OraThin is not oral hcg. Not an alternative, even tho Dr. Simeon and Kevin Trudeau are mentioned

[onvibrate]

and even though the "weight loss cure" is mentioned, Natural Cures Store is just using these names to sell their product. They are not affiliated with any of these names, which they do admit to. This page is for people who are seeking to do the real Simeon weight loss cure, but are afraid of needles, or would rather not use them. I am hoping this will save some people their hard earned money, by deciding not to buy OraThin.
Below is a conversation thread from the HCGdieters Yahoo group website. Read from the bottom first.
Thanks for your time, Stephanie


--- In ***@****, stephanie wrote:
Thanks, found it, but those bold letters tell me that I would have to prove that the pills don't work just like the shots do, in order to get my money back. No way I'm putting my body through a crash diet just on L-Carnitine.
Good luck to you.


--- In ***@****, Shari wrote:
Just click on the picture of the Ora Thin bottles and the blurb about 100% guaranteed is right there in bold letters.


--- In ***@****, stephanie wrote:
I thought after my last post that maybe I had remembered wrong about seeing the no return blurb only on the page after I ordered it. I was. It was on their "company information" page. I couldn't find the 100% satisfaction blurb. Please let me know where it is. This is what I found:
________
100% Safety Returns Policy
"Proudly Providing 8 years of Uncompromised Security"

For the safety of all consumers, dietary supplements or products intended for human consumption CANNOT be returned. This policy will not be compromised due to the nature and possible dangers of tampering. After a product has been delivered it is no longer within our control to ensure its integrity. This policy ensures the safe delivery of all our products to all our customers. Natural Cures Store strives to maintain the safest and most effective security distribution methods aimed at protecting all consumers.

We only accept returns on items that are defective or shipped in error. In either case, items must be unopened and still have factory seals (if applicable). If the above conditions apply, please email our returns department and we will arrange for the return shipping and will refund your credit card in full upon receipt of the returned merchandise.

Items returned for any other reason can only be returned within 7 days, are subject to approval and will be charged the listed shipping & handling in both directions as well as a 25% restocking fee.
______________

I have seen many other supplement companies offer to take back unused portions for a full refund. Those companies were not planning on RESELLING IT. This sounds to me as if they came up with this "uncompromised security" (?!) policy so that those of us that are disappointed that there is no HCG in it (most of us, I would think), can't get our money back after we figure it out. Just a thought. You all decide. Even if it's unopened, it has to be defective(?) or shipped in error. This safety returns policy is safe for them.
(side note: a 25% restocking fee is not a 100% (safety!) refund, anyway)


--- Posted by: stephanie
Mon May 28, 2007 12:19 pm (PST)
No, it means they don't want to give us our money back. The whole
thing doesn't make any sense.


--- In HcgDieters@yahoogro ups.com, Dimpil1 hCG wrote:
they cannot guarantee the qualtiy of the pills after they send them out.
That stuck me, because for $150 they better guarantee something!
Quality is most definitely what they should stand behind. What does
that mean? The pills go rancid or something?


--- stephanie wrote:
I didn't waste my time doing the protocol with something that doesn't have the hormone in it. Real hCG is the only thing that will release the secure fat deposits.-Dr. Simeon. I have been on enough diets to know that Orathin is just another weight loss plan, and not the protocol. I have been down to 116 lbs. before, trying to get rid of the fat pockets on my upper hips and gut. I was way too thin, and those pockets of fat would not go away, and they looked hideous. Yes, you will lose weight with OraThin, just like you would with the real shots, and Natural Cures Store knows it. And I do know what their website says. I read on the page that pop's up after you order it, though, and that says they can not take it back because they cannot guarantee the qualtiy of the pills after they send them out. And good customer service doesn't change what the product is. Read KT's book again, to understand why this "alternative" won't work in the long run. Read your bottles. One is only L-Carnitine. That is definitely not worth $150.00.
Please everyone, go for the real thing. Yes, you're right, in time, we will see if their weight loss is permanent, but I'm not putting my body through another drastic weight-loss program (crash diet) that will only end up having the same results I've always had before.


--- In ***@****, Dimpil1 hCG wrote:
But my thing is this, if all it is is herbal suppressants, then it's way too much and I've had 2 people mail me some of the ingredients and nothing was for weight loss.
I guess my question should have been how is it close to hCG in it's chemical make up? hCG does more then help a person loss weight.  So how does this have the same effect as hCG?
I guess some answers will be once the person if off OroThin and in maintenance to compare them with an hCG person in maintenance.  I guess we can only tell if the hypothalmus is reset if the person gains back weight??


