Im starting the recipe..got some Q's.....

[erotisy]

Hey everyone...HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! I gotta tell you, I'm sooo excited , I'm really gonna do it. I want it more than the first time..and that first time I went 4 days cold turkey..(hell)..so I think I'm really gonna pull thru!!! Anyways....I'm gonna do it with this recipe, but I've been back on my Wellbutrine..its a anti-depresant. In the directions for it, it says don't take L-Tyrosine with a SSRI.(serotonin reuptake inhibitor), like prozac,Effexor,paxil..any psychiatric mood elevators.... HUH???
Does that mean I should stay away from the "wellbu." until I'm done with detox??? AND.... How long do I do the recipe? I'm scared I might think its over, but its not..its happened before. So let me know ok? The point about having hot bath ready at all times is sucky...WHAT A TIME FOR MY HEATING ELEMENT TO BRAKE IN MY HOT WATER HEATER....ahhhhh......I'll boil the damn water if I  have to,,,,haha... I'm doing this come hell or high water!!!!  I'm starting as soon as I get the **** for it.. so let me know what you can..a.s.a.p......thanks, EROTISY

[Shellbo]

Thomas, I've tried going to http://pub37.ezboard.com/bthenewaddictionmedicineforum
for the recipe but I'm having a problem with my registration to be able to go & copy the 'recipe'.  I'm waking up tomorrow morning cold turkey.  PLEASE email me a copy at
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[hjp]

good luck, Abusa, there are many pathways thru life and I wish you well with your choices.    hjp

[abusa]

Everyone becomes dependent . I am chemically dependent like anyone who is on drugs for a year. My doc said that he can treat me for chemical dependence and addiction while i'm on pain meds and he's done that for many many people that are now successful but need support. I am very happy because i can get outt of bed and he said that more than half of my addiction and self esteem has controoled my life annd that he can help me improve this. He went to harvard, i know that doesn't mean anything but he has also studied pain, addiction and success for twelve years at school and is now about fifty five with amazing merits well i'm going to bed, this medicine doesn't make me high and now i don't have to pop a pill every so hours. I am not in the fog and moved way too fast for the mood alter before. I told him everything that i have done and he said forget the past, and i'll make sure that you have a successful future. H ehas helped several patients get a job and even get into school. He has a team of different doctors that and i see all of them at my appointment. All i know is that i can't live in severe pain and if ya try to teel me it's in my head one more time , then you're just a stubborn man.

[hjp]

Your comment is interesting littleguy, but a little sad.  You're enabling abusa; she's an addict and has just switched from one hard core narcotic to another.  Now she's fine.....great! Abusa if you've been to the best medical center in the world, surely they told you you have a problem, now you're right back where you started; you will have to detox again.  Duragesic will certainly stop the withdrawals you were going thru, but what happens when your great doctor increases your dosage from 25 to 50 to 75 to 100mcg?.  When do you come out of the fog?  I know this is tough talk, but guys if you're an addict and you're on narcotics, things aren't going to work out well for you.  Obviously we don't have the answers otherwise this forum wouldn't be 50pages long.  Just make that little voice in your head say something like: i'm an addict and I need to get off this **** as soon as I can and stay off as long as I can.  Each detox hopefully will be a learning experience, until one day you're chemically free.  Littleguy I understand what you're saying, but your comment seems to apply to those people who can take narcotics and not become addicted.....they're not on this forum.      Bye for now and good luck, hjp

[butterbeans]

