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[fightu35]

if someone can show me  real facts this works..from a non selling source..ill never post here again....what makes no sense to me is how you wont even try to look into what I said..I dont want to attack anyone..I attack the con-men who you follow...its very simple..look at the FACTS i posted about HCG and then realy tell me you will still listen to a criminal like KT... a bit odd...but to each there own..I will not fight with anyone..no 'attack' them...but I can & will post truth..and facts..maybe I can help someone. open ya minds people...IVE DONE EVERYTHING THING THERE IS TO DO WITH LOSEING WEIGHT...being a pro athlete in a 'weight' sport..I dont make weight..I make  no $$$ ive done everything you think of..and have over 12 yrs in weight loss..but hey...you 'book' readers are smarter I guess...so this is my challenge..show me..from a non selling source ?? I got $500 says you can not  do it.. good luck to all

[outsized]

Well I don’t know who “KEVIN THE CRIMINAL” but he must have a hard time when he goes to the bank with a name like that. Hahaha

I have been reading several post and while I wouldn’t dream of using urine as a weight loss drug sales ppl are good at dressing things up…after giving them a name change. I am sure ppl who are reading this before starting appreciate your input.  So I’ll start off by saying you seem to know what’s bad for you… do you have suggestions for what is good.

I posted here asking  about “chromium chloride, MIC and b12” even though I know ppl who have been successful on the diet. I want to know if I am going to benefit from the additional “chromium chloride and MIC” or just the b12. one dr is close to me who just uses b12 and the other is a long way out of my way, Both the doctors have the same basic structure starting ppl on what seems like the adkins diet for between 4 and 7 days. Eating 1 oz portions 10 times a day and dinking no less than 64 oz of water. I think it is to primarily change our eating habits and kinda just submit to change.  After the 4-7 days they quickly go in veggis and fruit and exercise.  

I use to be in great shape when I was a kid but I trained and/ or was very active almost every minute of the day.  In my late 20’s I had a hip injury that put me down for many months and helped my transformation into the manatee I have become today. I went from being fit, strong and good looking to talking about it.  At one time I weighed 175 and could squat 500 lbs and bench 380 but that guy has left the building…

I know what I need to do once I can get some good habits built back in to my day/ life and start the weight loss but I, for what ever reason loose ambition and motivation quick. I die out quick no matter my intention but other than the 6 or 7 diet cokes a day (stopped smoking and diet coke’ing in August) I don’t eat to toooo bad, but not great and being I was already over the limit not the best decisions were made. For the last few months I have drank a meal sup for breakfast and a self imposed 3rd meal between lunch and dinner. I have started walking the long way to get every where. But… haven’t lost anything. +side not found anything either.

That being said, if you woke up tomorrow and found yourself without the energy or motivation to loose 150 lbs what would you do.   Dr? Drugs? Supplements? Or sweat, blood and tears?

thanks in advance for any suggestions or information.

[behealthy]

I've been reading your posts about HCG, keeping an open mind and find your information very interesting.  I have come to the conclusion that you speak many truths but some half truths too. To say that Kevin Trudeau is a criminal is to say that Dr. Simeon is also a criminal and I have yet to find that the case. I unlike most people in this HCG forum am not seeking weightloss as my primary goal.  I have done much studying over the last year about the hypothalmus gland and the role it plays due to a study program my daughter was enrolled in her college studies.  I stumbled across Kevin Trudeau's book and couldn't believe the information was nearly identical to what I had been studying.  As for proof, I cannot tell you now because I just started the program 5 days ago but am following the Simeon's protocol to the T........I have made my own 100% organic shampoos,cleansers,toothpaste, etc. I wear no makeup which is difficult for a woman and following all the other do's and don'ts mainly because I am interested in resetting my hypothalmus gland once and for all.  I have been on total organics for sometime now and workout 6 days a week (cycling,walking,yoga,power yoga) and a fitness instructor for the last 18 years and as a consequence I still have battled with my metabolism and losing weight in all the wrong places.

My goal is to rid my body of all the toxins that have built up over the years and to live a life that is as clean and healthy as can be expected in the world we live in today.  I'll be happy to lose the extra 10 lbs I could afford to lose in the process but ultimately it's my metabolism I'm interested in bringing back to a normal state.  I am not looking to use HCG again in the future once I am finished with this protocol.

