Dr. Simeons vs. Kevin Trudeau

[GonzoDC]

Until you re-read post 8/31/07, 9/9/07 and 9/21/07 and answer them, the "doctor" is out for you. Don't be selective now. Answer all the questions and points. Don't be afraid.

[Mary 53]

How do we stop B's spamming...it is against the rules of this board. Hoping management catches this. Ridiculous.

Ah, if only that were true...calories in vs. calories out. RIGHT....when someone who actually believes that this is true for alll people...try being in the shoes of a surgically menopausal woman..and that is only ONE scenario...there are thousands of people out there with different circumstances that have made wt. loss extremely difficult no matter what they try. We don't give up though, because that would only make matters worse..And, since my experience falls under the GYN umbrella, I would not wish GYN problems on any one...not even B!  My husband looks in me with awe half of the time knowing how hard I work just stopping the gain and staying balanced hormonally so as to keep the cotton out of my brain (along with the 30 or so other menopausal symptoms many have to endure.




Thanks again for your time on this forum!

Mary

[Mary 53]

LIke forgetting to edit my posts :)



Mary

[SilverRun63]

May I inquire as to what you are trying to gain?  Please don't answer, just do some self-reflecting.  Let's imagine that we are all sheep being led to slaughter and you are not following along.  You are on safe ground!  I don't understand where the level of your anger comes from.  I really hope you are ok.  I will keep you in my prayers.

[GonzoDC]

Quick update. One of my female patients lost 5 pounds the first week but the second week lost only 1 pound but lost 2% body fat that week and had an increase in body water content ( I measure body fat% and water% content in all these pateints as well). She reports no food cravings and at first noticed severely dried skin but has since improved. Her fat is coming off her mid abd area.

My smoking male patient temporarily "fell off the wagon" but has not gained any weight since he stopped the hCG. He is starting it again tomorrow. My other 2 males lost 5 pounds each the first week and are still with me and are coming in tomorrow for second week followup. I have another female patient who only has 10 to 15 pounds to lose who wants to start the hCG diet.She only weighs 138 pounds but has weighed 110 most of her life. She gained the weight in her midsection slowly over the years after 40 years of age. She is 49. I discouraged her at first but she has insisted in starting the diet. So we will see. She may begin next week. I would rather her start bioidentical hormone therapy and see how she improves but she has "events" coming up and wants the weight off asap. And a very interesting fact about her. She is an FDA official. My clinic is 5 minutes away from the FDA. Ironic. We have great conversations.

I am still looking for a smoking female patient eligible for the hCG protocol.

That is it.

[kattraff]

in the 70's when i was younger i never felt hunger on th hcg but this time i did..I called dr. Girod in S Carolina ... he does the hcg there. I asked him if i could be a patient of his again Im in louisiana and thats where he was when i last used him....he called me back and said   he spoke to his attorney and they thought it would not be a good idea to treat me . HCG i guess is illegal in la  any comments?

[imalarry]

get a life.........................IT WORKS, just try it so you will actully know what you are talking about. You have no first hand experince with it as used in weight loss...............its like listening to All Gore say " I invented the internet "............Yea buddy

[going4thin]

I reported my progress to you about a month ago. I've been off the board for awhile...so quick update.   I've been on oral hcg on and off since May (took some vacations).   I've lost 60 lbs to day.  I average 0.77 per day when I'm doing the vlcd correctly.  It does work. So, please keep on helping your patients!

bboss-- forget any reply..I'm just a fatchick in the midwest. Notice I didn't mention a brand name...so I'm not trying to sell anything.

[ItalianMama3]

my goodness you are doing absolutely amazing... can I ask the size of your daily injections and are you following the KT or Dr.S diet guide? I've been following Dr.S but using organic produce, meat and products.

[GonzoDC]

Wow. I am glad it is working for you. May I ask if you are using any supplements or perscription medications along with the hCG protocol?

[GonzoDC]

Please stop posting to me until you have answered my previous questions/posts and/or have paid me the $500 you owe me. I have not made any "claims." I am reporting anecdotal and objective findings. I refer you back to post dated 9/23/07. Please do not answer with a question or one of your "proofs." Just answer those posts as directly as you can.

[GonzoDC]

hCG is not illegal in any state. That one particular lawyer advised that one particular physician not because it is illegal but because it is just not FDA approved. Any unassociated problem can be taken advantage of by a lawyer. The association can be similar to this: If I get into an accident and I am wearing a red shirt when it happens, then that red shirt must be the cause of my accident. In court, that type of logic is used successfully when it comes to associating problems with medical practice. Worse, it doesn;t really go to court, but the physician settles just to avoid the hassle of a prolonged court process. Very sad and puts really good docs out of practice.

[GonzoDC]

That is what I thought.........

[GonzoDC]

You are right, I am not a physician, the world is still flat, the studies done on the effectiveness of antibiotics in the late 1800s and early 1900s is bad becuase, according to your thought process, it was done a long time ago.

And with that idea I shall give you a history lesson: In the 1890s, a young French physican by the name of Dr Duchesne had discovered that if he placed penicillium glaucum from mold with E. coli bacteria cultures, the bacteria died. (By the way, the story of how he decided to research that is interesting in and of itself). Thus establishing formally the idea of "antibiotics." I am sure you have heard of antibiotics, Sir Bboss. However, no one paid attention to his discovery, didn't believe it was worth much and did not allow him to continue this study. Perhaps one of your ancestors.

