i need narcotic help

[crazzy_man]

im a thrteen year old kid i was hit in the head 2 years ago in a football acsdent i was perscribed norco 10mg hydro 325acetometophin for horible migrains do to 2 my nastey concushion i took them for at least a mouth nowing they were addicting but not thinking a pill could get me high but one day i toke it and had the most wonder feallings i felt i like i was in love with everone and they loved me soi took probley one once a day it wasen a problem but then 1 wasent enoph i needed 2 then 3 then4 mabey twice or three times aday i would look up on the intrnet was to make them stronger i even learnd to do a cold water extration not forgeting i was probaly 11 when this happend ive been on some kind of narcotic ever sence my parents still have no clue im addicted now im thirteen and probly takeing somwher between 40 to 50 mg oxy aday i just took my last threee pills the doctors wont perscibe any more and tomorrow is probly gonna be the worst day of my life no will i got is some weed and some darvocet and i need help wait do i do help me pleas im a really good kid that should be enjoying life not recking it hheeeelllp me

[dr_craft]

hey crazy_man your a young kid you really need to focus on what you want in life thats the first thing. second thing is for 2 weeks you need to exercise as much and as hard as you possible can exercising releases endorphins in your brain witch will help you fight your addiction without the help of any other drugs. this will work with the help of a good diet such as fruit and lots of iron and protein. hope you give this a go it will work no doubt about it, good luck mate!

[sadinmichigan]

I am so sorry your going through this..I am not familiar with the drugs your taking..But alot of others do..This is an old thread..If you post this same question to a new thread you will get many more responses..if you need help with anything let me know..Lisa

[davidahoward]

I have nerve pain and i have been on gabapentin for ten years. 2 years ago someone gave me oxycodone to try i have been on 40mg a day for 12 months and am trying to get off. but the pain from WD is so hard how long does wd take.

[northernstar30]

I know you don't want to tell your parents, but as a mother of a 14 yr old boy, no matter what he did/does I will always love him and would never turn my back on him.  I myself am a recovering addict.  It's been 3 days since my last pill.  My husband thought I was clean for over a year and when I finally fessed up he was mad, but got over it. A mother's love for her child is so overwhelming that ya, she'll be mad, confused, upset, etc.  But for your life you need help.  I caught my son with a pipe and MY weed. I still love him though and we are working through it.  I know you don't want to hear all this and I don't know you or your parents, but talk to somebody.  We are all here for you.  Keep posting.  I will pray for you.  And If I don't make a lot of since right now it's cause I'm going through withdrawls.  Just please get some help.  I'm not trying to preach at you either.  YOU CAN BEAT THIS.

[lovelexy]

hey hun, its me lovelexy. . . .

i say talk to your counselor. if you tell him/her that you are off and want to stay off that will be his/her 1st priority too! they won't see a danger as long as you aren't thinking of hurting yourself or accidentally ODing.

now listen to me- now that you are off, STAY OFF!  i am so proud you are off and don't want more narcotics. and remember, not that i want you relasping in the least but i feel i must warn you, once your are off, even for a few days, your tolerance has gone back done and if you take what you took b4 you can OVERDOSE and die!  please tell the counselor b/c i know it's supposed to be difficult to stay off the drugs (i am not an addict, i don't crave them myself i never want to see another pill as long as i live) but anyway, your counselor will have been trained about the issues of kids and drug use nowadays. they aren't as naive as you think so they won't be shocked to hear of a young addict and their #1 priority is to get you off and keep you off and you already did the HARDEST part! believe me, as an adult i want your parents to be a part of this too but i want you to stay clean and not end of dead or more severely addicted even more! once you feel more confidence in yourself you will tell them when the time is right for you. but speaking of that confidence- you are SOOO much stronger than you think. you CAN and WILL do this! just keep focusing on your dreams and goals in this life. you can do ANYTHING if you can kick this for good! and you will see all this o much clearer when the drugs are truley out of your system.

