DIAB X

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Anyone can comment on DIAB-X, I was recently diagnosed with TYPE II. Lost and really don't know how to cope, someone told me about DIAB-x but I can't get any reviews.

Thanks

[Dot.Calm]

Snake oil...no site list amount of ingredients in each capsule/tablet. To much chromium leads to ill health. If it was such a cure then why hasn't the American Diabetes Association made announcements proclaiming its wonder cure? No doctors backing this wonder cure? No major teaching hospital where doctors are trained using it or backing it? By the way, I went to the various university web sites and various test labs listed on several pages touting DIAB-X, and searched and searched for DIAB-X test results. Guess what? Nothing could be found on DIAB-X. Snake oil.

[DavePRH]

To: Dot.calm:

I read your comments about our product, Diab-X, and find them just plain mis-informed. If you had visited our website, you'd find that:

1.) Product Ingredients can be found by clicking on "Ingredients" tab (left hand navigation bar). It will display our product label that lists each ingredient and dosage level per tablet. We repeatedly state on our site, that ingredient levels noted on this label strictly conform to all clinical tests conducted and related benefits achieved. These ingredient claims are supported by USP and NF certification of dosage level, ingredient and purity.
2.) "Too much chromium leads to ill health". If you click on the "Clinical Research" tab you'll find clinical test results, showing that Diab-X's chromium ingredient has been tested by Creighton University Medical Center to be safe over a range of toxicity tests. Further (not on our site), the independent Burdock Institute has tested Diab-X active ingredients for both short and long term toxicity and it has been awarded GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe), a designation rarely sought by most supplement manufacturers, but tested and proven safe and granted for Diab-X chromium ingredients.
3.) Lack of ADA recognition. If you are familiar with the ADA, you'll know that they do not endorse supplement products. They receive substantial advertising support from large pharmaceutical firms, little ad revenue from over-the-counter products.
4.) "No doctors backing" claimed benefits". On the contrary, the extensive clinical test results have been arrived at by a host of physicians who oversaw the double blind placebo testing (over 100 studies at Harvard, UC Berkeley, etc.). Outside of clinical reports, Dr. Harry Preuss of Georgetown University Medical Center, who oversaw many of the tests conducted to substantiate the active ingredients in Diab-X, states support in his book, The Fat Loss Pharmacy, for the active ingredients in our product. Also, Dr. Nicholas Perricone, best-selling author also openly endorses our active ingredients, ChromeMate and Clinical Strength CitriMax in his last two books.
5.) "Nothing (supportive research) supporting Diab-X (claims)". Again, please click on the "Clinical Research" tab found on our web site. You'll find summaries of research studies conducted on this product. Most people are not interested in reading the full clinical study procedures and results, which is why we only post abbreviated descriptions and only a partial list of clinical work done on these ingredients. If you would like these, we can make full study and source documentation available to you.

Dot.calm, we strongly urge you to go back to our site, and review the available ingredients and clinical study summaries that are available for review. Contrary to your claim of "snake oil", Diab-X ingredients are some of the most clinically-tested and proven effective ingredients on the market today.
Dave Perry
Proven Results Health (Diab-X)

[Dot.Calm]

"the extensive clinical test results have been arrived at by a host of physicians who oversaw the double blind placebo testing (over 100 studies at Harvard, UC Berkeley, etc.)"

I would like to see the full test, the studies and their results, not "your" summaries. Where can one view them?

[DavePRH]

The studies can be found at www.interhealthusa.com. This company provides us with two of the active ingredient compounds used in Diab-X.

Go to this site, click on "Research" (found on the left side navigation bar). You'll find Clinical Strength CitriMax and ChromeMate clincial test results, test procedures, etc.

Many of the studies are posted there. Some require explanation. Some require attribution.

If you want this additional information, we will set up a conference call between you and Dr. Baaschi from Interhealth, who oversees research studies and documentation through independent sources such as the universities we've identified on our web site and the Burdock Group. He also can provide research feedback from additional studies conducted, but not posted on the Interhealth site.

Also, as mentioned, commentary on clinical test results for the active Diab-X ingredients can be found in the books published by both Dr. Harry Preuss and Dr. Nicholas Perricone.

Dave Perry
Proven Results Health (Diab-X)

[Dot.Calm]

Please stop with all the excessive fluffy verbiage and pointing to other web sites.  Interhealth is known for their quality products sold to other supplement manufactures, yet you fail to produce evidence that Diab-X as a whole reduce glucoses levels.

