stool a few minutes ago. I need to go to the Urologist asap, or I'm going to be miserable.
Just to let you know.. about a year ago I too had blood in my stool for a week or two for the first time in my life. This was about 3-4 months after symptoms started. Turns out I had hemroids and had to have a colonoscopy. They found 2 pre cancerous polyps. I don't know if it's related or not but you might want to see a gastro to be safe..
I finished cipro/OJ blend two days ago(500mg twice day x 10days). I didn't see any discharge or pus comming out, didn't masturbate either (until yesterday). The stinging and itching went away during the treatment but came back today(bacterial regrowth i guess)...the meatus irritation dissapeared but not the swelling. At least iam sure its bacteria, and most likely a combination or multiple infection since cipro is not very effective with chlamyidia but it is with myco/ureaplasma.
rbaker765: Im sorry about your relapse. The good thing is you already know exactly which bug you have. you only need to keep fightingit.
turkoporto: I rule out the hpv/yeast option..Now, ill attack trichomonasis or chalmydia possibility with metronidazole/azythro or metronidazole/lymecycline...although some guys already have taken that step, my symptoms are far less complicated than theirs(never had blood in semen, blood in stool, pain in pelvis floor etc.) so it could work with me.
In fact, Cipro is very strong and dangerous, it triggered fungal growth in my anus. I cleared it with canesten cream.
Is it necessary to combine antibiotics? My symptoms also aren't as serious as others, I've had blood in my stool and the occasional meatus and urethra pain, but no pelvic floor pain, or anything unbearable. I'm thinking about trying to get a combination of antibiotics, but I'm worried about the side effects.
The reason behind combining antibiotics is first, to kill multiple infections that could be present(chlamydia, trichomona, mycoplasma, ureaplasma and so on) which i belive is the reason of false negative tests and not being cured by one antibiotic. And second, according to others' experiences here, not letting the bacteria to "mutate" or build resistance, specially if you have had the problem for a long period. Although, i believe most doctors wont agree with this idea, it worked for rbaker765.
The treatment would be Metronidazole 500mg twice daily x7 days for trichomona plus Azithromycin or lymecycline (which kills the all the others) with corresponding doses.
Cipro kills ureaplasma, mycoplasma and others but is ineffective against trich and chlamidia.
In my case i dont think this is a new bug, but a persisten multi-infection that my body has controlled somehow. my symptoms are not constant they come and go specially when my immune system get depressed.
If it doesnt work i will consider the prostate massages and urethral perfussions.
The only time i noticed the clumps was when I was on dioxycyclin. Other than that it hasn't been an issue. I tried to stop masterbating (masturbating) the last few days since i'm not on antibiotics. Baker said it's important I don't while I'm not on antibiotics.
Cirpo didn't work until the last few days, doxycyclin almost worked immediately, and I felt like It was completely gone while I was on it. Same with Azitromycin. I'll try to convince my Urologist that I need two.
I think I have the same thing. The symptoms come and go. I think it is a multi-bacteria that I need to control with multiple antibiotics. Everyone else seems to have far worse symptoms than I, and have had them for far longer. This is my 5th month, and It has gone away completely a few times, I think I can get rid of it completely. I just need to convince a urologist that It is what I think it is and it can be cured.
>> in dec 2012. I took:
14 days 200mg/day doxycycline
14 days 100mg/day ciprofloxocin
14 days itraconazole.
7 day course erythromycin
None of them worked. I also took another antibiotic that I did not write down.
nothing was working.
This year, after a strong immune system, prostate massages and Lymecycline, I got out for around a month, and came back in.
The strange thing is - I have a swollen meatus in the morning - but after I ejaculate - and do the prostate massage my Meatus goes back to normal for a few hours - but then I have a constant dull ache in my ureter leading to my right kidney.
I am going to the GP again today with 1 request: prostatic antibiotic urethral perfusion
The weirdest thing has been happening the last few days. I started taking vitamin B12 and D3 along with my Anti-Candida pills and the symptoms have nearly disappeared. I have no idea if there is any correlation, but it is pleasant to not have symptoms for a while. It feels the same as when I was taking the Dioxycyxlin. It's going on day 4 tomorrow. I hope it keeps up.
The Urethritis is mostly gone right now. I still have occasional prostate pain, and some pain in my side, but for the most part the urethritis is gone. It could just be a coincidence. There is some slight discomfort after masturbating, but nothing too bad. My Urine is not leaking out as much after I urinate, also, which is nice.
The pills are simple NOW candida-support pills I found on amazon.