so for now keep staying off them. you already tapered enough it sounds like since you are feeling like **** but not feeling like you wish you were dead. that sounds about right for right now. keep taking the ginger, i told you it's good stuff! i am surprised neurontin worsened your seizures b/c it is FOR seizures. but since you can talk about this stuff freely, ask your doc about LYRICA. it is VERY much like neurontin so i definitely DON'T want to worsen your seizures BUT...it's different enough that NEURONTIN works for my pain and LYRICA does nothing! but lyrica is the 1st drug approved for fibromyalgia too. also, make sure it really was neurontin which is also gabapentin.  get into a rheumatologist to see if it is fibro and then discuss treatment, also, this is so new that not many people know but the new drugs for restless leg syndrome, mirapex and requip are showing promising results for fibromyalgia b/c they increase dopamine and you lack dopamine in fibro which causes the muscle pain.

also, i have horrible stomach acid issues too and got them when i was 15 due to my lupus so even though you are young, if nothing else works for your muscle pain and you need toradol or mobic or another NSAID you can go on nexium or prilosec or any proton-pump inhibitor. they stop acid in its tracks (don't listen to the commercials for the fast-acting weak stuff) they prevent ulcers, heal esophagus damage and allow you to take pills that otherwise tear up your tummy. keep letting me know how you are doing. let me know if you need my e-mail. please do not go back on any narcotics. at least let your counselor know (and me ) if you are tempted! keep me posted,

all my support,
lovelexy

[sterling_silver]

Tell your counselor tomorrow.He wont tell your parents.

[crazzy_man]

i really cant right now i am off the drugs with minnour withdraws my problem is staying off i think i can do it without them i understand u guys want me to tell my parents i would say the same to anybody with a story like mine but lets just x out that option for now i am a verry stuborn kid and i am not to the point wre i have the curage to tell them to  them yet right now u guys are the only suport i have and thats beetter than nothing so what im reall asking for is if u guys can help me get threw this without my parents thank you

[toxictome]

I agree with IBKleen...you need to  tell your parents..this sounds very dangerous to me..I'm not sure but I think the counselor or Dr. will have to tell your parents...surely your parents know you're on all these drugs...I know it is scary, but your parents will want to help you...why do you feel you can't tell them? This is a serious problem and I think it is bigger than you can handle alone...keeep posting and let us know how you are doing.......

[IBKleen]

I know it is hard hun, but think of what will happen to you five years from now. Where will you be? It does not get better..that I promise. Is this what you want for your life?

Please talk with your parents.

[crazzy_man]

because iam afraid and the addiction is stronger than me i really dont think i can do this every time i put throgh my mind never taking a narcotic scares me not only cus they have been the only thing to help with my break throgh pain but i just love the fealling i really want to be strong and do this but its so hard

[IBKleen]

I really am not sure. I think it he/she feels it is a danger to you, because you a minor, they will have to tell. Why can't you talk with your parents?

[crazzy_man]

i can talk with my counsler without him telling right or is this something he could say is dangores and tell my parents

[IBKleen]

Hun, you need to get honest with your parents. You have a good chance here to go on and succeed. Please, please talk with them. If not them, then the doctor, if not the doctor, then a friend's parent, and so on. TALK with someone!!

[crazzy_man]

well they started off perscribing me norco the reson i have been able to take such high doses is the doctors give at least 150 pill at a time so its hard to tell how many wre missing i also have fibromiaga so they gave me  pecacet then just plain oxy and i just stoll as many as i could and i havent been coght they no i take them a lot i told them i dont want to take narcotics anymore cus they r 2 addicting they just dont know how much i really used these drugs

[wait2long]

certainly your parents know you are taking these meds?  your not even old enough to have a job?  who is paying for these meds? i really dont know what to think about this...
extremely strong narcotic pain meds to an 11 year old for a consussion/migraines for 2 years straight???  i am at a loss for words here...
where are your parents through all of this??? how do you get to the doctors?...your parents MUST know more than you think they do...they HAVE to know....?!

[crazzy_man]

thank u for all this info i got some ginger and it helped amazingly sleep has sucked i have one pill left i am gonna take it today and be done my bigest problem i think is gonna be the metal part of my addiction narcotics always be around me i resenly found out i have somthing simmaler to fibro mialga and thats why my musel are in pain and right now thoe only think i can take for the pain are narcotics i am gonna try to stay away from them but it gonna be hard what should i do my mom hasent got me a new percrittion yet i asked for the least potint thing they have but it may end up to be norco i dont no what to do and i cant take  nerotin cus it made my sizures worse and i cant take more nsaid becaus they are starting to take a toll on my stomach (iv toradol)  any ideas and thanks again for all the help that u have givven me

[lovelexy]

just wanted to add- pregnant women use ginger for morning sickness b/c they can't take prescription drugs and morning sickness can be STRONG!