I’ll ask again and detail what I wish to see as far as test results. I would like to see clinical test results on humans, not animals, with the following information:
1. DiabX in the heading
2. Testing date – dd/mm/yyyy
3. Where the test was conducted
4. Who conducted the test
5. Duration of test
6. Number of individuals in each test group
7. Number of individuals receiving DiabX
8. Number of individuals receiving a placebo
9. Daily Diab-X dose for each individual
10. And the diet they were on to prove Diab-X lowered their glucose levels

Make me a believer. So far you haven’t and I still consider Diab-X “Snake Oil”.

I hope this isn't to much to ask for.

DC

[Dot.Calm]

I would also like to see if individuals remained at their same weight from beginning to end of test.

[DavePRH]

All of your questions can be answered by Interhealth's head of research, Dr. Baaschi.

I'll set up a conference call between you, he and I. Email your telephone number and available times to me at ***@****.

Dave Perry
Proven Results Health (Diab-X)

[Dot.Calm]

Figures, you don't have written test results to post anywhere on the net.

[WaveRider]

Hahahahahaha. Snake oil....hahahaha Dot.Calm you're way too funny. This Diab-X stuff is just another one of those supplements without real facts. All these claims of being tested by leading medical and educational centers is just a big fat old lie. NOBODY takes the time to test without documenting exactly the facts like what you requested from this Dave dude. Proven results? More like un-proven results. Facts, dude, facts, written documented certified test proof facts.

[bigpicture]

Just a personal observation that seems to go mostly unmentioned, is the psychological disposition of the diabetic personality.  The critical, cynical, self centered and argumentative attitude seems to go along with the diabetic condition. And no drug or supplement can cure that.

A change in attitude as well as diet can go a long way to curing this condition.  And yes chromium among other things such as cinnamon and vinegar, does help.

[CoWriter]

Dave....you should know that when you take one of us on, you take the whole forum on, and some of us have a background in diabetes and Clinical Research.  So we know how to read studies.

You are basically quoting studies done on some of the ingredients contained in Diab-X, but no human studies done on the product itself.

Let's look at one of the claims made about Diab-X.  The website says it.....

"Reduces weight regain after weight loss in animals.".....and the study quoted as proof is titled.....

"Effect of hydroxycitrate on respiratory quotient, energy expenditure, and glucose tolerance in male rats after a period of restrictive feeding."

This study, done in Switzerland in 2004, used 24 male rats which were basically starved for 10 days then fed a high glucose diet plus hydroxycitrate (HCA) supplement for 6 DAYS.  Controls received the same diet without the HCA supplement.

During the first couple of days, the respiration quotient (RQ) and energy expenditure (EE) decreased.  The findings POSSIBLY reflected a decrease in de novo lipogenesis (fat production).  But by day 6, the respiration quotient (RQ) and energy expenditure (EE) DID NOT DIFFER between treatment groups. HCA suppressed food intake during the first couple of days, but overall, (as stated by the study results), BODY WEIGHT REGAIN WAS NOT DECREASED in the HCA group.

In other words, hydroxycitrate (HCA) DID NOT "reduce weight regain after weight loss in animals" as your website claims.  

So that makes one of your claims FALSE Dave.  As you told Dot.Calm, I strongly urge you to go back to your site and review what the study says.  


Oh yes, the study also said, "HCA MAY improve glucose tolerance".  But since an oral glucose tolerance test was only performed on day 4 or 5 of the high glucose diet, then there's really no way to compare to baseline, is there?  That means there's no way to show improvement in glucose tolerance.

Plus, you and I know that in the world of Clinical Research, a study done for 6 days on 24 RATS means absolutely nothing.

Come back and talk to us when you can show us LONG-TERM Diab-X EFFECTIVENESS STUDIES done on HUMANS.

[CoWriter]

One more thing.....

The study says..... "An oral glucose tolerance test was performed on ad libitum day 4 or 5" (that means the test was done 4 or 5 days after starting the high glucose diet).

You know what's wrong with that?  When you conduct research, you test EVERY SUBJECT ON THE SAME DAY, otherwise you're violating protocol and the study is considered flawed.

And trying to use the data from a study that tested subjects on different dates is unethical.