hcg diet

[mid123]

yes I would say I do but I have time I'm in no rush.  The reason I ask about the storage is because on the hcgdietinfo page they only speak of the Bact. solution as aiding a mixed 5000IU for a month due to the benzyl aclohol used as a preservative. Some people say they freeze their pre-mixed  syringes, however, I don't like that because hormones are proteins and they brake down that way.  I know it needs to be out of light/room temp. but is that enough? Come  on, give a nubee a break, I'm trying to figure this all out so when I get this stuff I know what I'm doing.  Sorry in it's annoying.
What about the colon cleanse/tea? what are your thoughts?  The only reason I wrote you is because you seem to have so much knowledge, there is much bad info out there and I don't want to screw this up.   thanks

[mid123]

can anyone please tell me if you can eat crab legs-straight no butter ect.?  I haven't been able to print the whole simeon's page yet as my printer is down.  I know he lists a few white fish and someone earlier said as long as it's white and low oil so I thought it might be ok though it's not "fish" it's shell fish but 0 fat/oil  so happy I found this page..any info. would be great.

[sthrnbelle]

What are the different dosages in the HCG shots?  A dr that I am thinking of going to says that it will vary from 1000-3000 USP units/ 1-3 ccs?  What does that mean?  I am seeing numbers like 35 units, so does anyone know what the best dosage is?

[Lindaloo]

NHW's needles are 1/2" long  . . . . with your supply comes a diagram of a human body and it shows where to inject (below the navel, top of either thigh and in either upper arm) they said you were to rotate areas, so that's what I do. I squeeze the area and put the neeedle in (I don't really feel it) after I pull it out . . . I feel pressure like wfinspector says but that's all  . . . really not so bad, I promise! I believe it's reaching my muscle.

[ubflossn]

if it's only 1/2 inch long it's probably only going thru the soft tissue layers but hey, who cares right!  it's working great for ya!!!  how do you pinch the area on the arm and give yourself a shot? my only concern with giving myself shots is an embolism but as long as i stay sub!Q i don't think that's a huge problem.  i'm a dental hygienist and i've seen tons of shots though i've never given one.  ohio has just recently made it legal for me to give them (of course there's additional training for that) so who knows, maybe some day this will all be part of my job and i'll laugh at how nervous i was!  i think i'll practice on an orange in the mean time.

mid123..........if you can't download simeons book go directly to barnes and noble and pick up a copy of k trudeau's book.........the wieght loss cure "they" don't want you to know about.........and read up.  phase 2&3 are pretty much a copy of simeones research and should set you on the right path.  

[ItalianMama3]

Ok my needles are about an inch long. I withdrawl  the b-12 with a bigger needle not to dull the tip of the one pucturing my skin and than swap out the needle to the smaller one 30G 1 and then I squeeze the upper thigh with thumb index fingers and inject. I do get a soreness for about an hour with that. I figured it was the b-12....  maybe it cause I'm actually going deep enough...

Ubflo: I am going to be getting mine from a pharmacy near me, I'm not ordering it online cause my Dr. agreed to doing it. I figure she can also write a slip for needles and the solution for mixing. I just need to figure out what.

Loo: since I'm not getting mine from NWH - I'd like a copy of the diagram if you have a scanner and could email it to me; lemondropmaster    at    hotmail   dot  com

mid123: I have a copy on my computer of the Dr. Simeons I can email it to you just give me your email.  Its a word.doc

[ItalianMama3]

As I re-read your very informative post to mid123.... I'm sure I am doing the IM injection with my B-12.  I was shown by the nurse at the Fibro & Fatigue center to go straight down into my muscle like you said and with an inch needle and soreness I think I've got it!

Yeah one less thing to worry about!

[mid123]

e-mail is ***@**** thanks so much.  Have you all done the cleansing routine first before starting the injections?

[Lindaloo]

Sorry Mama, my scanner is down in Florida, I'm up in NY helping my mom sell her house . . . . but since you're going to your doctor just ask her to show you where to inject.

[mojo mom]

hey all. been out for a couple days n see all these new faces... wow!  just want to update everybody, I still have not received my order from drugdeliverydotca that I placed on the 14th of august. I called again and they said a couple more days!!!  

how much longer???
I've been sticking to vlcd inspite of no shots and I also stopped the hcg shots at the clinic for now. but only because I'm not so sure they're really hcg! glad to hear about everybody else though!

[ubflossn]

so are we still starting about the same time?  about the first week of sept? how much are you hoping to lose?  you got your family doc to write the rx?  that's a good sign!

[ubflossn]

i ordered my product from same place.  order was posted on the 22nd and i got a confirmation call on the 24th that they had received my pmt.  i also paid extra for speedy service (did you pay that?) and today i was informed that my order was shipped.  i estimate it should be here early-mid next week.  i will be just ending my monthly cycle about then so i'll be ready to go!!!

[ItalianMama3]

check your email.... yes... to the liver cleanse. I think it’s very beneficial regardless of starting the injections or not. Getting rid of toxins and other **** in us is always a good thing. I actually had blood work recently and I was being checked for Candida it all came back normal that’s the only reason I didn't do that one.  

[ItalianMama3]

Yep totally the first week- I'll probably start the 5th because I see her the 4th. I actually have a lot to lose. I'll probably go through it twice. Let me know when you do so we can get each other through that first week....! My email is on that last post to Lindaloo.

I think it is very good!!! I am thankful!

[mresearcher]

i think you should definately speak to a physician about your period question. Maybe call NHW and see if they have a physician that can advise you on what to do regarding shots during that "time"

[ubflossn]

so how hard is it to aspirate and inject for yourself?  

[Lindaloo]

I asked Brock at NHW about it and she said I may just get a bit cranky .. . and that they say not to inject during this time as woman with their uterus may bleed more . . .  I'm going to call and see if I can speak with their doctor . . . she said the doc is in once a week. Thanks M!

[jennbear73]

I know in KT's book he says to go to your Doctor first and ask for the injections there - Has no one tried this? I'm going to the Doc on Thursday - and pretty much demanding that I get a prescription - other doctors do it in the US - you just got to find one - I mean - wouldn't you want to get it on insurance? Anyone ask their doctor?

[wfinspector]

I applaude your wanting to do additional research and don't take any of my comments as being critical to that. I just want to stress that injecting a substance into your body is a serious matter and you should know all there is to know before begining. Now there are many different approaches to the 2 plans (KT & Simeons) in these forums. Most have been tweaked. Injection amounts differ depending on where you go for the HCG. Mixing and storage in these forums differ, either by the Simeons book or some are premix and frozen. I can only post comments on the Simeons plan for anyone that inquires. Simeons recommends refrigerated storage. It was recommended not to premix over 5000 IU to insure potency while stored. All mixing calculations are set up to provide either a 125,150 or 200 IU injection in a 1CC shot. Believe me you don't want to have to push more than 1CC at a time. It was noted in the book that exceeding 200IU/ED may have an opposite effect and cause weight gain. The large IU amounts I read posted here I can't comment on. They are either tweaked plans or incorrect postings. I have only known large IU doses of 3000 to 5000 IU weekly to be used by bodybuilders after a steroid cycle. And these amounts are not for weight loss. There is no cleanse phase in the Simeons plan. Dr. Gonzo has posted in another thread that the cleanse phase while  not necessary for this to work is still a good thing for the colon. He stated however that this could be accomplished the same as any pre operative procedure and the solutions are available at any pharmacy. Dr.Gonzo stated that as long as you are having regular BM's it is not critical to the plan. I did not cleanse.      

[wfinspector]

A Dr. may prescribe it and even administer the treatment. However, I'm not sure that insurance companies acknowledge this as approved treatment for obesity. HCG is primarily a treatment for reproductive disorders.

[wfinspector]

ok, unfortuately I seem to have reached a stall in the weight loss. Have only lost .2 lbs. in the last 2 days. I anticipated this but not so early. Even though I am half way to the ideal body weight. I'll give it 1 more day to resume and if it doesn't I will resort to the apple per day as described in the following Simeons plan. An apple-day begins at lunch and continues until just before lunch of the following day. The patients are given six large apples and are told to eat one whenever they feel the desire though six apples is the maximum allowed. During an apple-day no other food or liquids except plain water are allowed and of water they may only drink just enough to quench an uncomfortable thirst if eating an apple still leaves them thirsty. Most patients feel no need for water and are quite happy with their six apples. Needless to say, an apple-day may never be given on the day on which there is no injection. The apple-day produces a gratifying loss of weight on the following day, chiefly due to the elimination of water. This water is not regained when the patients resume their normal 500-calorie diet at lunch, and on the following days they continue to lose weight satisfactorily.

[wfinspector]

I was very nervous when I mix the first batch and also on the first injection. Now it is just routine. Always remember that vials that are empty you will need to remove are in order to discharge solution into them. Vials such as bac. water that contain solution you will have to inject air in order to remove solution from them etc. When filling the syringe always pull the plunger back farther than the CC amount you are going to load before inserting into the vial and inject that air into the vial. Invert the vial and pull the plunger back slowly keeping the end of the needle in the solution and it should fill the syringe close to the amount of air you dispersed. Bleed any air bubble in the syringe back into the vial. When injecting always pull back slightly on the syringe once inserted  to check for blood. If you see blood flow on the back draw you must remove the syringe and discard the sloution and reload a new one and move the injection site. Note: blood on the draw back rarely happens but if it does you will have to discard that syringe and solution.    

[FYRANCES]

i'm on the plan (semeons) and it works 125iu to200iu. no more no less, the inspector is on the money, listen to him he knows what he's talking about. . and NO, insurance comp. don't reimburse.
later

[ubflossn]

what has your success been like?  how far along on the protocol are you?

[mojo mom]

my weight loss has come to a screeching halt!!!  as I mentioned before I stopped the shots at the clinic, and am waiting for my shipment! I am doing my best to eat extremely healthy but low cal. I'm not gaining but not losing either!

I'm going to give my shipment another day then call drugdeliverydotca...  again!    

[wfinspector]

Why would you think the shots at the clinic were not real and stop them? You most likely would not be able to withstand the 500 calorie a day if they were not.Anyway, the hcg remains in your system for 3 days after the shot. So keep on the diet for that time and you should remain where you are. No loss is ok but no gain is better. You cannot sustain the hunger when the hcg is out of your system you will have to increase your calorie intake. You will need more protein or you will strip your body of  muscle Not sure what kind of plan you were on previously but let me stress to everyone that you need to have all your gear in your hands before starting these programs.......