--- Posted by: pobrefeaygorda
Sun May 27, 2007 9:01 pm (PST)
I agree David, it's very missleading.
Marilyn


---Shari wrote:
I just went and looked at the website for the Ora Thin and it says in bold print "100% guaranteed that oral works better than injections or your money back". When you gained the weight back after taking the Ora Thin for a few days, did you do the 21 days to reset the hypothalmus? Because even taking the hcg injections if you don't do the 21 days you will gain the weight back. Both my mom and I are having tremendous success with the Ora Thin. The Natural Cures Store also gives great customer service. My bottles were shorted several pills. They phoned me the day after I sent the email and they have shipped another order at no charge. Can't beat that! Best of luck to you.

Warm regards,
Shari


--- In ***@****, stephanie wrote:
I regretably ordered OraThin thinking I was getting an oral version of hCG. It actually does not have any hCG or any other hormone close to it, in it at all. It is a way-overpriced bottle of L-Carnitine (they put the latin name on the bottle) and another bottle of natural super hunger suppressants and metabolism boosters. People are losing weight on it because they are eating only 500 calories a day. With the way they put the letters HCG on the bottles, sent a little booklet with it telling how to do Dr. S's diet, named themselves after KT's books, even using his picture on their website, and the no money back guarantee with the excuse that they have for it, I am led to believe that they are purposefully misleading people who want to do this particular diet, but are looking for an alternative to the shots. I believe that people who do the OraThin diet are doing just another crash diet and will gain their weight back. I used it for a few days, anyway since I had it, and after I went off, I was ravenous all day for many days. It acted just like Dexatrim that I tried years ago. It is just another diet that teaches our bodies to store weight. They only 'inserted' their product into the Weight Loss Cure. Please don't send them any of your hard earned money like I did!


--- In ***@****, Dimpil1 hCG wrote:
No they say they are not related to KT in anyway.


--- Re: Deirdre Question
Posted by: "Deirdre Tuntland" dtuntland@ocmedspa releana1
Sun May 27, 2007 12:43 pm (PST)
naturalcuresstore . com is NOT affiliated with Kevin Trudeau and Ora Thin hcg alternative is NOT hcg. Just thought you should know.

Deirdre S. Tuntland, PA-C
Millennium Medical SPA, LLC
4341 Birch Street, Suite 101
Newport Beach, CA 92660
949.863.1667 fax [phone]
releana.com ocmedspa.com


--- David wrote:
I believe that is the stuff Trudeau is pushing through his Naturalcures.com website. Quite expensive I think. I have also heard tell of success, but have not considered trying it....


QUESTION FOR DEIRDRE
--- In ***@****, Dimpil1 hCG wrote:
Have you heard of Oro-Thin, Oral hCG alternative? What is in it?

[Vquest]

Many thanks for that info.  A friend of mine was going to get it.

[onvibrate]

YOU ARE WELCOME! I'm glad your friend didn't waste time and money!

[fightu35]

all you do is psot other sites & peoples info...go read some books..then post..ha ha trying to make it like you 'know' this stuff...lol I knew about HCG 12 yrs ago..lol it was junk then...its junk now...other then makeing guys testies bigger /not shrink

[onvibrate]

this guy is either an complete idiot or a liar

[That girl over there]

Is your whole experience with hcg surrounded around your testicular issues?

Do you have any idea the many other beneficial uses that it has provided for decades?  You say to know all about hcg, but you speak falsehoods and biased venom.  Shall I introduce you to the many women who conceived children with the use of fertility drugs? Do you know which fertility drug has the wonderful positive outcomes...? You should...you claim to be an expert.

I am wondering where all this came from...Care to explain? Perhaps if we understood you a little better, alas we might comprehend your angered approach.

[feather16]

THANK YOU for your insight.  I was looking at purchasing Oro-Thin.  I don't mind needles, I just don't know where I go to find a medical professional who will give me the injections and whether I can afford them.

[onvibrate]

glad you saw this first!
to find a place near you, you can look in the yellow pages and look up all weight loss clinics. call each one and ask them if they use hCG. if there are none, try for any Naturopaths in the area. if there's nothing close to you, there are a couple of weight loss clinics online that you can use. i think they have your doctor send them your blood work. one person said that she did talk her own doctor into prescribing it for her. he flipped at first, until she told him how small the dosage was, then he saw the potential. not all are closed to it, so you could give it a try, too. also, there is a hcgdieters yahoo group who have put together tons of info in their files section. you have to join to get access to it. its lots of help and support. hope this helps and you'll do great.

