Dr.Simeons Hcg Diet Group

[ItalianMama3]

For those of you looking to keep discussion going with others following the SAME diet plan you are on. As outlines in the Dr.Simeons manscript and Kevin Trudeau book.

[girleegirl71]

I'm here!!
Ok, so maybe we can start by posting our progress so far on SIMEONS?
I am down 15.2 lbs in 22 days...have had great progress up until about 3 days ago where I've had NO loss, very weird, although I haven't "cleaned out" in a WEEK!. Doing an apple day today, hoping for some success tomorrow! This is getting discouraging!

[ubflossn]

hey ya'll!!!  we're here

[ubflossn]

i know what you mean about the discouragement.  i'm at the same wt i was a week ago.  i had some ups and some downs but all in all i've had 21days vlcd and i'm down 14.6lbs.  i can't seem to get out of the 170's and i'm bummed.  the firt week i took off 9lbs.  i think my iu concentration was a little higher so i mixed a new batch and that put me at 200iu/dose.  maybe that'll do it? keep it up......we're that much closer to our goals!!

[Eruaistaniel]

My progress so far is 14 1/2 lbs in 18 days.  I weighed in at 168.5 this morning.  I know how some of you feel about getting frustrated.  I was stuck at 170.5 for 3 days about 3 days ago.  I finally dropped 1/2 a pound on the 4th day though.  If I hadn't had a colon treatment scheduled on that 3rd day I probably wouldn't have dropped that 4th day.  I've been taking the Dr. Schulze for 3 days but no results yet.  

[Lindaloo]

I'm here too girls!!

[ItalianMama3]

o.k so I am 13 pounds down in 15 days. Four days I was at the same weight, didn't complete the apples all day because I was wek and not feeling well. I'm up a smidge today but I don't care. I mixed a new batch up and wondered since the pharmacist helped me mix it to keep me at a 150 dose can I just pull up to the 2.00 mark on the syringe or will it not work? I want a higher dose.

[girleegirl71]

Well it looks like we are still running the same course together, so THATS at least encouraging! Maybe its a quiet phase before the upswing of things!!

You say you mix your own stuff....I want to order some from drugdelivery so I can be prepared for a 2nd round (I am sure I will be doing one!) I orig ordered from NHW so I really dont know what I need...ddca says it comes in 1500, 2000, 5000, or 10000 ius. How much do I need? Also does it come with the bac water or do I need to order that too? Help!

I am hoping to drop another 5lbs before Monday, that will put me at 166..I am going to Vegas for 3 days for my bday!!!! I think I'm gonna take a few days break from the diet while I"m there, I havent been out of this house in almost 18 months! I will be good (I actually loathe the idea of cheating! I am so motivated on this diet!), but anyway, I'm thinking if I can drop a few more pounds if I happen to gain a few back during my trip I wont be so upset!! I'm gonna really try to just do protein and veggies when I'm there but I KNOW I'm gonna HAFTA hit ONE buffet while I"m there...I mean, its VEGAS. Thank Goodness we usually walk almost 7 miles a day every time we go!!!

[ItalianMama3]

I emailed larry he'll be here too! and mresearcher and told her to tell her mom.

[ItalianMama3]

Girl:I mix mine too, but mine comes in 10,000 IU and I wouldn't suggest that. Smaller mixed more frquent I think would be better.

All: I injected my arm today it wasn't bad. My thighs are actually getting  black and blue. I have always had trouble with giving blood or getting shots. So I think I may need to find a few more places to poke for a while.

[imalarry]

I am no expert but I would recomend A day of 2 big fiber drinks, some type of natural collan clense and only 6 apples and water all day. see if it helps. ( you need the fiber to give the colan something to push ) . Please don't get discouraged.

[imalarry]

Dr. S. talked about some people haveing a 'sticking point or weight " that the hypothalamus remembers being at for a time in the past. He recomends dilagence on the diet and I belive some good hard exercise would really help as well. Kt recomends The clensing in phase 1, Did you do that ?

[GRACIEGIRL2]

Hello to all.  Your doing great, DO NOT get discouraged.  It is still more weight lose than most diets.

Well I am still in phase 1. Day 27, total loss 28.5lbs.  I had two cheat days which set me back 3-4 days each time.  Still not bad though.
I will be on phase 1 for 44 days.  I am going to start injections on Oct. 20.  My granddaughters 2nd birthday party.  So I will get to have cake and ice cream on my gorge days!
I sure hated to wait so long to start injections(especially since I have all my stuff now)

Have a good day to you all!

[ItalianMama3]

so typed a message and it didn't post..hhmm

O.k so what I was thinking is we should do poll like results by who is doing IM and Sub Q, case I'm curious as to ow people are doing with either injection and size of injection;

Itmama: a 150/dose - IM injection -  lost 13 pounds in 15 days. Minimal excercise.
loo:
Ub:
Ima:
Girl:
and so on... It might show a pattern that might help...you never know...

[Eruaistaniel]

I was doing the dose recommended by GHI which is 250/sub-q.  I decreased it to 200 today to see if that will be any better.  Haven't been getting much exercise, but plan to walk for about 45 minutes today.  Maybe that will help too.

[imalarry]

Hello, I think you will feel good on an apple day and as far as the higher dose I think 200 is right in the middle of the acceptable range for optimal loss so that should be good. I think the cleaner the better on eating. I haven't used any spices except lemon. and exercise.........ya gota exercise. Whatever you can do will help, I am sure of it.

[scare_d_kat]

Okay I'm here too, only read Simeons, didn't read KT. I lost 12 lbs. in 9 days got stuck for three days, then had a cheat day gained two pounds and today is day 13 VLCD with 10 lbs loss. I think tomorrow morning will be great running to the bathroom every hour, so I think things will be okay tomorrow morning with some sort of loss.

[imalarry]

Larry...250/sub q. 21 lbs in 16 days vlcd, eating very clean ( no spices ) 1 hour of exercise per day with sauna time approx 3 days per week. Ocasional hunger at 4pm. Have not cheated at all and I refuse to.

[ItalianMama3]

So are you thinking how my juice...is mixed now I can just draw it out to the 2.0 mark? And that will be 200 correctly?

As for exercise I want to do more but I battle CFIDS and Fibromyalgia because of that my muscles are all really tight and there isn't much energy in them, so they don't stretch like most peoples. A lot of times when I walk a mile or two I can pay the price for it big time. I have very little adrenal function so I can't tolerate much. I also never know from day to day. I had hoped I could lose and little weight and as my body adjusts (especially since the original protocol didn't call for excercise) I could incorporate the physical little by little.

I can't take any pain meds with this diet and I can't take the pain that will come after daily exercise yet. (I normally took IB daily at least twice and Vicodin at least once month for bad times)  Just being off my meds has made a difference!

[imalarry]

What do you draw to to get 150 ??

[ItalianMama3]

I use the smaller 10 cc syringe and I draw to .150....

[girleegirl71]

Itmama: a 150/dose - IM injection -  lost 13 pounds in 15 days. Minimal excercise.
loo:
Ub:
Ima:
Girl: 175.dose IM/15.2 lbs 22 days

[mommyiam]

Hi all!  Glad to be here with you!

ItalianMama  If I understand correctly...you are now taking 1cc shots at 150iu dose, so if you go to 2cc with same mixture, you would be increasing to 300iu.  You would need 1cc for the 150iu, plus 1/3 cc for another 50iu.  Does that sound right to everyone?

Good Luck!

[girleegirl71]

If I am correct Dr. S stated dosage should be between 125-200 iu, no more than that, said more did not enhance loss but even sometimes stifled it. Not sure if thats true but I'm pretty sure thats what he said.

[ItalianMama3]

actually it says 1ml syringe... and the pharmacist said to draw up to the .150 line in between .1 and .2 marks.

[mommyiam]

Wait, I see we must have been posting at same time... your 1.5 cc gives 150iu then to get 200iu you will need 2cc...sounds good to me.

Good Luck!!

[ItalianMama3]

Great! that would be easier than adding more bac water or having to start over....

[imalarry]

mommy is right

[scare_d_kat]

what is the correct measurement for the 150? I wanted to do 125 but couldnt find the correct measurements? I did the 175 cause that was the lowest I could find, I am using 5000 IU. Where are you measuring on your shots?

[ItalianMama3]

I think you're right......I mixed that new batch today and I'm not hungry at all and the last 3 days I've been hungry and the weight was stuck at the same place. I still had another 10 days on that last bottle but I bet it was losing potency.... mmhhhhmm food for thought or lack there of!

[ItalianMama3]

do you want the break down of mixing bac water to hcg ratio for 5000IU? or the actual mark on the syringe for injection of 125?