[mid123]

let me know when you get your shipment.  I also ordered from them and would like to get an idea of time frame.  Trying to time things at start of cycle. thanx

[mooda]

I have just started reading all of the entries and I am sure this is something I want to try. I'm I write to believe that hcgdiets.com has the best price for everything needed for the shots?

[ItalianMama3]

O.k. Girlfriend.....when I draw the b-12 out I'm pulling a little extra than I need into the needle. Than I flip the bottle that I'm dispensing from upside down while the needle is still in it and I push the syringe level back up to where I want it at 1cc so, by doing that leaves no air bubbles in the injection.  

Now I swap out the needle heads to the smaller size and than go @ a 90 degree angle straight down to inject. Once injected, I then don’t pull back to check for blood. They told me to just inject it, and it would be going deep enough.

I am overly cautious too so I throw every needle and syringe out each time. I'm sure I may be wasting a bit more. I want clean and sterile always. I also a bought a dispensary from Bartell Drugs in the Pharmacy and it was like $5.00 for the container and $1.50 more to dispose of the needles once the container is full.

[ItalianMama3]

So you never said yourself....will you be on this long haul run with me like 2 times??

But I have too see how good 45 days looks first then go to plan 2 (which I know you have to wait 6 weeks to restart)  

Than I can become the woman I was before 3 pregnancies took my shape in a whole other direction...! They had my body for 12 years on loan and now I am terminating any further borrowings of that body.

It is now mine to make beautiful once again!!

[ubflossn]

are you injecting into your leg?  i know what you mean.  after the kids noting is where you left it!!!  mine are 22 and 11 and like you, i'm ready to get my life back!  seriously i have about 50-55lbs to lose.  if i lose a pound a day i'll be pretty darn close after one round but i'm not opposed to going two if i need to.  i guess i'll have to see where i am after the initial run.  i'm so excited to start this i wish the stuff would just hurry up and get here.  the neg side of my brain is worried for a whole other reason though.  what if this works for everyone but me!  i've been fine with my weight even after the kids until i turned 40.  i'm going to be 44 in sept and i've been dieting since the big 4-0 and still put on about 10lbs a year since hitting that nasty landmark!  i'm trying to be positive and keep my brain in a good place so let's push each other along!!!

[wfinspector]

ok I'm back on track again. Down another 1.8 lbs this morning. So if yall hit a snag in the lbs.per day weight loss, remember as long as you're not gaining you have not done anything wrong.  

[ubflossn]

did you have to resort to the apple day or did it just get back on track on it's own?  

[ejph]

Just got my supplies from GHI medical/RX pharmacy and am going to start on Sunday.  The instructions are pretty vague and I have never given myself an injection before.  It says to K pinch the skin.  Can anyone explain this and how deep do I put the needle in?  Also I see that HCG is sometimes used for fertility purposes, will I need to be extra careful with my husband while on these injections?

[ItalianMama3]

If you go back up the posts a few days the one from wfinspector to mid123 are great directions on how to inject !

Good luck!

[ItalianMama3]

Yes I am doing the leg upper thigh on the front.....

You can't let the negative in....... if it shows up tell it to go away! We can and will do this!! I think the most prepared we are mentally and making sure we have all the support around us, we WILL succeed!

Some thing I'm doing to help the process is I found a picture from before I had my 3 kids. Not like High School where theres was no body fat. It’s a picture of my realistic body image where the goal is really attainable.

I made a graph with both photos and I'll put the today picture with current weight and measurements and the photo of what I plan on being again with the goal weight number!  That way when I take  daily weight and the measurement I am going to be looking at what I DO want, and what I DON’T want any longer!  I will really see that goal becoming a reality with every pound and inch going away! You can do this with me! You have a few days before we start...

Consider that your first push!

[mojo mom]

still waiting...

[brniz]

Ok I have read all the wonderful comments on this but I have yet to read about someone who has been off the injections for a while.  Is there any one that has that type of success story.  I'm really considering this plan but I want to know how long does the weight stay off.

thanks alot

[wfinspector]

yes lyndamc. She should be reporting back in soon....

[wfinspector]

no apple a day, although I was ready. It just came back on its on. As long as I was not gaining I was not as worried. I knew I had not strayed. The book said it would happen. I don't anticipate keeping the 1.5 lbs a day much longer anyway. It should start tapering off. I've only got 13 more to go to reach the target....

[ubflossn]

thanks for the push!!!  i do have some great pic from before the weight crept on.   i do look at those often and remember fondly how it felt to look that way.  it was so much more fun to do almost everything.  i used to love to go shopping for cute little tops and hip hugger jeans.  i loved 2 piece bathing suits and i'm gettin married later this year and we're going to  mexico for our honeymoon.  i WILL be wearing a great bathing suite on that trip!!!!   we CAN do this!!!  Is your husband supportive of your efforts?  my fiance is worried about me giving myself shots.  he swears he loves me no matter what but i know we both enjoyed our lives (public and private) before i gained.  he's gained some too but men can carry it off a little bit better than we can (i did tell him his life will change some once the diet starts too though).  he's the only person that i've told besides all my friends on this forum.  i think my hcg should arrive some time next week.  it was shipped on monday.  

[ubflossn]

still you're doing great!!!  keep up the good work!

[lyndamc]

My friend has completed 20 days on this protocol and has lost 18 pounds! She's down to 142# but the amazing thing is her measurements. As I said earlier, she is a true pear shape - small shoulders and waist and very big hips. Her hips have gone from 48" to 40" while her waist has gone from 35" to 31".  Her shape is evening out! It's amazing and she couldn't be happier. Hope everyone is having great success!

[mojo mom]

your friend is doing a steady workout too right? how many days per week?

[wfinspector]

She's going to have to buy new clothes. Bet she hates that............HA!!!!!!!  

[ubflossn]

what is so amazing isn't that she's (you've) lost so much weight.  that's wonderful yes, but the greatest part is that it's all FAT!!!   we've all gone on diets before and lost a little bit everywhere (including muscle) but on this protocol it appears that we are actually able to lose FAT focused where we really need to lose it the most.  it is truely amazing!!!  

[Lindaloo]

Lyndamc:
That's great news about your friend!!! Tell her we are all rooting for her!! I'm wondering how you are doing! Have you kept the weight off? When did you stop the injections? Did you do Phase 3 & 4? Did you continue to Not eat starch and sugar for 21 days after stopping the shots?

Mresearcher: Did you get the goods yet?

[mooda]

I think it was your posting that said "NHW was the best place to get started on the program am I right?

[ItalianMama3]

You will be in a hot bathing suit on that honeymoon in Mexico or should I say NO suit - hahaha! ..... What about the wedding day when is it?

Ya know ... My husband and I have been together for 14+ years so he had the hottie @ 20yrs old and then the pregnant gal 3 times and the sick one since 2 years ago and he doesn't mind me anyway I am. He just wants me happier! I am so much more fun when I'm thinner. My husband also has only gone up an inch in his waist size since he was 22. So he can't complain..really!

wfinspector: you are so close! .... have you noticed any body shape changes yourself..... way to go!

Lindaloo: what about you, hows it going?

GREAT JOB EVERYBODY! I can't wait to say it's me too

[Lindaloo]

Mooda:
NHW is where I got my hgc from and I believe it is a great place to use . . . the syringes are premixed - makes it easy but I hope the potency will be fine in the long run . . .  verdict still out (but so far so good) a bit pricey but I think worth it!! Give them a call (Brock is very helpfull.)

Mama: Doing good, knock wood!! Day 10 and 19lbs down. I only lost 1lb this morning and I feel a lull coming on but we'll see . . .  trying to keep positive!! The same thing happened to me when I hit 40 . . . . I was putting on fat in places I've never had fat in my life (belly) . . . always very athletic . . .  so the past 4 years have been very upsetting . . . my beautiful dad passed on us 3 years ago and I think maybe I gave up on life a bit . . . but I know he wouldn't want me to continue on like that so I'm really trying to turn my life around and start living again!! This is a great help . . . I hope it continues to work for me . . . . and all of us here!!

[ubflossn]

19lbs!!!  that's awesome!!!  hows the energy level?  do you work outside the home?  i'm wondering if it will make it easier for me (i am a dental hygienist) since i'm not around food temptations all day or harder because i really do come home from work hungry!!  

mama......i don't think we'll go with the NO bathing suite but i'm sure scott will want to check out some of those beaches just to see.  we aren't sure when the wedding is but we know the honeymoon is the 18th of dec.  that sounds a bit backwards doesn't it.  well we're trying to coordinate having our kids here for the wedding.  my oldest is going into his senior year at ohio state and i want him home for the wedding so possibly thanksgiving weekend.  it's a second time around for both of us so we aren't really doing anything big but it will be very special.  it's taken me a long time to even think of doing that again.  my ex and i have known each other since the 5th grade and i expected it to last forever.  when that fell apart i really thought i'd just be single forever.  well 7 years later and i've found someone really special.  my life is almost perfect!  when i start posting all those amazing numbers on here it will be lookin better and better!!!  here's to us!  all of us here doing the best we can to make our lives the best they can be!!!

[Lindaloo]

The energy comes and goes . . . I defineately need a power nap from 3-4 . . . but I get enough bursts of energy to do my workouts . . . I'm back home in NY(my residence is in Florida) . . . rehabed my mom's 70's house all by myself - to make it pretty to sell (on the market now) so that's been my work for now (also have an ebay store where I sell designer handbags from Italy) so . . . I'm in the house and have the luxury to crash when I need to . . . so that helps!!

[Eruaistaniel]

I got my hcg from GHI a couple of weeks ago and plan to start as soon as my next monthly cycle is over (which should be around the 10th of Sept).  Reading all the success stories here is very encouraging and I can't wait to start losing.  I hope things go as well for me.  I will keep you all posted when I get started.  

[ItalianMama3]

That is so fantastic..... and your not even at home. Linda you are doing so great! You'd make your dad proud remodeling a house and remodeling yourself.....when's your book coming out? So you throw out the Ebay thing and HANDBAGS and you leave us hanging..... What’s a girl to do? Since being heavier than I prefer, I have a shoe and handbag problem... I actually sell a bit on Ebay myself, I love it.

ubflossn: I don't think it's backwards at all!  I think you should get married on the beach in Mexico... I bet your son would go there for Christmas break from school! Have family come down and they go home with your younger child and you and "hubby" stay an extra week!!

Our friends did that in Hawaii, second marriage for both had everyone go there and got married and the family left with their kids they stayed another week. Sounds good.

