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Does Message Oil Help Transmission?
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Some of the most common types of questions concern the risk of HIV or STD after a particular sexual exposure, and about symptoms that might or might not be due to HIV. If your question is along these lines, please visit the HIV Prevention and Safe Sex Forum.
Does Message Oil Help Transmission?
by sailorguy100, May 08, 2007 12:00AM
Hello Doc,
I am a 29 year old male. Your info here has been invaluable. During a recent trip I made the decision to hook up with another guy just to have some fun. All we did was message and have close body contact etc, and we never had insertive sex..anal or oral. However after reading this site and any I realized I could catch Herpes by just rubbing our genitals together (Which we did for a short period of time). He had no signs at all of any kind of sores or outbreak. But still, this made me very nervous and I have worried about herpes ever since.
Symptoms - After about 4 weeks I developed one red spot on the bottom of my penis...I really think this was a zit because I was so stressed out. It only lasted about 5 days and went away..no sores of any sort. What really concerned me was I developed a red patch of skin on my inner thigh close to my genitals. I remembered that it took him a long time to climax and I was on my back and he rubbed his genital on my leg for a long period of time around this spot. The spot was about the size of a quarter, and it had red bumps that looked like bug bites around the perimeter. The spot appeared about 3-4 weeks after our encounter and it lasted about 5 weeks. Even now at 7 weeks there are a couple of tiny red spots and the skin is darker than the rest of the skin in this area. The spot never hurt and only itched slightly. I have had HSV1 since a child. Here are my questions.
1. IF this person was not symptomatic and was shedding, could message oil help with transmission to this area?
2. What are the chances of transmission through rubbing of this nature?
3. I never had any lesions or open sores...do herpes signs last this long..I have heard the first outbreak lasts longer.
4. When herpes sores heal, do they leave behind a darker patch of skin..or when they heal is it as if they were never there?
5. I have read that if you have HSV1, then you catch HSV2, the symptoms are less..which may explain why I had no lesions or open sores. Could this still be herpes?
I am a 29 year old male. Your info here has been invaluable. During a recent trip I made the decision to hook up with another guy just to have some fun. All we did was message and have close body contact etc, and we never had insertive sex..anal or oral. However after reading this site and any I realized I could catch Herpes by just rubbing our genitals together (Which we did for a short period of time). He had no signs at all of any kind of sores or outbreak. But still, this made me very nervous and I have worried about herpes ever since.
Symptoms - After about 4 weeks I developed one red spot on the bottom of my penis...I really think this was a zit because I was so stressed out. It only lasted about 5 days and went away..no sores of any sort. What really concerned me was I developed a red patch of skin on my inner thigh close to my genitals. I remembered that it took him a long time to climax and I was on my back and he rubbed his genital on my leg for a long period of time around this spot. The spot was about the size of a quarter, and it had red bumps that looked like bug bites around the perimeter. The spot appeared about 3-4 weeks after our encounter and it lasted about 5 weeks. Even now at 7 weeks there are a couple of tiny red spots and the skin is darker than the rest of the skin in this area. The spot never hurt and only itched slightly. I have had HSV1 since a child. Here are my questions.
1. IF this person was not symptomatic and was shedding, could message oil help with transmission to this area?
2. What are the chances of transmission through rubbing of this nature?
3. I never had any lesions or open sores...do herpes signs last this long..I have heard the first outbreak lasts longer.
4. When herpes sores heal, do they leave behind a darker patch of skin..or when they heal is it as if they were never there?
5. I have read that if you have HSV1, then you catch HSV2, the symptoms are less..which may explain why I had no lesions or open sores. Could this still be herpes?
Doctor's Answer
by H. Hunter Handsfield, M.D., May 08, 2007 12:00AM
, May 08, 2007 12:00AM
There is a risk of herpes from such exposure, but it is very low; and your symptoms don't suggest herpes. But if you want to be certain, the way to do it isn't to ask for probabilities and speculation by me or any other online source: wait until 12 weeks after the event and have a blood test. (But realize that if positive, it won't say when you were infected. It wouldn't necessarily be from the event you describe.)
To your question: 1) I don't see any reason why massage oil would increase HSV transmission risk, but of course there are no data. 2) Near zero, unless your partner had a herpes outbreak at the time. 3) Herpes symptoms never last longer than 2 weeks or so. 4) Any skin break or irritation can heal with discoloration (or without it); there is no difference for herpes versus any other skin lesion or injury. 5) That is probably true (although the research is somewhat inconsistent), but it's irrelevant in your case. The reason you had no lesions or sores is that you didn't catch HSV.
Good luck-- HHH, MD
To your question: 1) I don't see any reason why massage oil would increase HSV transmission risk, but of course there are no data. 2) Near zero, unless your partner had a herpes outbreak at the time. 3) Herpes symptoms never last longer than 2 weeks or so. 4) Any skin break or irritation can heal with discoloration (or without it); there is no difference for herpes versus any other skin lesion or injury. 5) That is probably true (although the research is somewhat inconsistent), but it's irrelevant in your case. The reason you had no lesions or sores is that you didn't catch HSV.
Good luck-- HHH, MD
AJ