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cheating
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Pepper Schwartz, Ph.D. - Sexuality, family, Sexual Identity
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cheating

by lovewomen, Jan 15, 2008 12:18PM
I recently started cheating with an escort service do to the fact that my wife will not do certian things in the bedroom that we did early in our marriage. I do not have any guilt feelings but look forward to the next time I am able. My wife and I actually have a better relationship now. Is this to good to be true?

by Pepper Schwartz, Ph.D., Feb 04, 2008 12:13AM
To: cheating

    I think this is a destructive way to handle the situation. You may be having your sexual needs met, so you are nicer to her and the relationship seems better. But by cheating on her  you put the relationship at risk in two ways- one- she may find out and leave or never feel the same way about you or two- catching some disease and bringing it home, which would add injury to emotional suffering when she realized how she got the disease.

    At risk is really the wholeness of your relationship. You are leading a double life and the woman you are supposed to love and trust most doesn't know about it. It has to be emotionally distancing- you may not feel guilt- but it probably doesn't add any intimacy. You are fooling her and you know it. You have broken a promise and you know it.  You may not be found out by her- but you know how you are acting. I don't think carrying that need for secrecy, lying and covering your tracks ( including the money you spend) is going to help enrich your emotional connection with one another.

   A better way would be to go to a counselor and talk through the issues in your sexual life. See why she doesn't want to do this act and why it's so important to you. I believe if you are both honest and realize that this act is coming between you, that she could find a way to do more with you and you might demand it less. What's at stake is not just a bit of sexual pleasure-- but who you are together, now, and in the future.

Pepper Schwartz, PhD
Member Comments (23)

by SeriousSam, Jan 15, 2008 08:59PM
Not an unusual response but this is not a sustainable solution or a healthy one in our society.  I am curious, is it always the same lady in the escort service?  You may want to look up the history of mistresses in england for your own amusement to gain perspective.  You may also wish to try enjoying you wife more.  BTW what wouldn't your wife do now?

by lovewomen, Jan 16, 2008 09:05AM
To: serious sam
I don,t always use same escort, but same service is always used. I do always use protection and the girls through the service do the same. To answer your last Q my wife will not do any type of oral any more.

by rebbecca, Jan 16, 2008 10:08AM
To: lovewomen
that is why, oral, thats all!!! r u f***** kidding me!!?? i think u should be truthful to ur wife. i would kick my husbands F****** A** if he ever did that S*** to me! and i dont care how careful u r with the *****, crabs jump. and there so many stds out there, how could u do that to ur wife.
instead of lovewomen it needs to be needtolovewife

by kat1256, Jan 17, 2008 02:11AM
To: lovewomen
I feel very sorry for your wife, and think your actions are appalling. From your skewed perception of a false reality, your marriage appears better, when in fact it has never been more on the verge of collapse as it is now that you are turning away from your wife. How could your marriage be better if you are leaving the marriage to find fulfillment and satisfaction? Your actions are selfish, and destructive. A more appropriate action would be for you to specifically ask for whatever form of pleasure you feel you deserve but are not receiving from your wife. Open communication would make your marriage better, not introducing yourself to an escort service. If your wife were to refuse the oral sex, then the appropriate thing to do would be to sit down and ask her why. Perhaps there are needs of her own that are not being met.

I assure you, she knows something is not right. YOU may feel the marriage is better now, but that is because you are secretly fulfilling your own selfish desires, so you would feel better. You aren't being the support that you vowed to her you would be. I guarantee you that she does not feel the marriage is better. Women know these things. They have reliable intuition and discernment, and if you do not tell her, she will find out on her own, and when she does, all hell will break loose.

You say you have no guilt, but I certainly hope you have enough of a conscience to feel that a moment of cheap pleasure with a total stranger is NOT worth your entire marriage when you COULD be getting that pleasure at home if only you'd stop and ask for it, or open your heart a little and think about what nice thing you could do for her that would allow her to spread the enjoyment your way. I'm afraid you've chosen very poorly, and yes, my friend, it most certainly IS too good to be true.


by kat1256, Jan 17, 2008 02:11AM
To: lovewomen
I feel very sorry for your wife, and think your actions are appalling. From your skewed perception of a false reality, your marriage appears better, when in fact it has never been more on the verge of collapse as it is now that you are turning away from your wife. How could your marriage be better if you are leaving the marriage to find fulfillment and satisfaction? Your actions are selfish, and destructive. A more appropriate action would be for you to specifically ask for whatever form of pleasure you feel you deserve but are not receiving from your wife. Open communication would make your marriage better, not introducing yourself to an escort service. If your wife were to refuse the oral sex, then the appropriate thing to do would be to sit down and ask her why. Perhaps there are needs of her own that are not being met.

I assure you, she knows something is not right. YOU may feel the marriage is better now, but that is because you are secretly fulfilling your own selfish desires, so you would feel better. You aren't being the support that you vowed to her you would be. I guarantee you that she does not feel the marriage is better. Women know these things. They have reliable intuition and discernment, and if you do not tell her, she will find out on her own, and when she does, all hell will break loose.