[imalarry]

Simmons was pretty adament about it needing to be mixed dailly and I asked the pharmacy about that they said the preservatives kept it good.I think the potency dose fall off  becuse on about day 10 for me I was so hungery for 2 days and felt weak as well. I mixed a new batch and got the same results as you, no hunger and the weight really started comming of again. I am a little woried now becuse if it happens again for me I dont have any more to mix. It cost me $ 230.00 to by more from the pharmacy ( i told them I droped it on accadent. ) Is there somewhere I can get more cheap and fast ??

[scare_d_kat]

can you do both please??????  I just want to make sure what I am using is the same, I did the 28.5 Bwater to the 5000 and have been doing 1 cc, is that correct according to your measurements, I really went over this stuff numerouse times. Like I said I wanted to do the 125 but I couldn't find the mixing instructions. Any help is greatly appreciated. That is supposed to be 175IU.

[ItalianMama3]

I get mine from Rite Aid pharmacy and it's about $67.00 for the 10,000IU (which that is the only way it comes there) Also the Walgrens by my house has the same one for the same price. Not sure which of those might be be in your area.... No insurance discount either on mine..

[ItalianMama3]

let me go through some old emails I know I have those directions. I have a 10,000IU so it's different.. But like I said I have it for 5000 iu I'll post when I get back need to run an errand and get kids from school...

[scare_d_kat]

Thanks, looking forward to it!

[imalarry]

Where did you get you perscription ??

[scare_d_kat]

drugdelivery, you don't need a prescription, I got 3 vials of 5000iu for 87.00 including shipping, it took awhile to receive but it is coming from europe.

[ubflossn]

i got mine from drugdelivery also.  it was a total of 18days counting saturdays.  i got 6vials of 1500 so i could be mixing fresh about every week.  i was taking 187.5iu per dose on this last mix but before that i was at about 200 and did much better.  i mixed a new batch on the 27th and made it for 200iu.  i'm hoping it will bump things along. i do mine subq.  i try to get im but let's face it with 1/2 inch needles inless you're a toothpick your going subq.  unless you are using about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inch needle you're going sub q too.   the easiest place (with no brusing!) for me is in the tummy.  doesn't hurt a bit and really no marks.  i have longer needles but don't have the guts for it.  by the way for whoever asked you do need to buy needles and bac water etc from another source.  i used hcgsupplies . com.  so where are we now?
itmama: 150  iu- IM      13lbs in 15 days
ub:         200  iu-Subq  14.6lbs in 19days
girl:        175  iu-IM       15.2lbs in 22days
loo:
ima:
eru:

[imalarry]

larry- 250 iu 20.5 lb in 16 days-----1 hr exercise daily

[imalarry]

thats 250 sub q

[scare_d_kat]

I got my from androusadotcom they are lightning fast, I had everything two days after I ordered it, that is fast! I have more than enough for two round.

scare 175IU IM 10. lbs in 13 days, gained two back had my period as well :(

but I am back in full swing I know tomorrow there will be a difference (or I'll break my scale)

[mresearcher]

HELLO ALL!  i'm so glad we have a new thread now!
im down 15 pounds after 15 days of vlcd!

Yay =)

[mresearcher]

hi i do 175 iu IM 15 pounds in15 days

[scare_d_kat]

Im so jealous!!! I back in the swing though and over the rough spots, coming back strong (I Hope)

How you doing? over the cravings?

[jennbear73]

Ok ! I got all my stuff - so now I can finally start. I'm starting tomorrow - 10/03 - I'm doing 200iu's - IM (legs). bought at drugdelivery - took 8 days, and i bought all other stuff at research supplies - got it overnighted..came today! yeah!

Start my gorge tomorrow - yeah!

Im kinda nervous about making sure I get everything right - but I know I'll get it done. I'm glad to have this place to come to - congrats again to all the losers..

[ItalianMama3]

itmama: 150  iu- IM      13lbs in 15 days
ub:         200  iu-Subq  14.6lbs in 19days
girl:        175  iu-IM       15.2lbs in 22days
loo:
eru:
Ima: 250 iu 20.5 lb in 16 days-----1 hr exercise daily
mrs:175 iu IM 15 pounds in 15 days
scare: 175IU IM 10. lbs in 13 days

So far we've got these stats posted! Look at these!

[ItalianMama3]

Got it from my Dr.

[ItalianMama3]

holy smokes your going to be whooping all our butts with the results your getting just from phase 1! Nice job!!

[ItalianMama3]

Sorry - I went through all those emails and not one for 125 injection only higher. Can I ask why you are going with that one?

[scare_d_kat]

Sure you can of course. Simeons states that he recommend 125 IU as the best, stating more is not always better, so at first that was my goal, but I also could never find the correct recipe for it, he gives the recipe for  1500 for 10 days but when it comes to this stuff I am not the math wizard, and was afraid I would calculate incorrectly and screw up the cc's or IU or whatever.

[scare_d_kat]

I am looking forward to your post tomorrow on your weight and I looking forward to if a new batch does wonders for you. I may concider that as well if you get good results. Tomorrow will be day 16 for me, so after seeing your results I may try doing the same

[scare_d_kat]

make sure to really gorge on your days, i found that really doing the grease and sweets, I didn't have the headaches that others had, not sure if they really ate as much as Simeons states or not. I gained three pounds during that time, but lost 3.5 the first day. and I prepared for the headache and bought aspirin but I have yet to need them, and I never felt weak.

[ItalianMama3]

where did you order your product from? Can you call them, they should have mixing information to ensure the right dosing. It took me forever to figure it out. Even after I spoke to the pharmacist I double checked it with a few people on here. Like I needed 2nd and third opinion....I didn't want to screw it up...

[ubflossn]

you have 5000right?  the mix is like this.   is that one vial or 2 small ones totaling 5000.  if each vial has 5000iu in it you will need a total of 25cc of bac water.  this will only get you about 25 days though so you will need 2 vials.  you are going to take the 1cc bac water out and put it in the vial to disolve the powder.  then transfer the entire mixture to the sterile vial.  add to that 24cc more of bac water for a total of 25cc product.  5000iu divided by 25cc = 200iu per dose.  remember to add/take away air from the bottles to equalize the pressure.  you're already doing that so you know what i mean.

[ItalianMama3]

scare d wants for the 125 injection not a 200...can you figure out the lower dose?

[ubflossn]

let's see 5000 at 125 you will get the entire 40 doses out of it.  so you will need a total of 40cc bac water.  again take 1cc and mix with the powder to liquify.  then transfer to the sterile vial.  add  39cc more bac water for a total of 40cc in the sterile vial.  (mine wouldn't hold that much).  each dose then would be 125iu and you should have 40 injections if you are exact with the 1cc per dose.

[ubflossn]

so what dose have you been doing?  do you think you are getting more or less than you wanted at 125.  that dose of 1500 for 10 days would give you 150iu.  is that what you're doing now?

[ItalianMama3]

you rock! XOXO

[ubflossn]

DAAAHHH!!!  

how are you feeling tonight?

[scare_d_kat]

I have been doing 175 cause that was the lowest I could find the measurements for. I also thought, probably a dumb idea but with all the girl issues I have, maybe the pregnant thing would be a good thing as it mends many women issues, like endimetrosis, which I of course have.

[scare_d_kat]

everyone seems to be getting great results from the higher doses so I will probably just stick with the 175, and after mama does her thing tomorrow I may just take her lead and see if it works for me as well. I ended up with my period for an entire week so i think that put me a little behind as I had only started my shots the week before. I could be wrong.....usually am :)

[ubflossn]

i started exactly 10 days after my first shot.  i didn't expect it until day 15 but you know how that goes.  anyway, i only skipped 2 days of shots however i bled like crazy the first day.  usually is's the second day that looks like that.  normal months i have one really heady day on day 2 then i spot for an entire week.  having the hcg shots though my rough day was day 1 and i spotted for almost 2 weeks.  nothing to speak of but just enough a liner was needed.  do what you want but i'm not skipping more than 2-3 days.  after that i think i would eat my house!!!

[ubflossn]

did you pay the extra 8 bucks or what ever to speed it up?  i did and it still took 18 days so you did pretty good on delivery time!  good luck!

[mommyiam]

Just wondering what you consider 8 days--mon-Fri?  I also ordered from drug delivery, I ordered on 9-17, got email that it was shipped on 9-27.  Trying to figure out when I will get it...Just eager to have everything here, I plan to start next week, so even at 21 days I should have it in time, its kinda like Christmas, I just can't wait, I am really excited.  Also I ordered the 1500 iu ampules, is that what you ordered?  Oh well it still all boils down to I have to wait and see

Good Luck ALL!

[Lindaloo]

I'm doing 175 iu IM & Sub Q and I'm down 37.5lbs. in 44 days (is that right Mresearcher? cause we are taking the same shots from NHW)???

