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Possible jelqing injury
I decided to try jelqing, believing it would be harmless as long as i didn't feel any discomfort or pain. After about 3 days of jelqing (around 15 minutes) each day, I started to notice my flaccid penis shape changed and became a bit longer. My erection became a bit softer and weaker. I noticed surfacing of some veins near the base of my shaft, which appears purple. I am concerned if I have caused permanent damage. It seems difficult to beleive considering i only jelqed for 3 sessions. I wanted to ask if erectile tissue can be damaged that easily. When I did the jelqing, i didn't do it too forcefully and hard. I only put moderate pressure with each jelqing stroke. I have a preexisting generalized anxiety disorder, and this concern over my penis has only aggravated it. Is erectile tissue that fragile that permanent damage can occur so easily? or am I simply over concerned and worrying too much? I would appreciate any response to this concern
Hello everyone,
I have been making detailed notes, documenting and recording mine and others symptoms for about 2 months now and reading these forums, comparing everything. Here is what I have:
Can anyone relate to all or most of these points?
1. Great variations in size, texture, feeling:
- 25-50% of the time is loose, normal size
- Sometimes light-weight sorta like it has an internal sponge cake texture or filling. Has a basic structure and shape, almost 'normal.'
- Sometimes engorged with blood, very heavy, lead weight. No structure, plump, very dead-like.
- Sometimes takes on a weird 'coke bottle' shape. Like a band is restricting around the middle, while full and plump near the glans.
- Sometimes after the firm-flaccid condition 'releases' for a bit, there is itching on the left and right penile shaft. This can be a symptom of varicose vein formation.
- 50-100% of the time very firm or hard, while retracted to less than normal flaccid length.
- Varicose and/or spider veins forming.
- A 1/2" 'dimple' forming on the fatty pad of the groin, right where the shaft connects.
- A feeling of the penis being 'pulled' in.
- A 'brittle' or' shell-shocked' feeling in the penis when this has persisted for a day or two.
- Visible stress to skin, wrinkling, color spots, redness, irritation, etc.
2. A common complaint is left-side veins 'popping' out or becoming much more prominent, also sometimes accompanied by some pain. I've heard some complain of right-side issues, but I personally have not had much of an issue with that side.
3. Shorter length.
- Usually nocturnal erections are normal length, and sometimes spontaneous are normal length, but many times, especially when other symptoms are present it can be difficult to get to full-length erection...and doing so usually results in some irritation and/or pain afterward.
4. Nocturnal erections variations
- Sometimes no nocturnal erections.
- Sometimes weak nocturnal erections. Not fully rigid.
- Sometimes 'stuck' nocturnal erections that won't go down unless you get up and move around. I am plagued with this about 30-40% of nights...having to get up every couple of hours and make it go down so a priapism doesn't occur. Otherwise it's irritated the next day. I take aspirin for this to prevent inflammation or scarring.
Ok, well I have seen 2 doctors so far and am going to another after Christmas (an andrologist). I have formulated some ideas, and am looking for input or to get the message out there about this condition. Urology doesn't seem to have any diagnosis for this, but perhaps we can change that, or perhaps the field of Andrology (erection doctor) can take up the issue.
Here are my ideas:
1. Veins are not actually 'popping' out on left side, or growing larger (at least not without being compressed first). They are showing up in relief of the pressure around them - of the skin being drawn up. The veins haven't changed, the skin has been drawn tight around them...like when you take something and put in a vacuum bag and remove the air. It forms a surface that follows the contents exactly.
2. Physiological influence has greatly increased it's effects on these symptoms. Particularly the release of natural adrenaline, noradrenaline, and other psychosomatic stress hormones in the body, etc. I don't think anyone disagrees that stress and other physical exertion has a big effect on this, but in this case only makes it worse. It is not the cause of it. Stress and adrenaline are normal effects in the body, but the result of whatever caused this injury shows up now, with this as its trigger in part. Before this condition existed, it simply didn't exert change on the penis that much before, so nobody noticed it that much. I think everyone can probably relate to stress causing an erectile issue, but it is usually short-lived...not persistent.
3. Varicose or darkening (spider) veins appear when blood flow is reduced or their flow mechanism is interrupted. Veins have built-in receptors that control constriction, dilation, and flow direction.
4. Adrenaline and noradrenaline (norepinephrine) both cause smooth muscle contraction, vascular constriction, increased heart-rate, etc. Working out, getting stressed, etc. is a major contributor to this condition.
5. Abstaining from sexual activity generally improves my symptoms. I had to g around and around with this one because there was some conflicting data. Getting a full erection seems to help...especially when it has lots of time to get to that full size, like at night. However, I have also noted with regularity that ejaculation can cause an immediate onset of the firm and flaccid condition, even when it wasn't present prior to the event. Repeated ejaculation in a short time frame magnifies this.
6. The ejaculation mechanism releases noradrenaline locally to trigger orgasm, and is the reason why a man goes flaccid immediately after sex. This hormone causes smooth muscle contraction and vascular resistance. This normally fades away in a few minute to a few hours, but with this condition it persists for even a day or several days.