Hi Ladies, it sounds like everyone of you are feeling strong and much better.  Abusa, I guess because I have two daughters, one being 22, that I worry about you.  Mom's are like that and want to protecttheir children from everyday pain and sufferening.  I hope that patch works for you, you sound like you could have it all with the career and all.  My daughter lives in NY , but, refuses to dance( She was trained for 10 years ) in all types, especially ballet.  She could be on Broadway, but, has left that part of life alone.  she also has been asked to model, and turned it down.  Doesn't think she would make it.  However, she works for a big company in Manhattan and makes good money for someone her age  She is extremely intelligent and independent.  But, I wish i could help you abusa, and the only way I know how is to tell you that you have everything going for you, including what must be wonder , loving parents, who put you in rehab to help you.  Keep up your strengths and you have many , just think what they are.  It is not just weaknesses we have , but, strengths, and these strenghts will show you you can do this and be a wonderful model, and maybe even star.  Telby and Jennyfla, I miss emailing you and getting your responses.  You both make me feel special and keep me going.  If we all lived in the same place, i would start a support group for addiction to narcotics  and we could all be there.  I am a therapist, but, therapist have problems too.  While I am helping you, you are helping me.  Be there for your kids, that's what's important, and you know what you have to do to be there for them.  You don't want them to see what you do with pills, as this is a learned behavior.  May God be with you all!
Love to all, Butterbeans

[abusa]

Thank you liitle guy. You seem a lot bigger than your name. I went to the pain doc who graduated from harvard. He has helped so many people with pain be successful. He put me on the duragesic patch b/c I couldn't fuction without pain relief. It's working great and there's no high , and i still have a liitle pain but it's tolerable. Pain is such a subjective thing for everyone. For me, i can't stand it. sorry hjb for being mean. I have been a wreck ever since detox but now I'm fine.

[littleguy]

Each person has to make their own choices about pain relief.  You should do what is right for you and share as much as you are willing to about it, but please do not assume that what is right for you is what's right for everyone else.  

littleguy

[hjp]

I think if I give you compassion Abusa you won't realize there is no light at the end of a narcotic tunnel.  I would love to discourage you from narcotic usage right out of the box.  Maybe we all have to travel down that tunnel and make our own choices; its just that you're so young and could have such a great life without the drugs, all your choices in life will be compromised, almost always, in a negative way if you're on narcotics. Nope not thirty, not forty.......58, two daughters 30 & 32.  Compassion.......you have no idea. Give yourself a chance abusa...bye for now, hjp

[abusa]

Sorry hpv, I'd like you to have a little compassion just before you attack me. I look at my mother and think how much i don't want to be on meds. She has changed but she makes it through every day with smiles on her face, not high. And has been on the same dose for a year.  The narcotics don't give me a high anymore . they just allow me to get up get dressed and make it to school. Tell me your problems , don't just come on here like a doctor and start assuming things about people. The narcotics didn't end my soccer or modeling career, thr pain did I lived with the pain for 2 years doing physical therapy, hypnotism, epidural, mri, cat scan, strengthing and exercise , ac level to a five at least.upuncture, massage, and even a 23,000 $ program at mayo that I intensively listened to which helped me cope at times but all i want is a little of the intensity of pain to go down and if vioxx would do it I" d take it but it doesn't. From a 8 Neither does celebrex, motrin, basically any anti inflammatories i've tried. Give me a non addictive drug that helps and i'll forget about mind altering drugs.

Butterbeans-- thanks for being sweet. I'd love to meet you. You seem like someone who is loving and not contradictive.

[abusa]

Sorry hpv, I'd like you to have a little compassion just before you attack me. I look at my mother and think how much i don't want to be on meds. She has changed but she makes it through every day with smiles on her face, not high. And has been on the same dose for a year.  The narcotics don't give me a high anymore . they just allow me to get up get dressed and make it to school. Tell me your problems , don't just come on here like a doctor and start assuming things about people. The narcotics didn't end my soccer or modeling career, thr pain did I lived with the pain for 2 years doing physical therapy, hypnotism, epidural, mri, cat scan, strengthing and exercise , ac level to a five at least.upuncture, massage, and even a 23,000 $ program at mayo that I intensively listened to which helped me cope at times but all i want is a little of the intensity of pain to go down and if vioxx would do it I" d take it but it doesn't. From a 8 Neither does celebrex, motrin, basically any anti inflammatories i've tried. Give me a non addictive drug that helps and i'll forget about mind altering drugs.