40 some odd years later, a dude by the name of Alexander Fleming reported the same findings, only he spent a little more time in pursuing and publishing his work and the people around him allowed him to. And was awarded the Nobel Prize........almost 50 years after Dr. Duchesne first reported antibiotics and their effects.

Gee, if we follow your thought process, my dear Bboss ebully, we would not pursue any possibility of a breakthrough that is not really a breakthrough, rather someone (Dr Simeons) who already discovered a true cause and effect a long time ago, we just didn't pay attention to him or worse, we (FDA, Corporate medicine, pharmaceuticals) stepped on him. And of course, people like you who's actions delay progress or worse, step on it altogether.

Whether I am a physician or not is irrelavent to this board of discussion. I do not use the fact that I am or am not a physician to prove or disprove anything. This is a discussion of speculation, anecdotes, studies and hope. All of which you do not seem to grasp.

And you still do not directly answer my response dated  8/31/07, 9/9/07 and 9/21/07. Like a child you are, you will answer with yet another irrelavent question or perhaps more of you "Nuff said retorts."

The world is flat, rock and roll is the devil, Zeus will strike us down.....nuff said.

[imalarry]

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS YOU MORON..................ALL YOU DO IS ASK MORE QUESTIONS...........SO LAME

[GonzoDC]

It's OK. He isn't a moron but he sure has a "world is flat" attitude. Not sure why or what his motivation is. Not sure why he is so stuck on whether I am a physician or not. I don't think he even really reads my posts through, let alone everyone elses. He has a mantra and he is sticking with it.

To all others, just keep posting honestly and we would like to hear more of your questions and experiences.

[imalarry]

Yes, you are right. It totally reminds me of an old person who has just stoped learning. You know some people just get to a point and they are not open to anything new.........ever.

I am on day 16 of the vlcd and down 20.5 lbs. It is awsome

[autoguy]

Just an update, I finished the protocol as prescribed for 40 days (injection into stomach fat though, not muscle) and am now three weeks into my 6 week after-protocol period.  I lost a total of 28 pounds (water, fat, muscle, whatever) during the protocol (using the same scale) and have gained 2 of those pounds back during these first three weeks.  However, I must state that I am not following the inbetween protocol at all (I am eating whatever I want).  After my last protocol (either the second or third depending on success rate), I will follow the after-protocol regimen to reset my metabolism as recommended.

In short, it works as the Doctor stated - if followed.  I can barely wait to start my second protocol in three weeks!  This is, of course, for those who are willing to hear . . .

[imalarry]

I greatlly appreciate hereing from you. Great work,. Now when you say anything you want are you eating refined foods or organic foods ?

[GonzoDC]

Update

My 28 y/o nurse who lost 5 pounds the first week, and one pound the second week but 2% body fat as of today lost another 5 pounds this past week. She feels great. She stops the hCG this week because she begins her menstrual cycle today.

Total of 11 pounds in 3 weeks. Not bad.

[GonzoDC]

No answers for you. I am making all this up.

[autoguy]

I am eating whatever I want, although "what I want" has been somewhat modified.  I do not eat fast food at all.  I am minimizing refined sugars, but not cutting them out completely.  I am avoiding breads/pastas (except maybe once a week as a treat) because I find that my weight increases significantly the day after eating them (water retention I believe).  My portions have also been significantly reduced based on what my mind now tells me that I "need".

I have had no ill effects (that I know of) from the diet, I feel great, and am certainly appreciating all of the positive comments that I have received from family/friends/colleagues.

Bboss - I honestly don't know, or care, whether it was water, fat, or muscle that I lost.  What I can tell you is that I lost 4 inches from my waist, 3 inches from my hips, and 3.5 inches from my chest.  All of those areas look and feel more toned than they have in a long time (essentially since I stopped doing free weights in college).  You clearly do not care for data and I don't really know why I bother to reply to you, but you are interesting (kind of like how a train wreck is interesting).

[imalarry]

Thanks for the response. I will be entering phase 3 in about 12 days. I have lost 21 lbs and like you I have lost major inches in the right places. I have not lost a bit of strength. I think it is great you have modifyed your eating habits and no doubt this will give you long term sucess. Please keep me informed of your progress.

BOSS.............NO ANSWERS FROM YOU...........NO ANSWERS FOR YOU

[mystikldrmr]

I have a question that I hope you may be able to help me with.  Have you known of anyone who has completed the protocol that has had any prior abdominal surgeries and had great success with their weight loss results??

[GonzoDC]

no.

[Mary 53]

Hi,

I have just started Phase ll on the hCG plan and I had major abdominal surgery (total or radical hysterectomy...took practically EVERYTHING insde me) in September 2000.

I have eaten very healthfully for most of my adult life (I am 54 now) and maintained a 48 pound wt. loss  (accomplished healthfully in college) up until I hit the Perimenopausal years (around age 43 - 45). I use bioidentical hormones and they have been a lifesaver, but then this year I also stuggled with a ruptured disk that was not diagnosed until just recently (my symptoms presented rather uniquely and so the orthopedic doctor missed the Dx. back in January), so I suffered much pain over the winter and I got off track with my 5-6 day a week workouts and lost tone and gained about 10 pounds..on top of the 10 - 15 pounds I was trying to lose before the debilitating pain from the ruptured disk set in.