You say you have no guilt, but I certainly hope you have enough of a conscience to feel that a moment of cheap pleasure with a total stranger is NOT worth your entire marriage when you COULD be getting that pleasure at home if only you'd stop and ask for it, or open your heart a little and think about what nice thing you could do for her that would allow her to spread the enjoyment your way. I'm afraid you've chosen very poorly, and yes, my friend, it most certainly IS too good to be true.


by kat1256, Jan 17, 2008 02:11AM
To: lovewomen
I feel very sorry for your wife, and think your actions are appalling. From your skewed perception of a false reality, your marriage appears better, when in fact it has never been more on the verge of collapse as it is now that you are turning away from your wife. How could your marriage be better if you are leaving the marriage to find fulfillment and satisfaction? Your actions are selfish, and destructive. A more appropriate action would be for you to specifically ask for whatever form of pleasure you feel you deserve but are not receiving from your wife. Open communication would make your marriage better, not introducing yourself to an escort service. If your wife were to refuse the oral sex, then the appropriate thing to do would be to sit down and ask her why. Perhaps there are needs of her own that are not being met.

I assure you, she knows something is not right. YOU may feel the marriage is better now, but that is because you are secretly fulfilling your own selfish desires, so you would feel better. You aren't being the support that you vowed to her you would be. I guarantee you that she does not feel the marriage is better. Women know these things. They have reliable intuition and discernment, and if you do not tell her, she will find out on her own, and when she does, all hell will break loose.

You say you have no guilt, but I certainly hope you have enough of a conscience to feel that a moment of cheap pleasure with a total stranger is NOT worth your entire marriage when you COULD be getting that pleasure at home if only you'd stop and ask for it, or open your heart a little and think about what nice thing you could do for her that would allow her to spread the enjoyment your way. I'm afraid you've chosen very poorly, and yes, my friend, it most certainly IS too good to be true.


by brianmcdonald, Jan 17, 2008 10:28AM
To: lovewomen
Hey,

These folks that say just ask the wife and you will recieve are in a dream. I have stopped asking and say go for it. Thats why there's so many middle aged divorced women. They cant understand why their husbands cheat yet they wont have sex with them. If the wife would give some oral maybe she wouldnt end up the ex.

by lovewomen, Jan 17, 2008 11:20AM
To: kat 1256
This is not just about the oral, and if you new me and my wife you would not feel sorry for her. I always give her everything she wants I try very hard to please her, but there comes a time when things are not done in return, that you have to do things for yourself. I have always been a very loyal husband and I have expressed my displeaser to her for many years. She used to do the things I enjoy during our first 5 -6 years together, we are going on 16 years. I did this recently so after 10 years of complaining I decided I could not take it any more. I do know what I am doing is wrong but we get along much better now and we don't fight about this any more. I do love my wife but if we kept going like we were I would not even be able to like her.

by white_flames, Jan 17, 2008 11:25AM
To: lovewomen
You disgust me how can you go cheat on your wife your going to end up with some f****** disease from out there. There are so many STD'S. I would hurt my husband very badly if he cheated on me with some other women.

by rebbecca, Jan 17, 2008 12:20PM
To: lovewomen
why dont u just end ur marriage? instead of ur wife finding out b/c she will, i know me personally i would rather have my husband leave me for other man then to find out about a ***** service that he has been going to. and after being with her for so many years, you do this, b/c the sex problems that ur having just dont happen over night.
and by the way u want oral so bad from ur wife, what do u do that is so damn good in bed, do u do it in return for her. or r u just a me me me people!! i think ur wife needs to go out and find a real man!!!!!!!!

by Amoroza, Jan 19, 2008 03:02PM
To: the girls and boys
Well dears, sorry but reality ain't that simple. And actually some wives will aprove their man seeing another woman/provider,  as long as he keeps paying the bills and keeps her from this "obligation" about sex. And I tell you more, prolly if his wife was very open about sex when he met her and was good at it and liked it very much, probably, they would never got married. Men actually like the "saints" types for marriage, and then go looking for the s**** out there. Blimey!

by SeriousSam, Jan 21, 2008 07:40AM
Just for morbid curiosity since the jury is already out so far as the moral judgments.  When you say you do whatever she wants are you saying that you do whatever she wants sexually but she doesn't reciprocate?  And what does that consist of?  Has she said why she quit with the oral?

by knjfree10, Feb 03, 2008 02:54PM
To: lovewoman
I was cheated on & I retallitaed & cheated on my husband w/one of his best friends...for almost 3yrs. until I came clean! It is soooooo not worth it. I so hope to God there are no kids in the mix. Do you really want your kids to end up like you? When the going gets tough, go lie to your spouse & cheat? We are so very strong now, after 21/2yrs. of hell. Our marriage endured. If your really want out...grow some balls & tell her the honest to Gods truth! For all you know, she's out getting her "oral", too. I was!

by dove3053, Feb 06, 2008 11:59AM
To: lovewoman
I think it's great. Let me know when she finds out, how great it is.

When I found out my husband cheated I took him to the cleaners. Woman know these things that men think they are getting away with.

Dove

by wonder26, Feb 10, 2008 01:08AM
To: lovewoman
WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH YOU!!! You Cheat On Your Wife Cuz She Won't Give You F****n Oral? How Could You Do That To Her? My Fiance Stopped Giving Me Sex Of Any Kind But Still Had Me Give Her Oral. After A Few Months Of This I Got Sick Of It And I Sat Her Down And Told Her How I Felt And Asked Her Why She Stopped. Long Story Short We Fixed Things Cuz I Told Her How I Felt. Why Don't You Grow A F****n Pair Of Balls And Ether Ask Her Why She Stopped Or Just End The Marriage.