Butterbeans-- thanks for being sweet. I'd love to meet you. You seem like someone who is loving and not contradictive.

[abusa]

look buddy I have been diagnosed with fibromylgia and degenerative disk disesease by 10 doctors in Los angeles, Mayo clinic, all around california and they also can't believe how young i am  w/ this pain, and it's not a touch here and there .  Sorry but you're kind of a jerk to tell me I have a touch here and there. You want me to have a knife stuck in your back, black widow bites all over your body and tell you , get your head on straight ?  In fact **** you for acting like this is easy . How old are you, let me guess thirties or fourties. Well i can tell you one thing , though it doesn't matter b/c i'm 19, you're probably just as pathetic as you think i am. Pain is pain, it doesn't matter how old you are. I already have detoxed, been clean for three weeks from oxy's and the pain I had before has come back the same pain that made me leave college before my finals to find out what's wrong with me. I come on here for support not lectures from hard headed assholes--oh yeah , still love ya though

[abusa]

look buddy I have been diagnosed with fibromylgia and degenerative disk disesease by 10 doctors in Los angeles, Mayo clinic, all around california and they also can't believe how young i am  w/ this pain, and it's not a touch here and there .  Sorry but you're kind of a jerk to tell me I have a touch here and there. You want me to have a knife stuck in your back, black widow bites all over your body and tell you , get your head on straight ?  In fact **** you for acting like this is easy . How old are you, let me guess thirties or fourties. Well i can tell you one thing , though it doesn't matter b/c i'm 19, you're probably just as pathetic as you think i am. Pain is pain, it doesn't matter how old you are. I already have detoxed, been clean for three weeks from oxy's and the pain I had before has come back the same pain that made me leave college before my finals to find out what's wrong with me. I come on here for support not lectures from hard headed assholes--oh yeah , still love ya though

[butterbeans]

Hi everyone.  It has been a long time since I posted, but, I am still reading everyday.  Abusa, I remember you and it is good to hear from you.  I thought you must have gone into rehab.  Abusa, you are so young.  Chronic pain hurts, but, is it more emotional pain??  You can stop this now, before it gets too out of hand. There are meds that can help you that aren't addictive.  Please do that, if you want to live a great, quality life.  Think about all you want to do with your life.  You can do it!  J.B. I am proud of you, you are doing great, even though your wife is sick.  Be proud of yourself.  To everyone here, I am clean for about 10 days and I don't want to go back.  I feel good!  I am going to work real hard to not have this addiction continue.  I know that I will always have the addictive personality, you couldn't have told me that when I was young, as I wouldn't even drink!  But, when you have chronic pain for many years, and one day a doc gives you these pills, it is instant.  I wish it could be instant, stopping!  But, I will, if not now , someday, but, I hoope it is now.  Enjoy the superbowl for all those watching.  God Bless All of you!
Love to All, Butterbeans

[hjp]

got a ps for ya.  Did you pick up on your mom's "chronic pain habits?" Have you watched her get high from time to time and decided that's the life for you?..  Did you get started taking her meds?  Good luck abusa, you're going to need it tell you get your head screwed on straight.

[hjp]

I'm gonna give it to you the hard way abusa: I'm hearing fibromyalgia, bulging discs, all kinds of chronic pain stuff that I don't buy at all.  You're too young for all that junk and even if you had a touch here and there....its no excuse to be on oxy 240/day.  Some doc had his head in his ass to give you that stuff.  Probably ended your soccer career: I'm sure you couldn't run more than ten yards without stumbling.  Sorry not alot of sympathy here, but you've no business on narcs......suck it up...if you're gonna put your head in a noose...well ok cause you'll definitly end up in the same spot anyway.  Stop whinning and detox and get on with your life. Still love you though, hjp

[abusa]