[ubflossn]

it does sound wonderful ...............very expensive but wonderful!  we just got back from a hilton head vacation where we took everyone including kids and grandparents so we're looking forward to alone time.  we discovered the difference between a family trip and a vacation!!!  we were talking about having a wedding renewal on the beach.  that way i won't have to worry about forgetting anything (marriage license etc) and coming back from my honeymoon still single!!!

i've purchased a couple handbags on ebay!  i always wondered where the venders got all those cool bags to sell.  now i know 2 people that do it!  how 'bout that!

good luck all!  keep on moving!  we're going to get there

[Lindaloo]

Mama: Thanks, that really made me feel good!! I don't want you to replace one addiction with another but if you'd like to visit my ebay store it's LJ's Loot (http://stores.ebay.com/ljsloot) I have some new bags coming next week!! I use to have the clothing addiction when I was young and thin but since I've been fat I don't go clothes shopping any more . . . hopefully that will change!!

Ubflossn: I did a ton of research to find my wholesaler (not an easy task) but I finally found one and it's a fun side business . . . not making a fortune, but a small modest profit . . . the bags are mad expensive, even wholesale!! Congrats on your wedding .. . this will help you feel pretty as a picture for your big day!!!

You guys: I'm down another 1.5lbs this morning. That brings me to 159.5lbs . . . . started at 180lbs 11 days ago . . . . crazy, right? I'm having trouble believing it myself!! I have to say there are other benefits to this. Not eating carbohydrates and sugar . . . my joints don't hurt in the mornings like they use to . . . I think I maybe glutten intolerant and my body just doesn't process the starch very well . . . . when I ate pasta or really any carbs my stomach would get all distended and I felt bloated and achey (achy) . . . . that has been lifted and I feel like I can move and breath again!!!!!!!
When I look in the mirror, it seems that the fat is coming off a little bit everywhere, not just in one place . . .  like evenly, ya know . . . my boobs are a little sore .. . does anyone else experience that??

Eruaistanie: Welcome aboard!! We are here for support when you need us!!

[ubflossn]

OMG!!!  you are doing GREAT!!!!  my stuff better get here pretty soon.  i'm SO ready to start being a big loser too!!!!  keep up the good work!

[Lindaloo]

I know . . . I'm getting antcy for you guys to get started already!!

[CHAMPAIGN FATCAT]

When we use you as a referral for NHW, are we referring to you as Lindaloo or is there another name?  I like the idea of the perks.

By the way, i plan to get started some time next week as soon as money comes through.  It will be well worth it considering that I need to lose about 60 lbs.  I want to do a full lifestyle change not just a diet.

[Lindaloo]

Hi Darlin: You can tell them you're from "the group" and my name is Linda S. from Long Island . . . . thanks, so much and good luck . . .  we're here when you need us!!!

[CHAMPAIGN FATCAT]

I can use all the help i can get.  I know this might be repetitive but how much have you lost so far since trying the program?

[Lindaloo]

21lbs . . . . you can do it!!!!!!

[SRO]

Sorry I haven't kept you all up to date.  I am now on my 15th day of VLCD.  I have lost 25 pounds.  I am not measuring my waist but my niece gave em a hug today and said that I was getting smaller.  She's seven so I doubt she's just being kind but who can tell, kids are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.  I am certain I have lost some around my waist though because I can wear a pair of pants that used to not fit so YAY.  

My hunger is quite manageable.  I have discovered that I can make a nice soup out of my lunch and supper.  Half a small onion, half a stick of celery whatever vegetables I was going to have (shredded cabbage works best and no it's not the cabbage soup diet) a sprinkle of marjoram two sprinkles of thyme a bay leaf.  I also add a teaspoon of dried soup base.  It adds 15 calories ten of which are from fat.  It is a departure, but I's still losing weight.  I compensate for the calories in other areas.  

My energy level is great.   Before I began the protocol I had low energy, exercise was a burden.  Now I have plenty of energy and exercise is a joy.  Before, I got worn out walking two blocks from the parking garage to the Metrodome to see my Twins.  Now, I'm walking two miles no sweat.  Well, very little sweat anyway.  Going to a Twins game tomorrow, we'll see how it goes climbing the steps at the 'Dome to my seat this time.  Last time about it was torture.  That was back in June or July, can't exactly remember.  Hopefully it'll be better, I have a feeling it will be.  

No weakness, no headaches, few cravings.  There are times that I crave pizza or a nice chunk of home baked bread with butter and honey.  Oh and beer, I miss beer.  When I'm done I'm going to have a nice cheese burger and a pint of some sort of malty dry hopped pale ale.  Sierra Nevada or Bell's Two Hearted, mmmmm.  Or maybe whip up a batch of home-brew on Labor Day.  It ought to be ready to drink right about the time I'm finished with this course of treatment.

    
By the way, lindaloo, you mentioned your joints no longer hurting.  Funny thing is, I noticed that I have a lot less joint pain and distension of my stomach.  Are the joint pain and distension symptoms of gluten allergy or intolerance?

heres hoping
  

[Lindaloo]

Hey, you're doing GREAT!!! Yes, a few years ago I had a saliva test done (not sure how acurate that is) and the functional doctor told me he tested it for Gluten, Soy, Egg Albumen(egg whites) & Casein (in Milk) . . . and it showed that I was Positive for intolerances to all of them!! So on this diet, there is none of that . . . so I'm thinking that's making a big difference in how my body feels (much better)!! Yea!! Keep up the good work!!

[ubflossn]

you're doing great!  enjoy the baseball game and keep looking towards the future!

[Kerroline]

Hi, I've been working on Ph. 1 of the diet this last week and have lost 4 lbs. I'm waiting for my supplies to get here...probably another week. Did anyone get the colonics done in Ph. 1 as KT's book suggests? I thought I could really benefit from it because due to childhood abuse (I know this is weird) my bowels were once a week at most...and they are the best they've ever been now but still not normal...so I figure colonics might be a great thing for my overall health! Did anyone do it and does it hurt and so forth? I don't know what to expect and what to look for in a good clinic. Any suggestions?

Also, I just started my "menses" as KT calls it (I'd never heard that before) and I have REALLY bad cramps. Does anyone know of any natural remedies??????

Thanks!!! Ya'll have wonderful testimonies!!! Do you think that other people fail (people on other sites saying it didn't work - just HCG in general, not KT's plan) because they aren't taking the right dosage and stuff? Some people I heard of taking 500 units a day!!

Can anyone give me an idea of how many IUs you took? I'm 5'6" if that matters and I only want to lose about 15 more lbs (with major toning and reshaping!!!!). This is a post pregnancy thing for me and I'm finally starting the loss again!!! It's sooo exciting! For a while, nothing I did could even get it started again...sooo frusterating.

Anyways, sorry for babbling. Thanks!

[ubflossn]

how's it going for you this week? it's been almost 2 weeks right.   wondering if you've hit the slow and steady  part of the diet or if it was just a minor plateau you hit mid week.  didn't you say earlier that you couldn't track your package by the track numbers they gave you?  my hcg was shipped on monday the 27th.  it's been 5 days but i'm still not able to track with the numbers given.  they told me it wouldn't be until it got to the states that the USPS number would work (makes sense).  if your time frame is correct, counting labor day i should have my package mid week next week.  i can't wait!!!

[wfinspector]

No i could never track. The number I believe is only assigned because it is a confirmed delivery package. However,when it arrived the number given to me was on the package. You will have to sign for it when it arrives. So they will know you recieved it and can pay the pharmacy.

[wfinspector]

125 to 200 IU's is recommended. I needed to lose 30 for the same reasons as you. Definition and move the abnormal that I've been trying to move for years. I elected to go in the middle and do 150iu's for 23 days.

[ubflossn]

well if your delivery times are similar i should have mine early next week!!!  i'm ready will everything else and mentally i'm on track.  you guys have all really given the rest of us that are about to start this thing a push in the right direction!!!  

so you're over the hump with the slow down?  

[ubflossn]

if anyone is ordering supplies from hcgsupplies.com you have a wealth of helpful information at your fingertips.  i was a little shakey on the mixing and ratios and wasn't sure about how much hcg i would need and they helped me a bunch.  i decided to order the 1500 (6 of them) and use a total of 8cc bac water and with that i will get a complete 8 days per vial and 187iu per dose.  that way i wouldn't have to worry about having enough (wfin.......i think we discovered i may need 7 vials if i went with 7.5cc) and it's between the allowable paramaters of units per day.  they were great with helping and making sure my kit had everything i would need once my hcg arrived.  

[wfinspector]

Well it's starting to differ from day to day. Sometimes it's a pound sometimes it's a half. It's been 15 days and I'm down 19 lbs. so far.That includes the gorge days.... What is sooooo remarkable is that the weight is coming off in all the places it needed to. I've lost around 5 inches in the waist so far. So buckle down when you get your gear. It's not the easiest thing in the world but, I'm here to tell you it will work.

[wfinspector]

I found both of the sources you used to be very helpful.

[mojo mom]

I ordered from drugdeliverydotca on the 14th, if you recall, and I still haven't received my order. I received 3 emails and 1 phone call regarding my order, my credit card has already been charged, I called last week and they said a few more business days, I called today and I was told its on its way out from the UK but they can't tell me how long. on their website it says 10-14 business days so its coming up on that 14th business day soon!

[Kerroline]

That sounds about right. It sounds like you're doing great too! I'm so excited. I cannot wait to get the stuff and start!!! I need so desperately to lose these inches!!!!
Thanks, i think I'll go in between too.

[ItalianMama3]

I have gotten a few of the teas....I really like the Yerba Mate one and I actually don't prefer tea. I worked for Starbucks for 11 years so I prefer my stock holding drink. :) I also received my Wu Long tea today in the mail from Infusium Teas.... which I'll play with making a cup tomorrow. I think I read one of you saying you added lemon and Stevia... ? Any chance of reposting a recipe?

Have a great weekend..... I can't wait for next week to start.

Mojo: with the holiday weekend it may add a day or two to your order.....but on the bright side, than you can start with me and ubflosson next week.... we'll all have each other for the first grueling days!

[ubflossn]

did you pay the 7.50 for express shipping?  i guess it's not really express shipping, it's just that they expidite the order inhouse to go out in 1-2 days instead of the 5-7 days inhouse it normally takes before it's shipped.  i ordered mine on the 21st, it posted on the 22nd.  they called me on the 24th and i received an email on the 27th that it has been shipped.  now i don't know if that means it's been shipped to the UK from wherever it comes from or if it means it has been shipped from the UK to here.  i'm hoping if what wfinspector says is true (7business days from date of shipping) that i should have it early-mid week so italianmama an i can get after it!!