So, I will have no problem reporting to you my results.  I have been very dedicated to staying physically fit and eating as close to 100% organic as possible and expect to have great results in the long run.  The proof will definitely be in the pudding and I'll be happy share with you with no FEE attached.

[fightu35]

1st off thank you for your reply....and not being brainwashed...but a foot note KEVIN TRUDEAU IS 100% A CRIMINAL..AND HAS BEEN BANNED  from many tv sites..THE FDA..THE FDC..been sued over & over...and is banned from selling products on tv..I guess he can sell his own,never said DR.S was..organic food...alot of it is a scam..and just $

now getting rid of toxins great idea ! the booms way ? nonsense..and $$$$..you can do it much more simple..and not buying products he ngot paid to endorse in his book..and big $$$

and the  hypothalmus gland  all of a sudden is the new kid on the block..well its very old news..but to many book sellers sold ADRENAL GLAND & THYROID GLAND books.... which are imporant in health...metabolism and weight..*more in women..
the whole reset this gland...in 15 yrs of studies..I cant seem to find..that it would be the weight loss cure..in women ADRENAL probs are very wide spread and go un-known..
its my trust that in no way shape ,or form HCG does anything..and if it did...fix this gland..what about the 2 other glands...the detox and better foods includeing organic and excercise is how 'you' are going to lose weight and be healthy...
i promise you..clean some toxins...fast a few days...start excerciseing..eat healthy foods..and skip the HCG and you will win in the end..and thats a fact..very good luck to you..and keep me posted..anything I can do..just ask..
* and this proves..see people..I treat those..how they treat me..and atleast shes not close minded and brain washed :) good luck !

[That girl over there]

Hi there =) Nice to meet you all. ok...two things. Kevin T. is a criminal. That's not a slander, its a fact.  HCG is helpful, its not some **** potion who is sold for a buck and packed with lies.

Hcg is not some bad concoction. I would prefer if people would stop linking the two (Kevin and hcg) together, however sadly, he is the one who made it "popular" so they go hand in hand. Life goes on.

So where I agree with you about Kevin T. Which by the way anyone can see his entire criminal activity on wikipedia - and its a long, long criminal activity for decades, including prison, credit card and check fraud, pyramid schemes and oh the list goes on and on. He even posed as a Doctor to do fraud. Please if anything, make an educated decision whether to believe in this man.

I disagree with you about your anti-hcg campaign.  Hcg has been used safely for decades my friend. It has been used in both male and female, for many reasons.  I have taken it myself for pelvic pain for Endometriosis.

My apologies to those who think Kevin T is a godsend, but he is nothing more then a scam artist who saw an opportunity to make money off the suffering of others, again, just as he has in the past. NOW WAIT, before you get tooooo upset with me, please note that I DO support the work of Dr Simeon's, and those wonderful Doctors before him who found other uses for the hcg.

I actually have started a post on hcg and what it actually does, if you want to read on. Its full of info, and I am happy to answer questions.

-Hug a Stranger, they might be related to you.

[fightu35]

great post on the SLIME BALL KEVIN..hey maybe he will come after me ! his pupetts seem to love him..he forgets to tell them the kick bakcs he gets and the $$$ he got for every single product he pimped in his book....girl.you say HCG is been used for years and for many things..you are right..mostly for young boys ..lil 'friends' did you see my post about it being used in the body building world ? so why is it all the things its used for..those  people never lost weight ??? as i said in the other post and I challenge anyone to  prove me wrong..or fail
I had a  ? if pregant women  give 'AWAY' all this fat..why do some many get fat & stay fat after ?? hmm....and moms give kids there # of fat cells  in there 3rd trimester.....and that dont make them skinny..lol

your way.
HCG , cleanseing... blah foods..and only 500 calories (infants need 1,200) excercise (most will not do ,that the sell point) and risks ,side affects

the right way
800-1,200 cals some people even 1,500 (depends how fat you are),all foods with in common sense..no pills...no powders..no so called 'cleanseing' and alot of TP  excercise ( this is the part lazy folk want to skip) sorry folks
*benny

[onvibrate]

tried that. still fat

[That girl over there]

Actually, the reason women do not lose weight -typically- with the natural production of hcg, is that she does not eat a low caloric diet while pregnant.(for obvious reasons)
In fact, most women tend to eat more. Thus gaining weight.  Typically women feel the hunger and cravings ( the body telling her that she should be giving the life growing within her certain sustenance) and she will "over do" it, with the notion that she is eating for two, or that she can eat anything she wants because of the misconception "it is allowed".  I hope this clears up why women do not lose weight while pregnant.