I am a 19 yr old girl, used to have scholarships for soccer, straight A's and so on until pAIn started becoming an everyday part o my life. Have Fibromyalgia, deg disk disease, headaches and pinched nerve in my neck, anxiety, depression, no motivation am thinking to end this agony. I just returned to home, Cali. , from the Mayo clinic, chemical dependence program and pain rehabilitation center. Their philosophy about meds and pain is DONT  TAKE  ANYTHING, except SSRI and anti depressants. "Pain doesn't Kill" they tell me, well I'll kill you or go insane or kill myself if I'm not provided relief. But here's the scoop. I detoxed off of 240 mlg of oxy's and have been off of my only chance of having a life. They say that after a few months my natural endorphins would kick in. Well, how the **** am i going to get through those months. I had problems controlling the oxy's, they got stolen twice from roommates i think and now they say that i am an addict. I say, sure I'm addicted to not being in pain. My pain when i get up is an 8-9, i cry every morning and can hardly take a shower. I feel like a total failure to my parents who will not let me go back on narcotics, basically b/c the mayo clinic says no no no. It's my ******* choice. I'd rather live for a year w/o pain then my whole life like this.Please help, i'm at the end of my rope and soon if not helped will literally be at the end of my hung rope. Is it fair for my mother, who has chronic pain and takes percocet, says I'm too young to take narcotics and will not share one bit of her life abbout pain with me. They want me to go through another pain ******* program and i've already gone through the best, which didn't help me. It's like yeah i could depend on exercising , relaxation, stress management but it all only provides 10 minutes of relief. they also want me to go to a narcotics anonymous group where i'll be filled with people who don't even have pain. Dr. steve please help. I'm 19 and feel like i'm 80, this isn't a life, it's a living hell that no one deserves. The doctors say with my spine i shouldn't be having much pain -well isn't pain subjective, i don't have the threshold for this. I'd rather be living in haze w/ no pain than clear headed with this pain. please help---katherine

[VicoDee]

Sine Ive done retox and detox SO many times.. I will say i have studies on it and its effects wuite a bit and what happens to your body when you are detoxing...Opiates work like an antihistamine...so when you quit ? your body dumps a LOT of histamine on your system.Antihistamines helped me a lot to dewal with the daily energy thing..chlorphenerimine/they have 4mgs 8mgs and 12 mgs time released for daytime (chlortrimetron is the brand) and then to sleep ? if benzos scare anyone of addcited natures which I have also done for sleep...they do scare the **** out of me,as you may be trading one addiction for another one by far more dangerous...benzos will stop your heart if you do not taper them.Opiates just make you feel like you want to die but you wont when you detox them cold turkey.
benadryl is an excellent sleep aid for nightime detox releif,and the all the sinus stuff is caused by histamine dumps after coming off opiates.Actually Lomotil and that other antidiarrehal  med works fairly well too for side effects of opaite withdrawl as it is an teeny amount of an opiate antagonist.I just forget the name of it for now..lomotil is rx...the other is NOT..someone fill in the blanks here for me?Immodium!!! Thats the name of it...Immodium..it did really help quite a bit ...even though I hardly get the runs as they say it did help my dopamine receptors not to feel so forsaken when I would quit the dope.
The histamine dump is the first symptom you will notice when you detox..the sniffles and feeling like a bad cold/flu? its histamine dump.Antihistamines/and advil are a good go between for a week or two or hell maybe for as long as it takes.They are OTC anyway/Chlortirmetron for day gets me through some hard core fatigue/and benedryl at night helps for sleep.a little..opiate withdrawls are pretty hard on your getting some sleep man
Good luck..im retoxed,,,but when my greif subsides from my current situation of my grandmother dying in a hospital without hospice or dignity,And medicare wanting to dump us all on our asses financially?...maybe I will try for the billionth detox...it does seem impossible just from today's standpoint really.One day at a time..as they say? and today I have chosen drugs AGAIN for releif from my greif so I can get out of bed and go to work and pretend to be a part of society.Not to mention get some money in my bank acct?
I fear I may be a for-lifer at this point.This greif is kicking my addicted ass.
Dee*

[nefte]

I'm in my fourth day of detox from Stadol NS. Have gotten over the legs aches, sweats, chills, runny nose, lethargy and somnelence. Now I'm trying to get myself in gear to work but, my mind keeps wandering. Does the recipe of B-Complex, Zinc and 4000mg of L-tryosine help with this state of confusion and inability to get motivated to work?

