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Edward W Hook, MD - HIV Prevention, stds
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by StressedScared, Jul 19, 2008 07:21PM
I am a male and 11 days ago I had unprotected anal sex with a male of unknown HIV status.  I was the insertive and not the receptive partner.  The entire event lasted less than 2 minutes.  I have no fever.  The only symptom I am experiencing is swollen lymph nodes/glands in the neck and groin.  I already had some swelling in one of the nodes in my neck around the time of the event due to sinus allergies.  I saw a Dr. 3 days ago who said she couldnt feel any swelling and ordered a full STD panel.  No results yet.  I saw another Dr. in the same office today who said she could feel swollen nodes in my neck and some swelling in the groin. She couldnt feel anything in the armpit but they feel puffy and I have a burning pain.  I know symptoms arent a good indication.  Can the beginng of HIV have only the symptom of swollen nodes?  Could it be syphalis with the only symptom being the nodes? Considering the activity, what is the soonest I can test with a degree of accuracy.  I will definately test again at 3 months but there is no way I will make it that long mentally without a 2nd test to help calm my nerves.  Thanks Doctor.

by Edward W Hook, MD, Jul 24, 2008 02:47PM
What we know is that about 50% are positive at two weeks and 85-90% by 4 weeks.  Thus it is reasonable to assume that about 75% will be positive at 3 weeks.  EWH
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by Edward W Hook, MD, Jul 19, 2008 10:19PM
There is no denying that your exposure was a risky one.  Even so, the risk is not high.  Let's analyze your risk.

1,  The partner.   Unknown HIV status but we both know that  sex with a random partner of unknown HIV status is riskier than having sex with someone whom you know or whose status you know.  Even so, odds that he was infected on a statistical basis are probably less than in 10%.  Thus it is unlikely that he was infected.

2.  The exposure.  The odds of HIV transmission though rectal sex. if your partner was infected, are about 1 in 100 with the odds for the insertive partner (you) being lower than for the receptive partner.

3.  Your symptoms.  While they occur at approximately the right time for the ARS, when studied, less than 1 in 100 people with a flu-like illness characterized by the symptoms of the ARS turn out to have the ARS.  It is far more likely that you have some sort of non-specific viral illness, not ARS.

Putting all of this together, while there certainly is risk associated with your exposure, the odds are still very much in your favor that you do not have HIV.  A first HIV test at about 4 weeks will give you about a result at a time when 85-90% of tests that are going to be positive will be and will be highly informative.   In this situation some would suggest a HIV PCR  test,  I do not because false postives in this test are much more common than in the antibody blood test and thus could suggest you are infected when in reality you are not.

I hope this helps.  Please keep us posted on your tests.  EWH

by StressedScared, Jul 19, 2008 10:37PM
To: EWH
Quick follow up question. Is it common for the only symptom of ARS to be swollen nodes?  Also, could the only symptom of syphallis be the swollen nodes.  Are there more common viruses with the only symptom being swollen nodes?   Thanks and sorry to bother you again.

by Edward W Hook, MD, Jul 20, 2008 07:53AM
No, in fact it would be most uncommon for ARS to present with only swollen nodes.  

As far as causes of swollen nodes are concerned, the list is very long and includes not only many viruses but also bacterial infections, non-specific inflammatory responses due to things other that infection (i.e. medications, allergies, etc) and much, much more.  Evaluation of swollen nodes should be done in the context of complete examination and evaluation with your doctor.  From your post it sounds that the first thing to sort of is if your nodes are swollen (you indicate that your two doctors are not totally in agreement on this) and then go from there.

As for syphilis, the timing and findings are not right for your symptoms to be syphilis unless there is something you've forgotten to mention in your post.  If you had swollen nodes from syphilis, your blood test would be positive.  Good luck.  EWH

by StressedScared, Jul 24, 2008 12:29PM
I am still waiting in the STD panel results for which the HIV test would only have been 8 days post exposure anyway.  The lab would have recieved the blood and urine last Saturday.   Word of advice to all, if it is HIV that is your main concern get your health care provider to seperate it and not send it with a full STD panel request.  Other diseases in the panel must be cultured and it takes way longer to get some of the results.  Having made it to 2 weeks, which I have seen the docotrs post got you to around 50%, I went ahead and had a different provider do an HIV test yesterday.  I just hope it comes out ok and I can handle the stress another 2 weeks.  I have continued to feel some discomfort and puffyness in my groin and armpits.  I also have a swollen node in my neck but it was already there around the time of exposure (sinus problems which have continued)  Still no fever or rash, etc.  Some fatigue, but I think it is being caused by the unbearable amount of stress.    

I think I saw a post the other day that 3 weeks gets you to around 75%?

by StressedScared, Jul 24, 2008 02:34PM
To: EWH
Just got back negative results for the test I took yesterday which was 2 weeks post exposure.  I was about to have a heart attack when they called with the results so quickly (24 hrs)  I know I should wait for 4 weeks but I may test again next week (3weeks) and then again at 4, 6 and after 12.  

Is around 75% testing positive that are going to test positive an accurate figure for 3 weeks?

by StressedScared, Jul 30, 2008 09:49AM
To: EWH
I finally got back the STD panel and everything was negative.  While I know it is crazy, I am going to have a 3 week test done today.

by StressedScared, Jul 31, 2008 03:00PM
To: EWH
I just got the 3 week test result and it was negative. Now if I can just get the same result next week I will feel alot better about things.   I used one of the online services that advertise on this site this time.  It was a very smooth process.  Would a person who was infected and had symptoms such as swollen lymph nodes and glands tend to show antibodies earlier than someone that was infected and had no symptoms?

by Edward W Hook, MD, Jul 31, 2008 03:08PM
You question does not have a good answer.  Patients with classical ARS have negative blood tests, that is part of the definition of ARS.  There are no studies comparing the onset of antibodies in persos with and without symptoms.

This thread is getting too far into "what if questions" which have little value to you.  Please, no further questions. EWH

by StressedScared, Aug 06, 2008 01:53PM