I did not know how this program would work for me since I have eaten carefully for years and years and at times probably have undereaten (definitely hitting the 500-600 calorie mark on many days and showing a GAIN the next day, obviously messing up my metabolism)....I have been at wits end regarding what to do to get the weight off since diet and exercise were certainly part of my lifestyle and have given me many pluses, except for the wt. loss I desired.

But I can tell you that I lost about 3 pounds in the month leading up to the second phase of the program. I did not do any of the clenses (I eat very high fiber, so that helps) and although my family eats organic frequently, it is not a must in this house. I have not had food from a fast food place (ok... a chicken salad with a tbls. of dressing occasionally) for about 10 years. I gave up Diet Soda Pop for good six months ago and I am a water drinker. Yet, still, I lost a few pounds and was eager to start the program shots. I am down about 3 pounds since Monday, Oct. 1 (I did a two day load but did not have a big appetite to gorge but I did eat heartily I guess)....so, I am very pleased. I can "feel" it....and, I have felt well on top of it.

If you have specific questions that relate to the abdominal surgery issue, let me know....I did have to deal with major adhesions years ago, but found a program using a special deeeeep massage that cleared up the adhesions (Thank Goodness...how painful those were).

Take care...

Mary

[mystikldrmr]

Thank you for the response.  You actually answered another question for me that I had.  I wondered about organic vs. non-organic.  I would rather to eat organic but buying it is a bit costly for my budget.  I'm sure that only time will tell regarding my question of the effects of the protocol and prior abdominal surgeries.  However, you are already beginning to be a positive result.  Three lbs in two days is awesome!!

[mystikldrmr]

Thank you anyway.

[mystikldrmr]

You obviously had me confused with someone who was talking to you.

[onvibrate]

hcg has been 'as advertised' for me. for the first time in my life, i dieted without being hungry, run down, grumpy, and thinking about food all day! i even had to make myself eat the puny meals sometimes! the biggest miracle was that for the first time in my lifelong dieting experience, i lost the ugly pouches of fat that were "stuck" on the upper part of each of my hips FIRST. i usually always lost muscle and water, and the good fat around my joints -causing arithitis, and the chest! - everything but those ugly pockets of fat. I LOST THE "STUCK" POUCHES OF FAT!!!! i have never lost there before!! hear me? it's awesome being shaped right for the first time in my adult life! i encourage everyone who has trouble losing weight just by eating right and exercise alone, to try this diet.

[onvibrate]

Just call me a liar son?

Oh yeah… yes… because that's the only way it knows how to "debate"!

Dr. G. Here's my picture definition of a "moron"
…someone who sits inside a box and describes the universe as a small, dark, cube-shaped area. The moron thinks it knows everything and that it is right about everything! Of course! Hasn't it stared at the box and studied every inch of the box for a very, very long time. The evidence is there, isn't it?! Someone walks up to the box and in a far off sounding voice says, "Hey, the earth is round and it's part of an infinite universe". From within the box comes a reply to that far away sounding voice …"LIAR". (It IS very smug, you know. That is a symptom of believing you know everything). Even after many months and at least 3 different ID's, it hasn't learned anything. Still calling everyone spammers.

I can't respond to the above post as if it made sense.
and, my post was to everyone but 'it'.

[ItalianMama3]

check your medhelp email...

[imalarry]

Get em vibrate .....................hey, try to get him to tell you what he competes at at 147 lbs.

[onvibrate]

i don't care what he does. he can't even understand that i just DID deny everything that he just said.
i KNOW that i am losing that 'stuck' fat without surgery. can't fool me on that one!!

[GonzoDC]

Let's get back on track with hCG protocol, followups, and alternatives. I will be out of town for the next week lecturing. Can't wait to return and see what's new on this thread.

[onvibrate]

he's always got to reprimand his unruly children. be good while he's gone!

on track..but thanks.

[txredhead]

I am a 58 year old widow.  This is my first time in this forum.  I just HAD to share.  I have tried everything to lose weight in my life and nothing worked for long.  I started the Releana program on Wednesday, September 27th. I weighed in at 218 lbs.  They took my measurements at the first appointment.  On October 3rd, I weighed in at 210.5.  I went home from the doctor's office and measured (since they only do it there once a month).  I had lost 1" in each upper arm, 2" in my waist, 2" in my hips, and 3" in EACH thigh.  This time period included the 2 days of eat, eat, eat.  I have had no cravings and absolutely no hunger.  THIS IS WONDERFUL. You step on the scale every morning and see a loss.  You get dressed and you feel it more in your clothes than you do on the scale.  You want to keep going just to get to the next day and get on the scale again.

[onvibrate]

awesome!!!!! thank you for posting!!
I, too, have never felt so good on a diet, especially with only eating so little food. dieting before, without hcg, on an 800-1200 calorie diet would always drive me crazy. and all i thought about all day and wanted to do was to eat more! now i have to remember to make myself eat the 500.

[txredhead]

[txredhead]

I guess the program I'm in is doing things a little different.  The diet they gave me with the Releana is a 700-800 calorie a day.  Very limited on types on veggies and types of protein--no fat, bread, alcohol, or milk products.  The easy part is you can either have something on the diet or you can't have it--no counting anything.  I'm actually anxious for Wednesday to get here so I can weigh and measure again.

