HCG

[Neverfear]

Does anyone know of a Dr in Spokane WA that works with HCG?

[delmem]

Hi.  Just on the off chance - try asking your family doctor if they'll work with you through to protocol.  The supplies run about $100 for 40 days & most weight loss clinics want $600-$1000  -  and they have YOU do the injections at home by yourself.  If you make it clear to your OWN doc you're doing it regardless, and if you have any issues the clinic will refer you back to him anyway - he might be inclined to help you... and after he sees the dramatic results, might find himself offering it to others.  

Tim delmem

[Neverfear]

Thanks for the advise.  My Dr is pretty set on how he thinks one should lose weight, and hCG is not it.  I think I have found someone to help me, I will be talking to her Thursday.  I will have to give myself the shot and it will cost $300 for 50 day program, which is less than another Dr was going to charge.  I'm looking forward to getting this started. Shots and all.  I'll let you know what I think after Thursday.

[delmem]

If never hurts to ask your own doc, some people don't think to - but can be a lot cheaper if they'll work with you.  

Not sure if you've seen any posts on medhelp from Dr Gonzo out of Silver Springs MD - as I recall he had a patient that kept pestering him about doing the protocol, to the point that he decided to help them with it - just to get them to stop asking. He didn't think it'd work at all, thought that the 500cal would actually slow metabolism & they'd get no benefits, but he didn't see any medical harm in the hCG to prove them wrong.  Instead, it worked so well that he now offers the program at his clinic, with a very high success rate.

Dr G - one of the few docs that actually has EXPERIENCE with the protocol, and gives sound advice about it.  (most docs on medhelp are anit-protocol but just expressing their opinions with NO medical basis)  I'm floored by the fact that he even has taken time to post here. One of the few docs I've seen online that I respect.  

As far as your clinic - $300 isn't bad at all compared to most. Hope it goes well for you.
If you don't mind, would be curious as to the daily dose they recommend as well as if they train you to administer subQ or IM.

Best of luck.
Tim delmem

[bettyboop1960]

I'd sure like to know the name of the Dr in Spokane you found.  I've been looking around, too!

[Neverfear]

I have not found a dr in Spokane. Getting help from a Homeapathic in Montana.  There is a clinic in Tacoma WA, they charge a lot more and have modified the plan.  I have not started yet, I just received everything today and will talk to her Monday to get instructions.

[bettyboop1960]

Would you mind sharing the name of the clinic in MT that is working with you?  My sister has had good results with this protocol, and I'm still very interested in trying it.  Thanks for the info, and good luck!

[Neverfear]

You can email Dr Jen Hawes at:
***@****

Are you in the Spokane area?

[bettyboop1960]

Yes, I'm in Spokane.  Dr. Hawes is my sister's Dr. in Kalispell!  I'm working on getting either a telephone conference or office visit this week.  How is your program going?  Any trouble with the restrictive diet or giving yourself the shots?  Best of luck.

[Neverfear]

Thanks Too Funny, my neice is the one who gave me Dr Hawes info. She did well on the program and told me about it.  I have to say I was a little reluctant about giving myself the shots and I had some question that I was waiting for an answer, so I just started the shots yesterday and still have one more day of loading before I start the restrictive diet.  I think I will do okay with it as long as I'm not to hungry. Today was the second shot, it's pretty easy once I got over the issue of the needle.

If you don't mind I'll keep in contact and let you know how I'm doing and would love to hear how your doing.

[Neverfear]

Hi, thought I'd give you an update.  I finally started the hcg, yesterday.  I was having a hard time getting over the needles.  I'm taking 1/2 cc and administering IM.

[Neverfear]

I was just checking to see if you have started the hCG program and how it was going for you?

[delmem]

Hey neverfear - did you get used to the needles and are you self injecting after a tutorial on injection technique from the clinic  ? (wondered if they gave you 28ga or smaller & 1/2" vs. 1 1/2" needles)  Based off previous post I take it you're now on about day 12 of the VLCD.... based on my tracking of others that should put you 15-20lbs down - is that in the neighborhood ?  (or 10-15 lbs down if you had 30 lbs or less to lose, you never mentioned)

Anywhoo - if you've been happy with it thus far & the support from the clinic - was it done all online, did you have a phone consult with a doc, did they require any bloodwork or a physical before putting you on the protocol ?  (reason I ask all this is that they seem to be very reasonable -  if the support is there and you're happy with them I'd like to pass along their clinic info in an upcoming post)  Please e-mail me your thoughts on the support and their web site or contact info.  

I just heard from a bride to be who wants to lose 20 lbs or so before her wedding in Nov.  Her family doc told her about the hCG protocol, got her all excited - and then said great - THAT'LL BE $2,500.  (again, based on my experience, that would be a 26-30 day cycle - about half of your duration and they want over 2 grand.)  Kind of makes you wonder why it's the lawyers who have all the jokes about their unscrupulous behavior...

So Neverfear - how's it going for you?  