[ItalianMama3]

I think this everyone now who posted results:

itmama: 150  iu- IM  13lbs in 15 days
ub:    200  iu-Subq  14.6lbs in 19days
girl:  175  iu-IM       15.2lbs in 22days
loo:   175 iu IM & Sub Q down 37.5lbs. in 44 days -(at least an hour I know of, right loo?)
Ima:  250 iu 20.5 lb in 16 days-----1 hr exercise daily
mrs: 175 iu IM 15 pounds in 15 days
scare: 175IU IM 10. lbs in 13 days

look at that !! whhooohooo

[mystikldrmr]

This may sound like a silly question but is anyone doing the Dr S or KT protocol that has had any abdominal surgeries??  I've had three different ones that left awful scars and even though prior diets have helped me lose weight, the horrible effects of the surgeries are still prominent.  I guess I'm wondering if anyone knows what kind of results that I may achieve dealing with that aspect.  I'm supposed to receive my pkg from NHW today (YAY!!) but I'm not able to start until Friday.  Then, hopefully, I'll be on the "Loser List" with y'all.

[ubflossn]

i've had a c-section.  are you talking about the way the tissue pouches around the scarring?  my scar is way down and although you can hardly see it  i do have an uneveness there.  one side of my tummy sticks out a bit more than the other.  i had some other laproscopic stuff done and i think that it's more the scarring on the inside that has created that effect.  still it is shrinking.  still sticks out more on the left but much smaller.  not only that but i had terrible cellulite on my legs and rear end that has really shown improvement.  i'm pleased with the reshaping aspect of this for sure.

well i finished 22days now of vlcd (i was off yesterday on my tally i guess) and i'm down 15.2lbs.  if i'm half way there i'm on track to lose about 30lbs.  pretty great!!  more, more, more!!!  good luck at weigh in all!!

[Eruaistaniel]

I'm down another 1/2 pound today.  After 19 days I'm down 15 pounds.  I'm injecting 250/sub-q.

[scare_d_kat]

Great news back down the 2 lbs from Sunday. YIPPEE!! thats 12 lbs in 14 days on vlcd, and I know tomorrow is going to see results!! Already can't wait.

Italianmama, how are the results this morning? Looking forward to your posting.

Ub, yep, I know what you mean, it was crazy monday thru saturday, wouldn't stop, thought it would never end.

Lindaloo, how many days are you allowed with natural healing ways? What it the max they allow you to do?

[Lindaloo]

Well Scare-d .. . . I got 2 extra weeks free(because of the kindness of Mresearcher and someone else for mentioning my name when they ordered) and at the end of my 6 weeks I felt really good so they sent me my extra 2 weeks and I'm pushing the envelope to see if I can lose a little more before going on to phase 3 . . . . I'm on day 45 today and I really feel fine so I'm going to continue until I finish the extra 2 weeks or I start feeling weak, lightheaded or starvin Marvin . . . . I weighed in the same as yesterday 142.5 lbs (and I had an extra chicken portion last night . . .  just had to)

[scare_d_kat]

well you are doing fabulous, I can't wait to get to your weight but it will take me two rounds to get there unfortunately. when I weighed in the first time, I almost had a heart attack, but can't do anything about that except perserve. I am certainly going to keep watching your progress, what number are you trying to reach?

[girleegirl71]

Morning guys...well I'm down 1.2lbs this morning, finally! So 16.4lbs in 23 days. Whew! Oh, and my colon is finally rollin! The Dr Schulze I guess finally kicked in,I dont know though, its been a week! NOt sure if that is the stuff for me, I was taking 3-4 a ngiht and getting no results. I'm gonna go look for Big Red today, any advise is welcome!!

Good job guys, we are all doing so great!

[GRACIEGIRL2]

Good morning.  Glad to hear your all doing well.

Finally made it to 30lb loss in 28 days!!

itmama...Even though I am doing phase 1 I eat vlcd with the exception of one organic egg for breakfast.
and if I need a snack, I have organic nuts.
I think I have more to lose than any one else here.  I started at 287 and I am 5'5'.  I would like to be back at 135-150. Just to be <200 will be wonerful!
My weight loss has been all over. Not just one area. Hopefully when I start injections the loss will be in the problem areas.  Mainly my stomach.
I started walking (now that its cooling off) so I know that has helped.

scare d kat...I am so looking forward to the gorge.  I have only had one headache since I started this diet.  I feel really good.  I use to get headaches several times a week.  Maybe my headaches were food related.

[mystikldrmr]

Thank you for your response.  That was exactly what I was talking about.  I've had an appendectomy, gall bladder removed (conventional surgery), and C-Section.  My stomach looks like a butcher has had a hold of me...lol.  I don't expect to see miraculous results but I do hope for a change.  My only other alternative if this doesn't work for me is to go under the knife again and have that outrageously costing tummy tuck.

[ubflossn]

yea unfortunately this won't recountour the post surgery scar tissue.  my problem is more from the removal of adhesions internally after the csection.  that left things sort of lopsided.  in fact even the tummy injections i do i have a hard time on the left side.  i'm sure it's because of all the subq scar tissue.  so i use the right side most.  well good luck and i hope you see results that are enough to avoid the knife.  i would love it smooth again too but i'm not sure i'm willing to go that far.  i'll settle for a high bottomed two piece with tummy control!!

[ubflossn]

i just got a promo from drugdelivery.  buy 5 ampules get 1free.  if anyone thinks they need another round..........

[scare_d_kat]

got that myself, we should do a group order and take advantage of the savings :)

[ubflossn]

i'd be a chicken mailing it out though but yea, you could really save because they give discounts to double order etc.

[imalarry]

Man look at those AWSOME RESULTS. That is just amazing. Great work everyone.

UB   Do you need a perscription for drugdelivery  and how long is there shipping ??

[mresearcher]

hello all! im down another .5 pound today so 15.5 pounds in 16 days of vlcd.. i started at 152 and now im down to 136.5 My goal weight is 125 and im not sure i'll be able to get there as i only have less than 2 weeks left of injections (i opted to do 4 weeks). My mother and her friend all put me down as referrals so i get two free weeks also, and im not sure if i should do them. maybe just ne extra week? I really want to get to my goal weight. What do you guys think? Think i can get down 11.5 pounds in 11 days?????

Yes my cravings have finally subsided.. thank goodness!

Loo- yes youre right about the dose from nhw. Also good for you for taking advantage of the extra weeks. I'm with you on that, While your already in 500 cal/day mode, you might as well keep going. This way you only have to do this for one long stint in your life, rather than come back and do it again at some other time in your life.. Please keep us posted, im so eager to hear how these last days will be for you!

[scare_d_kat]

Your doing great, keep going, I think you can hit your goal in one go around! Keep up the good work!

[imalarry]

You can do it, lots of water and exercise you will be there

[mommyiam]

Larry --drug delivery takes a while, I ordered on the 17th and they emailed saying it was shipped on the 27th --but still not here.  Most people I have heard say it takes about 21 days, JennBear got hers much faster though...

Gracie -- WOW!! I am so impressed with your results on Phase 1.  AMAZING!!!  I too have more to lose than most, would love to lose 150, will see how the first to rounds go (already ordered enough for 2 rounds)  If it goes well, I see no reason I won't continue to my goal.  When did you say you were going to start Phase 2?  I plan to next Fri, as long as everything gets here...

Best of luck to all.

[GRACIEGIRL2]

I ordered from drugdelivery it took 28 days counting weekends.  I to ordered enough for 2 rounds.  It may take 3 rounds..  My legs will look like pin cushions.  At least all this water I am drinking will have somewhere to go.
I will be starting Oct. 20

[jennbear73]

I've finally started !!! wooohoooo!!!!! Today is my first day - loading day ! :)

Did everyone eat every hour while they were loading - i'd just like some peoples examples ... please???

thanks!! woohoooooo! I am on my way to a thinner me !!!

[mystikldrmr]

I received my hcg from NHW today.  I get to start on Friday.  I hope that I can depend on y'all to help me through the "rough spots".  It always helps to have a good support system.

[imalarry]

I ate regular meals of organic food but I ate out once at a french restaraunt I love and had desert and all that. I ate a lot of nuts and other things with lots of natural fat. I kept my three meals with two snacks at the same time. I have been eating pretty clean for so long I could not just go out and eat a bunch of junk. Oh yea, lots of organic cheese I get at a local farmers market.

Good luck, you will do great

[ubflossn]

i think it depends on whether you order from european pharm or indian pharm. indian takes a bit longer and costs a little more.  mine came in exactly 18days counting weekends.  no Rx needed.  this order though they asked some health questions but i don't remember them doing that before.  