[lovelexy]

ok, so you are on oxys not vicodin. same here hun and i know how hard it is. if you have enough to last, taper 5mg a day. it only stays in the system a max of 12 hrs so your body can adjust. if you are sensitivie to getting addicted to narcotics (which is kind of a loaded statement b/c all humans are) but i would say you may very well be putting yuorelf in way too much of a mess by taking the darvocet.oxy is stronger but depending on the dose of your tablet, now that you got down to 15 mgs, you may actually feel the high and trust me, you DON'T want that! you will think you are getting better, and your aren't! you will withdraw harder. and you may get hooked again. no, w/o a doc setting up an actual dose schedule, stay away from the darv. the tramadol IS a mild opiate too. not natural but synthetic made to be like codeine but with no constipation. it would be best to switch to that but you can still get hooked on that so i don't want you to do that unless you ARE going to taper this off in a matter of  days. don't think you can just do tramadol and you are no longer abusing opiates. i began on tramadol and had withdrawals when my doc wanted me to stop to see where my pain was at. before you take tram, please tell mee how much you have and what milligrams. maybe we can set up a switch. it's probably dangerous for me to be giving advice w/o being your doc, but i can say will ALL ceetainty that tram IS MUCH milder than oxy! if you can smoke the pot without that escalating, that can help with nausea although it never did for me, it actually MAKES me nauseous so i've only done it twice (and i'm 30- no joke!). but many have it work wonders which is why cancer pts use it. but i don't want you getting arrested and getting hooked so please try this 1st!= for nausea, REAL ginger is amazing! even tho it is all natural, it is NOT weak. i need it for severe nausea caused by one of my prescription meds. the ginger ale in regular stores doesn't have any tho. it would be a good idea to tell mum and dad you have the flu. that way you can be sick from WD and not completely hide from them. that way they can go out and buy you stuff if neccesary. in the natural/health food stores there are ginger candies (they taste good just spicy) and REAL ginger ale or ginger tea. also, at those places AND all regular drug stores are ginger capsules in the vitamin section. ask a worker or look near the G's. these can give heartburn but small price to pay- it should knock the nausea and vomiting away. that is the single best thing out there w/o a prescription. ginger really will work. if you or your parent can't get to a health food store than just get the capsules at the drug store- doesn't even have to be GNC. even pepto can help you. DRINK water and juice and gatorade! it's not just yeah yeah i know they are good for me. the more dehydrated you get, the more every thing will be exaggerated. you will feel more cramping, pain, emotional anxiety etc. drink! juice is the best b/c i'm sure you have no appetite and the enzymes, vitamns, and nutrients in juice are amazing for you.  take the clonidine if doc prescribed it. prescription wise- neurontin or lyrica are pain releivers that used to only be prescribed for nerve pain but are now being used for almost any type of pain. they are not addictive but they do need a doc to monitor the dosage and your liver. there are also prescription anti-inflammatories called NSAIDS (just means not a steroid anti-inflamm). i take mobic. these are stronger than advil or aleve or aspirin, but work similar. if you arer having migraines (which i've suffered from since i was 11 too) there are long-term preventative drugs called beta-blockers which were originally intended for high blood pressure. mine is INDERAL and it works wonders! more recently there is TOPAMAX. for an immediate migraine there is IMMITREX and 3 or 4 others in the same category called "triptans." as a coincidence, the neurontin or lyrica can also be for migraines in the long-term sense, as well as body pain. there is much that can be done for migraines. you need a good neurologist but if you can't afford one most docs know about all these drugs. also, narcotics are honestly the LAST thing in the world you want to take for migraines anyway b/c they actually cause something called rebound pain where you actually get more and more migraines when taken on a regular basis. it has to do with how the drug works. incidentally, in case anyone wants to know, this is new but true that narcotics can cause rebound PAIN in general making whatever your pain is actually worse over time. i mean some feel better than they ever have long term. we ALL feel better when beginning the narcotics, but so many negative changes take place in the brain that all these different things happen. everyone is soooo different. you can't even refer to the human body as if it were one machine. w/o a script all you can do for your pain is take advil or aleve. stay away from excederin except only from time to time as that was the 1st and most common to cause rebound headaches. but for now, for this withdrawal, i would take an anti-inflamm like advil/aleve/or even aspirin for your body pain. i would take hot showers for the muscle and bone aches. i would get someone to massage you. like i said, if you tell your parents you got sick, even if they watn to take you to the doc, you could then maybe get a scrpt for a stronger anti-nausea/vomiting drug and non-narcptic pain killer. or just a friend or someone. rub your temples and press, there is an acu-pressure point there for migraine pain. and ice pack (NEVER heat) for the head works for migraines. this is acutal science aS THE PAIN IS FROM DILATED BLOOD VESSELS AND COLD CONSTRICTS THE BLOOD VESSELS. I ACTUALLY HAVE THE KIND THAT WRAPS AROUND MY HEAD AND STAYS IN THE FREEZER. OR JUST USE A COLD WASH CLOTH. RE-CHILL IT OFTEN. PRESSIT RIGHT WHERE THE BLOOD VESSELS ARE THROBBING! sorry the caps came on and i'm not retyping :)  the only other thing they sell at the regular drug store for nausea is emetrol. that works well for some. it has a weird schedule where you can't eat right before or after or something, but you probly don't eat much right now anyway. if you can go to a health store, they know a lot about natural herbs and supplements and if you go w/o parents tell them you've taken narcotics so nothing mixes. if you can't tell them, it is unlikely natural things will mix anyway as long as you don't take alot! let me know if you have any other symptoms and let me know what you have left for pills. when this is over, you need a good pain management facility, and not one of these new ones that are just money making businesses that prescribe narcotics to anyone. you need a neuro or a pain center located within a hospital. you should feel better than you have ina  very long time when you are done withdrawing tho, because like i said the rebound pain thing is very real and you have no idea what your real pain level would be at every day once the brain chemistry is back to normal. BRAVO BRAVO for getting off the junk, i am SO proud of you. it was the most hellish experience for me and i'm 30. you are very strong. keep telling yourself that. i like these boards b/c they may and probly will  help others with the info but if you have something you want to tell/ask me private let me know and i will give you my e-mail address. do NOT give up! the WD don't increase with every decrease in dosage until you get down real low. but don't let that discourage you. b/c once you get down so low, you feel so good about yourself for doing it that practically nothing can stop you then!  best of luck hun . . . go treat that nausea and dehydration. proper hydration can also help with the chills and shakes!  luv,
lovelexy

