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Oct 03, 2009 - 1 comments
Shaffekl, Sparky, Frog and Suzi, I SURE LOVE YOU GUYS.
I poped in late this afternoon from my work PC to read the posts and AM NOW following up on your streams.
WOWIE WOW WOW!
I am impressed by how you guys HAVE GONE out of your way to be careful with one another's feelings and to clarify things said. For a bunch of recovering addicts, we are alright! :) I also really applaud how everyone is working together on our common addiction to TRAMADOL. Beautiful.
The reality is - regardless of HOW we GOT HERE, WHY we got here, WHAT our doctors told us before we got here, whether we have attempted to quit BEFORE we got here, or WHERE be bought or drug before we got here...we are all here now with an addiction that EACH of us is working to KICK. With the truly hellish withdrawal that is involved, joining together makes a great deal of sense. YEAH you guys. Reading your posts kept me clean today - thank you.
If anyone is in day 1-4, you have my sympathy AND admiration.
It's a bit troubling however, to consider all of the people who either have no idea they are addicted, or who are unable to get help. One of the things I am most curious about is the amount of "trafficing" or sales if you will, that takes place online in the USA and/or around the world. I would never judge someone for buying tramadol ANYWHERE but I do get upset at how easily it is pushed at the unsuspecting public online. This drug seems to be America's dirty little secret. Nobody talks about it, nobody objects, and apparently, nobody cares. Imagine how many people are hooked on this stuff RIGHT NOW? When one considers the # of online sites making MILLIONS from which to purchase this drug, the potential for a REAL health care crisis involving tramadol seems enevitable....eventually.
In the 1940s and 50s, "thalidomide was a drug used regulaarly in the treatment of leprosy. Thalidomide was also prescribed to expectant mothers to treat morning sickness, anxiety, and insomnia. A DECADE later, the Food and Drug Administration took the drug off the market after more than 10,000 babies exposed to thalidomide in the womb were born with severe adverse thalidomide birth defects including serious malformations and limb deformities. I am old enough to have had some of those people in my school and it was SAD SAD SAD. That stuff was horrible, yet after seeing babies born without arms, legs, etc. - it took the FDA over a decade to pull it from the market! Which brings us to Shaffekl's Q.
Shaffekl, you asked, whether "tramadol is going to be on 60min for real"? Well how about this, if I have anything to say about it, it will be one day. But I have no knowledge as to whether CBS plans to run a story about this on 60 Minutes any time soon. Wouldn't it be great though if it was EXPOSED on National television? I guess what I meant to say before was that it NEEDS to be exposed.
I have seen FAR less provocative stories told with a whole lot less IMPORT being aired on the show. The problem is, someone needs to make a credible case for the abuse that is happening with this drug. And they'd probably want to interview someone and have someone to be in front of the camara. I'm not those guys either but I would like to one day at least put together a credible case to substantiate the abuse and horrors that are going on involving the drug. But like I have said before, my battle TODAY is a great deal more personal.
Quitting for Others? Frog, you put it so well when you said, "I need to take care of number one. I am no good to anyone if I am not healthy". I TOTALLY agree with you. It is hard enough quitting for myself. I wouldn't stand a chance trying to do this for ANYONE else.
I am still cracking up over Suzi's signoff last night, when she declared, "Hopefully Goodnight to all". After my "flare up" of foot pain last night my teasing you, Shaffekl about your BATHS...I think I'll just slide out quietly tonight.
Warm Regards, Fred
I poped in late this afternoon from my work PC to read the posts and AM NOW following up on your streams.
WOWIE WOW WOW!
I am impressed by how you guys HAVE GONE out of your way to be careful with one another's feelings and to clarify things said. For a bunch of recovering addicts, we are alright! :) I also really applaud how everyone is working together on our common addiction to TRAMADOL. Beautiful.
The reality is - regardless of HOW we GOT HERE, WHY we got here, WHAT our doctors told us before we got here, whether we have attempted to quit BEFORE we got here, or WHERE be bought or drug before we got here...we are all here now with an addiction that EACH of us is working to KICK. With the truly hellish withdrawal that is involved, joining together makes a great deal of sense. YEAH you guys. Reading your posts kept me clean today - thank you.