[onvibrate]

yeah, everyone has different variations of the diet and i don't any hear complaints from anyone on hcg, oral or not, who is dissatisfied (except maybe one person on another thread who probably got a bad batch of hcg). today is Wed. let us know!!

[txredhead]

I was down another 2 lbs (total of 9.5), another inch in my waist, another 2 in my hips, and another 1/2 in each thigh and upper arm. I Love It.

[veggiegal]

I wish I lived near you so I could participate in your study.  I'm just getting started and am a vegetarian.  I've heard that my success won't be as good as that of a meat eater.  Do you have any suggestions for me on protein sources since soy is out?  I'm planning on using fat free cottage cheese, egg whites and "Quorn" products which are micoproteins and egg white based.  Might also supplement with fat free cheese.  How much protein should we get in a day?  

I live in a small town in the south and no one here, including the pharmacists, have heard of this diet.  

[ldlonline]

Wow.  I got through almost all of the postings in this forum but I admit I had to skip a few with a lot of capital letters...

What I see here is what I've experienced my entire life.  I've been morbidly obese for 19 years.  I have done darned near every recommended (and some controversial) program by every doctor and every well-meaning thin person.  I've also done the programs recommended by well-meaning obese persons.  And still, to this day, not a single one has helped me.  However, every single one of those programs helped SOMEONE.  This proves to me that every single body, while it's main functions are the same, has many differences in the way it handles every single thing in your life.  With so many different bodies in the world, we're all just out here trying to find something that works for each one of us.

My doctor, upon seeing my blood results, asked if she could show my results to a different doctor.  She never mentioned my weight to him, simply handed him the blood test results.  His opinion of me:  athletic and fit.  Athletic and fit?  I beg to differ!  Her method proved to me that all the little numbers reported by all the different doctors, labs, governments, food agencies... these numbers treat each of us differently.  How is it possible for an obese adult to have an overactive thyroid, low cholesterol, totally normal blood pressure, normal tryglicerides, etc.?  I wish I knew how it was possible, for if I knew, I would know the cure for my body.  However, the knowledge of the cure for my own body, again, may simply not be the cure for anyone else.

I began the hcg injections on 11/8.  I find I am able to maintain the 500-calorie diet without hunger or weakness, which I was unable to do previously.  Something is working for me.  I don't care how :-)  After way too much research about my own body I'm happy to say I don't care how it works, just IF it works.  And for me, so far, it does.

And so, having been entirely too long-winded, I would like to say "good for you!" to anyone who is trying to find the way out of an overweight body, whatever that path may be for you!

Thank you to everyone for being so open with their stories!  

[lastdiet]

An interesting thing I noted is that during my ovulation days my weight loss dropped and then picked up again.  Dr. Simeons does say that this happens often.  The other "symptom" I have experienced is the muscular weakness which Dr. Simeons also talks about.  Thank God for the manuscript.. it keeps me with the program.  Everytime I think that its not working or something bad is happening, he seems to explain everything.  I started at 150 pounds and after 15 injections 13 VLCD I have lost 12 pounds.  My Goal is to be 130.  I am expecting these last 7 pounds to be harder to lose.  We will see. I am very interested to hear the Dr.'s patient results.  I had a Naturopath who works with a conventional Dr prescribe the shots to me here in Canada.  I use 125 IU and I inject subq.. The doctor told me that since Dr. Simeons times new research has shown that subq injections are just as effective... Can Dr. Gonzo confirm this? So far it seems to be working just fine for me.  Also, I hav noticed that my weight loss slows if I do not weigh my food.  So make sure you dont go by the eye.  

[lastdiet]

I should also not that I put my mother on this diet with me... 4 days after doing injections she got her period (unexpected because she is going through meanopause) So she did not inject for 4 days - she was not hungry until the end of the 4th day and on the 5th morning she was starving but this went away soon after the injections... so here are her stats... After 10 injections and 12 VLCD (she started one day after me) She has gone from 156 pounds to 145.  We have found that we are both losing in the areas we thought we were never going to get rid of...our legs.  We both have very heavy legs... I dont ever recall seeing my mom with such thin legs its as though all of her weight is coming off of there.  and for me... I had large hips that everyone is noticing dissapear!  I have done Atkins after the birth of each of my children and yes I lost weigth but I was never able to lose in my legs... I seemed to get skinny in areas I did not want to get skinny in.  This is making me lose weight in areas that I thought I was just born to have because my mom has it too but now we are both losing in those areas!  Amazing!

[GonzoDC]

Sorry. Been very busy. All patients but 2 have done well on this protocol. One had lifestyle issues and I had to take one off the protocol this week only after 8 days. She had lost 8 pounds but was still craving sweets and food. A real craving. I knew she would not keep the protocol up despite wanting to because she was losing weight. I think she has a gut issue that needs specific treatment first before we restart the hCG protocol.

An intersting note. I have 4 military individuals who did their physical fitness test whilel on the 500 cal diet. They all felt great, passed their tests (one for the first time in 2 years). I had advised the first one not to do the test because I was concerned with the 500 cal diet. But the person did it anyway (necessity) and did very well so I allowed the others to do it. I find it interesting that they felt good.

Dry skin seems to be an issue with many patients. But most improve after the 18th day or so. Some state that their skin improved significantly, especially the acne prone patients.

Anyway, I am continuing to provide this for patients. I am trying to see if I can modify the protocol a bit to be more friendly using different supplements. But those protocols are 6 to 12 months away. We will see.