[lyndamc]

Wow!  It sounds like everyone is doing great. I started my regiment back in May and completed 40 days. I went through phase 3 pretty effortlessly.  I did go out to eat twice and also had a few martinis but I kept a close watch on the scale. I still weigh 107 pounds. The only time my weight fluctuates is around my period and that is just a few pounds. I still weigh myself every morning out of habit. I eat out with my hubby or friends once a week.  I go out to lunch with my girlfriends once a week, and I have the occasional brunch.  My sugar cravings are almost non-existent and when they do arise they a very managable. I'm careful with food but I don't stress out about it and my weight stays the same. Once you make it through the injection phase it is really pretty easy so everyone hang in there and you will be amazed at the pounds and inches you will loose!!!

[Lindaloo]

Thanks for getting back to us and still checking in . . . . I'm so happy for you and that the weight has stayed off!!! Can't wait to have a martini myself . . . but that's a long way away, and boy will that taste good!!

I seem to have slowed down in the weight loss .. .  .5lbs yesterday and .5lbs this morning down . . .  I guess I couldn't go on losing 2lbs a day so that's ok, right? I hope it goes up to a pound a day but I shouldn't be greedy . . . we only do the apple day if we don't lose anything each day for 3 days (correct?)

Have a wonderful holiday weekend everyone!!

[ubflossn]

sill at .5lb per day you're doing wonderful!!!  you're right. you couldn't keep up the 2lbs a day.  i forget the numbers.  where did you start and how close to your goal are you?  number of days? if i read it correctly you only do the apple day when you haven't lost.  have you had any days where you're actually heavier even a couple ounces than the day before?  

lyndamc............keeping that weight off thru phase 4 and beyond is truely the inspiration for all of us out here!!!  i'm so happy to know it's really possible!!!  what about your friend? how is she doing?  

[Lindaloo]

Started at 180lbs on Aug. 20th and today (Sept. 1) I'm 158.5lbs (13 days on VLCD) I'd like to get down to 125-130lbs so I've got some road to travel but very hopeful and thankful to walk it!! No, I never gained any during this time, Thank God!!

[ubflossn]

that's awesome!!!  keep it up!

[wfinspector]

There may be no drop at all for two or three days and then a sudden loss which reestablishes the normal average. These fluctuations are entirely due to variations in the retention and elimination of water, which are more marked in women than in men.As water is heavier than fat the scales may show no loss of weight, although sufficient fat has actually been consumed to make up for the deficit in the 500-Calorie diet. An apple a day is given when a plateau has been reached. A plateau may last 4 to 6 days. So I would not jump on the apple wagon just yet. I too am at a point where I see very little change on the scales. Sometimes 1/2 more, sometimes1/2 less. It's very frustrating but I'll have to force myself to stick it out. It has put me at the point that I don't think my goal will be reached in the 26 days.  

[wfinspector]

I believe there were two locations to pick from on the HCG. If you picked the UK I recall it saying 8-16 business days from the date of shipment not from the date you ordered. Now there are many reasons for delays in the postal service and there is always a chance for delays in customs. As far as your money, as I stated previously. Surely they have billed you but the pharmacy will not be paid until the contract is completed which means confirmed delivery to you. So while they cannot track your package the entire time. Believe me they will know when you either sign for it or, it was returned to the post office because you were not at home. You must believe me they are reliable. Your wait right now is with the USPS.....  

[ubflossn]

i ordered mine from the european pharm.  the other one was india pharm. will all come from the uk though since that's the location of the escrow service??  i don't remember seeing a UK pharmacy listed.  i'll check again.

[ubflossn]

i ordered mine from the european pharm.  the other one was india pharm. will all come from the uk though since that's the location of the escrow service??  i don't remember seeing a UK pharmacy listed.  i'll check again.

[ubflossn]

regarding the pounds lost.  i think you told us before you had less than 20%body fat and it was your impression the diet works best for those above 20%.  i think you've done awesome with this diet but maybe you just wanted to lose more than your body has to lose?  you should be very proud and happy (as i'm sure you are) with whatever amount you lose on your 23 day cycle.  maybe wait the 4 weeks (or is it 6) between go rounds and give it another try if you still think you would like to lose more.  but remember........simeons said the diet would not allow you to lose structural necessary fat and it would stop when the body has given all the excess it has to give.  

[xo.xo.xo.2u]

I just started with NHW (Brock) yesterday! I read a lot on a yahoo forum, then found this forum today. I'm excited to hear about your success. I would like to lose 25-30 lbs. and it sounds very achievable. I am on day 2 of loading (yum) and I took the large pink shot this morning and the large red one yesterday. I must say that my shot today was quite painful and I felt dizzy immediately and had to lie down and fan myself. That was scary, but I felt fine soon after. Maybe it went into a vein or something to have such an immediate reaction. Weird.

I did not do any cleansing beforehand, but lost 5 lbs. the week before by starting a diet. I realize I will need to up my H2O a lot. How much H2O are you drinking per day? Any caffein?

I am trying to put together my grocery list to go grocery shopping tomorrow. I went to the farmer's market this a.m. for some organic veggies. I am having a hard time finding meal plans for this diet. Are you sticking to beef only once a week and fish only 3x a week? What about shrimp/crab/lobster? Starting week one, I know no beef, but what about the seafood? I would like to eat beef (lean fillet) more than 1x per week after the first week. Do you have any resources for meal plans?

Thanks for all your posts and congrats on your loss so far!

[CHAMPAIGN FATCAT]

Congrats on starting your diet.  Did you submit any blood work to NHW?  I will be calling them Tuesday and was wondering what all you had to go through with them.  I would like to start the diet next week.  

I am trying to find organic meats.  I saw some when i was out today but I was shocked at the prices.  But i guess that I can't complain.  If this is what it is going to take to get healthier, so be it.  If I have to I will probably just live on FISH and Chicken, trying to cut back on the red meat.

Are we cooking the vegetables?

[CHAMPAIGN FATCAT]

Is anyone using a scale for food portions?  If so, what kind?  Any recommendations?

[Lindaloo]

Hi Darlin:
Congratulations!
That's weird about the effect from the shot . . . maybe you're quizy with shots? Yes? It gets easier . . . it freaked me out at first but now it's  no big deal at all!! I must say week one was a bit gruling for me but I just slept off any hunger or headaches I may have had . . . again it gets much easier week 2 . . . I typed in earlier exactly what I eat  & drink(big pot of teas & organic black coffee with stevia) every day (look above) I just eat 3.5 oz. Glat Kosher Chicken for lunch and  3.5 oz.  Wild Chilean Sea Bass for dinner (both baked in lemon juice with fresh dill)  with a steamed veggie (organic zucc, spinach, celery, letuce, tomato, asparagus or anything on the list as long as it's organic) . . . my organic apple for mid day snack and my organic grapefruit for dessert later . . . . I stick strickly to that and tha's it . . . . 1st week starvin Marvin . . . this week not even hungry!! ~Good Luck!!!!!!

ChampaignFatCat:
Remember you're only eating 3.5 oz of the chicken so one package will give you 4 or 5 servings (so there's a cost benefit) . . . I weigh it and bake it in lemon juice and put each serving in a seperate baggie and put in a tuberware so my meals are ready for each day. I use my postage scale. I got it on ebay "American Weigh"

[xo.xo.xo.2u]

I live in Kansas - the heart of red meat country! It will be hard for me to cut back, but I know I should. I usually eat fillet mignon, but last night on my load I had a wonderful prime rib!  This load thing is odd. No one else in my family is hungry right now, so here I am making Kraft shells and cheese! I haven't eaten mac & cheese in years!!

NHW requires blood work and I didn't have any. So, I Googled online to find "online blood tests" and found Direct Labs. For $29 they ordered what I needed - "CBC" - and I took my order to LabCorp near me and had the results the same day. I faxed it to NHW and away we went!

When you order through NHW, please give them my name - Rhonda in Kansas City - and I will receive an extra shot. You will, too, when others use your name. I would really appreciate it.

As for the scale, yes, you will need a scale and the best kind is a digital postal scale. You can get them cheap on eBay. They're also at most pharmacy-type stores and Wal-Mart. None of them are expensive and are worth the price. Then, at holiday time, you can weigh your own packages to be mailed and print the labels and postage online, which will save oodles of time at the post office!

You can steam, boil, or grill the veggies, but no oil. I've heard you can use cooking spray, but don't mark my word. Good luck, and I appreciate the referral to NHW.

[mojo mom]

I received my meds today!!!!  but no signature required. in fact on the customs sticker on the back it says hair beads. I guess that doesn't matter anyway. by the way I didn't pay for express shipping. I ordered the 5000 I.u. and got 3 vials each of 5000 I.u.

[ubflossn]

it came on sunday???  who delivered it?  it was from drugdelivery.ca right?

[mojo mom]

no not sunday. saturday. I wrote that @ eleven pm and it logged it for today. I'm in california so I don't know if there's a time cutoff for posts on my side.
but yes, I did order from drugdeliverydotca.    

[ubflossn]

did it come from the postoffice or something like ups?  sat delivery is good.  wonder why they say business days if they will deliver on sat.  mine should be here then early next week!!!  well good luck to you!  when do you plan on beginning?  

[ubflossn]

were you ever able to track your package with the track number they gave?

[ubflossn]

how many days from the day it shipped until it got to you?   includingsaturdays and sundays

[Eruaistaniel]

I've been doing the colonics.  I've had 5 treatments so far.  I have another one tomorrow.  So far, I'm still pretty constipated.  I can have several bowel movements in the morning, if I take my fiber shake, but my intestinal-transit time is still too long.  In other words, I still can't go after lunch and dinner.  Due to the fiber I take at least it isn't hard and it comes out very easy in the morning.  I asked my colon therapist about why I still can't go after lunch and dinner.  She said it would just take time.  I still haven't seen anything major come out of me yet either.  I don't know how many more I will have to have.  I'm disappointed because it is taking so long to get completely cleaned out, but at least I'm going every morning.  The number of colonics you will need depends on the person.  If you have had a weak colon, colonics would be much better then an enema.  The colonics work just like your colon.  It's like having an extension of your colon.  It's very natural.  It doesn't hurt at all.  

[mojo mom]

it was delivered via usps, I was never able to track my order, in fact I don't even think drugdeliverydotca was able to track it because the day before it was delivered they said it was barely leaving the u.k. it took a total of 18 days including weekends to arrive. despite the lengthy shipment everything is in order as purchased.

[CHAMPAIGN FATCAT]

Thanks for the great info.  

Did you have to pay LabCorp or was the fee included in the $29?

[ubflossn]

18 days from the day you ordered?

