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CA high court overturns ban on gay marriage.
by peekawho, May 15, 2008 01:41PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080515/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage
Just heard this on the radio. Wonder how long before the overturning is overturned as it has been in the past...sheesh.
Let people live the way they want to.
Just heard this on the radio. Wonder how long before the overturning is overturned as it has been in the past...sheesh.
Let people live the way they want to.
We AGREE!!!!
That's only my opinion based on my beliefs.
Just be willing to think about all of that. I think when we throw away what conventional marraige was meant to be then we are opening up the floodgates for anything and everything.
Ok, I've put on my armor and am ready for the attacks, lol. Are you ready AJ? I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. I didn't get enough last week! I know there are plenty on here that agree with you and me but are too afraid to say so. But, as my mom always used to say, if you don't stand up for something - you'll fall for anything.
I don't care if people are polygamous, actually.
I do care if people marry their dogs, b/c dogs can't give consent. Same with marrying children. Children can't consent to marriage.
So, no controversy there.
One of my best friend's decided to leave his wife and children and move in with another man. He has walked away from his faith and his family. All our hearts are broken but we still love him.
Like I said, I can love the person but still hate what they do.
You sound like you are very religious. Why not put this one in God's hands and just choose love, leave the hate part out? Honestly, this is more of a civil rights issue than a religious one anyway. Let them share the same rights as straight commited couples and suffer the same tax penalties.
To tell you the truth, I don't care what they want to do in their bedrooms. They're grown adults, they can do what they want. What I don't like is when they try to force this down our throats as normal and we have to accept this as such. This doesn't mean I don't like the person but I don't like being forced to accept something I don't agree with. I've seen the gay pride marches. It's down right pornographic I don't like anything oversexualized where my children have to see that. I don't teach my children to hate homosexuals anymore than I teach them to hate an alcoholic. I teach them to have love and compassion for all people.
Like I said earlier, which no one is apparently listening to - I can love the person but hate what they do. There's a big difference there. I would still love my brother if he chose to have an affair and cheat on his wife. I wouldn't approve of it, but I'd still love him. Does that make sense? Or does anyone really want to hear what I have to say? Because I've already had to repeat this a few times. I don't hate anyone!
This is why I started to not get involoved with this thread and I wish people would just quit posting contraversial subjects like this too. They surely have to know it's a hot subject just like abortion and religion but then I think Peekawho knew that. I think she likes to get things stirred up sometimes.
If you all don't want someone disagreeing with you, why post this to everyone? Or did you think everyone would agree with you? Somehow I doubt that. Most Christians feel the same way as me and AJH84 but are too afraid to step forward and say.
And btw, I have nothing against interacial marraiges. It's still a man and a woman. I understand that ziggysgirl is upset right now and I'm sorry about that. I can see she loves her brother and I think that's wonderful. If I had a gay member of my family of course I'd still love them. Nothing would change that. Like I said earlier, I can love the person but just not agree with what they're doing. See, that's the difference. I feel like a lot of gay people are being misled into thinking this is genetic so therefore they can't help themselves. I don't believe that and actually a lot of gay people don't believe that and will say it's a choice and that's the way they want it. Yes, I've talked to people who came out of the gay lifestyle and read some books on it. I did that because someone near and dear was struggling with their sexuality and was unsure. (This person had been molested as a child and was just so confused about it all. They later realized that they weren't gay or bisexual at all. They did have to go to counseling for the molestation and come to grips about what happened and how it wasn't their fault.) Interestingly, or should I say sadly enough, many, many gay people will tell you they were sexually molested as a child and that's why they turned to their own sex because they felt safer. I could go on but I know no one really wants to hear this. I just wish people would be as open to hearing what I have to hear as they are open to the other side. How come we don't help those who have been sexually molested and that's why they're confused about their sexuality? I'm just saying we have to look into all of that. I think some people aren't aware of that.
I don't think we should try and force anyone to accept anything. We are all adults after all. I don't think we should be bringing it in our elementary schools though and teaching our children any of this anymore than I think we should be bringing sex education into our schools. Yes, I said that. I think we should leave the sex education to the parents and leave the reading and writing to the schools. The only reason the schools started teaching sex education is because parents weren't doing their jobs. What business is it to be in the schools? Again it's all a moral teaching that belongs to the parents to teach their children.
Don't worry, I'm not one of those people who hold up the hate signs and picket. I'm really not. I wouldn't do that. I try and respect and love all people. I also wouldn't just walk up to a gay person and tell him he's wrong. Granted, I woudn't like to see them making out in public anymore than I'd like to see any couple making out in public. It's just too "in your face" to me. They're forcing us to accept something we don't agree with.
One thing you said is correct though. They should have the same benefits as anyone else. I don't think anyone should be discriminated against. However, I think it does send the wrong message to our children when they marry because marraige was meant to be a mother, father and children. I think our children are already so mixed up with everything going on in their generation. It's just one more confusing thing for them to try and process. There doesn't seem to be any absolute truths anymore. Everything has become blurred. I feel sorry for kids now days. They don't know what to believe in. Everything is ok now. Sex is ok for teens to be experimenting in, gay sex is ok to try out. I've actually gone online and seen people encouraging 13 year old's who were wondering about their sexuality to "explore their sexuality" and try gay sex to see if they were gay. No wonder they're confused! Nobody's giving them guidelines. So, yep, that's basically how I feel.
I'd love to talk to anyone or even politely debate with anyone on this as long as we can all remain polite and respectful, and as long as we can all be open to hearing what the other person has to say.
But. Does it harm me that two women or two men, (or 3 women and 3 men, whatever) want to declare a legal partnership? No, it doesn't harm me.
It doesn't harm me any more than mother's day cards for dog mommies, and the Petsmart advertisement with the golden retriever puppy with a pacifier in it's mouth. There are women who believe they are "mommies" to dogs, and they will even tell you these are just like my children, the way you feel about your children is how I feel about my dogs. Okay. *stares off into space for a moment*
So. Gay marriage doesn't harm me, it seems to add a GREAT deal of joy to the lives of those who have been begging to be able to legally marry, so be it.
Marriage isn't just for people who want children, it's a contract which includes financial matters. Gay people who are committed to each other need to have the same legal rights to homes, bank accounts, retirement funds, as straight people. It's that simple.
And if they want to declare their love in front of friends and family, that's nice too.
Also April2: "interestingly, or should I say sadly enough, many, many gay people will tell you they were sexually molested as a child" I believe the statistics are 1 in 3 girls are molested or sexually assaulted before age 18 and 1 in 5 boys. Those are pretty sobering numbers. Sexual abuse is such a widespread social disease in our times and is inflicted across gender, race, class, and sexual preference. I think it is grossly innaccurate to say that sexual abuse somehow alters a person's sexual preference, and I have never (as you claim) met a single gay person that says they chose to be gay due to childhood trauma, every gay person I know says they knew they were different from their earliest memories and only later knew there were others like them. I think it is very insulting both to people that are gay and survivors of sexual abuse to relate the two to each other. It just confuses problems of tolerance with problems of abuse prevention and treatment and they both need to be addressed in their own way. If you are truly striving for love and compassion I think this is a belief you may want to re-examine, or at very least be more sensitive in the way you use others' traumas to defend your views.