Note: I will never support Kevin Trudeau however, so please do not ever ask me my opinion of him unless you want an earful.

Here is an example, which I hope can clarify some points made.

Go the other way with a pregnant woman. One who eats very little or perhaps very unhealthy foods ( McDonald's or whatever - just an example) and perhaps she doesn't eat the fruits and vegetable she should or any combinations or calcium enriched foods or protein, AND YET....she has a healthy baby.
How is that possible? Biologically explained - the body released the nutrients from the adipose, which enabled the baby to extract what he or she needed during the developing stages.

This is a natural production and biological explanation of the Human chorionic gonadotropin (hcg).  The HCG actually does what it is naturally intended to do. Release nutrients to the body. It wasn't until the research done by scientist in the 1920's and then again more so in in the 1950's that made this information more widely known to the Medical industry.  I may not agree with the way its pushed today,(another earful of info if you ask me about it) but I do not discount its valuable assistance to those who need it.  

[onvibrate]

People like me.

Isn't that the only reason that the placenta makes hCG, is to release nutrients for the baby? It's injected uses on boys, or for fertility problems that the nutritionists and biologists on all of these internet sites keep citing as the only use for hCG were developed by scientists, much later on ...

[That girl over there]

Some very early documented use for hCG dates back to the 1920's.  Used on boys at the time, was to reconstruct their bodies, reduce body fat and reshape them as it stimulated a balance.  There is research happening, as we speak, on its use against cancer as well. It's all very exciting.

[onvibrate]

Sounds great!

the use releasing nutrients for the baby was definitely first though, dating back to the dawn of mankind!!

[That girl over there]

Yes it was. You are very correct, but I don't think science can take credit for that amazing benefit.

[Pharangaze]

I just wanted to comment on a few things said here.

First Topic- Kevin Trudeau. Yes, he has a criminal record. So what? Which one of us has NEVER made a mistake? The answer is that no one is without fault. I don't really care if his name is Lucifer- he is right in what he says. A few years ago, people thought you were gullible if you went for a reiki treatment, and crazy if you practiced Reiki. Now, Reiki is becoming more mainstream all the time. (In fact, Kevin Trudeau recommends getting a reiki treatment.)  
I have done a number of things he suggests in his books. They have all worked out wonderfully.

HCG Protocol: I am on day 18 of the protocol (phase II). My starting weight was 167 lbs. Today (day 18) I weigh 151 lbs. My goal is 135 and I know I will get there. To anyone who says the hcg protocol doesn't work- obviously you haven't tried it OR you haven't followed it correctly. I am not hungry, I have energy, my skin looks better and I can just squeeze into my former skinny jeans now. (I couldn't even get them up over my hips before.) Also, my feet have improved A LOT. It's helping to repair the damage I've done to them from years of yo-yo dieting!

To those who say the hcg protocol isn't healthy- bah! Eating fast food, junk food and processed foods are healthier??? Is it healthier to be overweight?? Which is worse, doing the hcg protocol (all 4 phases) or being obese? I'm going to say being obese is worse!

I'm sorry but I am impatient. I am not satisfied with a 1 lb a week weight loss. I've tried that before- it's too hard. One little mistake during the week and you're back up a lb! When that would happen, it's like "Well what the heck, I might as well REALLY enjoy a good meal or two".

The reason I LOVE this diet is "short-term pain for long-term gain". In the short term, the diet can be difficult, yes. You basically can't have any of the comfort foods you're used to, you cannot go out and eat, and so on. However, I'd rather tough it out for 45 days and BE DONE WITH IT rather than think about it month after month with no results. On other "diets" I would cheat a little here and there....have an extra apple or a little more rice....etc. This protocol is so easy because, you are warned up front you cannot cheat at all or it won't work. You know exactly what you can eat, when and in what quantity. You know you can't cheat AT ALL.....that actually makes it easier.

Bottom line, I don't care what Kevin Trudeau has done, the information he has provided me through his books has changed my life. I am SO glad I learned about the hcg protocol (if it weren't for KT I wouldn't have). I would ABSOLUTELY recommend it to anyone!

[Pharangaze]

I forgot to ask, could you please provide me with the proof, (actual documents, bank statements, etc) showing that Kevin Trudeau is receiving compensation from the companies he mentions in his books? Strange, I would not pay him to mention a product because he also mentions rival products too. That's not good business!