[ubflossn]

that puts me about right.  i ordered it the 22nd and paid extra for speedy inhouse shipping (they say it will take about 3-4 days off deivery time)so i should get it about the 4th or 5th.  did you start today?

[xo.xo.xo.2u]

The $29 fee covered everything. They emailed the order the next day and I took it to LabCorp (walk-in) and they knew just what to do. It took 9 minutes total! There are LabCorp locations nationwide. Go to their web site and find the one closest to you before using the online program, just to make sure. It's much less than going to your Dr. for the referral.

[ItalianMama3]

Hope everyone had a great weekend.

Loo: I just gave your name as a referral for NHW for a gal looking to order. Also I can't find anywhere on whether you never take your prescriptions ever again once on the Dr.Simeons plan?? Since prescriptions and non-prescriptions are a no-no on the diet. I'm hoping I can stop using them since they will be gone from my system for like 40 days.

ubflossn: I'm really bummed my cycle hasn't started yet so there is no way I'll be starting my shots before Friday. It's coming, I can tell, but since you can't inject while having your cycle, I’m screwed for starting with you. :(    Let me know the once yours shows...... incase it still works to go at this the same day.  

I'm going to ask my Doc on Tuesday and see if it’s really bad to do it the same time. Other than what Linda had said about it may make you irritable.... what else is new I'm a woman. lol.....!

:)

[Lindaloo]

Wow, I'm hooked up!! Thank you so much, I really appreciate that!! Again, hoping I won't have to reorder this stuff but you never know. .. . I'm down to 156lbs today . . . that's 24lbs on day 15 of the VLCD. I'd be very interested to hear what your doctor says about taking the injections while on your period . . . please let me know, thanks Mama!! Please be careful about not taking your prescriptions . . . defineately talk to your doctor about that!!! I got a bug bite yesterday and my arm blew up . . . I wanted to take some benedrill but I didn't so I'm in a little pain but I can take it.

[ubflossn]

well girlfriend........my stuff hasn't even arrived yet so who knows!!  i'm hoping it will get here by wed and i finished my "special time" over the weekend so i'm ready to go whenever it gets here.  acording to both mojo and wfinspector it should be here this week.  hurryup with that period thing already...........i need a buddy to suffer along with me the first few days!!!

lindaloo............you're doing fantastic!!!  24lbs is amazing!  i hope i have near the same results as you.  i have all my products purchased to make the transition to oilfree everything (cosmetics) except the only thing that has me worried is my eye cream!!!  i know it's crazy but i'm 43(going to be 44 soon) and that area is just so darned dry!!  especially this time of year.  allergy eyes!!!!  i have corn fields all around me and my eyes itch like crazy!!!  i know i can't take my allergy meds and that's ok but my eyes are so itchy and dry.  i switched to oilfree make up remover to get rid of the mascara at night but any suggestions on an oilfree moisturizer for that area???  

[Lindaloo]

Sorry darlin . . . I'm not using anything . . . but drinking all this water should keep your skin moist and the daily sweating you're going to be doing from your daily exercise should help too!! Water, water, water is the best thing . . . . drink it, soak in it and steam in it!!

[mresearcher]

sorry i've been MIA.. I havent purchased the HCG yet because i've been waiting to get an appointment for my physical! Its taking forever since its back to school time and everyone needs a physical. I'm getting antsy because i'm dying to start the protocol already.
Lindaloo: im so happy to hear about your success! its fantastic!

[Lindaloo]

Hey, there you are! M., my doctor just left a prescription for a CBC at his front desk for me and I just picked it up and went to a LabCorp to have my blood taken and it was ready the next day and I faxed it over to NHW  that day. .  . . unless you need a physical, just ask your doctor to do that for you . . . . no?

[mresearcher]

they told me i needed a physical AND bloodwork.. is that not true?

[mresearcher]

i feel like such a dumbass for waiting and waiting all this time for my physical when i dont even need one. I must've gotten the information wrong from Brock.. just waisted valuable time i could have been on my way to skinny by now...=(

[Lindaloo]

CBC is all you need . . . . can't hurt to get a physical though . . .

[ItalianMama3]

The only prescription I wonder about is my Ambien. I have the most painful sleepless nights and with having Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that’s not a good combination. Even if I get sleep, I wake up feeling so deprived! But I'm willing to try it for a while. I also have hypothyroid and take synthetic thyroid for it. I plan on not using that either while on injections. The worst I feel not using them is more added fatigue.

Then all my other handfuls of goodies I take are herbal items, and adrenal support, Omega fish oils, B-12 injections, and B-6 by mouth. I also have another for sleeping that’s herbal and I figured I’d just bump it up a bit. Do I understand it correctly that those types (herbals) are ok? While on the injections…..

UB: I'll message you right after I get back from my appointment with my doc info........... YIPEE!!!!!!!

[ItalianMama3]

OK So What is the best solution to use for mixing with the Hcg into your syringes with prior to injection. I have heard talk of two different ones and I want to make sure I tell her which one I want...

Thanks!!

[Mary 53]

I just wrote a LONG post to you and was unable to get it to print since I had to reset my password for some reason..., "poof" the paragraphs were gone.

I will try again tomorrow, but basically, I wrote much of my history (wt. wise) on another thread...I will have to go find it and copy the name of the thread on another post. '

Wanted to wish you luck starting the protocol...good luck!

Mary

[Mary 53]

Hi again,

The thread I referenced is from 7/17  Dr. Simeons vs. Kevin Trudeau.

Again...good luck this week...you will do very well, I am sure.

Mary

[ubflossn]

it bacteriostatic water you want to mix with the powder hcg.  i don't know about the ambien.  i would hate to see you take that with or without this protocol.  i know i have a lot of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and they feel tired all the time but i dont' think most of them need the sleep aid.  maybe it's more the fibromyalgia that's giving you trouble at bedtime??  anyway any way you could get off that stuff would be best i think.  i know i've read a lot of research about that (CFS) and much of it is pointing to a viral infection as the culprit for the onset of the symptoms.  i wish i knew of a cure but i don't think one is available.  treating the symptoms has been the best anyone has done.  unfortunately as you know all meds have side effects which are sometimes more problematic than the condition they were created to treat.  acording to dr simeons ( i don't think this was covered well in KT's book??) he didn't see a need for the thyroid med while on the protocol but if it was a true hypothyroid it would come back after.  usually they say that once you are diagnosed with it you would take treatments the rest of your life.  i was diagnosed with it when i was 16 but when i had my first child at 22 they couldn't find any reason to keep me on the med.  i have been off of it since then and my thyroid numbers have remained normal.  i've always wondered though if that's why i've had such a hard time recently with my weight.  not that i need the thyroid hormone, but if by taking it at such a young age did i mess my system up??  anyway if i were you i'd go off of it and after a week have my thyroid hormones checked with bloodwork.  if alls well i'd stay off then have it checked after you go off the hcg and see if you have returned to the prestate.  

GOOD LUCK TODAY!!! keep me posted.  i'm hoping my package arrives in the mail today!!!

[ubflossn]

so how did you do over the holiday weekend???  how much closer are you to your goal and how much longer do you have on your 23 day protocol.

anyone out there inj into the glut muscle?  lindaloo..............are you in the leg or stomach???

[Lindaloo]

I rotate my legs and arms and a few times in the stomach . . . .  mostly in the legs.

Mama: You must talk to your dr. before stopping the thyroid meds. I know that stuff is very sensitive all the women in my family(on both sides) are on it and you must keep a close watch on your levels!

[wfinspector]

Ok, Ive been on a rollercoater ride for 2 days prior to  8/31. I became so light headed and hungry on 9/1 that I could not function. I have had to do the following out of the Simeons plan. (As soon as such patients have lost all their abnormal superfluous fat, they at once begin to feel ravenously hungry with continued injections. This is because HCG only puts abnormal fat into circulation and cannot, in the doses used, liberate normal fat deposits; indeed, it seems to prevent their consumption. As soon as their statistically normal weight is reached, these patients are put on 800-1000 calories for the rest of the treatment.) I have since gained back 4lbs. So the statistics are 15 days of injections and originally 19 lbs lost. Now back to 15 lbs. So if that's it, I see no need to continue the injections. I feel soooo much better at 800 to 1000 calories but I have to watch the scales. I need for it to level off. I will remain on the 800 to 1000 for the remaining 3 weeks and have stopped the injections. Will skip a meal today to try to level out and get back a few of the 4lbs. I have gained. I don't know now if I would call my experience a success because it is not over. If I get this to level off in the next few days at 15 lbs. or more loss I think I will be happy. Will have to work on the remainder in the gym. I wish everyone great success.

[Lindaloo]

Wow, are you happy with the amount you've lost? I got scared this morning cause I'm up one lb . . . . and that never happened before. I know I've got more superfluous fat to lose!! I'm going to give it another few days and see what happenes. All and all you've done great and should be very pround of yourself! Keep us posted on what happens next.

[ubflossn]

don't be discouraged.  women do tend to flux more so than me do.  i think maybe wfin may have just leveled out to the point the body is not going to move more right now.  he did say in the beginning he was under the 20%body fat to start with.  lindaloo......where are you in your cycle ifyou were having one?  did you have a lot of salt yesterday (you'll retain about a pound).  lots of things for us gals make things flux so don't get discouraged yet.  what is your weight down to at this point?

[mojo mom]

yep 18 days. I haven't started yet. need to get bacteriostatic water. 5'6 & 157 lbs now, i want to get back to 135lbs.  

[Lindaloo]

Yes  . . . this is the time I should be having my period (I know because I spot a little because I still have my cervix) so maybe that's why I went up a pound today??? I'm at 157lbs .. . yesterday I was 156lbs. Getting on the treadmill now!!

[ubflossn]

well my hcg didn't arrive in todays mail so maybe tomorrow!  linda.........i'm sure that's what it is.  i can easily flux about 4lbs so i know i'll be heartbroken when that time comes around!

[mresearcher]

in Dr. simmeons book he measures the ammount of meat and fish we should have in grams. My kitchen scale only measures in ounces, Anyone know how i convert grams to ounces?

Also is anyone else continuing there cleanses during the injections and vlcd?

Also Lindaloo:
Thanks for the information, picking up the script for the CBC tomarrow and getting my bloodwork done on thurs! I'm on my way. Dont worry about the one pound its def water retention due to your period. if it remains that way for 2 more days you can do a "5 apple day." keep us updated!

[Lindaloo]

Hi M: NHW sends you a bunch of paperwork and in that is a conversion chart . . . 100 grams is 3.5 oz. . . . if you have the George Forman Grill, the little white thing that catches the greese is exactly 1oz . . . I use that to put my raw meat and fisn in to weigh.