To everyone here, my life story about this horrible disease process:
Last year in March 2013, my wife went on a business trip to Paris, France, the night she got back we had rough oral and anal sex, also the same day I was cooking in the kitchen and had slipped and pretty much did the splits on the floor because I had water boiling and it was going all over the place. The next morning I wake up to urinate (void) myself and my urine stream was literally going in 5 different places at a time because my meatus was so disfigured from irritation. It scared the liv
To everyone here, my life story about this horrible disease process:
Last year in March 2013, my wife went on a business trip to Paris, France, the night she got back we had rough oral and anal sex, also the same day, before we had sex, I was cooking in the kitchen and had slipped and pretty much did the splits on the floor because I had water boiling and it was going all over the place, I had to use the bathroom and returned to a pot of water over spilling, first instinct was to make it stop. The next morning I wake up to urinate (void) myself and my urine stream was literally going in 5 different places at a time because my meatus was so disfigured from irritation. It scared the living daylights out of me. I accused her of cheating on me and we almost didn't get married :-(.
I didn't go to a doctor for a couple of weeks until I was fed up of feeling like this. I finally get to a Doctor and I tell him about my symptoms, and the first thing he wants to do is squeeze my penis for discharge. Hurt like no other, and nothing came out. He ordered a urine test, no STD or proteins in my urine sample, even though it was the color of apple juice, straight brown colored.
I go back to the Doctor because every time I would kneel down like a baseball catcher, I could literally feel my prostate poking out of my anus. Had the Doctor look at my ***, and he tells me that I have a perianal fistula and piles (hemorrhoids). Then he proceeds to call it like two other things such as fissure or pilonidal sinus. Do not care, Doctors are as smart as the people at Best Buy trying to fix your computer, I'm in IT and I always solve the problem. They just go by the books and never look outside the box Sometimes you need a heavy hitter on your side, I'm one of those guys. Anyway, I also had him check my prostate, and he says it feels normal. He tells me this and I feel horrible, also had pilonidal cysts too not zits or pimples, but multiple draining painful cysts on my ***. He says see the surgeon and of course I take no for an answer.
Back on topic, I never knew for 31 years of my life that I had a hole on my tailbone that leads inside my body. It could be the cause who knows. At the age of 9 (year 1991), I developed a huge football sized EM (erythema migrans) rash on my right thigh. My step-father was a prominent physician in my community and didn't know what it was, it took my mother and a lot of research, without modern Internet, to discover that I had the tell-tale sign of Lyme Disease, was clinically diagnosed, and then through blood work diagnosed again, and subsequently put on a US State registry for having the disease. I took antibiotics for a couple of weeks and no more rash. Was I cured from it? Who knows, everything I read says one should be on antibiotics for months, not just 2 weeks.
Fast forward to the year 2002, I started working for the county health department as a direct observe therapy provider (DOT) making sure that Tuberculosis patients took their regimen of pills to rid them of this horrible disease, as I was hard up for money. I was exposed to people who had active pulmonary M. tuberculosis, meaning that they were exhaling active TB bacteria into the air and were highly contagious, although the mask I was wearing was supposed to protect me from TB. Before I quit my job 5 years later, I had to take my last TB test, now mind you all TB tests I had before were good, this last one concerned the TB nurse, and I barely past the Tuberculin skin test. I parted ways with the Health Department and never thought anything about it until now.
Everything I've read on this forum, now leads me to believe that it is a penile TB infection which is very rare. rbaker765 has stated multiple times that he's been on two different antibiotics at a time and felt better. Latent TB infection known as EPTB can affect every tissue in your body, including your urethra. When I worked for the health department, I would give clients drug cocktails such as Rifampin, Ethambutol, Isoniazid and Pyrazinamide. That makes a lot of sense as to why multiple antibiotics make one feel better for a short time, but; then comes back. The wrong antibiotics were prescribed!!!! Everyone here should probably be on a TB cocktail.
From PubMed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17446296
The genitourinary tract is the most common site for extrapulmonary tuberculosis (TB). Penile TB is extremely rare comprising less than 1 % of all genital TB cases in males. It most commonly presents either as a superficial ulcer on the glans (glands) or around the corona. Diagnosis of penile TB is often difficult because it can mimic numerous other diseases. The association of TB with AIDS, and the increasing incidence of multiple drug resistance has further compounded the problem. The case described herein involves a patient with multidrug-resistant smear-positive penile TB that was undiagnosed initially due to the lack of clinical suspicion of TB, and once diagnosed failed to respond to first line antitubercular drugs because of multiple drug resistance.
You can thank me later for saving your life, family and sanity, it's not some hidden form of Chlamydia like some suggest. It's simple as pie, TB isn't necessarily for your lungs, it's a wonderful nomad who will reside in any organ in your body. Same as Lyme Disease, will happily live your life for you. One thing no one has done in this forum is a simple TB test, or Lyme Disease test. I suggest you have that done before you see some idiot urologist who has no clue that you are having secondary symptoms of a major disease and wants to shove a Q-Tip up your penis. Please remember that Doctors want your money and your repeat business, they will tell you anything to keep you coming back.