[bettyboop1960]

The Dr. was on vacation, back last week.  I e-mailed her but haven't heard yet.  I'm anxious to hear from her and get started.  How are you doing with the self injections and the diet?  I'll let you know when I get on the program.

[Neverfear]

Hi,

So far I've lost 13 pounds, average is 1 pound a day.  There have been somedays where I lost more than a pound and others, less than a pound.  I had a day of only .2 loss, I was using a hairspray with lanolin in it, as soon as stop using it my weigh loss improved.

The first week and half was hard, I didn't not load enough.  I tryed, but had an ear infection and eating wasn't that easy.  The one time I could stuff my self and get away with it.  I managed to get through it without cheating, was not fun.

I have come to terms with the whole needle thing, they are the large 1 1/2 inch.  I just sit on my bed, pinch my thigh and don't look as the needle goes in, onces it's in I don't have a problem.

I did do a phone consult, but most of my contact with the clinc and dr has been through email.  For the most part she has been good about getting back to me with questions.  Some of the material she sent need to be improved on.  There was no blood work or physical, I was going to make the trip to see her, but decided after the phone visit it wouldn't be necessary.  I'm happy with her and will use her for round 2, I need to lose around 70 pounds.  She has a group that meets in her office every Thurday, for anyone that lives in Kalispell, Montana (or around that area).  So the average weekly cost is $50.00, I didn't think was to bad.  I asked how much round 2 will cost and it's $200.00.

I think the problem with going to a dr, is they want to make as much on this as possible and they have people doing and buy a lot of things that are not necessary.  I just wanted to follow the original plan.

Thanks for keeping in touch, here's the clinic info.

***@****

Dr. Hawes
406-257-9997
Kalispell, Montana

[Neverfear]

Hi,

Do you have her phone number?  I'd just give her a call, 406-257-9997.  The shots are going better, I just don't look while I'm poking myself.  I've been on 12 days and have lost 13 pounds.  The average is 1 pound a day, somedays more and some days less.  I did run into a problem, the loss slowed way down, I figured out that the hairspray I had just started using had lanolin in it, was I stop using it my weigh loss improved.

The diet part is ok, I did not load enough.  The first week and a half was hard, but I did it with out cheating and it's better now.

Keep me updated.

[healthy845]

HCG has been evaluated by the AMA. It is clinically (REAL studies which are double-blinded, placebo controlled, peer reviewed) proven to be NO MORE EFFECTIVE than caloric restriction and exercise alone.  Don't waste your money.  There is no magic bullet.  HCG is controversial, may be harmful, and is PROVEN no more effective than placebo.  Do your own REAL research in REAL medical journals and you will find this has not changed in many years.

[healthy845]

Oh, and the reason people lose weight on HCG is because of CALORIE RESTRICTION.  Exactly what real health care professionals have been trying to tell you for years.

[delmem]

I'm sure you're right - the "health care professionals" never get anything wrong... unless you count Dr Joslin, for years the "utmost expert on diabetes" who refused to believe for about 30 years that carbs had anything to do with insulin response and incorrectly blamed dietary fats - or JAMA who condemned any low carb diet in the 50's until a department head of the AMA slammed them, stating he'd used it effectively in many of his patients AFTER he personally found it to be effective...

You can shovel your BS elsewhere - every doctor I've coached through administering the protocol for over a year now have had excellent results and can't believe the bad wrap the medical community has given it.  

If you'd bothered to dig into the studies - take the "negative" Frank study for instance -he screwed it up about as much as it can be, dosed every other day, allowed half the required protein, over twice the carbs & total calories - and yet if you actually look at the study data - close to 50% of the hCG group lost more than 8% of starting body weight in just 6 weeks.  

There are 3 pharma companies with diet drugs ending 56 week clinical trials, drugs plus diet restrictions & exercise - and 2 of the 3 couldn't accomplish the loss in over a year that the majority of those on the protocol lose in a single 30 day period.  

Arena - about 50% lost 5% of starting body weight.
Orexigen - about 45% lost 8% of starting body weight.
Vivus - some lost as much as 37 pounds (approx 15%) in 56 weeks but the drop out rate was over 40%.  

hCG Protocol - compiled mean, over 75% lost 8-14% of starting body weight in 30 days.

A Dr Jones on YouTube flat out stated the FDA will NEVER approve of hCG for weight loss - because it works too well... there's no money in an inexpensive, self limiting treatment of obesity, and if you don't think big pharma is all about the revenue and they're in bed with the politicians, you might want to educate yourself on how we got screwed on the drug bill from a few years back, prohibiting the government from negotiating better pricing on prescription meds.  

You're entitled to your strong opinion, as incorrect as it is - if you really believe it, are such an expert - feel free to post a video on YouTube - you must be in fine physical condition...  but that'd be risky, wouldn't it ?  People might actually search hCG on YouTube and see MUMZEEEE - whose fasting blood sugar has stabilized at 150 post protocol when it was near 400 beforehand... or GYROPLANEFAN - who started his 1st round the end of February and 7 months later is ONE HUNDRED POUNDS lighter.  I'll guarantee neither of them could care less about your opinion.