[mresearcher]

thanks so much!

[ItalianMama3]

I got the GO ahead!

Saw the Dr. today and dropped my prescription off and can pick it all up tomorrow. The Pharmacist today said she'd show me how to mix it all. This is so awesome! No way can I screw it up now.  

Talked to my Dr. about stopping my meds and she isn't worried about it. Even the Thyroid med, she agreed that the worst it'll do is make me more tired. I take a T-3 even though my body does make it, my body just acts like it's not making it. It has to do with the CFS.

I'm going to be seeing her every 2 weeks while on doing this and I'll stop if anything seems odd. We'll monitor it all closely. I really need to be off the Ambien it's been like 2 years and I'm looking forward to giving it all a break and seeing if losing some weight can help everything.

UB: no monthly visitor yet, my husband thinks I should wait to start all of even if it's next week.... It's hard I want to start. What do I do.....? I know being able to go as long as possible without stopping the injections will give me the best results. My doc said it actually has more to do with metabolism and such for not taking it while on the monthly cycle. I stopped listening to the reason I just retained the no you shouldn't. I was too excited to be holding my prescription.

Keep me posted!

[ubflossn]

you are so lucky your doctor is so involved!!!  when i went for my physical and bloodwork she had never even heard of it!  i think though that your hubby is right.  dr simeons states you should start at the end of your cycle or in the middle if you will have at least 10 days of injections before the onset so you aren't stopping right after starting.  it takes 3 days for it all to get into your system and if you stop then i think you will be just wasting the product.  you will have had the 2 day gorge and probably gained a little bit (plus whatever you gain just because of "the blessing") and then you will probably need to stop for the period to run it's course.  it's up to you but i think i'd wait.  it will give you a little time to get off the ambien.  you'll probably get a headache and some discomfort from going off that.  if you start the shots you might just make it worse.  my hcg hasn't arrived yet and i ended my period on friday so i'm ready and waiting!!!   what size needles did she order and where will you be admin the shots?

[ItalianMama3]

I'm glad to see you made it over to this one...... it's much more fun here...nobody is negative only those happy to be here. I read your post on the other site I need to print it off I'd like to look at those books.

Thanks for your support. I'll take it all, I look forward to hearing of your success too!

[ItalianMama3]

22G - 1 1/2 inch with really small sryinges..she is having me do the 150. I think you said you’re going with 176. I asked for more, but with my other issues she wanted to have me ease into it. How many days are your doing this time? The pharmacy only gets it in 10,000iu and than I'll end up dumping extra - my dr. wrote 3 refills so wanted me to I pick it up weekly. It seems like I'm wasting fruit of the gods! :)  I'm going to alternate legs. I know I can do those....

Talk to you soon! Got to get kids ready for bed... today was the first day of school - Yeahhhh!

[Truangie]

Hi everyone,

It's really great to hear about each of your experiences with the hcg program.  I'm a mother of 4 with about 40 lbs to loose.  I went on Friday 8/31(to closest lab corp),  and had my blood drawn, as well as had my basic physical exam at walk-in clinic.  I faxed everything out that same evening.  I used GHI Medical, from what I've read I've got another 4-6 weeks before I'll get my hands on the hcg.  So in the meantime, I'll try to cleanse and drink lots of water, trying to do too many of the suggestions can get a little pricey.  Also, I don't know how I'm going to stay away from sugar.  Does anyone do the Calahan Technique to get over cravings?

Anyway,  can't wait to get started.  Will keep you guys informed as I go along.

[mid123]

Hey All,  been a while but have been watching everyones posts.  still waiting on hcg from drugdeliveryca.  didn't order it until 8/29 so i have a bit to wait.  in mean time, i started taking the stuff for the Candida and some vit e.  been a sugar holic as long as i can remember.  since starting the tablets, a rarely have a sugar craze and if so it easily controlled by some sweet fruit.  i think it's a combo of controlling the candida and cutting out the high fruct. corn syrup.. that stuff is in everything!  
starting my colon cleanse today to be followed by liver.  heard it's best to cleanse colon first.  not doing colonics, seen enough of that ****, I work in the hospital don't want to see my own. HA!  If anyone did the cleanse (tablets) how long did you do it?  3-4 days? a week?  Also, I noticed that in KT's book he says no to shell fish (crab and shrimp) but Semion says ok in his protacol.  Any comments on that?  Has anyone eaten crab while doing the VCD?  I struggle to do beef at all.  Haven't eaten it in years, makes me sick, physically.  Do we have to eat different meals everyday for best results?  I know we are not suppose to eat same lunch & dinner in same day but what about repeating same thing following day?
Just to give some background...I am 33 years old with 3 little ones.  Youngest is now 2.  weigh in around 135 would like to drop 10 lbs or so.  Sounds like a I don;t need it right?  Not true.  I exercise 5-6 days per weak.  Run 30 min. everyday and weight train and STILL can not get what I call the BACK FAT OFF!  Before coming across your site, I was thinking about Lipo but didn't want to do it because it's aweful, painful and longer than you think for recovery and results.  Swelling stay for aroung 6 months!  So not worth 3 grand!  If anyone else has had similar situation as me, please post your results.  I'm afraid I will get to the hungry point before end of injections which I know means there is just no more abnormal fat to be released, but then what?  Do you continue with injects and raise the caloric intake to 800-1000/day?  Any help would be great.  

[Lindaloo]

Hi doll: I have/had a great deal more to lose then you but am similar in that I worked out like a mad woman and ate pretty healthy and the weight did not come off so finding  this has been like a miracle for me . . . . it defineately is reaching places I could not alone. I always thought it was a hormonal problem and maybe it was! Along with the no carbs and no dairy and no sugar . . . I see my body working the way it use to!! It's day 17 and I'm down 25lbs (back on track)!! I eat the same thing everyday and it seems to work for me . . . . organic chicken and veggie for lunch and wild chilean sea bass and veggie for dinner (organic apple & organic grapefruit for my snacks) . . . . tons of spring water/tea/ogranic blk coffee with stevia . . . . Good Luck!!

[mresearcher]

The callahan technique interests me too, but i know nothing about it, it seems so far fetched its hard to imagine it could work. My mother was looking it up online and said she found an entire book about it.. do you use the technique?

Anyone use saunas? i love them but my gym only has a steam room, anyone know if thats just as good?

[ubflossn]

so what did you decide?  did you start today?  i'll have to let you know when all my stuff arrives.

lindaloo..........see it was a temp water thing.  we gals hold on to water like camels don't we!!!   you're doing great though!  keep up the good work!

truangie.........i too paid the money for the bloodwork with ghi.  all my info was to them on the 17th of aug and i'm still waiting for them to figure out what next!!!  i keep calling but someone is always working on it and tells me they'll let me know when everything is in order. it could be another 4-6weeks after that before i ever get the product.  i went ahead and ordered it from another source.  i'm mad that i paid that much money to ghi but who knew.  i thought i'd have a medical pro that would be looking after me but that's not been the case so far.  others on here have used them so maybe it's just a really busy time right now who knows!  let us know how things go with them.  

[ItalianMama3]

I haven't started....yet... I'm waiting for the "visitor"! I also got a call from the pharmacist today and Hcg is unavailable from the supplier until the 17th. I found it for at another location for the first week. So I'm holding off til the 10th anyway. So I have the 10 - 15th injection days 16th no injection than 17th the new order in and start the next 6 injection days. I'm still hoping to start around the same time as you though.

Loo: You’re doing so great..... !

[Lindaloo]

Thanks you guys . . . . gonna be you guys soon!!

[jcreasor]

I am very interested in starting the HCG injections.  I printed out Dr Simeions "Pounds and Inches" manuscript.  I also purchased KT book and have read the entire thing.  I would like to know how and where you received the injections.  How do I get started.  Please email me at ***@****
Thanks

[ubflossn]

well nothing in the mail today!!!  it has been 15 days since the order was placed and 9 days of deliverable mail so i'm calling!  

[Mygutis2big]

Are most here giving themselves the SubQ shots or IM shots. Also, does NHW supply needles and syringes; if so, are they long enough for IM shots? I'm going with the original diet protocol of Dr. Simeons, and he suggests IM shots. Has anyone taking the SubQ shots gotten great results? Any responses will be appreciated.

[ubflossn]

what's the word on you progress as of now?  are you continuing on the diet?

[wfinspector]

The weight has some what stabilized. Although this morning down 2lbs from yesterday. This was the first day that the HCG should be totally out of my system and that may be the reason for that.. So I've been off the injections for 3 full days. I'm continuing on the 800 to 1000 calorie per day intake. No carbs, no sugars, no starches. This diet now is more like the old Atkins Diet with less calorie intake. The total loss on the protocol after I have stabilized has been 17.5 lbs. Now for all that are using these programs for a 30 lb or less loss be advised that you will probably get there fairly quickly. In these cases if you are very active in workouts etc. it's not a bad idea to have a body compsition run to get an accurate body fat% before begining. If you decide to do so have one done with the calipers. Don't rely on electronic scales for %body fat.They only use the height/weight calculation and are very inaccurate.  I really thought based on the charts that 30 lbs was the loss I was looking for but if the individual is active in the gym and has any amount of muscle weight the charts are very misleading. Body fat % created a problem for me because, once I had depleted the abnormal I could not maintain the 500 calories and I elected to discontinue the injections after 16 days even though I never reached the 30lbs. I will be getting a body comp. soon to determine exactly what % I am now. However, I'm pleased with the loss and where it came off. The problem areas were reduced. I'll let you know what the % is and how the diet goes from here. Good Luck to everyone. These programs do work but be aware that they work differently on each individual..    

[Truangie]

I think there must be some benefit to using steam.  I've heard that the latest and greatest though is the Infrared Sauna which supposedly heats you from the inside and is supposed to be excellent in sweating out heavy metals and toxins and will soften the skin and that sitting for half an hour is the equivalent of running 5 miles.  If I could afford one of those babies, sounds like I never have to work out again!  (I think you can find them between 4-8 thousand dollars for a 2 person unit).

ubflossn......what source have you using to get your hcg now and will they require copies of your physical results/bloodwork?

[ubflossn]

i ordered hcg from drugdelivery dot ca and the supplies (needles etc) from hcgsupplies dot com.  i'm waiting for the hcg to arrive.  everything else was sent pronto.

[ubflossn]

are you sure the symptoms you had weren't hypoglycemic in nature?  you know best how you feel.  maybe wait the 6 weeks and do another round if you think you still need to but if you have a lot of muscle vs fat maybe you've just lost all the abnormal fat your body can spare.  enjoy!!!