LASTDIET: I use sq injections mostly. My patients do well with it. I use 150 IUs.

DrG

[grateful120]

I started the gorge on 11/08 too!  I am only 5'2" and my start weight was 174.6.  I was surprised when I read my chart in the Drs. office and it said "mildly obese".  I knew I was overweight, but I had never thought of myself as obese until I read that.  I weighed between 110 and 118 after my two children (26 and 23 years ago) and my weight has steadily increased year after year.  Included in the increases was my blood pressure, cholesterol, sleep apnea, menopause and getting winded after minimal exertion.  I am only 47 years old, yet I already have  serious problems.  I decided to use Hcg after reading all of results of how the body seemed to "heal" itself.  I want to live a long, happy, healthy life. The heart disease that runs in my family is the #1 reason for me to get back down to a "normal" weight.  

[ldlonline]

Speaking of how the body seems to heal itself, I'm beside myself that after 5 years of reflux medication, I have been without for 4 days now.  4 days may not seem like a very long time, but let me tell you what, previously if I missed even one single dose it was the worst experience of my life.  It cost me an entire night's sleep and such stomach pain I could hardly breathe.  36 hours seemed to be the longest I could be without a dose.

So, it's been 4 days now, and not a single pain.  Oh, and I'm not on any of my other medications either anymore.  :-)

[Carol C.]

Geez what a lot of posts, a lot of good information, and a lot of garbage!  Everyone is different, that is true.  I just know that for me, HCG is working, and it's the first thing that's really worked for me in 37 years, since I lost weight in my 20s on Weight Watchers but then put it all back on, and so on.

Someone said it won't work if you're not on the 500-cal diet.  That is simply just not true.  I am doing this under a doctor's supervision (Salisbury, NC), and we don't even count calories.  We concentrate on protein first, veggies, fruit (with exercise).  Most of my carbs come from veggies and fruit.  I haven't eaten bread, pasta, potatoes for 2 months, and I don't miss them at all.  I used to eat mayonnaise on just about EVERYTHING, and I had some the other day and it was nasty to me.  I have NO cravings for things that I don't need to be eating.

I'm also on Phentermine, half a tab twice a day.  I think it's 35 mg total.  I could look, but I can't reach the bottle right now.  I AM NOT HUNGRY.

The first month I lost 12 pounds.  The 2nd month I've lost 5.6 pounds.  Plus 5.5 inches, but I think it's a little more than that, because of the way the measure and the way my clothes feel.

The big thing, to me, is that when I give myself the injection - at first, I couldn't even "squeeze up" some flesh to push the needle into.  But now I can easily!  I can feel with my hands the difference in my body tissue.  I used to be solid, firm - but now I'm getting softer and squishy.  I can feel that the fat under the skin is melting away.  I can feel bones I wasn't sure I still had!

I feel wonderful!  I know this is working, and for me, this is the answer to my lifelong weight problem.  We're allowed a "cheat" day once a week, but I don't even want one.  If something comes up and there's something with a little more carb than I usually eat, I'll eat it, but then protein right after.  Or a little extra body movement.

It DOES work, that's all I know for sure.  The HCG helps to metabolize the "abnormal" fat - the excess fat under the skin.  The body has a certain amount of fat that it needs around the organs, the muscles.  That is "normal" fat.  (This is my understanding.)  

IF I could stick to a 500-cal diet, I might lose weight, in fact, I did once years ago, but I got sick because they limited other things in the diet that were not good.  I had to stop doing that diet.  AND I was hungry all the time.  But I don't think any other diet (not that I've tried, at least, and I've tried just about all of them) will burn fat quite just the way HCG does.  I've NEVER felt this difference in my body before.  

It's the results that are more telling.  Oh- and let's not let Big Pharma get hold of HCG - it will be so expensive that we can't afford it, IF they will allow us to even have it.  That's another thing I like about it.  It's not been researched to death and tested on animals and doesn't have millions in research dollars tied up in it.  Case studies, yeah, but let's just keep it our little secret to share with our friends, ok?  ;-)

[lastdiet]

Funny... you are posting your message everywhere!  Who pays you for this?  How much do you get paid?  50 cents per post?  I feel sorry for you!  You should find a more meaningful job!

[GonzoDC]

Uh, yeah, I know those studies, I have quoted them before. Aren't you the guy that said old studies are useless? But now you post 1963 studies. Remember the posts we had of that way back when? At least you have learned that older studies are OK. Now learn to balance your research.Dude, you forgot to balance those studies with  the studies that show it works or "may work." I also think you are getting paid to post this way. Please, read all the studies. Your "reseasrch" is biased.

Independant of anything is the fact that people are seeing that it works for themselves. I have a clinic full of them. And yes, if you read, I mention the ones that the protocol does not work for. Dude, let it go. Or learn to be objective.

Anyway, to ALL:It is important to note that we do not know exactly how this affects metabolism. We see the weight come off and so far, I have seen people keep the weight off after they go to a healthy, mostly organic 1500 cal or more diet. I have not evaluated a higher cal diet but I heard of a clinic in FL that does a modified 800 and 1000 cal diet that works for patients. I just don't know what their post protocol success rate is. I am working on a more friendly 800 cal diet that includes a specific high antioxidant supplement (yes Dude, I make money off the supplement but it is legit and not something OTC from GNC or Walmart). I am hoping this new protocol is more user friendly and allows for a positive metablism change.