[Calzy]

I am very curious how you are able to walk in a doctors office at 13 yrs old and walk out with a script for very strong pain pills and get them filled at a pharmacy without a parent or consent form. I am not blaming you but there is something wrong with this picture! You need to tell the doctor who is giving you all these pills to help get you off them. You are going down the wrong road at such a young age and your body has not fully developed yet and you could have life long health problems if you dont stop very soon! Your cronic pain is from all the pain pills and thats a pain that you can get rid of by getting some help to quit. Talking about your problem is the first step but you need to get help... now!  Good luck and keep posting how you are doing.

[crazzy_man]

thank u this has been a great help i beleav i took my last 15mg of oxycodone just buy istself not oxycontin just oxycodone capsuls no appa yesterday.       now the only thing close to a noarcotic is darvocet and 2 50mg tramadol and some soma to help sleep (all these things have been perscribed fore me including clodine) iam fealling the start of my withraw right now my worst symtom is probly the pain and i am very iritable becaus i couldent sleep what is the best thing for vomiting one of the people i meet says pot dose the trick but i dont want to cover up my drug problem with other drugs will i become addicted to darvocet if i try to use that to get me off ????  and what is the most powerfull painkiller that wont get me addicted like this cus the reson i first started taking these things are becus i have cronic pain

[lovelexy]

1st, just to not confuse anyone over something already confusing, i messed up to say oxycontin is extremely slow-released. the oxycodone plain or in percocet, endone, etc is instant or fast released so much shorter half life.

