ok, something is bugging me...

[Satriana]

I am trying to figure this out and everytime I come up wiht an answer, its nothing even remotely close to what ppl are saying.

I need help wrapping my head around this, so please bear with me.

Our bodies ( meaning us=regular people, not athletes) need about 2000-2500 calories a day to live. Right?

ok, that diet says eat 500 calories of food, and 2000 cal of fat from our body converted to energy instead of eating. Right?

2000 calories X 7 = 14000 cal per week.

14000 calories divided by 3500 cal ( one pound) = 4 pounds.

Thats alot. But I hear people claiming more. So I added more info to this...

1 hour walking fast/jogging on the treadmill = 200 cal fat burn loss. (info provided by Golds Gym and the machine that makes me hate it )

200 cal X 4 ( the number of times I use it per week) = 800 Cal.
800 cal is like1/4 of a pound.

So now we are up to 4.25 pounds.

Dont get me wrong, I would love to lose that much a week. I want to with all my heart. and butt and thighs.....

SO where are people losing more than that? How?
I dont know if people know this or not but dieting tends to release the water form your muscles, which it like totally needed for them to burn fat. After that water is gone, if you dont put it back, you lose muscle tissue. Your body will literlally cannibalize.

help me understand please, i dont get it

[fightu35]

""Our bodies ( meaning us=regular people, not athletes) need about 2000-2500 calories a day to live. Right? ""

for some thats a lil high...but depends on activity...

"Dont get me wrong, I would love to lose that much a week. I want to with all my heart. and butt and thighs.....

SO where are people losing more than that? How?""

Satty poo........You know this answer...water...muscle...and some fat..and in that order...have you noticved not many reply to you........why..because your not brain washed like most...listen..use ya head...eat smart...eat just a tad less then you 'need' exercise...= lose 'FAT' not water..muscle..then some fat..laws of physics rule son !! the body CAN NOT  & WILL NOT lsoe more then 1.2 lbs of FAT a week...and even at that rate...after about 3-4 weeks..it will stop...

1 hour walking fast/jogging on the treadmill = 200 cal fat burn loss. (info provided by Golds Gym and the machine that makes me hate it ) ""\

WTF !! TOOK YOU OVER AN HOUR & YOU ONLY BURNED 200 CALS !! CUT THE TIME..INCREASE THE INTENSITY.....OR WALK UP INCLINE..TODAY i DID THE STAIR MASTER....41 mins...950 cals on level 15-20...i go about 30-45 give or take..

the biggest myth in the weight lose world is long and slow burns more fat.......100% false and proven over..& over again...for details..just ask..oh and that lil thnig called proof..:)

""

[wantabe]

Hey, what diet are you doing or where did you get that info. My doctor gave me a diet to and it seems ok to follow so far.
Protein 40-60g/day
Fat 20-50 g/day
carbs 75-125 g/day
he says you should divide it up into two servings, saying that you can only absorb 3-35 grams a meal. There is also a website called www.nutritiondata.com which is a free website with food counts.
Also the first thing you should introduce into your body is proteins, otherwise you stop burning fat for 12 hours. He also says to try and get 30-40 grams of protein in before 10:00 or within 3 hours of waking. I do a protein shake or bar. I dont know if this is any different I see on here that alot of people on here follow a KT's diet dont know anything about it.
I have more infor if you would like it, as I dont really know what diet you are following. Dont know that i have even helped.

[onvibrate]

the difference in this diet is that it is the hcg that goes after the fat deposits like nothing else. losing only water, muscle and a little fat is absolutely true with every other diet, but hcg is specifically created by the body during pregnancy to release nutrients from our fat, for the baby. that is its key role and the reason that it is created in the placenta during pregnancy, and nothing else in all of creation does it in the same way. read Simeons paper on it, and see if it makes more sense to you.
http://hcgdietinfo.com/HCG_Diet_Simeons_Manuscript.htm

[onvibrate]

oh, and after this diet is done, you won't have to worry about counting anymore, or what to do at what time of day. you just need to eat only when you're hungry, stop when you're full and eat what you 'feel' like you need, because your body will know what that is, whether it is a protein, or a carb or a fat. it's programmed to do that, so that you won't be a slave to food and counting anymore.

[fightu35]

""the difference in this diet is that it is the hcg that goes after the fat deposits like nothing else. losing only water, muscle and a little fat is absolutely true with every other diet, but hcg is specifically created by the body during pregnancy to release nutrients from our fat, for the baby. that is its key role and the reason that it is created in the placenta during pregnancy, and nothing else in all of creation does it in the same way""

this is 2 funny...do you get paid to say this stuff ? it helps feed the baby though the fetis...lol in no way ,shape ,or form is it proven to shrink fat cells(you never lose fat cells,only shrink them) as I said..if this where true..so many women would not get fat..and stay fat durning pregnacy..