DrG

[grateful120]

Thank you!  You just put that maniac in his place.  I read your post that told of some people that it simply didn't work for.  It seems to me that if you have it in your head that it won't work~it won't.
There is always more than one way to approach something, so thank you for testing new ways for us.

[lastdiet]

I love reading your posts and realy respect your opinion... can you help me with my dilema?

I had my 22nd injection today... and then I got my period.  I was only planning on doing the minimum 23 injections on Round 1 because of going away and bla bla bla..... so now I dont know what to do...I know you are not supposed to inject when you have your period but I want to get this last one in so that I can do my last 3 VLCD while on my period and then be done before I go away.  

Please help answer some of my questions bellow!

What are my options?
1.  Should I inject the last one anyway?  Why are you not supposed to?  Will something bad happen?
2.  Should I just end this phase having done 22 injections instead of 23?  Will there be any serious consequences?
3.  Are you supposed to still lose while on you menses and or while you are doing your last 3 VLCD's?
4.  When moving into phase 3 do you cound your last weight as of the date you last injected or as of the last day of your last 3 VLCD's?

Any insight would realy realy help!

My stats by the way are:
Start weight 150 - after 20 VLCD down 15 pounds.  I was hoping to reach 130 so I will be back for another round after Christmas to lose those last 5 and probably those few extra holiday pounds which I am sure to acquire!  This has been more amazing then I ever thought... for anyone considering it.... please do it!  You will not regret it!  My mom is also doing this with me and she started at 156 pounds and after 19 VLCD she has lost 14 pounds and she had to stop injecting for 4 days due to unexpected menses which came after only 4 days of injecting.  She is going through meanopause (thus the unexpected period)  Anyhow, we both felt amazing during this time... and love our new healthy eating!  We have been eating fish and chicken everyday and sometimes beef.  Good luck to all!

[GonzoDC]

Unfortunately, I do not know enough about you and am not your primary physician in this protocol to answer your questions directly as they apply to you.

In general, there is no serious consequences to injecting hCG on the first day of a menstrual cycle. Yes, you are going to lose weight on the VLCD during your cycle. In general, it really doesn't matter when youcount your last weigh -in. However, I would count it on your last day of the VLCD.

Nice job on the weight loss. It does work very well for many people. The real plus is your new healthy diet and real solid behavior change that will bring better health to you for years to come. I am excited for you.

Have you had lab work done to check you cholesterol, glucose, insulin, kidney and liver function before you did the diet? anytime in the past year? It would be interesting to see how your cholesterol and blood surgar has been affected.

DrG

[lastdiet]

Unfortunately I did not have lab work done.  I have however gone to a naturopath that does live blood screening and he told me that my cholestero was way too high abut 6 months ago.  I guess he could see it in my blood sample.  I plan on going back to him to see if my blood has had any massive change.  He can detect candida in your system, parasites etc.  

I plan on doing phase 2 again after Christmas as I did not lose as much as I wanted to.  I am one of those skinny fat people.  On the surface I dont look like I need to lose weight but when I take my clothes off you would say "ahhh ok I see what you are talking about"  So I hope to get down to 125 in my next round.

I have had 3 children in the last 4 years and after each one I did Atkins and it worked to a certain extent... but I never had the reshaping that I am having now!  I have lost from the areas I used to think I was just born with but now I know that its not that I was born with genticaly heavy legs and hips... that is where I store my secure fat deposits... I always seemed to get skinnier and skinnier in areas I was already skinny in on Atkins and this is what has been verry different with this diet.  

I hope that you keep treating patients with this diet and I hope you keep posting your results with them.

Thanks for you help

[leelo81]

Is this safe for diabetics?

[phslaxmom]

I live in Maryland and am interested in becoming one of your hCG patients.  Are you taking new patients at this time?  I sent an e-mail to Atlantis MedSpa in Silver Spring, but have not received an answer.  Thanks for any information you can give me.

[GonzoDC]

In general, it is safe for diabetics as long as they are well controlled and do not have multiple significant active health issues. It is very patient dependant and would need to be in coordination with your physician. Again, basic blood laboratory work needs to be assessed prior to starting.

phslaxmom: Did the clinic get back to you? I am now taking new hCG patients. Let me know if we have not got back to you.

DrG

[phslaxmom]

They did and I will see you on Wednesday.  I am very excited!

[GonzoDC]

If I do not get a hold of you before then, please bring any blood/lab work that you have had done over the past year. If you haven't had any, don't worry, we will talk. Also, bring me a diet diary if you have done one already from any time period, if you haven't done one, then write down exactly what you eat and drink each day till we see each other. Do not eat for me, eat what you normally eat.

Am looking forward to seeing you!

DrG

[GonzoDC]

P.S.
I know that some physicians/clinics to not give you your blood work results directly, you can have your clinic fax the results directly to my clinic. The number is the same area code and prefix you have for the clinic. XXX-XXX-2788 or just call tomorrow and ask the fax number or find it on the web site. Still not sure how much to trust the population on this thread, if you know what I mean!

DrG

[MiStoGirly]

I just started the Hcg protocol before xmas. I lost 17 pounds in the first 10 days, I know I had some water to lose. I am in the DC/VA area. I am happy to provide labs, diet logs and documentation to support your case study. I am a qualitative researcher myself.