[ItalianMama3]

I picked up my stuff today, and I have a pharmacist looking for the 3 more refills I have been written by the doc.

I called 4 different pharmacy companies yesterday and all of them are having a supply issue. I was telling my husband yeah it's great that I'm getting it close to home and not having to wait the 4-6 weeks for delivery, but what good does it do me if no one has it in stock!

I may end up ordering it the same way all you guys are, the only difference is my 10,000 iu is only costing $57.00 w/out using insurance too. In the next day or so hopefully I'll have 4 of those if we can track them all down.

How many injections are you getting out of 10,000 iu ?

[ItalianMama3]

I got this mixing guide posted below off a Hcg supplies.com and it says it'll last for my whole weight loss cycle- I currently have a 10,000iu supply and a couple more to pick up.

Anyone being told differently about keeping it for the whole time?  What did NHW or GHI medical say?

Basic Mixing Guide:

Gather all of your supplies before you begin, including your HCG ampoule.  The dry-powered HCG ampoule normally comes with a 1ml ampoule of liquid/solvent.  You may discard the solvent ampoule, since we will be using the Bacteriostatic water as our solvent.  Although not harmful, it is considered best not to mix the two types of solvent.  It is also considered best not to store your finished solution in the Bacteriostatic Water vial, which is made of plastic.  A glass vial is recommended for your HCG, which is provided in the kit.  After mixing--always refrigerate the liquid HCG.  With proper refrigeration, the 5000 or 10000 IU solution will remain potent for the 43 days, or 23 days, needed to finish your weight loss cycle.  (Some people prefer to use 1500 IU ampoules of HCG, which require mixing about every 7-10 days and easily maintain their potency.)  If there is any solution remaining after your entire cycle of weight loss is complete, we recommend that it be discarded at that time.  Its potency could have become depleted over time and we cannot confirm the exact shelf-life of HCG once it has been suspended in solution (mixed).  There should be an expiration date printed on the ampoule containing the original powdered form of HCG.  Always check this date first.  Replace if expired.    

~ I just wanted to make sure I have the right amount to start without stopping because I can't get the product. ~

[ubflossn]

still nothing in the mail!!!  

[ubflossn]

well the good news is maybe it will come tomorrow and my 2 day gorge will be sat and sunday (sunday is my b-day) and i'll be able to go out for my birthday AND eat cake!!!

[CHAMPAIGN FATCAT]

Let me say HAPPY BIRTHDAY :) to you now.  I will start my life change next Friday due to the fact that I have to wait on some funds to clear before I order from NHW. So if yours haven't come before then, maybe we can keep track of it together.

[ItalianMama3]

HAPPY ALMOST BIRTHDAY.........

I'm sorry your order still hasn't come! It is nerve racking! Try to enjoy your birthday weekend filled with cake and ice-cream!  

I'll be thinking of you......I'm hoping by my birthday (Nov.1)... we'll be through these injections and some double digits lighter. I may need to make a cake this week and have it early... :) since waiting for the visitor seems to be an eternity at this point.

[ItalianMama3]

now that your through the injection cycle, you'll have to keep us all posted as to how phase 3 and 4 go..... also on your upcoming appointment.

[bmkin]

I got my hcg in the form of Gonakor also and am not sure how to mix it.  If you have it figured out please let me know.  I'm anxious to get started.

[mojo mom]

it should be here by saturday... @ least that's what I would  think! I was beginning to have my doubts too when I ordered.
I haven't started yet because I'm barely putting my order into hcg supplies today! I know, I know, I just wanted to make sure the hacg actually came first! so have a great birthday weekend. hey maybe that will be your bday present to yourself... the delivery of your hcg, yeah!!!    

[ubflossn]

thanks for all the b-day wishes!  after 40 you have to celebrate ALL of them.  maybe today will be the day my stuff arrives and i can start posting a bunch of numbers too.  keep positive.  don't let people talk negative on our positive forum.  there are plenty of other places they can go!

take care all!!!

[wfinspector]

if you are convinced it doesn't work then why do you worry so much about what other people do? Some people just have to find out on their on. It's no money loss out of your pocket when people purchase books or the supplies needed to do theses protocols. We've heard all this before from you. So why not stop typing now?  

[Lindaloo]

Happy b-day Doll!!! Have your cake and eat it too!! I agree don't give the nasty any energy . . . . if you haven't tried it and seen for yourself how it works then you have nothing to say . . . the proof is in the pudding . . . and I'm Pudding Girl!! No one is more surprised then I!! It works!! DAY 18 AND 26LBS DOWN!!!

[wfinspector]

not hypoglycemia. The symptoms of hypoglycemia while under HCG is not suppose to produce hunger. In addition no unmotivated sweating etc. The body comp will help tell the story. It's scheduled with a wellness director for the 17th. I think you will all be surprised on the percentages.

[ubflossn]

26lbs!!!  that is fantastic!!!  keep it up!  are you on the 43 day protocol?

[Lindaloo]

Yes, I'm on the 6 week plan . . . . Oh it's day 19 not 18, woops.

[Lindaloo]

Hey, WHAT ARE THE RED DOTS ON THE CEILING? I just painted the kitchen ceiling . . . there shouldn't be any spots up there!! Duhhhhh . . . it hcg!! Smiles!!

[ubflossn]

sounds like you're getting light headed.  maybe you should call your baby doctor and ask him what it's from?  hcg maybe???

[Lindaloo]

It's from holding up the syringe and squirting out the air bubbles, silly . . . Smiles!!

[mid123]

hey guys...so guess who showed up a week early today???  Yep, never can tell so I thought I had another week to wait for the hcg to srrive so I could start right after my cycle but....didn't happen that way.  good news is that my gyn was willing to give me a script after I explained everything to him.  Very excited now.  Pharmacy had to order it, will be in Mon. just in time for me to start.  I will keep you all posted with very specific e-mails on progress.  I am considering pictures, although that makes me a bit sick to think of showing anyone...I'd have to cut my head out.  I think if anyone wants to see them they can e-mail me their address and go from there...thats down the road though.

So can anyone tell me what is up with rissy0147???  what's up your butt?  mind your own business.  Maybe there are some pusher/spammers on here but who cares?  you're not even involved!  go right some other earthly wrong!  

And just so you know, I am real flesh and blood baby!  the only person I work for are my kids and on occasion, a hospital.  and just in case you're wondering....the medical field tends to hide all kinds of **** from us until they get the ok to tap into it.  My my has worked for a large pharm company for years and has whated them do it and they are petitioning the FDA for exactly this type of use as we speak.  So GO AWAY!!!!!  your sucking our air.

[GRACIEGIRL2]

Did anyone here do phase 1 of KT's book?  I started phase 1 yesterday.  Also, got my delivery conformation from dd.ca yesterday.  It took 14 days to process.  Now I guess it will be another 10 days before shipment arrives.

[mid123]

i am following the "S" protocol.  must I cut out even hair products with glycerin in them?  

[jennbear73]

Ok - I don't really know what rissy0147 problem was - but sheesh !! Live and let live!!

Anywhoo - I've been reading over the posts and have posted on others - including the yahoo groups - just thought I would join this one too.  I ordered my hcg from drugdelivery on 09/03/2007 - I payed the extra 7.50 to get "priority". I was advised it was shipped on 09/05/2007 - I asked yesterday why I couldn't get any shipping information from USPS and was advised that it was not in the US yet. Not sure about that... but I know based on what others are saying I'll have about 7-12 days left.

I've read both KT's and Dr S's protocols. Personally - my own opinion - I'm going with Dr. S's - his is more up front and just easy to follow.

That said - I weigh between 220-223 - depending on if I drink enough water. I've had 3 knee operations and walking is not my favorite thing on my list. I pretty much gave up hope and just turned it over to God or Universe or whatever when I found KT's book. I was excited until I went buying all the products he suggests. I only bought about 6-7 of them and I'd spent 300$. So - pretty soon I was depressed again thinking I would never be able to get the HCG started because I couldn't do all of KT's protocol. When I went to his website - the said I'd have to pay to get in. So I just dropped it.

Then about a month later - i really wanted to believe in this protocol when I googled hcg and found hcgdietinfo dotcom  I couldn't believe that the original was out there for everyone - for free - which is how it should be.

I truly believe that HCG will reverse my body from the "obese" chemical reactions that take place. When I read Dr. Simeons protocol - I felt like I was reading someone who really knew me. Knew how aggravating it can be when people just tell me " You just need to exercise and eat less! " Dude! I eat like 3 times a day - healthy snacks and I still gain weight!!!

So - again I believe that this will work for me. And I think that is the key - if you believe it's going to work for you - it will because you create your reality. But that's a different forum!

Anyway- I'm waiting on HCG - can't wait to start. I have a kitchen scale that I got at wal-mart that I'm hoping that will be ok to use. It weighs in ounces. So let's hope that that's ok.
I'm planning on taking measurements and of course weigh myself. - I'm going to post all my information updates here.

Congrats to all that have been losing weight with HCG -

And to anyone still waiting - I'm right there with you ! - Hopefully I'll have someone that will be able to start around the same time. At least by the time I get the HCG in the mail - I'll be past my "friendly monthly thing" -

Ok - I've blabbed enough !! Looking forward to all of us losing at the scales!!

Jenn.

[ubflossn]

well nothing in the mail still.  i ordered on the 22of aug (paid the $7.5 priority shipping too).  got conf emails then was told it shipped on the 27th of aug.  still waiting.  looks like the priority shipping is a bunch of hooey though because others that didn't pay that still got it within the 18 days.  well tomorrow will be 18 total days for me so where's my stuff!!!  anyone out there ever feel like they're always in the wrong line??  well that's me to a tee.  i want to begin before i am within the 10 days of my next period.  i will scream if i have to wait for another cycle to start.  i've called the company and no news so i guess it's a wait/weight game.  

keep the faith folks!  don't let negative people take your energy.  we don't need to respond to them.  they're entitled to their opinion but we don't need to fuel the fire.  they'll go away if nobody gives them more of our energy.  stay positive!!  we can do this!!!

itmama............how are you doing???

[GRACIEGIRL2]

I ordered my hcg on Aug. 23rd. I got a reply yesterday that credit card had cleared the bank and it was shipping from the UK.  I can't beleive it took 14 days to clear the bank!  So now we will see how long it takes to get to the US.
Are you doing Phase 1 while you wait?