[dnagallo]

I'm wondering about one point that keeps being made in this thread: the resetting of the hypothalamus.  From reading the book it seems that hCG is the "tool" that promotes the loss of the "bad" fat reserves, nothing to do with the resetting of the hypothalamus

I've been using OraThin for 18 days thinking it was an oral form of hCG.  I've strictly stuck to the Protocol diet the entire time.  I'm 6'1" and was 265 when I started. I've now lost 26 lbs, seemingly in my primary problem areas (stomach/thighs)... I'm never hungry & I don't feel like my body is racing. I came across this MedHelp site on a Google search while looking for other places to purchase the product rather than just NCS.com... and I'm really, REALLY concerned that I'm not solving my long-term weight problem.

Based on what I’ve read here it sounds like if I do PHASE III properly I will not be able to reset my metabolism because I will have lost lean muscle mass & “good” fat, and I will wind up being ravenously hungry after I stop taking OraThin.  If this statement is correct, has this been proven?

[onvibrate]

from Simeons' studies on what the hcg is doing, yes the third paragraph you wrote is exactly right. when i went off orathin (only used it about a week 'cause i didn't want to crash diet without hcg - did too much of that before), i wanted to eat everything in sight. i also heard from another girl who was on orathin for a whole month. she didn't say where she was losing the weight and i don't know if you can tell only after a month, but she too was ravenously hunger after she stopped taking it. she is now doing the real injections.
i think your phase 3 would still help you with your metabolism though, but getting it permanently reset is another thing. the 2 phases that Simeon developed had a very particular chemical reaction going on. but, kt stated in his book on page 146, that it IS possible to reset the hypothalamus by doing phase 1 only, but "very strictly" for 90 to 120 days. no hcg. the weight loss is much slower. but, i don't know. i went all organic for about a year one time, lost weight slowly, got thin, but still had 3 pouches of fat protruding rudely on my hips and gut! so, to me the real hcg is crucial to losing weight and getting reshaped and 'reset' at the same time.
time will tell for the orathin users, but the ones on the other website, either just  left the site, because we never heard from them anymore, or they switched to real hcg.
you decide what you feel is right for you.

[Sharkie7]

hello - below is a double-blind study on oral-hCG

"Utility of an oral presentation of hCG for the managemnet of obesity" by

Dr. Daniel Bellusciot,
Dr. Leonor Ripamonte,
Dr. Marcelo Wolansky

All 3 authors have credentials too numerous to list. This is no argument that in the past oral hCG was not a viable option. But in recent years it has been proven by scientific study that it is as effective as hCG injections. I also agree that there are some sites out there that are selling oral hCG knockoffs, just as with hCG injections. Releana.com and Ora Thin are 2 proven oral hCG weightloss options. I challenge some of you to provide concrete documented proof to uneffectiveness of oral hCG and not just quote what "others/other websites" have said. I have personally used Ora Thin with great success and have not gained the weight back. I followed Dr. Simeon's protocol. I also strongly recommend that hCG users, whether oral or injected, strictly follow Phase 3. This is of utmost importance as it is equally as important as Phase 2. Good luck to all!!

[onvibrate]

i have a copy of that study and this is true about oral hcg. orathin is not oral hcg. i hope you don't work for naturalcuresstore.

[Sharkie7]

Thank you for your reply onvibrate. I do not work for naturalcuresstore.com however. Anywhere can I find info that ora thin is not an oral hcg? thanks! also why have i seen and heard so many positive results from others on ora thin? they are losing the problem area fat and are keeping the weight off after the protocol. Thanks for your help.

[onvibrate]

the ingredients show that it isn't oral hcg. even their website says that they agree with the fda, and they believe that using real hcg is a bad thing. that didn't stop them from marketing to people who want to use it, though. and their so-called return policy is a sign, to me, that they don't want to give those same people their money back when they see that its not what they wanted. i am glad that you have lost the weight and are keeping it off! how long have you kept it off? what was your problem fat area and are you 'reshaped'? i have only heard from people who lost weight with it successfully, but have since switched to the injections. i've seen many testimonials from their own website that are all positive, of course, but still haven't heard from any long time 'losers'.