[ubflossn]

congrats!!!  i ate ALL the time.  i went up 1.2lbs the first day but i was only up .4 after 3 days of gorging.  i think i should have eaten more though.  i don't know.  looking back i'd sure like to have now!! so welcome aboard and here's to the next big loser!!

[scare_d_kat]

I would recommend moving your shots to the butt and arms as well, I do right leg, left leg, right cheek, left, right arm, left, then one day without, that way you don't have tons of bruises nor do you look like a pin cushion.  I am looking forward to hearing your additional remarkable results, I be here with you as I have to do this twice!!!

mystikld: Congratualtions on your package, it is like receiving the lottery isn't it? Enjoy your gorge days, it will help when you first start your VLCD.

jennbear; personally, I just ate three meals a day (maybe a snack) but I made sure they were bacon and eggs, mcdonalds, sweet soda, chicken wings, dessert, and a snack butter popcorn. Anything greasy and sweet. ENJOY!

[imalarry]

By he way, day 17 on vlcd and 21 lbs GONE. I was stuck at 20.5 for two days but I had taken a break from working out so I really think that extra calorie burn really helps

[jennbear73]

ok - heres the next question - should I gorge for 2 days or 3 days? I thought Simeons was 2 days?

[imalarry]

simeons is 2 days I think, I did two days. I would say if you have really been depriving yourself and feel your structall fat my be low than do 3 days, if not I would think 2 would be fine.

[ItalianMama3]

scare; no jump start, but I did feel the clearity again which I had with the first batch. But hadn't had the last week.  I stayed at the same weight as yesterday...but I got to reading the book again and I opted not to take any of my supplements today. Also the last 2-3 days I have been taking Airborne and extra Vitamin C and added smart water since I wasn't feeling well. I think the combo of it all is affecting my loss. Hopefully in the next 2 days I'll see it move agin. I did 200 injection this morning and I'm going to stay with that. I would like a drop before the monthly visitor shows up...

mystikldrmr: I lost my gallbladder ; ) about 4 years ago now and with my CFIDS I normally am in the bathroom SEVERAL times a day. I have to say the now it's been in the normal range since on the diet. It's nice!!

[ItalianMama3]

Myself, Ubflossn, Lindloo all did the 3 day. I personally chose the 3 day over 2 day due to the section he speaks about those people who have yo-yo dieted for years hould actually should do a week gorge to get the best results. I wasn't doing it for a week.... the 3 days was hard enough. I don't think you can go wrong with either you choose. The post hunger happens whether you do 2 or 3 days anyway. But the 3 of us only had hunger up to maybe day 4 and 5.  

[scare_d_kat]

Today was very weird for me. Last night I tossed and turned all night and slept maybe 4-5 hours, I was up 5 times to pee. Then today I was sitting at my desk, went to get up and just got lightheaded, which I have never had. I have been feeling twinges of hunger here and there but they pass. I have been thinking of switching out my stuff for new and seeing if that makes a difference. I don't know if I am just tired from last night. I started back yesterday on my SAM-e cause I was noticiing a difference in my mood, I have a very stressful job and that stuff just really works awesome on mood, it could be just the pills I have are strong and maybe I should only take a half with the small amount of calories, that may be it. I am concidering a new batch and also doing the 200IUs as well, everyone seems to be having great success with that. I am sure you will have better news in the morning, Dr S. recommends vitamin C as the only thing to take besides an occasional aspirin, once that is out of your system, I think you will be pleased, I am rooting for ya!!!!

[jennbear73]

thanks guys for responding - i really appreciate it ...

[A&MGirl]

Hello everyone,
I too, have been following your posts for a while and actually feel like i know you all :)
I finally got my shots and today I just had my third shot. tomorrow I start the VLCD and I am hoping for some awesome results! I wonder though, does it matter if you are big to begin with. Will you lose more weight than if you were closer to "normal"? i am very good at this gorging stuff but dont know if i will be able to do the vlcd and hope that I might lose as much as you all because i am so big.

[ubflossn]

i think as with any diet the more you have to lose the faster it seems to come off.  mostly water in the first few days really.  believe it or not the vlcd isn't that hard because we just aren't that hungry.  a warning though......eating is as much a social habit (as addictive as smoking i think in some cases) as much as it is a functional need.  those of us who liked to eat and enjoyed entertaining with friends/famile etc really missed the act of eating more than we missed the actual food.  that part is not easy.  but, stick with it and after the first week you'll be able to sit alongside others that are eating whatever and you will be able to survive it!  just hang in there!!  i don't know where you are or where you want to be but this has been working so well for all of us i hope you have the same success!!!  altogether we've lost a whole person!!!!  good luck and welcome aboard!  

[ItalianMama3]

You know that Sam-e I just recently heard about. My cousin has Fibromyalgia symptoms even though he and my aunt think it more environmental issues and he has been very pleased with the product. Thanks for the support I need it! If your starting to feel hungry again too, I think it's time to mix again. I don't think hunger should be an issue again, after a few weeks. Hope you get some sleep tonight.

[bigeasy4]

I've been reading all the post with great interest..I got my shots and diet from Native Healing Ways..I did the load days and yesterday started the shots..I lost 5 lbs..Hoping I will do well.  Am stcking to the diet exactly and plan to do 4 weeks..I need to lose 45 more lbs...Where are ya'll ordering the injections from?..Do you need a rx?..Will keep ya posted on what happens..I don't exercise and don't plan to..except square dance once or twice a week

[ubflossn]

so no change this morning but i do feel smaller! maybe i just haven't eliminated what i've lost yet.  so 23 days vlcd and 15.2lbs.  cloths feel so much better.  i think i'll be in the 160's by early next week!!

[Eruaistaniel]

I'm down another 1/2 this morning.  After 20 days I've lost 15 1/2 lbs.  

Well, still haven't heard from my monthly visitor.  She must have gotten lost.  As of this morning I am officially late.  Anybody else get their period late while on the diet?

[ubflossn]

mine came 5 days early and lasted about a week too long!!!

[Lindaloo]

Wow, everyone is doing GREAT!!! It's hard to keep track of you all if you don't check in everyday . . . but overall I'm seeing great things!!! Yay!!
Mr: Yea, I figured I'm on a roll, might as well continue the shots for these last 2 weeks . . . . I'm down .5lbs this morning so I'm at 142lbs . . . getting out of the 40's has been real slow going but if I can nudge my way into the 130' by end of next week I'll be happy!! Can't wait to have my first real meal in 2 months . . . . I'm planning the menu every night in my dreams . . . but what's a great meal with out a great bottle of red wine????? (not a great meal) . . . M, you're doing great, keep stead fast!!
Bigeasy: I too gained 5 lbs after loading and lost it in the first day or two of shots . . . . ain't it cool!! Good Luck!!
Eru: Sounds like a trip to the drug store for you??? Did you want a boy or a girl?? You're doing great!! What happens if you are prego . . . I think Dr. Sim says you have to stop the shots, correct??
Mama: What's the score this mornin? Did stopping the supplements help?

My part came for my treadmill so I'm fix it girl today . . . got to get him back up and running . . . . maybe that's why loss is so slow??

[scare_d_kat]

today is day 15 of VLCD and I am now officially 14 lbs lighter! Yippee!

Mama, Yes, i did get some sleep last night thank goodness. I also switched out my Hcg, this one didn't sting, the other one did, hope that doesn't mean this stuff isn't any good

Does anyone elses Hcg shots sting?

[scare_d_kat]

so did the scale move???? I have my fingers crossed for ya

[bigeasy4]

I have dropped 9 lbs in 2 days...3 days since shots and 6 days from load..I don't feel hungry and feel good..The wt feels like it coming off the gut..so that is a good thing..strted at 250..hope to be in the 30's tomrrow..Good luck to all

[bigeasy4]

Also wanted to mention I went from 70 units of insulin a day (2 shots) to about 8..still kinda regulating but much less...This diet is a win win for me..a real God send..

[girleegirl71]

Morning all...well its 17.6lbs in 24 days, not bad I guess! I cant believe how the time has flown on this diet! Better yet, I hit 169 today!!! Whoo hoo!!!! In the 160's, last time I saw that I was 5 months prego almost 16months ago!!

For the newbies, Ubflossn is right, the hunger/cravings really DO go away, its more the social aspect that is tough..and its not even the food is tough, you can look at it and feel NOTHING about the food, its the gatherings that are tough to get thorugh! (I have a huge family, we all get together EVERY weekend, and there is tons of food all the time...doesnt even bother me, I just want to eat cuz THEY are eating,weird).

kat--mine sting every now and then, just make sure the alcohol is dry and medicine is room temp. I actually found that the 1 1/4 inch needles sting LESS than the sub-Q needles, go figure!

Eru my period was a week late after I started this so hopefully THAT is reassuring to you!!!

[Eruaistaniel]

You made it to the 160s.  Congrats!  