ok, crazzyman, hon, you are not being difficult and it's my pleasure to listen. i'm going thru oxy WD myself and need advice from others right now too. so if you are going to go thru withdrawal, then taper as slow as you can. darvocet is another narcotic, so yes, it will ease or even stop WD symptoms but it's not one i'm familar with so i couldn't tell you about the dosage. you don't want to take even more than you already are, b/c then the WD will be more severe. clonidine i have heard has helped many. but i don't know which WD symptoms are your worst and i believe it only helps with blood pressure related things so racing heart, the shakes and dizziness perhaps. my doc said it won't take actual pain away. if you get diarrhea, take immodium AD or kaopectate or pepto or whatever mum and dad have. i don't know from experience, but much to my surprise immodium AD does bind to opiate receptors in the bowels and some say they get some relief from WD not just in the sense of diarrhea, b/c it acts as a mild mild opiate (but it doesn't bind to receptors in the brain so i don't think you can get high from it). so if you have the clonidine patch, use it, although was it prescribed for you? i don't want to tell you to take something that was for an adult and have it be too strong. ii know you have taken extremely powerful drugs here, but clonidine is different and most 13 yr olds don't have blood pressure issues.

your therapist will tell your parents if he/she thinks you are in danger and even if yuo think you have it under control, he/she might fear the possibility of overdose and tell them. however, they may not, especially if they deal with drug addiction on a reg basis b/c i know their 1st priority is to help you get clean. if you are truley worried, you can call any walgreens or drug store in your area, even 24/7 and talk to a pharmacist anonymously. i have already done this myself. pharmacists know all about the dosing and the over/counter (OTC) drugs.

sleeping is very hard during this time and since you probably can't get anything prescribed, buy benadryl. even though it's for allergies, benadryl is actually the ingeredient in every OTC sleeping aid. so tylenol pm or whatever you can get. take 50mgs which is usually 2 pills unless it's maximum strength. IF you can get s doc to prescribe you a sleeping pill than do that but i wouldn't advise getting any on your own b/c you can become adicted to them too.

so that takes care of diarrhea and insomnia. i would take any tylenol or advil or aleve for the bone and muscle aches.

so are you at 15mg hydrocodone (vicodin) and if so, which one? b/c if you are already getting acetometaphin, don't take more tylenol. take advil or aleve. do you have enough to taper 5 mgs at a time?  let me know what you think about all this info so far . .  .keep in touch hon,
lovelexy

[crazzy_man]

ive taperd myself down to 15 mg a day so i dont beleave i need methadone or anything like that ive been threw mophine withdraws and that wasthe most horible  experance of my life even with methadone this time i dont feall the sytoms narly as strong i beleave i can make it threw it on some of the stuuf i have in my med cabnet would davocet help me come down what could i do in that sence and can my theripist tell my parents legaly if i tell him whats going on


well thank u  for taking time tolisten to me im sorry im so dificult but im to terifide to tellanyone

[crazzy_man]

i would but i got myself in to deep im trying to find somone to tell but if my parents new it would make things werse i have sever depreshion and anxyty so i thank u for trying to help but i beleav im beyond that point i just need to no should i use the colnide patch i have or should i take soma or what should i do to help with my withdraw

[lovelexy]

i'm sorry, but at the amount you are taking, believe me you do NOT want to experience withdrawal. everyone is different, but if you have anywhere close to a normal withdrawal experience then you will wish you were dead- no joke. you MUST confess to your parents so that you can find a doctor or facility that prescribes something called suboxone. you do not necessarily need to go to rehab, although i can not say what is best for you. just that suboxone can be given out-patient, any place dealing with narcotic addicition can tell your parents that what happened to you is exceedingly normal, unfortunately. you're too young to know now, but trust me they WILL want to know and do anything to help you. there is methadone too and i don't want to offend any fans, but all my research says that it has the longest withdrawals when time to get off it. you may even be able to taper if a doc who belives and understands you will keep prescribing the narcotic. but if they won't, you will withdraw and for me, it has been the most horrific pain i have ever experienced and i have an excruciating disease that can't hold a candle to the withdrawal pain. i have also been on oxycontin and i couldn't tell from your post if you have been on that or the slow-releasing oxy that is in percocet, endone, etc. oxycontin is a whole different EVIL animal to withdraw from. i really really hope you the best. you are way too young to go through this alone, if it all!