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supplements you should never take

Jun 18, 2014 - 3 comments

                                                 supplements you should never take

Yohimbe
Its prescription form (yohimbine hydrochloride) is used under close medical supervision to treat erectile dysfunction. But it’s risky to use the versions found over-the-counter, because the ingredient can cause high or low blood pressure, rapid heart rate, and other problems.

Kava
Taken to relieve stress and anxiety, it has been linked to liver damage, including cirrhosis and hepatitis.


Aconite
Used to relieve inflammation and joint pain, it can cause nausea, vomiting, low blood pressure, respiratory-system paralysis, heart-rhythm disorders, and even death.





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by Paxiled, Jun 22, 2014
This popped up on my home page, again don't know why, but I would disagree wholeheartedly with the "never" part.  Kava in standardized form is the only form linked to liver damage.  The report listed five people several years ago.  One was swilling the stuff like water, so that one is worthless.  The other four were all taking prescription drugs and alcohol and other things that are known liver toxins.  So to be safe, just avoid the standardized form.  People in the islands where kava is native use it as a daily drink, and there are no reports whatsoever of any liver toxicity, and nobody would ever take this much using it for health purposes.  It is a very effective herb, the closest natural remedy to a benzodiazepine, and far less consequential than any benzo.  Every pharmaceutical product ever made is to an extent liver toxic, and we can protect ourselves from most of them by getting our liver enzymes checked on a regular basis.  Statins are liver toxic, aceptomenophin is liver toxic, and I mean highly so, but there are times when these medicines are necessary.  Older antidepressants and the snri class are liver toxic, but when they work a whole lot better than not being able to function.  Quinine is liver toxic, but better than malaria.  Kava has very few reports of any harm, and nobody has reported any deaths, so if properly used and in the safer forms such as encapsulated juice or tinctures there are no reports of liver toxicity.  Nothing in life is perfectly safe, so to say never use this very effective herb is going way too far.  Yohimbe isn't toxic at all -- if it causes any problems you just stop using it.  I wouldn't use it personally, but for low testosterone it's far safer than any medication.  Again, you just have to monitor its use as it affects you -- many people use it, and have used it for centuries, with no problems whatsoever.  So again, you're going overboard.  Don't know anything about aconite, and the only form I've ever seen this used is in homeopathic form where there are no active ingredients.  We certainly never sold this in health food stores, but we did sell the first two, to a lot of people, and to my knowledge no harm was caused.  When the warning about kava came out several years ago some companies stopped selling it, but the ones run by real herbalists still do and they certainly wouldn't if they believed they'd be in serious danger of being put in prison or fined.  Nothing has happened all these years later because the liver warning was overblown and overhyped by the websites and organizations paid by the pharmaceutical industry to suppress competition.  With yohimbe, you also tell people, if it overstimulates you, don't use it, and it's traditional use would say it's only for men, not for women, but extremely yin women find it helpful to reinvigorate their sex drive.  All medicines have potential side effects, but life is full of tradeoffs, you just have to monitor them and do thorough homework or talk to experts to see how real the dangers are.

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by gymdandee, Jun 22, 2014
Pax, I received that from the following!

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2014/05/supplements-to-avoid/index.htm?loginMethod=auto&copyrightYear=2014

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by Paxiled, Jun 23, 2014
That's again the problem I keep mentioning.  These reports you see on the net are very shallow as are the tiny studies you often cite to people who have specific questions.  I researched aconite -- this is an herb that is never used, isn't even available to any but the most expert herbalist.  In Planetary Herbology, a book by an actual expert, it's listed as something like an ancient form of adrenaline.  The first line about it is, it's toxic -- it's a poison.  Like cinchona bark, the herb from which quinine was derived.  But if you know how to use these things, you know how to treat them to minimize their toxicity.  With aconite, provided you ever had a need to rapidly increase a person's metabolic rate without access to a modern hospital, you have to treat it for a while with vinegar and other things to take out most of the toxicity.  So again, even this poison isn't a "never" use, it's an only use if you know how.  Herbal medicine does have toxicity to it, though not nearly as much as pharmaceutical medicine.  Had you gotten the back surgery you wanted the odds are very high you would have had a failed operation that left you in worse pain -- these are the surgeries that supply the most customers for the opiates everyone is paranoid about now because they're so often botched.  So yeah, there are downsides to most things.  If you don't prepare beans properly they can really mess up your digestive system.  Life is just downright difficult.  But people who know how to use these herbs are aware due to their long usage how to properly prepare and use them.  The problem occurs when people sell them, usually over the internet or by direct marketing, to people who don't know how to use them and the caution that has to be exercised, but this problem is no different than the fact that most doctors only know about medication what pharmaceutical companies tell them when selling the drugs to them, and pharmaceutical companies lie on every drug ever made in the indirect way of withholding negative info from the FDA and from physicians they learned during the development period.  We can't learn this info because it's proprietary info, but at least with herbs you can pick up a good herbal and see since for traditional herbs there is no proprietary info -- no patents.  This is less true for newer stuff that isn't really natural sold by direct marketers over the internet and has no long history of use, because then we really don't know how to properly use them.  This is why I keep criticizing you for posting this kind of stuff -- I'm not trying to be nasty, I'm really not, I'm trying to get you to realize you shouldn't advise people about things that aren't in your experience or area of expertise when they're asking specific questions just because you found it on pub med or in consumer reports.  These groups aren't expert either and often articles come from people with a political agenda.  There are many special interests trying to go after just about everything these days, so it's hard to tell good info from bad, even for a group as respected as consumer reports.  As I said, the only people legitimately using aconite are using it in homeopathic form, where there is no danger.  Life's complicated, medicine is even more so, and people more so still.  Peace.

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