I'm not too worried about not getting my period.  I know I can't be pregnant unless I'm carrying the Lord's child.  That's highly unlikely.  LOL  I just haven't been this late since I was a teenager.  

[ubflossn]

you made it to 160's without me!!!  oh well i'm right behind you.  i did lose but i feel like things are looking much better so i'm sure the numbers will follow!  have a good day all!

[scare_d_kat]

congrats to you, that is fantastic to hear!

ub, youll be there soon! just keep on truckin'

[ItalianMama3]

Hi all- yipee I have finally dropped! I lost 1.6 overnight. I am down lower than I was for those 4 days I was stuck too. Yeah! So I dropped my extra herbals... kept the smart water though. Keeping with the 200 injection too.  

scare_d_kat: usually if it stings that can be from your alcohol wipe being wet on the skin still when you inject. Also if you push the hcg in to quick that can sting a bit too.

[scare_d_kat]

soon to be HOT MAMA! been waiting to hear your exciting news, I am following your lead with changing my hcg and hopefully i will have your great results as well. what is your final total?

[jennbear73]

Ok - I thought that I was the only one - I think I didn't wait long enough before I gave myself the shot - probably just cold - I did wait long enough for the alcohol to dry - but I also have 25g needles - I couldn't find 27-29g without being a 3cc syringe. Oh well. - my first wasn't so bad - but todays - OUCH!

Also - Loading yesterday was BLAK! did anyone find that they really didn't want to eat? I've been taking Acidophilus Pearls for about 3 months. I have noticed that I haven't craved any sweets while taking the "pearls". Maybe that's why. I'm really really having to FORCE myself to stuff my face.

I've decided to do 3 days of loading - so I have one more day. I am so ready to start seeing the pounds melting away ... ....

[imalarry]

Glad to see you getting more results. It looks like everyone is truckin right along. Day 17 for me and down 21.5. It seems my loss is really fluctuating now but I have averaged 1.25 lbs. per day. That is right in line w/ what Dr. S. said it should be. I can not wait to expand to the phase 3 diet however I plan to follow that close as well becuse Dr. S says it is crucial for long term success.

Just want to share this as I found it so awsome. I have a off road race truck with a 5 point seatbelt system that was set to my size. I got in the truck today and the belt was over 7 inches loose !! Totally unbelivable...............................I'm shrinking fast,.

[mresearcher]

[mresearcher]

OK OOPS!
i stayed the same today =( 136.5 pounds still 15.5 pounds on day 17.... dont think i drank enough water yesterday so i think im retaining!

oh well have a great night everyone!

[mystikldrmr]

Okay my big day is tomorrow!!  I think it's Dr. S's protocol that I will be following.  From the paperwork that was sent to me, it looks just a bit different than the manuscript that I read online (and it certainly doesn't take too awfully much to confuse me).  I know to gorge myself this weekend but I'm a bit confused on the "grouping" thing when I begin the vlcd on Monday.  What kind of meal plans do any of do that may help me put my 500 cals together??  I don't want to risk messing this up.

[imalarry]

I eat thje fruit for a snack at 10 and 3 so I like.........crab and asparagas  /  steak and spinach  /  chicken and tomato  /  shrimp and asparagas or cucumber or spinach.  Well, you get the idea. I have found for myself that the weight really flys off  when i eat chicken and tomato, not really sure why as they are the same calories as the other meals.  You get the idea. I really recomend exercising during this if you can, I belive it really helps.

Good luck

[ubflossn]

did you say you had the dr s protocol.  you can mix up however you like from the fruit, protein, veg (specific ones only and can't mix within a meal).  i think i have about the same things all the time.  i use halibut, chicken, organic filet, organic ground sirloin (<5% fat) and mix up with the veggies.  i usually have cukes, tom, celery, steamed spinich.  one of those us about as adventerous as i get.  i usually have my apple about 10 or so at work cuz my tummy starts growling! then after dinner i'll have either another apple or a grapefruit with stevia.  that's the day.  not exciting but it takes the guesswork out of it.  i pre-pack all the meats in portioned baggies at exactly 100g and when i'm ready for a meal i take it out (frozen) and throw it on the grill.  i hate doing dishes!!  we did discover some recipies on another blog.  one was baking the apples with stevia and a little cinn and water for a fake apple pie taste but i'm not sure cinnamon is totally legal on phase 2.  loo was putting the strawberries in a blender with some stevia for a phoney ice cream (sounds yummy too).  i read another person fried up the ground sirloin and rinsed/dried it off and put some taco type seasonings on it and put it over her lettuce for a taco salad type of meal.  anybody else out there hav any good recipies??

[imalarry]

those are great recipies, Lets hear somemore everyone. I am definatlly TOTALY board with my meals.

[peaceusa]

Hello everyone, I have been following your posts and I have finally decided to join you all. Anyway I am also doing the hCG shots; 125iu, 5 days a week with 2 off, I am going to a clinic in Kissimmee FL and they provide the shots pre filled/measured. I also am taking an appetite suppressant. The only difference for me is the diet is 800cal per day and a lot less restrictive, I can eat any vegg, and three meals, two snacks, also dairy is allowed but it has to be fat free. So far I have been on the plan for 7 days and I have lost 8lbs, I started at 193 and am now down to 185.  

[imalarry]

Hi peace. It sounds like you are getting great results and that is awsome. We had actully started this thread for people following the Dr. Simmons protacal becuse our old thread got to cofusing with eveyone following different progams. The old thread is still being used by a lot of people following simalar programs as you are on and the thread is HCG DIET 2.

good luck on your program

[mystikldrmr]

Thank y'all for the advice.  I'm sure my questions sound a bit ridiculous but I'm terrified of not following the protocol to the T.

ub:  I'm almost positive that it's the Dr. S protocol.  It's the one that NHW sent to me.  One of the instructions that's confusing me is that Dr. S says we can have unlimited amounts of coffee but the list that I received from NHW says no caffeine.  I drink organic coffee but I haven't found organic decaf coffee.  Also, you said that you pre-pack all the meats at exactly 100g.  What kind of scale do you use??  I only have a typical kitchen scale--it's digital but it's not the one that I've heard is suggested.

imalarry:  Do you suggest a total workout or will simply walking be a good exercise??  I've never been much on cardio but walking and Yoga or Pilates I can do with no hesitation.

Again, I do thank you for your responses.  I'm really looking forward to beginning tomorrow.

[mystikldrmr]

Oops!!  One more thing I forgot to ask.  Does everyone or most everyone eat all organic or can non-organic be used and produce the same results??

[ItalianMama3]

I'd suggest organic, but if your don't have the ability to always get organic, at least make sure and buy your meats organic, they are lower in fat when grass fed. If you do regular produce go to a health food store though and purchase a fruit and vegetable wash! Very important to get all the fertilizer and pesticides off.  I personally buy organic but may get apples occassionally that aren't.

[ubflossn]

i think organic is what kt stresses because of all the changes associated with the food industry since dr s.  makes perfect sence  but i don't have an organic market within an hour of me.  it takes me approx 1.5 hours each way so it's sort of hard to plan a life around that.  especially when you never know when you'll run out of something.  i did find a decent organic section at our local giant eagle store. it's not huge or anything but it's something.  i agree with itmama to get the veg wash.  even the organics sometimes have a waxy coating.  also check your local meat market too.  the one near me doesn't claim "organic" because his theory is he doesn't know if the grass the cows eat is "organic" so he can't lay claim to that but he buys from an amish farm near us and he gets fresh meat and chicken 4-5 times a week.  the amish farmer assures him it's "all natural" meaning no steroids or hormones in any of the meat products.  very fresh.  tonight he ground me some xlean sirloin steak for burgers.  so it was literally ground in front of me and it was very lean meat to start with.  needless to say it was awesome.  for me that's the next best thing to "organic" knowing it's farm raised locally with no hormones or steroids.  it's sometimes just too hard to make the drive to akron to "pick up a few things" ya know.  i did start the fam out with more organic choices from the giant eagle organic section.  i changed out all the cookies to organic for evans lunch/snacks and chips etc.  they have to have something even if i can't right!!  
the kitchen scale i bought i like a lot.  very easy to use but it only measures in 5g weights.  actually 5 g is pretty small amount so i'm ok with it.  it's 100g on the scale but i guess it could be 104 and it wouldn't register until it reaches 105.  so the red meat i weigh out at 95g just to be sure it's not over.  
i don't know if you'll find organic decaf.  don't they use arsnick or something like that to decafinate it?  i know there are some organic decaf coffee like products?  keep looking though.  maybe it's out there.  i have one cup of regular organic gevalia coffee every morning.  can't get ready for work without it!