Stop suffering, I'm getting a TB test this week and will report back, if only a handful of people have this problem and the forum has been going for almost 4 years, it's a rare problem and that's why nobody has had a definite answer. No one has mentioned Tuberculosis at all, only sexually transmitted diseases. Have you ever thought that if you are really close to a human being either through sex or casual conversation, that you can't catch TB, then you are wrong.
All I know, is I woke up one day with a swollen disfigured urethral meatus and although the pain has subsided for the most part (has almost been a year), I'm left with this lingering right side flank pain that mimics gallbladder, liver or kidney problems. Masturbation and sex makes it worse. Is it referred pain to my penis from other organs, not sure, but I will keep this thread alive until the problem has been resolved.
The Orange Juice Garlic whatever serum isn't going to do anything, but make you feel worse, it's like a placebo, I could tell you to kill a rabbit and bury its' foot and you would feel the same. Anyway get a TB skin test and a Lyme Disease test first before trying to self diagnose some disease that you probably don't have. As with everyone in this forum, you are intelligent people, that is why you are here, and intelligent people have anxiety, because they know better. Trust no Doctor, and always remember you are your own self advocate for your health.
Even through all of this torture, my Wife found out she is pregnant, so I know it's not affecting my sperm at all, even though I have a constant dull gnawing ache in my right testicle. That's one thing I can say W00t W00t!!! I'm going to be a Daddy with some screwed up disease yet to be discovered by mankind, or so rare that the Doctor's didn't think to check it out. Either way, I will not give up on this, and have been checking this forum regularly since I've been experiencing problems. Any Doctors that I see, I will post what the outcome is. Godbless your soul and screw anyone who says it's all in your head, because it's not.
Wow. That's a lot to take in. I will get tested for this as soon as I can. I came back negative on everything. They told me it was prostatitis as well as urithritis, but I never thought that it was TB causing those issues. I sure hope you are right. The thought of it raises my hopes, so thank you.
Now, can I spread the TB through sexual contact? I met a girl I like and It would seem like she is getting impatient because I'm not sealing the deal. I worry that I'll give her something, then she'll be stuck with some horrible incurable disease.
My friend it's worth checking out, TB is worldwide, a simple skin test will reveal....Just a side note, also test for Lyme Disease, please just do it to rule anything out...I've had it (been clinically diagnosed and through blood work not sure if through Western Blot or ELISA) and I have the same symptoms as everyone else, swollen meatus, side pain, right testicle gnawing pain, right upper quadrant pain (gallbladder like symptoms), back pain, pain after ejaculation (also feel very drained after ejaculation like flu symptoms) and voiding (urinating) myself, loss of interest in things I used to love, loss of libido and general anxiety about my health and my own mortality. Can I deal with it, sure I've lived this long, but I want it to end. It's all consuming, and for me it's not caused by anxiety, the anxiety came after the symptoms, it just makes it worse. That's a fact...Godbless our souls, nobody should suffer like we have
Honestly, live life like there is nothing wrong with you, shed the anxiety as much as you can, it only exacerbates anything in life. You found a girl, that you like, good for you fellow friend, roll with it. You only have so much time on this planet. As far as you've been told, you have nothing contagious right? Don't let your conscious weigh heavy on you, as far as you know, you're not spreading anything. As far as TB infection, you have to have active pulmonary TB to spread it, according to mankind.
Feelings are mutual rbaker765, you're are wonderful too my friend, we have to fight the good fight, I've been following this thread for a long time now, we all deserve to feel good, and I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired...Just want answers, I know what I've experienced and what others have, it's worth a shot, no BS or anything guys, I've been around very sick people with TB in my early twenties and now at, 31, I'm having weird things going on, also had Lyme Disease as a child, supposedly cured through antibiotics. I'm getting tested tomorrow if I can, if not, when I do, I will post the results.
i do wish it was as simple as testing positive for TB, but in my job i am required to take a yearly TB test, the doctor will inject a type of fluid under the skin of your arm, then you will go back to your doctors in 2 days to see if there is a reaction. I have done this every year, and every year i am negative for TB. As per the Lyme disease, i did not take this test.
Also, i am doubting it is Lyme disease, as most of us, if not all, have started getting these symptoms a day or two after a sexual encounter. Lyme desease does not spread that way.
Epididymal and testicular TB
The higher frequency of isolated epididymal TB lesions in children favors the possibility of hematologic spread of infection , whereas adults seem to develop tuberculous epididymoorchitis caused by direct spread from the urinary tract. The formation of a draining sinus is uncommon in developed countries, but epididymal induration and beading of the vas are common.