So, I have come to at least one conclusion...maybe not a cure, but at least some clues as to what this is occurring. Please don't take my word for it, I only offer as a suggestion and it could be wrong...however maybe it has some merit and somebody can get this condition noticed.
So far, my idea of this is that I tend to think at the heart of this is a circulation issue which leaves the penis abnormally exposed to what normally is the usual hormone function of the sympathetic nervous system and sexual function.
I have been making detailed notes, documenting and recording mine and others symptoms for about 2 months now and reading these forums, comparing everything. Here is what I have:
Can anyone relate to all or most of these points?
1. Great variations in size, texture, feeling:
- 25-50% of the time is loose, normal size
- Sometimes light-weight sorta like it has an internal sponge cake texture or filling. Has a basic structure and shape, almost 'normal.'
- Sometimes engorged with blood, very heavy, lead weight. No structure, plump, very dead-like.
- Sometimes takes on a weird 'coke bottle' shape. Like a band is restricting around the middle, while full and plump near the glans.
- Sometimes after the firm-flaccid condition 'releases' for a bit, there is itching on the left and right penile shaft. This can be a symptom of varicose vein formation.
- 50-100% of the time very firm or hard, while retracted to less than normal flaccid length.
- Varicose and/or spider veins forming.
- A 1/2" 'dimple' forming on the fatty pad of the groin, right where the shaft connects.
- A feeling of the penis being 'pulled' in.
- A 'brittle' or' shell-shocked' feeling in the penis when this has persisted for a day or two.
- Visible stress to skin, wrinkling, color spots, redness, irritation, etc.
2. A common complaint is left-side veins 'popping' out or becoming much more prominent, also sometimes accompanied by some pain. I've heard some complain of right-side issues, but I personally have not had much of an issue with that side.
3. Shorter length.
- Usually nocturnal erections are normal length, and sometimes spontaneous are normal length, but many times, especially when other symptoms are present it can be difficult to get to full-length erection...and doing so usually results in some irritation and/or pain afterward.
4. Nocturnal erections variations
- Sometimes no nocturnal erections.
- Sometimes weak nocturnal erections. Not fully rigid.
- Sometimes 'stuck' nocturnal erections that won't go down unless you get up and move around. I am plagued with this about 30-40% of nights...having to get up every couple of hours and make it go down so a priapism doesn't occur. Otherwise it's irritated the next day. I take aspirin for this to prevent inflammation or scarring.
Ok, well I have seen 2 doctors so far and am going to another after Christmas (an andrologist). I have formulated some ideas, and am looking for input or to get the message out there about this condition. Urology doesn't seem to have any diagnosis for this, but perhaps we can change that, or perhaps the field of Andrology (erection doctor) can take up the issue.
Here are my ideas:
1. Veins are not actually 'popping' out on left side, or growing larger (at least not without being compressed first). They are showing up in relief of the pressure around them - of the skin being drawn up. The veins haven't changed, the skin has been drawn tight around them...like when you take something and put in a vacuum bag and remove the air. It forms a surface that follows the contents exactly.
2. Physiological influence has greatly increased it's effects on these symptoms. Particularly the release of natural adrenaline, noradrenaline, and other psychosomatic stress hormones in the body, etc. I don't think anyone disagrees that stress and other physical exertion has a big effect on this, but in this case only makes it worse. It is not the cause of it. Stress and adrenaline are normal effects in the body, but the result of whatever caused this injury shows up now, with this as its trigger in part. Before this condition existed, it simply didn't exert change on the penis that much before, so nobody noticed it that much. I think everyone can probably relate to stress causing an erectile issue, but it is usually short-lived...not persistent.
3. Varicose or darkening (spider) veins appear when blood flow is reduced or their flow mechanism is interrupted. Veins have built-in receptors that control constriction, dilation, and flow direction.
4. Adrenaline and noradrenaline (norepinephrine) both cause smooth muscle contraction, vascular constriction, increased heart-rate, etc. Working out, getting stressed, etc. is a major contributor to this condition.
5. Abstaining from sexual activity generally improves my symptoms. I had to g around and around with this one because there was some conflicting data. Getting a full erection seems to help...especially when it has lots of time to get to that full size, like at night. However, I have also noted with regularity that ejaculation can cause an immediate onset of the firm and flaccid condition, even when it wasn't present prior to the event. Repeated ejaculation in a short time frame magnifies this.
6. The ejaculation mechanism releases noradrenaline locally to trigger orgasm, and is the reason why a man goes flaccid immediately after sex. This hormone causes smooth muscle contraction and vascular resistance. This normally fades away in a few minute to a few hours, but with this condition it persists for even a day or several days.
So, I have come to at least one conclusion...maybe not a cure, but at least some clues as to what this is occurring. Please don't take my word for it, I only offer as a suggestion and it could be wrong...however maybe it has some merit and somebody can get this condition noticed.
So far, my idea of this is that I tend to think at the heart of this is a circulation issue which leaves the penis abnormally exposed to what normally is the usual hormone function of the sympathetic nervous system and sexual function.
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