[rda.nicky75]

[rda.nicky75]

I'm going to be ordering my Hcg soon.  Do the supplies (syringes & neddles etc.) come seperate?  Can someone please help...Thanks so much!

[mystikldrmr]

Thank you two so much!!  I'd rather to buy the organic in anything that is available to me.  I have the same prob that you do, ub, not a convenient organic market close by.  There's one in Knoxville but it takes me a little over an hour to get there.  I don't remember ever seeing something called a "veg wash".  Is there a certain kind to look for??  Oh yeah, I begin today (finally--YAY!!) and my question for now is do I need to eat mostly organic this weekend while I load or is any type foods okay??

I, too, have changed out all the cookies, chips, etc to organic.  My boys automatically "hate" them simply because of the word "organic" that's listed.  They still eat it though...lol.

I am so thankful that I found this forum!!  You all are such a help and inspiration.

[ubflossn]

we're on the move!!!  down 1.4lbs this am.  24days of vlcd and down 16.6lbs!!!  i think the increase in iu has really helped because i've lost 3.2 lbs since monday when i mixed at the new concentration.  before that i lost in the week prior to the new mixture .4lbs the  whole week (boo).  i'm sticking with 200iu shots!  hope everyone else has a great weigh in too!!

[ubflossn]

are you a dental assistant?  yes the needles etc come seperate.  i ordered mine from hcgsupplies.com and i got the kit for the entire 43 days.  it's really fast and they are a big help with information on mixing.  after they give you the details it's really easy to figure out your concentration values.  

[ubflossn]

i don't think you need to worry about organic on the gorge.  most of us here (except maybe larry) ate anything and everything we thought we might be missing over the next month and a half!  eat up and enjoy.  the more fattening the better!!!

[Eruaistaniel]

I'm up 1/2 a pound this morning.  I didn't cheat, so it must be my period.  I finally got it yesterday.  After 21 days I've lost 15 pounds.

[Eruaistaniel]

Do you mean Knoxville, Tennessee?  I don't know how many Knoxvilles there are.  If so, we don't live very far apart.  I'm about an hour from Knoxville, TN.

[mystikldrmr]

ub:  I feel like I've already eaten "to capacity" and the scale this morning confirmed it...lol.  After seeing the numbers on the scale, I don't have the urge to eat all the fattening foods that I know that I won't get anymore after Sunday night.  Do I still need to eat and gain even more weight than I already have just this week??

Eru:  Yeppie, that's the one.  I live about 40miles east of Knoxville.  You mentioned about starting your period, are we supposed to stop the injections throughout the entire cycle or just on our heaviest days??

I had my first shot this morning.  I'm now officially part of the hCG family!!

[ubflossn]

you gained all week or you mean the 2 or 3 days on your gorge.  if it's your first shot you are just starting your gorge right?  eat up and enjoy.  it's going to be a long time until you're able to do that again (if ever really!!). i just skipped the first couple days but i'm not sure that was the best thing.  i ended up spotting for almost 2weeks.  and i have another period to go thru in about 9 days!!  

[Lindaloo]

Hi All:
Well I'm down 2lbs this morning . . .  that's 140lbs . . . so I've lost total of 40lbs and I'm on day 47. I've got another week of shots available to me and I feel fine so I think I'm going to do the one more week and see how it goes . . . the goal is to get into the 130's so . . I can see the light!!!

I know I'm playing outside the Dr. S box now . . . . so I'm not sure if you guys still want me here??

Coffee . . . I drink it all day (organic black with stevia)
The strawberry smoothie . . . AWESOME!! . . . Just berries, lill ice, lill water & lill stevia . . .  Awesome!!
The whole time you guys I ate the same thing: organic chicken or wild chillean sea bass bake in lemon juice with org. garlic, fresh dill and pepper.
I was thinking of pureaing(sp?) my asparagus so it would seem like a bisque?? Sounds good, right?

[girleegirl71]

Linda, you are doing sooo great!!  I've lost 17lbs in 25 days now (with a cheat day in there), so maybe by 47 days I'll be where you are! Lets hope!

I'm still at 169 exactly this morning after 25 days.

I only have like 2 weeks left of my shots, I'm gonna go to ddca to order more med, I'm still not gettin what you guys are saying. They offer it in so many variables...if I get the 1500ius, should I get the 1,2, or 5 ampules? I'm really confused! If I order the 5000 ius, the same thing..they offer it in varying sizes. I dont mind getting a bigger batch and preparign it and freezing it, thats how NHW sends it and its been working. Can someone tell me EXACTLY how they ordered their hcg from ddca? Thanks

[Eruaistaniel]

I'm in the other direction.  I'm about 50 miles west of Knoxville.  Dr. S says to stop injections during the whole cycle.  Not everyone does that though.  I'm not doing that myself.  I'm injecting all the way through.

[imalarry]

Hi. any exercise is great and I think people should do what they enjoy. If you like yoga and pilates and walking then that is perfect and those are great by the way. I do weights and plyometric stuff becuse I like it and the way it makes me feel. You gotta like it or you wont keep it up.

As for food I think you should read a book called ( THE END OF FOOD  ). This book will give you a very clear understanding of why eating organic whole food is the only choice for solid long term health and great energy and it will really help you identify what is good and not good to eat.
looks like everyone else answered your other questions. You will do great.

LINDALOO................You are doing GREAT. 40 LBS IN 47 DAYS. THAT IS AWSOME.

[mystikldrmr]

ub:  I can just LOOK at food and I'll gain.  But truthfully, I had (kind of) a "food fest" a couple of days this week.  Of course, now I'm living to regret it--because that's just more weight that I'm going to have to try to lose...lol.  I'm just beginning the two days of gorging but I don't have an appetite for anything.  How strange is that??!!

Eru: Is this the first period you've had since beginning the shots??

imalarry:  I admire anybody who can do the weights, etc because I've never had the motivation to do it.  I can tell a difference in myself when I exercise.  

[ubflossn]

you are awesome!!!  of course we need you here.........you're our motivation!!!  

gg......i ordered mine from ddca too.  i ordered 1500iu in the pack of 6.  so each week you mix a new batch so it should be fresher that way i think.  i didn't freeze it because it only lasts about 7 days so then it's just time to remix.  right now they're having a sale buy 5get 1free.  since the packs come in boxes of 3 anyway you'll actually buy 6 and get 7.  more than enough if you need to do another short run later on.  my last order took 18 days to arrive and that included sat and sunday.   they give you a track number but it never did work.  even after i got my package it said it wasn't in the country yet or something.  

[imalarry]

what company is that ? do you need a perscription ?

[GRACIEGIRL2]

I ordered 1500 also.  I thought it would be easier with a fresh batch each week.

Great going Loo.  I can't wait to be where you are!!

[GRACIEGIRL2]

drugdelivery . ca      No Rx needed

[Eruaistaniel]

Yes.  This is the first period I've had since the shots.

[imalarry]

Thank you..................Pretty soon all your friends will be calling you Amazing Grace

[Eruaistaniel]

This is a good recipe.  

Chili
100g ground steak
170 g of tomato
1/2 c water
3-4 cloves minced garlic

Seasonings (to taste):
1/2 t onion powder
1/2 t marjoram
1/4 t cumin
1/4 t black pepper
1/4 t cayenne
1/4 t basil
1/4 t thyme

1.  Grill steak.
2.  Mince the steak, garlic, and tomato in your food processor.
3.  Mix together the steak, garlic, tomato, water, and spices in a pot until warm.

[imalarry]

Nice, I'm gona have that tomarrow for dinner

[ItalianMama3]

thanks great option..... mmmhh

[ItalianMama3]

Down 1.4 pounds today the new mix and higher dose seems to be the trick.... whhooo down 15.3 pounds in 18 days. Today is 19.... hope to hold this loss going for a few more days til the visitor hits!  Great job everyone... keep the recipes coming...

[ItalianMama3]

so I make this with a steak or a hamburger patty supe yummy.

Brushetta: even without my olive oil and balsamic this Italian loves it!

Handful size tomato... diced small
1clove freh garlic
3 fresh basil leaves finely chopped
squeeze of lemon (just a little)
dash of sea salt/pepper

Let sit in the fridge a few minutes before you eat....

[rda.nicky75]

Yes, I'm a dental assistant.  Thanks for the advice.  And I am so glad to find this site.  Everyone is doing so well, keep up the good work.  Has anyone completed phase 2 and is keeping the weight off? I am almost done with phase 1 and am so excited to start injections.

[mommyiam]

Quick question...I just got my second tracking number from drug delivery, they said it was shipped from the UK (10/3/07).  Any idea when it might get here?  How long did it take for yours from that point?  I am really hoping to start next week!!!

loo  AMAZING!!  Keep it up!  You are an inspiration!  Look forward to hearing all about your next phase as well...please keep posting!