[Rose1]

How are things going. Read your las post and it seemed you were tyring to find the"best" day to satet. Let you in on a secret. Threr are no perfect days. I just got out of a five day in patient detox but they allowed all doctor prescribed and vitamins to go in and let me take them, I never had it so easy. Part of the reason wait in anticipation is Fear. It will keep you from doing anything. I was fortunate to have doctors who added to the "recipe" and my doctor in turn lowered some of my doses. If you have any questions, want to talk cause you are having one of those restless nights e-mail  ***@**** or write bacl on thid forum. I check it all the time. I think I can help, perhaps not with drugs, but with some srong realistic answaers that could maybe ease your mind.  Waiting to hear from you!!!!!Rose1

[Rose1]

Hey Big Guy, It was so great to hear from you. You were new to this forum, not anymore. You are "one" of us now. I did keep the ,faith and followed all the rules of the "recipe" and added some of my own and did all the Srops the gave me. I think the hardes part was getting my mind prepared for it. If you need to tal or are having a hard time e-mail me at: klristau@foothill,net. I always have an ear or shoulder so don't hesitate. Let me knoe what you are on and that could be start. God bless you, Hope to hear from you soon and you keep the faith. Live Rose1

[Rose1]

Hey there friend, Just got back from a five day detox where they allow you to take all the vitamins and drugs you doctor presribed.I already ran out of amino's but willpick some up today. Thanks for writing me back. This is so nice to  have a common thread with people you've never mt, and yet it feels like I've known you forever. Probably due to our addiction. Some friend and myself read over the "recipe" and we added a few things. Unbelievable. Even my Doc. was impressed. I couldn't stay here and detox because mt mom is so clueless when it comes to this tpe of addicton, Please e-mail at ***@**** anytime and write back on this forum. I really have met some cool people. Thanks for all your support, and just know, if you ever needed me, I WOULD BE THERE. My SPINAL INJURIES HAVE GOTTEN WORSE. i NOW FELL FROM A HIGH LADDER AND BROKE THREE RIBS, wHAT DOES YOUR HUDBAND TAKE? TALK SOON, O.K. Call or write anytime, LOve and a payer Rose21

[Rose1]

Hey girl, Thank for writing back. There are so many nights and dats that seem imbearable but I know you can it, just like so many others have, If you want e-mail me  at ***@**** and boy do I have some ways to detox at home. I've added to the "recipe" with a few prominent poeple and it sure was an easy detox for me. I hope that you pray and parctice meditation. Part of changing. is changing your thinking when it comes to or pills. If I can be of any help please write back here on the forum or e-mail me at home. All the best to you, LOve Rose2

[Lou Minescence]

Hi all ... what a great site.  My heart goes out to each and every one of you.  My question regards the vitamin regimen on that wonderful recipe I just read ... whether it will help at the end of detox.  I'm in my 26th day of detoxing from oxyontin (high doses, six months). I am just about at the end of the tunnel.  We all know what's inside the bowels of that tunnel and for those of you there, draw strength from what seems to be a great bunch of fellow travelers through the river styx.

That is behind me 90%.  My doctor presribed Trasadol, Atarax and 10mg Lortabs.  I tapered down on the lortabs to nothing a few days ago.  I think I have a day, or a couple of days left of the lingering withdrawal symptoms. QUESTION:  Would these vitamins in the recipe help speed the process ... please let me know.  Thanks... Lou M

[darkissangel]

Ok i'm new here and i need some help on saturday i plan to detox but i'm not sure if i got the right recipe.i was told to use L-tyrsone and some b6 vitamins and valium i really need to start this on saturday because i go to school and i don't want to have to wait until next weekend so if some one could please help me or give me easy directions to the forum where i could find it i would apprechiate it
thanks
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