[Satriana]

please dont argue lil angels...I am not stirring the stew up here I am saying, even with Simeons paper, which I read, that the numbers themselves are absolute. meaning a pound will always be 3500 cal, and if you only burn 2k of fat, then the rest of that pound is water, muscle, ect....
Logic stands to reason....
Math is the best thing I can use to make this work in  my head.

OK, ...Lets put all the feelings and notions about hcg aside...for now, ....

Lets say hcg really works, for the sake of this arguement. So we dont stray from my point because lord knows I do that enough on my own.

Even WITH the notion that hcg will take 2000 cal from your body...thats still not in any way, a pound a day.

Doesnt matter how you spin it. Its not a pound. The numbers dont lie.

SO what fightu has been saying all along, and that everyone is hatin him and bickering back and forth...its sad.  He may not have the best way to express it, *smacks the dork*, but he is right when he says that you cannot lose that much weight and have it all as fat.

Its just impossible.

Now here is another point to ponder.... HCG moves the fat from the cells to the "baby", right? (remember, for arguements sake pease)

If there is no baby, then where does it go?  Absorbed back into the body?
Yes, exactly, because the body needed that  fat to create energy for the very low calorie intake. SO you really dont lose the fat, you use the fat, which in turn is like losing but not. And yet still, is not a pound a day.

By the way, the 2000-2500 is for people who work out, and eat healthy. If you are overweight, not working out, and dont have a physical routine in any way, you shoudl be eating about 1500 or arond there. And all those are for maintenance not for losing. 1000-1200 to lose.
SO if thats the case...then eating 500 and hcg'ing another 2k, the numbers get even smaller.

Im sorry, I know everyone here is rolling in their salad bowls at me, but I have to agree with fightu on this one. I told you I would never lie and would be honest. Please dont be mad at me for it. I cant see doing whatever, because someone said so....without....(dear god forgive me) Proof. =(

BUT on that same note....I am not against HCG. I am still thinking about doing it. BUt I wont be claiming 10 pounds in a week. lol - I will be straight up and tel you how much my fatass has lost or not. =D

I am looking forward to my weighing in at the Doctors next week and see if I lost more than a half a pound or gained any for eating more food, who knows.
I feel better than I have in months, so hopefully if they think I am doing better and all, they might give me the hcg. =p

I know dorkie is just cringing that I still want to do it. LOL

and prego women get fat and stay fat becuase they are eating like 1000000 calories, not 2000. If they ate normal with jut a bit more protien etc...they wouldnt get fat, and would lose it easily after. But sadly, thats not the case. Lets face it, when I was pregnant, I ate an ENTIRE box of Dunkin Donuts for breakfast then took a nap, didnt walk (complained about my back and feet hurting to get out of it). THAT Is why I got fat. No other reason.

Step One...admit you have the problem. lol....I was like screw that, give me the triple scoop sundae with extra whip cream and nuts and could you throw a cheeseburger and cheese fries on top please. kkty

[fightu35]

YOU SAID..
"Now here is another point to ponder.... HCG moves the fat from the cells to the "baby", right? (remember, for arguements sake pease) "

OK THIS IS PER PER SAY..KINDA...its not ass cut and dry..(what about men who take HCG) LOL ,but anywho..it 'feeds' the baby yes..though THE FETIS !

does a man have  FETIS !! ? do you ?? and L-CARTINE 'moves' fat out to be stored also..thats in liquid..pill.......and injection form also....


lol Satty you will not become public enemy #1 no...but notice no one will reply here..lol because you are right..and NOT brain washed....sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh oh well gym time !

be healthy all

[Need2loseAL]

LOL How much did you gain while you were peg? I gained 70 lbs and im still 40 lbs over what i was!! im sure you've told your story but i haven't seen it!

[Satriana]

HI =)
I actually gained 100 pounds. I know, I know, thats pathetic. But its the truth even if its sad and bleh. I lost some, gained some, lost some...I hate the yoyo scaling but becuse of breast feeding I never took drugs or anything so it was merely exercise and lowering calories, but not like drastic low, just healthy low.
Now I could take drugs now, if I wanted to, but I am just not sure I want to yet.

Just from exercise and lowering calories I was losing about half a pound a week. BUt it took FOREEEEEEEVER to do thatand I felt like total crappola all the time. This is where I decided...I needed a change.