[ubflossn]

mine was shipped from the uk on 8/27/07 and i received it sat sept 8.  so it was 12 days after shipping. and the tracking number never worked!  they said once it cleared customs i could check it with the number but it got to my home (obviously not in customs) and i still couldn't find it.  i'm sure it'll arrive soon.  

rda.nicky...........then you probably recognized my profession from my screen name since you're an asst.  i'm a hygienist, efda.  also i am a program coordinator/instructor at a state college here in ohio for efda's.  what state do you live in?  do they utilize efda's there?  hey this diet is great for our teeth.....no sugar or carbs!!!

[A&MGirl]

well its the third day after the shot for me and i have to admit there are cravings...not really hunger but just thinking about what to eat. I guess i had never thought about it being social but you are ALL soooooo right. I have lost 7lbs since my first shot and that makes me feel good! I am afraid now that the weekend is here. This would be the first. Any advice?

[rda.nicky75]

Do you want to email me directly so we don't bore everyone with our dental talk?  It's ***@****   I'm in CA and I am interested in becoming efda.  Maybe you have tips.  The course in CA is lenghty and you must bring your dentist for about 7 days as well as many patients to put sealants on.  It's a bit extensive.  Although I would love to place sealants.

[mresearcher]

hi all! Well i dropped another pound today so its been 18 days amd im down 16.5 pounds.. Yay=)

UB: looks like your scale is really rolling! its fantastic!

Loo: You are doing amazing.. im predicting tomorrow will be 139! So i just wanyed to let you knw im also on another hcg support web page and there are a couple of people who went past 40 days and they did amazing, kept losing and feeling great.. if your body isnt immune yet, go for it, youre in good company!

[ubflossn]

it takes about one school year here.  we don't ask you to bring your dds (although when i went my dds did come in for clinic time because we needed him) but we send our students  out on placements and you get lots of time placing sealants and fills with diffrent dds's throughout your clinicals.  it's a lot of work but you'll probably double your pay and your marketablity!!  for me it was really just being able to do more things since i'm a hygienist.  you get a little bored just picking food out of peoples teeth (you know that's an exageration right!).  so now in the office the only thing i can't do is drill.  you can email me anytime at ***@****.  

[rda.nicky75]

I know what you mean about wanting to do more in your field.  It is easy to get stuck in a rut.  Does it take 2 years plus pre requisites to become a hygienist.  That's what it is here.  Let's try this email thing again.  nicoleatencio hotmail com.  Hope you can make sense of that...lol

[rda.nicky75]

Who has found the best price on Hcg and supplies?  I'm unsure of who to order form.  Thanks!

[Lindaloo]

Wow the chilli sounds yummy!! I haven't had any beef during my 47 days .  . . I'll check Trader Joe's and Whole Foods and see what they have in the way of organic beef . . . can't wait to try that . . . tonight I made the zucchini bisque . . . it was great . . . just mince up your zucchinis, organic garlic, organic onion, fresh dill, pepper, sea salt . . .  steam with a little water and simmer for awhile . . .  it was like a puré soup (I added a little spinach too . . . I have 2 veggies sometimes . . . doesn't seem to have any ill effects) . . . thanks for all your encouragement you guys . . . I do feel so much better today then 47 days ago!!! I'm a little nervous to go into phase 3 . . . I wish lyndmac was still here to give me some advice . . . I'm just going to be real careful about what I eat and watch the scale and make sure I don't gain more then 2lbs in the following 21 days (after next week) or else it's steak and a tomato for din din. I finally fixed my treadmill today . . . so it's back to grind!!! Everyone's doing so great . . . . YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ItalianMama3]

I have to say weekends are my hardest time. I have 3 kids an a carb loving hubby around all-day it's easier when they are at school and work and I don't have to make yummy sanwiches, pancakes and other no-no items. The days also go by a bit slow for me.

What I can tell you that works well is drink you teas in the morning (I usually don't eat my 1st snack till close to 12), slice up you fruit smaller so it takes longer to eat. Also make up your meats for lunch and dinner ahead of time. Have say your chicken cooked up so you can whip up your lunch in a sec so it doesn't seem like your having a chore to do.

Loads of water and it keeps you full longer! Also try Lindloo's smoothie...its tastes like dessert!

[scare_d_kat]

You guys are doing fantastic, haven't been here all day and the postings are crazy. Glad to see you guys making such wonderful headway!!

Lindaloo, we want you to say and keep reporting on your progress, you are great motivation, and hearing your daily progress is wonderful.

Linda, Italian, Mres, you guys have been doing this a couple of days longer in some cases than me, I just started a fresh batch yesterday, no weight loss and today I am STARVING!!! I do not know why, I have increased my water to even higher, didn't exercise, but I can't get away from this annoying hunger and thought of food. In fact I just did another injection, hoping it would subside, not that isn't how to do it, but I just don't know why I am hungry these past couple of days. Starting a new batch should have helped, and trust me I am not down to my regular weight, not even close.

HELP!!!!

[scare_d_kat]

btw the way, even though I have had hunger pangs, I have really managed not to cheat, so proud of me :)

[mresearcher]

Yes i can totally empathize with you. i have been very hungry lately too. not sure why. Honestly i thought the hunger was going away, but it came back full throttle.
First week-hungry but not crazy (mostly cravings)
2nd week- hunger subsided and cravings too
3rd week- STARVING!

i dont get it. i still have plenty of abnormal fat left too. Here's the only method i have of coping. Drinking lemon water for some reason it kills hunger better than reg water. Chewing sugarfree gum although be careful not to go overboard because i chewed a ton one day and gained .5 pound the next. Also try making a smoothie except put it in the freezer for a few hours. It becomes really hard like italian ice or sorbet. Takes longer to eat and is a yummy treat.

For variety if you get sick of strawberry try one apple, some water, ice, cinnamon and stevia in blender (i have a magic bullet it works great) Tastes amazing!

I havent cheated either so be strong.. i guess its just different for some of us, for you and me.. we're HUNGRY!!!!!

[mresearcher]

oh one more thing... try to pick up a hobby during your idle time. I know after a long day its easy to plop down in front of the tv but THATS THE WORST PLACE TO BE. there will be endless yummy commercials that will tempt and tantalize you and eventually drive you friggin crazy.
Try crocheting or knitting or something creative that will take your mind off of food. Dont go driving around either cause thats the second worst place to be.. And of course come here and check in with us if youre ever feeling weak. But seriously, i love knitting and when i get super hungry thats what i do, its turning out to be a gorgous and LONG sweater LOL!

[scare_d_kat]

sweater or soon to be a ball gown huh?

thanks for the support, I did the shot an hour ago and the hunger seems to be disapaiting or maybe it is just me. Yes, I was doing the hobby thing, I was painting a werewolf of all things that you put in the window to keep myself occupied, he is only half finished but he is right there to be completed to add to my halloween display. I love Halloween-yippee it is around the corner!! So is Halloween horror nights at universal studios!

I even went out to lunch today with my ex, and the funny part was he cheated! He is a body builder and would eat straw if it helped, he had a salad like me, and then a brownie and ice cream! NOT me, my salad was legit to the bare bottom I ate lettuce and the chicken, and it was grilled. I forgot my stevia and used sweet n low (one packet) I hope that won't kill be, but I can't drink without it-yuck. Normally when I am home, I am always doing work, but today I needed a break from it. I don't know if you have  a stressful job (who doesn't at this point) but my job has been more stressful as of late, I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not. I do like to crochet, maybe I will just get some yarn tomorrow and crochet circles to keep myself occupied, it is a great idea, don't think I can be as adventurous as you with the sweater/ball gown-hee hee. When the commercials come on, I look away, get more water, anything not to see all those things on tv. Maybe our hunger will go away soon, I hope. Hows the weather up there in New York, probably beautiful fall weather?

[scare_d_kat]

I love the recipes on here, some are very creative and I am certainly going to do the strawberry thing, my snack and breakfast has been an apple, I do not like grapefruit at all. So the apple thing as been okay but a change is always welcome, and the strawberry smoothie idea is the bomb! I am so tired of plan boring chicken which is what I most eat normally in fact I think I am growing feathers, so of the ideas are great I am going to try those in the coming days. The new ideas make me look forward to my next meals, variety is truly the key to this.

Keep the recipes coming!! AAAA+++++ everybody

[mresearcher]

yes the weather is lovely up here in NY. I am a graduate student in my last semester with an internship and a night job so YES i know stress! maybe get yourself a crochet pattern for a hat or scarf or blanket or something. It really does take your mind off things.
Try the frozen apple with ice and cinnamon (cinnamn has no calories) its Delish, i just had mine.

Also if your sick of chicken try shrimp cocktail. Its delicious cold or hot so you can snack on it at work, in the car.. i love it, and you wont even miss the cocktail sauce.