[GonzoDC]

Excellent.And good for you for starting during the holidays. Do you folllow the protocol as per Dr Simeons? What dose of hCG do you use? email me at info@atlantismedispacom.

[ms_delta]

I have been on Phase 2 for 24days.  My skin is so dry it is cracking.  What can I put on it that will not stop the weight loss?  I know that most things do because I have tried.  Please help.
Jan

[veggiegal]

I used Vaseline and it worked pretty well.  Doesn't seem to get absorbed into the skin, but keeps moisture in.  Be sure to drink a lot of water or other liquids.

[mismolly]

what do you think about clenbuterol for 2 weeks 20 40 40 60 60 80 80 100 100 80 80 60 40 20 then stop and take T3 for 2 weeks also tapering up and down then repeating again? my friend had really great results but i was more afraid of the T3 use...my blood work showed i was borderline low in T3 thanks for any input I know this is really off the hcg topic but I figured I would ask anyway.

[delmem]

Hi Dr G !

Long time no talk to. See you're still fighting the good fight as far as blogs go.  (We'd talked long ago, hCG possibly interrupting glycogen/glucagon release forcing your body into a state of lipolysis/ketosis almost instantaneously, the value of monitoring ketone levels while on hCG)

Anywhoo - if you'd like I have stats for a mid 30's female smoker through approx 30 days on 150IU of hCG, daily weights, ketone levels, periodic measurements of thighs, waist, etc.

A new group of 3 just started this week, down 3, 5 & 12 lbs respectively, 3 of us who have already completed approx 30 day VLCD course all lost between 25-35 lbs.  

I'd stopped hCG towards the end of December last year - just got back from a 3 week vacation where I munched down on fast food quite a bit. To my amazement - after 3 weeks of junk had only gained 2 lbs.   Wondered if you're far enough along to review any clinical data of your patients that would add merit to Simeon's theory about resetting the hypothal, and making it harder to rebound once coming off the protocol.

Not sure if you check out YouTube - there's a gent in Canada who, if things go as planned - is creating a documentary of a group of 5-10 on the protocol. He's mentioned having weekly body scans done at the U of Winnipeg Manitoba which will determine scientifically how much of the pounds lost are adipose tissue loss vs. water or muscle mass. Exciting to think of the possibilities...        

As far as the specific question posed in this thread - all of us did Simeon's exclusively, no Trudeau steps at all (didn't cleanse, get high colonics or go all organic, used equal or splenda to sweeten, drank diet colas for above mentioned losses) Sure, all organic might be better for you, yes, perhaps we all would have lost more if we had. Without the extra hassles & embarrassments - we all feel very fortunate with our progress thus far.

[Genanne]

Do you know an insurance company that covers malpractice insurance for hcg injections for weight loss?

[Maggi380]

Hi,
I just wanted to let people know that if you are ordering on the internet, please be aware that globalweightlosscure.com is a TOTAL SCAM.  I have begun legal proceedings against them, they promise a tracking number, but after you order, you get NO INFORMATION about the company.  You will notice on their website there is NO CONTACT INFORMATION, just a form.  My credit card was charged and the number given is not a legit number, it DOESN'T EXIST.  I know there are legit sites, but this is not one.

If anyone else has been ripped off, please let me know, I am gathering information to give to the state attorney general and to the attorney's that have prosecuted kevin trudeau for his other scams.  i hope to get at least some of the money back.

It's a shame, the site looks legit, but it's a total sham! It says it is associated with kevin trudeau, and I am sooo upset that I have been ripped off for $200.00.  I intend to do everything I can to get my money back and to help stop others from getting ripped off.  

[meadwench]

Just wanted to say that both you and this thread have been very interesting!! Dr. Gonzo, you had posted the first 40 of a list of articles you had collected (I think it was you). I grabbed a copy of the list for my notes. Do you have the other 50 or however many? I'd love to see them!!

Thanks,

Vicky

[mommy2boys4me]

I'm going to be starting the hcg on Feb 27th. I've read the book The Weightloss Cure, but lost on the phases. Phase 1 doesn't say what to eat, just has the do's and don't. Do I eat all organic and only eat 500 calories. I guess I'll find out at my doctor's appointment. I'm spending 600.00 to do this, seems like alot. Just wondering if anyone else has any suggestions?!  Thanks.

[utahhcgnp]

Just found this site tonight, and have been excited to be reading through it.  I am a midlevel practitioner who actually prescribes HCG to many patients.  I started the protocol myself about 12 days ago, because I a) wanted to test it out and have personal first hand experience and b) have some weight to lose before a wedding.  I am happy to report that thus far, I have lost 10.5 lbs and 8 inches overall in my measurements, and couldn't be happier!  I'm not having a hard time doing the diet, I don't get hungry, the only bad thing maybe is that I'm drinking so much more water I'm running to the restroom constantly.  I feel better, my clothes fit better, and I'm positive this will work well for my patients (just started working a few weeks ago).  So everyone keep up the good work, and stay strong!  The benefits of weight loss are so beneficial to your health.  If anyone is looking for a great hcg clinic in utah I know one or two.

[amalane]

i am 18 years young and i just had a baby i am 150 ponds ugh! i have alot of friends who are doing the hcg shot and are getting amazing results! i really want to do it but im a bit scared. i dont know if i would like qualify for it. i just am worried about getting sick, or something. also, everyone i know is buying it off a website for a fairly good deal, and doing the shot themselves, no doctors involved at all. can anyone help me???? is this thing safe?? a good idea for me??