Another point, you should actually read 'The Weight Loss Cure They Don't Want You To Know About" - KT before you give commentary. You make assumptions that can potentially mislead those who have not read the book.

For example, you said that Dr. Simeons never recommended organic food while on the protocol, that Kevin Trudeau just made it up. It's true that Dr. Simeons never mentioned organic food. However, Kevin Trudeau explains that when & where Dr. Simeons was practicing the protocol, ALL THE FOOD WAS NATURALLY ORGANIC! He didn't have to worry about growth hormones and antibiotics in meat, nor about all the pesticides and chemicals used to grow fruits & veg. Dr. Simeons DID say you cannot have any medications on this protocol without an OK from the doctor. This is because the chemicals in most medications interfere with the diet. It stands to reason that the chemicals in non-organic foods could also potentially interfere with the protocol.

Common sense is a great virtue. Common sense dicates that a person should read a book before condemning or praising it.

So yes, you're right- Kevin Trudeau was a criminal, yes he was banned from selling certain products. You're a lot like a broken watch- even it's right twice a day.

[fightu35]

wow..he realy brain washed you I see...I guess he for got to tell you..as soon as you stop..all the weight comes back..lol hes a scum bag..never mind  a criminal

[Pharangaze]

No, the weight won't come back if you understand what caused you to gain it in the first place. I know a little on the subject. I am 28 years old now, at 23 I weighed 270 lbs. I was down to 140 lbs in 8 months. (Different "diet")
I stayed away from processed/fast & junk food until I was 26. When I started dating my husband I began to partake in those foods again. I'm not talking about eating fast food all the time, I'm talking about processed foods (soups in cans, boxed food, canned/bottled drinks and so on. It didn't take me long to start gaining weight again. Not to mention I felt like junk, very much like I did prior to losing the weight the first time. It is VERY clear to me now that the man-made foods, chalk full of additives/chemicals and devoid of real nutrition caused me to start gaining weight again. These "empty"/ chemically 'enhanced' foods are what messes up your body in the first place (causing weight gain.)(Hypothalamus, thyroid, addictions, etc) The HCG protocol is designed to bring the body back normal functioning.

You WILL absolutely gain the weight back if you go back to eating like before. (Foods with chemicals, additives, etc) You will just mess your body up again. However, if you stay away from those foods and instead choose organic foods (less chemicals- unfortunately nothing is 100% organic anymore), stay away from processed white sugar, flour etc, you will not gain weight back.

An alcoholic becomes an alcoholic because he/she drinks alcohol. Would you tell an ex-alcoholic it's ok to drink? Of course not, the alcohol was the CAUSE of the problem in the first place. An ex-alcoholic will never be an alcoholic again SO LONG AS they STAY AWAY from alcohol.

I won't gain weight back because I will not make the same mistakes as I did before. I will eat organic. I will enjoy elicious foods- but organic ones!

[fightu35]

you sound like Kevins puppett...your right..plenty of junk out there..but the bottum line is..if you go back to eating calories you realy need..(never less then 1,200) ..you will gain weight..you  do not need to do everything 'he' claims in his book..just use your head....and your right..you would be able to keep weight off...raise your calories very slowly...if you jump from 500 right to 1,000 or so..you will gain weight no matter what the food...good luck to you.

[Satriana]

whoa heated discussion on this thread. LOL - i have been reading all the hcg posts to learn more and tring to skip over the oithers no offence but i only want to learn about hcg experiences.

well i have to tell you that I heard about hcg because of kevin trudo too. it was on the tv late at night and I brshed it off as another one of those stupid weight lose  things. It came on right after they were trying to sell a ab machine to reduce inches in just weeks! bullhocky. I own tons of exercise machines I bought over the years and they are all used as clothing racks now.

I go to the gym now, even with all the machines at home, because its too easy to be lazy at home, but being there, you have to work out. they make you. lol

and the reason I took interest in hcg was because its a natural thing. i refused any weightlosing drugs that mightmake me feel funny.

but i have to tell you that eating low calries and workingout, the weight is not coming off anywhere near what people are saing about hcg.

anyhow, to answer your queston about Kevin whoever, he is a bad bad man. Its not like he made one mistake and paid for it. he made lots of mistakes over and over. I dont have a criminal record and I dont know many ppl who do, but i do have one friend who was arrested for dunken disorderly conduct. I wont ask him to drink and drive and I certainly wouldnt ask kevin advidse about business!! lol