[ItalianMama3]

O.k so I have read and re-read all the mixing over and over and you are the math-or maybe mix wiz here. I even went through the previous post. I have a 10,000 IU  a 30ML of Bac H20. All the stuff from the company shows mixing for larger injections. I cannot figure it out can you please help? I don't know why it's so confusing.  

Recipe for a 10,000 IU and 43 day cycle with injection of 150... (I also have the ability to pick up more hcg too, if it will be short any)

Thank you, I really appreciate the help!

[ubflossn]

i'm no mix wiz but the companion guide that came with my supplies says to mix the 10,000 iu ampule the same as you would a 5000iu ampule.  only difference is you would give .5cc instead of 1cc of the solution because it's less dilute.  that's for a 200iu dose though.  it seems to me that if you mix a total of 33cc bac water (1cc mixed with the powder to liquify it then 32 additional cc into your glass sterile vial) you will get 151.51iu. you just have to remember to inject only 1/2cc of the soln because you started with 10000 and it would be too concentrated at 1cc dosage.  why don't you contact hcgsupplies.  it doesn't appear that you are going to have enough bac water to mix it at that concentration.  if you want 200iu per injection you would need 25cc bac water.  you could go somewhere in  the middle and use all 30cc.  that would give you a concentration of 166.66 per injection.  you just really need to remember to give yourself only 1/2 of a cc instead of the entire cc though because you are starting with 10000(twice) the amount of hcg.  

[lgstarchild]

I feel for you.  I ordered from drugdeliverydotca on August 18th.  I received my stuff on September 5th.  It took about 3 weeks from the day I placed the order to the day I actually received the stuff.  I called them everyday.  Call them and ask the customer service rep to shoot an email over to the pharmacy to have them try to expedite the order.  My hcg came from Turkey.  Had to go to post office to pick it up as no one was home to sign for it. Since my cycle shoud be starting in the next day or so, I have to wait another week until I could start.  I feel like I'm never going to start.  Hope your meds come soon!

[ItalianMama3]

So since you seem to be cutting and pasting your same comment every where on this forum... I thought I'd do the same. I left this for you on the Dr. Simeons VS. Kevin Trudeau group discussion on 8/20. Enjoy it again!  

Why repeat the exact same post you already did a few days ago? If you aren't truly interested in this specific topic, why are you posting at all? You seem so pissed off.    

Your right Kevin T is a very good sales man and everyone knows he was in jail and had to pay millions $$. We are at our computers too! We also know most every diet book out there is pirated information from somebody else; it's just put in a new package. Most likely Suzanne Somers will have a book out in a year about Hcg diets and it'll come with a Thigh Master!

Every year tons of books are made with a lot of the same information whether we agree or disagree. It doesn't stop a person from buying them even from someone who’s been in jail. It just makes the story more interesting.

I personally bought the book for comparison of the two. He actually gives numerous websites, books and Dr.'s for you to get different products from. There are tons of people/companies gaining from his sales, not just the guy you call a con-man. We all get personal gain from something - if it's $5.00 off our next haircut for sending a friend to our hairdresser or getting that extra wrapping paper order for our kid’s school so they can get a prize. It happens daily, minus the name calling.

Things happen medically that are not always answered easily. Sometimes you just need a little faith that you don't have to have all the answers.

Why not let people talk about their experiences without this BS. Have some real dialogue, not bickering worthy of myspace. We can all express out thoughts on things without insulting other people.

P.S - Unfortunate for you ...when you continue to be inappropriate in the way you force yourself on everyone, no one is going to care about anything you seem so passionate about. All we see is someone that is narrow minded and not here for anything but insulting people.  

[ItalianMama3]

You're doing so great!  So you wear out the treadmill belt yet?? : )

[Eruaistaniel]

Can we ladies wear foundation during phase 3?  I was also wondering if we could eat anything sweetened with brown rice syrup during phase 3.  I was looking for some salad dressing, at the health food store, and I found that some of them had that in them instead of sugar.  It's impossible to find any at the grosery store that doesn't have sugar or high frutose corn syrup.  Does anyone have any good recipes for phase 3?  

[mid123]

I make my own.  ref wine vinigar, h2o, garlic and sweetner.  I use stevia.  Very easy. you need about 2x the water to vinegar so it's not too puckery(if that's even an adjective).  I always crush my garlic fresh too

[Eruaistaniel]

Thanks, mid123.  

Does anyone have any good main couse recipes?  I'm not much of a cook, so I don't have a lot of recipes.  The ones I do have all call for starch.  Bummer.  I haven't started phase 2 yet.  I will in a couple of days.  It's not too early to start planning.

[ubflossn]

well if you count monday a holiday (therefore don't count it) it did take 18 days to receive it.  that is the same as a couple others on here.  if that's true i should have mine monday (sunday is day 18).  that means if i get it mon i will start on tues and then i will have exactly 12 days before my "visitor" is again expected.  that would be ok.  i sure hope it doesn't go much past mon or tues for delivery though.  i'm getting anxious!!!

[ubflossn]

well i'm not buying into all those things kt suggests you do before starting the actual protocol.  i do the threelac probiotic and i have been doing a daily cleans for the colon for quite some time now.  it's not that i don't see value in doing those types of things that he suggests it's just that i know for myself, i have spent hundreds of dollars (probably thousands) over the years on things like that and i have never really "felt" that it worked.  there's just really no way of knowing for sure if you're just wasting money.  i get the concept of going organic and using filters etc in our daily lives.  i do have an RO system on my home (we have well water) for drinking and ice cube making but i don't have a chlorination system so i don't know if the filter is necessary for me.  since i don't use a public water supply i don't have all of the additional polution in my water many people have but the fact is nobody really knows.  we live in a catch 22 society.  i know what they say about chlorination systems and fluoridation in public water supplies as being a danger or cancer hazard.  but i am a dental hygienist and i see first hand the good fluoride has done for children.  it's hard to argue with that.  at the same time it is true that in excess it is poison!  so yes, i think there is something to all the things in phase 1.  no, i will not be doing all of them.  as it is i have to drive over an hour each way to get to a whole foods or organic market.  the funny thing is i live out in the country and there are corn and soybean fields all around me!!!  how much more organic can you get right?  i know they spray though so there you go.  farm fresh has a whole new meaning.  i think the bottom line is we have to eat as much whole food as we can and stop the processed food mill that runs this country like mcdonalds etc.  we have become a nation of convenience and i admit i've been one of them too.  i work full time so there are nights we get take out instead of coming home and cooking.  these are different times.  maybe KT can afford to have someone do all his shopping and prepare him the finest whole foods available and maybe it is making all the difference in his world but i don't think we all have access to all the things he suggests.  i'm using it as a guideline to help me make better choices even if the aren't all perfect choices.

[Lindaloo]

Yes the treadmill is getting a defineate workout and making noises it never use to . . .  I put KT's book on it and reread it while walking  . . . . Having to focus on reading while walking and doing arm motions with the weights and trying not to fall off makes the time go quicker!! LOL . . . the weight loss has slowed down but I'm trying to keep it moving!!

[ItalianMama3]

Anyone eating beef..... with the diet? I'm trying to meal plan and wondered what kind?

[ItalianMama3]

When you do drive the hour to the organic market or the Whole Foods. Buy their fruit and vegetable wash, it washes the oils, wax, fertilizer; etc off.  I use the wash whether it's organic or not. It just tastes better ...

With your shipping delay we'll get to start pretty close to the same time.  

[ubflossn]

it's here!!!  

[ubflossn]

happy b-day to me!!!

[Lindaloo]

Awesome!! That is the perfect b-day present!! Now go eat cake and let's get you started!!

[ubflossn]

so i'm mixing and i think i added the water to the hcg too fast cuz it got foamy.  is this supposed to happen?  

[ubflossn]

well i gave my first inj.  i'm  a little nervous!!  it stung sort of like a bee sting but i think it was from the alcohol wipe maybe.  

lindaloo.....i think for round two of this thing i'm going with NHW. i like the premixed idea i think.  i'm worried that i might have messed something up in the mix.  i decided to do a subQ shot this time because i was afraid that in the muscle might freak me out first time.  i feel a little queezy too but i think it's just because i just gave myself a shot!!!!  ok......so what's for lunch???

[ubflossn]

did you eat to capacity for 2 or 3 days.  i know it's a matter of perception and interpretation.  even within dr S book.  at one place he talks about eating to capacity the first 2 days up to the day of the third injection but then he talks about second and third day of dieting (that being the fifth and sixth injection).  in that passage it sounds like you gorge for 3 days.  what did NHW tell you to do?

[Lindaloo]

Congratulations!!!!!!! Yes, I pigged out!! On the NHW system our first 2 shots are much bigger then all the rest. On a Friday I took the first and Sat I took the second (Fri-Sun I ate and ate and ate had my favorite Greek spinach pie with feta cheese & a Greek Salad for my last supper) on Sunday no shot Then we have 5 shots for the week (Friday's is bigger) cause no shots on Sat & Sun. . . . so all and all I had 32 premixed syringes (6 week plan). I'm so excited for you!! Don't worry you may get a little queezy, tired, light headed, I had terrible headaches the first 3 days . . . but you just sleep it off and the main thing is to get thru the 1st week (that's the hardest) . . . now it's just routine and I really feel good, even great sometimes(not hungry, no more headach, I do get tired sometimes but I take a nap) . . . . YOU CAN DO IT!!! Think about it, you can do almost anything for a week, right? Just set your mind to "There's no other alternative to reaching my goal!!" So suck it up and be the strong woman I know you are!! You've done all your homework, followed thru and now it's time!! I'm looking forward to hearing all good things from you!!!!!!

[ItalianMama3]

Yes!  You did the first shot..........so from now on they'll get easier and easier! Ice your injection sight the next time or until you get use to the feeling of pricking yourself. It helps.  

You got the best birthday present!  

[ubflossn]

so come on with your visitor already!!!  i need a buddy on board!!!

[ubflossn]

you are a great coach......i think there's a career in here for you!

[Lindaloo]

I could use one!! Although I really enjoyed rehabing my mom's house to sell and I'd like to do that for a living but I don't know where to start?? Gonna do the same thing on my condo in FL, once I get mom settled . . . and maybe I'll be a rehabing nomad . . . buying fixer upers, living in them while I do it and selling them and moving on to the next. It's a plan.

[ubflossn]

well sounds like something someone has to do.  why not you.  problem is right now the market is best for buyers not sellers.  maybe things will flip around when we get closer to election time.  never know.  hope for the best right???  what part of fl do you live in?  i lived in tallahassee for a few years and my parents now live in ocala.  is your mom coming to florida with you once you get those red spots off the ceiling and sell her place?