[colleencoble]

I'm so excited to get started! My shots came today and I just took my first one. I immediately ate something fatty to start the loading. This forum has been very helpful and informative. I've had a weight problem all my life once I hit puberty, then lost both ovaries to ruptured cysts and had a hysterectomy at 23. Since then the weight struggle has been constant. I've talked to several people who have tried this protocol and kept the weight off so I'm very optimistic! I guess I'd better hurry and take my measurements!

[Ed400]

HCG works...

I was a big kid since the age of 3 (Husky) in 8th grade I weighed 230lbs until I reached almost 400lbs 4 months ago.  The lowest weight I have ever achieved in my life was 225lbs in 1988 and that was because I got a sick. I have tried every diet over the last 45 years, at times I even spent 2-3 hours per night on a stationary bike, nothing worked. My metabolism was so slow and nothing helped.

Since the age of 6 my mom had me in Weight Watchers and it did not help it just made me feel ridiculed and scared me for life. I got older and I tried the Deal a meal, Jenny Craig and the body make over . I even tried prescription weight loss pills to help with the hunger pains of eating 800 calories a day.  The hunger pains always sucked and the pills did not work in fact these prescription pills killed several people.

In all I lost very little and gained even more, a lot more 400lbs.  I ate like a bird, skipped meals and nothing worked, so I gave up. I have been look down on, made fun of and treated like I was lazy, even if I worked 90 hours per week and did more than others around me and yet others got promoted. I was sick of being fat and about to get stapled when I found HCG.

I was afriad that it was all lies plus I hate needles. So I gave it a shot and something weird started to happened I actually started to care about what goes into my body.

Then a miracle within 2 days of starting the 500 calorie diet I had no hunger pains, I was not grumpy and I did not feel tired. The HCG made me feel like I can finally lose weight and keep it off and I have It has been 80 days and I have lost 105lbs and went from a size 57 to a 46 in my pants sizes.  I have no sagging skin and my body is keeping my muscle structure and I feel great. So I can tell you it works.. It works, it works.. Why have I been lied to all these years by doctors, why do they still lie today.

I am now 289lbs and plan on loosing another 90lbs.

[Nonni77]

Congratulations, I have been reading through this thread trying to understand what this is all about and my personal story is laden with hard work and little success also.  An undiagnosed thyroid problem has left me 120 pounds overweight.  And I am searching for answers.  I don't eat fast food, junk, sodas etc.
How are you doing now?  I am so curious.  I am scared to try this, one of my attempts at weight loss gave me hives for days.  Most other efforts low cal, low carb, high exercise all combinations and variants have caused exhaustion.  Thank-you.

[arosemom]

I am 30 yrs old. Have had weight problems all my life. I am 250 lbs. My friends mother is doing the program and has had tremendous success. However, what I want to know is.. I have given birth recently and have had two abdominal surgeries. Not including two c sections. Alot of the post I see on here are from older folks. How does it work if you have all these issues? Anybody..?

[got_nd]

HCG can work with almost anyone. I say almost, because there are a few conditions which are dangerous to do this on  your own. It is best if you have a physician that knows the program and can monitor your progress. However, it shouldnt be affected by previous surgeries. If you are on medications, the hcg should not affect your medications (except possibly birth control and insulin - hcg has been used as a fertility drug, although in much larger doses - as you lose weight, your need for insulin might get lower and you would have to monitor your dosages very carefully under a doctor's supervision) Age shouldn't be a factor.
I think the biggest thing would be : Are you willing to stick to the diet and give yourself daily injections? If you can do both those things, you will probably be able to do this protocol. (The hcg makes it so you can stick to a 500 cal diet without feeling the hunger pangs.)
Want more information? try advancehcg(dot)com. They have a video that explains it pretty well.

[jade228]

Will this work if I had preeclempsia (sp?) and boarderline toximia when pregnant?  That was five years ago, but I put on nearly 100 pounds between switching meds to get pregnant and then the pregnancy.  The first 40 came off and stayed off, but the next 30 pounds have yo-yo'd. My son was born at 35 weeks, healthy. :)  I am really glad I didn't get to find out just how much weight I could have put on.  Will the hcd trigger this to happen again or was it a lack of hcd that contributed to the problem in the first place?

[jade228]

Sorry about the typos.  Dark room. hCG not hcd
*proof read BEFORE hitting post*

[fatandtired]

Okay, so I've been reading up on HCG all day.  I like the idea of the drops rather than injections.  However, I have a few questions.  Three years ago I went to a doctor for bioidentical hormones.  They did nothing except make me gain weight and feel terrible.  She told me I was low on progestine and testostrone, but my estrogen was high.  I'd been on an estrogen supplement for years.  I was so upset.  Well,  I had a physical recently and at age 53 I'm not even premenopausal?  Doesn't HCG have estrogen in it?  Also, my sister was diagnosed with estrogen positive breast cancer years ago.  So I'm wondering if this will help me take off my extra 50 pounds.    

[theprincess911]

The Princess. I have not started the hcg diet yet but am very interested i will be following the kev tru book eating the organic food. if someone has tried that please give me some feed back i ordered my hcg from another country and im using the intramuscular needles. i heard if you keep the hcg for longer than for days it loses it s potency.