Also if your bored try doing egg whites for a late breakfast to take the place of your chicken. I make a yummy egg white scramble with onions and spinach, and for flavor i add some homemade salsa (organic tomatoes, oganic red and yellow peppers, organic jelepeno, parsely, cilantro (salt n pepper to taste, no salt for me).
It gives a really yummy flavor to the egg white scramble.. you should try it.
Actually i add the homemade salsa to just about everything, my chicken, my fish.. it gives everything some flavor and a mexican vibe!

[mresearcher]

also check out http://   hcg recipes dot blogspot dot com
for some great recipes

[scare_d_kat]

for strawberries, approx. how many do you allow yourself for you snack, dr. s doesnt say.

Thanks so much for all your great ideas, I am certainly going to try many of them, you been a great help.

[ubflossn]

well i'm up a bit today.  i was starving yesterday and i ate an extra cuke.  see what happenes!!  i'll be good today and hopefully it'll show tomorrow.  good luck at weigh in all!

[ubflossn]

i checked out the webpage for recipies and it kept coming up "page not found".  is that exactly the way it's worded in the address?  no spaces right??

[scare_d_kat]

http://spacehcgrecipesdotblogspotdotcom

remove space and change to .

[scare_d_kat]

oops change dot to .

[Eruaistaniel]

I gained again today.  Only this time I gained 1.5 lbs overnight.  How's that for depriving yourself all day long?  This is very discouraging.

[Lindaloo]

Hi Girls: I have been making a pot of organic coffe (Trader Joe's Breakfast Blend) and I sip on that all day with stevia . . . it really takes the hunger away!!!! Try it . . . I never drank black coffee before and never thought I would . . . but now I really like it.

[scare_d_kat]

I drink 2-3 cups every morning, have always drank it black, so yep on that bandwagon with ya.

I dropped 1 pound since yesterday so I am now officially 15 pounds in 17 days of VLCD-yippee for me! I went to walmart and and did some creative shopping had taco salad for lunch and the apple cinnamon item for breakfast, funny thing is I feel like I am cheating cause it actually had some taste to it, isn't that funny. Lindaloo, I drink regular coffe-folgers, didn't change to organic. I did get some organic tea, but I don't really know what could be the difference in coffee and tea and the way they process them do you?

Eruaistaniel, do you have your period? Have you wavered in any way for the protocol?

I am hoping to have 20 pounds off by Tuesday so that means I will be on my tread mill a bunch over the next three days, but that is okay, I don't have a life! I was going to walk 7 miles today (outside) but it is so humid and darn hot, not going to happen, treadmill here I come.

Mres, got me some yarn, so I will be working on something, just don't know what yet. Let me know how you are doing.

[jennbear73]

Howdy all - well - today's my first day of VLCD - but I think i did a booboo and used too much sea-salt. I forgot to add the calories up when I was cooking and I think I'm going to be over today because of it. GRR - otherwise my loads went ok - I don't think I ate enough yesterday but we'll see what the scale says tomorrow.

This is the one thing I know is going to work for me. I'm really excited but also - nervous I guess - I've never counted calories - so it's all really new for me.  Just trying to really get it all down right.

I can't remember in Dr.S's but I read today that you can't mix veggies. So for example I had my 3.5 oz of chicken with cabbage - I'll have to read the manuscript again - but does anyone remember if Dr.S says we can mix veggies? And I'm pretty sure Dr.S says can only eat apples or strawberry's.

Just checking - well - crossing my fingers that the sea salt didn't add too much - I can't remember how much I used because I wasn't thinking that sea salt has calories even though it does.

Do I have to count the sea salt? I just assumed that I did - I'm working weekends right now - so I cooked up everything before work.

Grr....o well.

Congrats to everyone losing some weight and inches !! Too bad we can't take a group photo or something. : )

[jennbear73]

I read in KT"S book that you can't mix veggies - so was trying to remember if Dr.S also says that....

[jennbear73]

also - is everyone skipping Sunday? Just wanted to see who was and wasn't and the progress -

[ubflossn]

20lbs by tuesday??? that's only 3 days away!!  you'd have to lose about 7lbs each day.  hopefully you mean another tuesday

[upinAK]

Hello everyone, I've been reading this thread for over a month, started the protocol on 10/01 and thought I could do fine on my own if I just kept reading here, BUT I'm having a hard time.  I use to have an eating disorder, as a result I still don't eat much and defiantly not the right food, so my body is use to not getting much nutrition most days, so when I started my load days I decided for 3, (although the 3rd day was really hard eating to much).  It's now day 6 and I haven't completed a full vlcd day yet (today will be the first). During the day is fine with the apple and lunch, and I eat an orange in the evening, but I have ended up with dinner engagement for the past 3 nights.   Maybe I just picked a bad week to start!  :(  How is everyone dealing with having families and the social part of not having dinner with anyone?  Is everyone trying to be a hermit while they are one this diet so they don't cheat?? It doesn't sound like anyone is having too hard of a time w/ vlcd but how do you get around the evening dinner plans??

I started at 166lbs and weighed in this morning @ 170.5, hopefully the scale will go down in the morning, and my friends won't kidnap me for Oktoberfest tonight (last nights dinner mishap!)  Suggestions from everyone would be very helpful....Thanks

[ubflossn]

apples, strawberries and grapefruit.  nope, can't mix the veggies but i think you can have say onion with garlic powder or another veg with onion powder.  spices are ok i believe.  the problem with the sea salt isn't in the calories, it's in the water retention from using too much salt.  so if you overindulge you may have so water weight but not from the calories.  i skip a day but it's wednesday.  

[jennbear73]

so I don't have to count the salt calories as part of the 500 ???

[scare_d_kat]

no, it only five pounds, i have already lost 15, silly girl :)

[bigeasy4]

Hi ..I have been on the diet 4 days since the load days..down 13 lbs..I can't drink all the water because I am a heart patient and I started to swell after day 1 and 2...I cur back on 3 & 4 and am doing better...27 more lbs to go..I stick to the diet and only feel a little hingry when it's time to eat..
On IHW they don't say anything about organic...I haven't been using organic and I don't exercise..Good luck to all

[ubflossn]

wow!!  13lbs in 4 days is amazing!!   whatevery you're doin keep it up!

jennbear:  i think salt is considered a spice.  dr s didn't stipulate against it because salt will make you retain water but we're trying to get rid of fat.  just use moderation.

scared:  thank goodness you clarified that!  i thought surely you couldn't really think you're gonna do that.  but take a look at bigeasy.  she/he is down 13lbs in 4 days so maybe??

[Lindaloo]

JennB:  Page 130 in KT's book describes the veggies you can mix (organic greens for a salad)

Scare-d:  Not really sure what the diff is between organic and regular coffee . . . I'd imagine the organic coffee plants aren't sprayed with toxic chemicals and processed with out said toxins????? Who knows Scare-d . . . it's all probably a big hoax so they can charge us more!!

[Lindaloo]

I had beef for the first time tonight in 48 days . . . I made meatballs with garlic, pepper, sea salt, organic red onion .. . . baked em and then made tomato sauce (puréd tomatos added some garlic, pepper, sea salt) cooked it in a pot and added organic spinach . . . threw in the balls and boy was that good!!!!! I figured an organic salad of spinach, tomatos, onion, garlic, salt & pepper is the same thing . . .  just cooked, right?) . . . we'll see what the scale says about that tomorrow????

[akelly]

Hi,

I would really love to start posting all my losses on this thread but I haven't started just yet, I need to order the supplies stat!....

I'm planning on ordering the 43 day kit from hcgsupplies.com and HCG from drugdelivery.ca because it seems to be the place everyone orders from. Can anyone tell me how much/what amounts of HCG to order for the 43 days? I want it to be as fresh as possible, and I don't know how to order by ampules etc. I don't really get it. I'm plannng on doing 175 I.U. per shot also, but I don't get what the difference is between 1500, 2000, 5000 I.U....is it the smaller the I.U. number is the more often you mix it, therefore the fresher it is? This is all very new to me and I'm planning on following the directions that come with the supplies from hcgsupplies.com for for sub-q injections but in the meantime I have no clue how much HCG to order.
I really want to get started...help!? thanks :)

[A&MGirl]

Thanks for the advice. it really helps! I also have 3 kids but no hubby. He decided to leave us almost a year ago for a much younger woman. So now, I'm trying to lose weight to make me feel good about me.
I have to say. I am having a HARD time so far. You are right. Having the kids around IS NOT EASY. I am so tempted to cheat. I just keep telling myself that i would only be cheating myself, because I CAN lose weight on this. Tommorrow is church, thats the hardest for me. Wish me luck everyone!

[ubflossn]

well 25 days vlcd and 17lbs down.  feels pretty good!