Involvement of the testis is usually due to direct extension. Infertility may result from bilateral vasal obstruction. Nodular beading of the vas is a characteristic physical finding, and orchitis and the resulting testicular swelling can be difficult to differentiate from other mass lesions of the testes.
Prostatic TB is also spread hematogenously, but involvement is rare; however, of those with affected, 85% also have renal TB. The affected prostate is nodular and not tender to palpation. Severe cases may cavitate and form a perineal sinus, although this development is rare. Decreased semen volume may indicate extensive prostatic disease or ejaculatory duct obstruction.
Genital and urethral TB
Urethral TB is secondary to genital TB. Patients with genital and urethral TB present with a superficial tuberculous ulcer on the penis or in the female genital tract secondary to mycobacteria exposure during intercourse. The penile ulcer may cause cavernositis that extends to the urethra. This form of TB may involve the uterus and fallopian tubes, causing strictures. Consider malignancy if genital ulcers are present. Acute urethritis manifests as mycobacterial discharge and often results in chronic stricture formation.
Ok, so I'm definitely not going to have sex with this girl, then. Not until I get the tests at least. I don't want to give her lyme disease or TB, or anything like that. That would just make my situation worse.
My symptoms are going away, slowly but surely. I'm not doing anything too different, just taking Vitamins and Anti-Candida pills and drinking a lot of water. I drink a lot of water before I masturbate so that I can urinate a good amount after and it makes it to where there is 0 pain in my urethra after. Something is changing for the better. Hopefully it keeps up.
I'll still get tested so that I can cure whatever it is, but at least the symptoms are subsiding for now.
All I can do, is offer advice on what I would do. Always do what is right for yourself, and your life. Good to hear that something is working for you, at one time I thought my symptoms were in remission, but then they reared their ugly little heads. I also void myself after sex or masturbation, it's good practice to evacuate any leftover semen and prostate fluid. Keep fighting the good fight, all we can do is help each other.
My only remaining symptom after initially experiencing the classic meatal pinching and itching since Sept 2013 is the remaining asymptomatic swollen meatus "lips" that don't go away. Had a biopsy last month. No HPV. Biopsy result was "Lichen Simplex Chronicus". Defined as irritation from excessive friction, scratching or abrasion. Doesn't make sense but that was the biopsy result. Full range STD tests were all negative. No TB test though.
Rbaker pointed out something to me a little while back and I am curious to know what everyone else's thoughts are on this.. He said to me, look for a list of natural bacteria in the mouth and look for clues about irritation in a host. I've tested for everything negative about 30+ times over 15+ months so I'm thinking that maybe I have been looking at this situation wrong. I've been looking for something that was through the STD route because I started noticing my symptoms about 2-3 weeks after receiving oral sex, no vaginal intercourse. All this would make sense considering I started noticing my symptoms that I've never in my life have had before getting oral sex from a girl. The symptoms (cold genitals, pinching in head of penis, irritation at tip, discharge & testicle pain) fit that of a STD but the results have ALWAYS been negative. So that leaves me to question, is there something else that could be causing these symptoms that is from natural bacteria or maybe something else? Whatever it is, wether it's STD related or just mimicking STD symptoms, it's very uncomfortable and I don't want to have this constant discomfort that I've had for 15+ months anymore. I know a lot of people have similar symptoms and negative test results so maybe this could be the answer to your problem too. What is everyone's thoughts?
For those of you suffering 'epidimo-orchitis' testicular pain, check this article out:
"Many urologists miss or misdiagnose Chlamydia in young patients''
When giving a sample this guideline says to give a morning sample which is the best sample, the mid-stream is not as effective.
"During this time, 204 cases were diagnosed in men under the age of 35, but in only 7% of cases (15) were first morning (void) urine or urethral samples sent for testing, as recommended. Most of these (11) tested positive for Chlamydia."
Guys I have been reading this thread for a few weeks but never got around to posting anything. I got tested for chlamydia and gonnorhea (Gonorrhea), both negative. Also got tested for HIV, syphlis, and Herpes. I will be getting those results in a couple of days.
What freaked me out was that today I took a close up high-resolution picture of the inside of my meatus, and noticed tiny tiny black dots lining the meatus that had grown red. Behind the red I could see the meatus going back to the normal color, but my meatus was so tight I could barely open it.
This has freaked me out :( I was just wondering has any of you take a high-resolution picture of the inside of meatus and found the same black dots? I can share pictures if anyone wants.
Really scared of this thing :(
I agree, as i also have taken STD tests numerous times only to come back with negative results. I am not imagining this, and yes it started right after oral sex.It has got to be some type of bacteria (not nessessarily an STD, but something that can be spread through oral). The difficult part is, how do you detect what type of bacteria it is. I have taken may prescriptions that did not work, the doctors even say i should be glowing.I think we are in unchartered waters here.
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