SO thats why I actually ended up here.(forums) to see for myself what people were saying about things. HCG in particular. Since its like "all the rage" and stuff.
But I just cant see how it really works yet, since if I didnt take hcg and ate 500 cal and did the same works outs - I would lose lots of weight anyhow. So where does the hcg come in? wel I read somewhere on here that the hcg gives you energy while eating less. But onthe other forum yahoo group hcg dieters, I am reading about women on the hcg, who are tired, hungry and not losing even WITH the hcg. Not all of them, just some.

So now I am thinking...is this hcg thing for some peopl and not all people? I dont know. The jury is still out...

[fightu35]

ok read the book...chapter 5 page 98  3rd paragraph !! this whole thing is a scam!  I quote..........
"people with this diet WITH OUT HCG WILL LOSE WEIGHT (duhh..cals in vs out) the book claims & says (way to funny !) you will not lose in the PROBLEM AREA SECURE FAT DEPOSITS".
  
wtf is this !! this is some sell my book term made up..and has no credit..meaning..nor facts..fat is fat..lol just like you can not spot reduce the more i read this scum bags book..the more I laugh...no one in there right can do EVERYTHING he says to do in the book......its a full time job & $$$ if people had that much free time..we would all be skinny...I cant stop laughing..as someone here said.........after I said ask a baby dr THE DIET IS  NONSENSE..FACT..GAME OVER... GOOD NIGHT..
PS. MY FANS..im still waiting for the proof ...

[onvibrate]

numbers won't figure it out. Simeons said that even adding a different veggie would slow the weight loss down. there's some kind of chemical reaction going on or something, and changing his list of foods, even slightly, changes how fast the weight is lost. people who are doing this exactly as Simeons said to, are losing it they way they say they are, and i'm not going to call all those 'many' people liars. i hope you do get the shots. even though they probably won't have you do it exactly like the original protocol, i think you will still do well with it! (and not have to count the rest of your life!) good luck!

[fightu35]

"there's some kind of chemical reaction going on or "


LOL OH BROTHERRRRRRRRRRRRR

[blueeys2stay]

Would you be able to tell me of a website that I could purchase phentermine 37.5 mg..tablets?  because the last website I tried was a fraud and sent me Plecebo...  please if any1 knows of a webite that cares these and you can buy them with Mastercard.. please let me know and I will provide you with my email to send me the link.... thank you so much everyone =)

[onvibrate]

"it helps feed the baby though the fetis...lol"

did you really say that? right after asking if i get paid to say things?

[fightu35]

HUH ?  the HCG can  send nutrients (not fat cells) though the fetus yes... ??

[Satriana]

Oh man....everyone stop. Please. This is silly. Look if it works for you, yay. If not, oh well, not the first time a diet thing failed. But we shouldnt argue over who is right or wrong  =(

Cant we all just get along???? =p

[fightu35]

no argueing over whos right ..whos wrong...thats easy...



IM RIGHT !!

[Satriana]

ok ok ok....

Fir the sake of pitiful sanity, lets say you are right. People are still losing weight.
I dont care if its all bull**** and ifs its completely in thier head. They are losing the weight. Bottom line.

If someone wants to pop this pill or that pipp or drink this or drink that, or walk backwards singing my lil pony, if they lose the weight then thats fine for them.

I dont think hcg works, but I will not argue with anyone about it. since thats my personal opinion. I have done research and talked to people over and over and I can see no difference in people who take it and those who dont.
I went to my Dr today, and there is a woman, who is absolutely terrified of needles. She believes in HCG but wont do the needles. SO...she is doing the WHOLE diet by Dr Simeons and working out, but takes Phentermine for appetite control. I was stunned. I asked her what about energy? She said the phentermine gives it to her. She has been on the diet for almost a month and lost 20 pounds!!!!! I read forums from people taking hcg that lost the same thing.

It makes you wonder doesnt it.

[fightu35]

of course they are loseing weight..........THEY ARE EATING 500 CALORIES !!

[Satriana]

the thing is sweetie is that its not that they are just losing the weight its how they feel I guess. I have no idea, Im am just guessing here.

I mean of course its the 500 cal diet thats making them lose weight.(thats a given) I think everyone realizes that, or hope they do. (seriously would have to be blind as a bat to not realize that) - The hcg doesnt make you lose wight. The claim is that hcg release fat from cells to feed the body to make up for the 500 cal diet. But even not taking hcg, it would do that anyhow. (so not sure where the big mystery is)Your body will take from the fat cells for what it needs. Simple biology tells us that. but you will feel differnt..so maybe thats what it should be marketed for and maybe people will accept is more. Just a guess.