[Sharkie7]

yes....i have lost the weight. problem areas around my stomach, love handles, and chest. i did only have about 25 pounds to lose. i have always been a rather "responsible" eater, just could never lose those pounds. I guess I see your point somewhat. you ask the oral hcg suppliers and they say no to the injections....you ask the hcg injection suppliers and they say no to oral hcg. i guess the "long term" success will only tell. This, I do have to say, is absolutely the same between oral and injection. If one goes back to old eating habits, the hypothalamus will once again get screwed up. This is where the protocol becomes a little questionable to me, regardless or injection or oral. I agree that the injection is probably the "best" way to go, but I along with others just could not get myself to do the injections. Thanks again!

[onvibrate]

yeah, my weight problems have been more troublesome. i've been anywhere between over 200 lbs. and down to 116 (too thin). i never remain at the same weight, either. if i am not 'dieting' and losing weight, i am gaining just from eating normally. the only time i stayed at the same weight, for several months, was when i was eating all natural and organic.
Thanks to you for adding your insight to this thread!

[stockdoc]

I recently purchased Orathin but have  yet to use it. After Reading this blog.   I tried contacting Rexx labs by phone and email 6 times.  They have no customer service number but the sales department (which by the wasy know nothing about the product) will only relay informaiton back to Rexx labs .  They claim that they will return your call within 24 to 48 hours.  I have yet to get any response and want my money back.  This is a total scam in my opinion.  I cannot believe that I have fallen for it.
Its nothing more than a scam to make you believe that you don't have to inject hcg to loose weight.
My next contact with be to the US Food and Drug Adminstraion.

[Shewoolf54]

you can mix the hcg  the way you do for injections and instead  put .50ml under your tongue 2 times a day. This will be approx 166ius a day.  Also some people are using alcohol to mix but you can use the bac water.

[going4thin]

I used Orathin my first round.  I lost 20 lbs in a month using it combined with Simeon's P2 eating plan.  Others on another forum I'm on have had success with it as well.  Since you've already bought it I'd say give it a try.  After I used mine up I switched to hcg and have been having success with that as well.  

[dnagallo]

Just following up on my July 5th post... The Protocol using OraThin:

I lost 44 lbs in 45 days.  My son (23 yrs old) lost 45 lbs in 45 days. (My friend lost 46 lbs in 45 days... all on Orathin.)  

Here's the update: Both my son & I went to Phase 3 after using OraThin... (9 weeks for me, 7 for him).  We followed it to the "T."  My son lost another 3 lbs, I stayed at my Phase 2 weight, ate as much as I wanted & feel great.  We feel that both our hypothalamus's have been reset & our metabolism is running efficiently as the Protocol suggests... all without taking injections.  

We both started Phase 2 again (10 days ago) & I'm down 11.5 more & I'm 7lbs from my ideal weight. Similar results for my son.  

So far, OraThin has worked as a substitute for the injections of hCG. I'll post an update after I finish Phase 3.  Good luck everyone... don't freak out if you bought OraThin...

[unsatisifed]

I have read the Keving trudeau book and warn anyone thinking of spending money on it to save there money and time...it is very expensive and unrealistic and injections are not covered under insurance. it will take you forever to get the book and trust me they will bill your credit card fast ..as well as charge for things you never asked for...in a nut shell his book tells you to cleanse your bosy of toxins..you can go to any nutrition store for that , make sure you are taking all necessary vitamins and try to it as much organic food as possible...don't eat **** ...don't eat to excess ..its not rocket science

[mcconnell792]

I just recently ordered Orathin.  My Husband and I have just started phase one and will be starting phase 2 with OraThin.  I am concerned because I have spent a lot of time and money researching this protocol and want to do it right the first time around.  Just wanted to see if you have kept the weight off after the holidays and if you feel OraThin was a smart investment.  Any info would be appreciated.  In response to the comment above, don't knock something you've never tried. Best of luck to everyone

[dnagallo]

Greetings! I'm still down the ~60 pounds I lost, & my son is now down almost 90 lbs.

So far so good... Orathin absolutely did the job it was supposed to do - I went on the Phase 2 protocol 2 times, my son 3 times.  I started Phase 2 in the middle of June 2007 and faitfully followed the protocol since.

I've turned many, many friends onto the program (over 15!!!) - and it's pretty simple: all of those that followed the program lost significant weight, those who didn't follow PHASE 3 have gained weight back.  

It's pretty simple: follow the program with OraThin as a substitue & it works... But do yourself a favor... my experience has been that the most critical phase IS Phase 3 - after the weight loss.  Follow P3 and you can keep the weight off.

This is not about luck, it's about obedience! Obey the program and it will work.  

One last thing: I began exercising using the Urban Rebounder in Aug. 2007 and lost more inches around my waist than most everyone else I know who did the Protocol (I went from a 46" to a 36" waist!).