The belief is that the hcg is doing other things, like lueitinizing or whatever how its spelled (no I dont know, dont care) anyhow..its the effects it has that I gues are helping people and thats where ALLLLL the controversay is at.

People who ate really crappy and all, and then change to a healthy organic fat free sugar free diet are going to lose A TONTON TON of weight..because they are eating better. Thats a fact nobody will refuse as true.

Everything fightu says about that cal in and cal out is true. But Dr Simeons is saying the same thing,
"eat better foods in low portions".
Of course thats going to help. =)) seriosuly

what the arguement is about I thinhk , is the effects hcg has other ways. And that my friends, has the jury still out. We know it has effects that benefit men and women in other ways that are FDA approved....which leads you to believe that the benefits may help in weight loss too. Mayber they will learn it does and maybe not. IN THE MEANTIME..who cares if people are happy and shrinking =D

what we shoudl stop argueing about is that HCG is bad for you. Its not BAD in the sense its not going to do bad bad bad thigns to you as if its some horrible thing - although there are effects...but you know what? Tylenol has effects, aspirin has effects, my MIDOL has effects. SO screaming hcg is bad is just lke saying..DONT TAKE THAT PILL FOR CRAMPS lol who friggin cares.
its not going to hurt you if you want to get pregnant, it only hurts if you are ALREADY pregnant and they dont give it when they are harvesting eggs to implant in the women who they FDA approve give it to women in HIGH doses to in order to get them pregnant!!! I think the lady I talked to at the fertility clinic said that women take like 10K or 15k ui for a few weeks. (to make them produce eggs) and steroid abusers take 5k for a few weeks to get balls back. so taking 125ui isnt going to do ANYTING to you like it does to those people. silly to think otherwise. Yes I have been a lil researching bunny asking real doctors, not reading from selling marketers. ANd have to tell you, most doctors who dont sell this, DO NOT approve this as a weight loss drug.

It took them 100 years to figure out how to keep us from gettng chickenpox lol...give it time. =D maybe in our next life ? lol and they just came out with a way to keep up from getting cervical cancer...I mean stuff takes time. And this isnt exactly something on the front burner so it will take longer. AND we all know that the FDA changes its mind every other day. THey say NO NO today and tomorow they say OK, its cool.

bottom line...HCG is FDA approved for use. They use it all the time. Its just WHAT its used for is the objectionary target. but apsirin helps people with heart disease. and in someone else is causes anaphilactic shock and ulcers. SO I ask you..is aspirin bad? see so its all how you look at it. same thing can be said about ANYthing you bring up. so why bother? let it go, let flow and be happy =D

anyhow....everyone....chill...smile..be happy....be accepting to all opinions even if they arent yours or what you believe...and hug thy neighbor.

[Blessedwith3girls]

Hi, I am new to these forums, but have been using hCG for weightloss for a month and half.  I lost 20 pounds the first month!  I live in Texas and get my hCG injections from a clinic owned by a RN that has been in business for over 25 years!  She KNEW Dr. Simeon's and actually spoke to him on the phone when he was living.  If you want to talk to somebody who knows her stuff about this call her.  Her name is Mary (Weight Control of Texas Medical Clinic) at [phone].  

I was very skeptical about this whole hCG weight loss thing, but after talking with her, I am convinced that this is the best thing out there, because you do lose the weight fast.  When I did Nutrisystem, it took me two months to lose 20 pounds.  I lost 20 pounds just in the first month!  Now, you have to be dedicated to sticking to the diet.  I eat around 750 calories/day.  If you cheat, you will feel tired and hungry.  If you stick to the diet, you feel great!!  Oh, and you do not have to eat organic.  Sure, organic is probably healthier for you, but it is not necessary to lose weight with Simeon's method using the hCG.  

Mary mails hCG out to people who live out of state also.  So, if you are having trouble finding it, call her.   The web address is  www.weightcontroltx.com   Tell her that Jennifer Galle referred you and we will both get a discount!   I take three shots per week at $50/week.

[fightu35]

go away  SPAMMER

[Need2lose2live]

What shots are you taking?

[Satriana]

HI =) I do appreciate your info, but there are plenty of clinics near here(where I live) that I could use if I wanted to go around my Doctor. But thats not the case for me. I really believe my Dr knows whats best for me and he just doesnt think its good for me right now. But like I said, thank you for the info and good luck to you!