If anyone is in day 1-4, you have my sympathy AND admiration.
It's a bit troubling however, to consider all of the people who either have no idea they are addicted, or who are unable to get help. One of the things I am most curious about is the amount of "trafficing" or sales if you will, that takes place online in the USA and/or around the world. I would never judge someone for buying tramadol ANYWHERE but I do get upset at how easily it is pushed at the unsuspecting public online. This drug seems to be America's dirty little secret. Nobody talks about it, nobody objects, and apparently, nobody cares. Imagine how many people are hooked on this stuff RIGHT NOW? When one considers the # of online sites making MILLIONS from which to purchase this drug, the potential for a REAL health care crisis involving tramadol seems enevitable....eventually.
In the 1940s and 50s, "thalidomide was a drug used regulaarly in the treatment of leprosy. Thalidomide was also prescribed to expectant mothers to treat morning sickness, anxiety, and insomnia. A DECADE later, the Food and Drug Administration took the drug off the market after more than 10,000 babies exposed to thalidomide in the womb were born with severe adverse thalidomide birth defects including serious malformations and limb deformities. I am old enough to have had some of those people in my school and it was SAD SAD SAD. That stuff was horrible, yet after seeing babies born without arms, legs, etc. - it took the FDA over a decade to pull it from the market! Which brings us to Shaffekl's Q.
Shaffekl, you asked, whether "tramadol is going to be on 60min for real"? Well how about this, if I have anything to say about it, it will be one day. But I have no knowledge as to whether CBS plans to run a story about this on 60 Minutes any time soon. Wouldn't it be great though if it was EXPOSED on National television? I guess what I meant to say before was that it NEEDS to be exposed.
I have seen FAR less provocative stories told with a whole lot less IMPORT being aired on the show. The problem is, someone needs to make a credible case for the abuse that is happening with this drug. And they'd probably want to interview someone and have someone to be in front of the camara. I'm not those guys either but I would like to one day at least put together a credible case to substantiate the abuse and horrors that are going on involving the drug. But like I have said before, my battle TODAY is a great deal more personal.
Quitting for Others? Frog, you put it so well when you said, "I need to take care of number one. I am no good to anyone if I am not healthy". I TOTALLY agree with you. It is hard enough quitting for myself. I wouldn't stand a chance trying to do this for ANYONE else.
I am still cracking up over Suzi's signoff last night, when she declared, "Hopefully Goodnight to all". After my "flare up" of foot pain last night my teasing you, Shaffekl about your BATHS...I think I'll just slide out quietly tonight.
Warm Regards, Fred
The real joke is that "my" doctor prescribed tramadol to me for post-andropausal thalidomide-pain.
Janet McCredie, "Beyond Thalidomide – Birth Defects Explained", London, The Royal Society of Medicine Press, 2007
p. 406
When the thalidomiders reached middle age, they also sustained the second physiological loss of neurons as normal degenerative processes took hold.
In their case, the second reduction of axon numbers may be critical.
They experience late-onset sensory symptoms in their reduced limbs
because
the second drop-out of sensory axons depletes the population of their peripheral nerves,
perhaps below the threshold level where symptoms occur.
p. 406 also
Thalidomiders have coasted along for 45 years with subclinical neuropathy.
At middle age, the additional physiological degeneration of sensory nerves may deplete the axon population to a level below the symptom threshold.
A subclinical neuropathy (then becomes a clinical (symptomatic) neuropathy.
Janet McCredie, "Beyond Thalidomide – Birth Defects Explained", London, The Royal Society of Medicine Press, 2007
p. 406
When the thalidomiders reached middle age, they also sustained the second physiological loss of neurons as normal degenerative processes took hold.
In their case, the second reduction of axon numbers may be critical.
They experience late-onset sensory symptoms in their reduced limbs
because
the second drop-out of sensory axons depletes the population of their peripheral nerves,
perhaps below the threshold level where symptoms occur.
p. 406 also
Thalidomiders have coasted along for 45 years with subclinical neuropathy.
At middle age, the additional physiological degeneration of sensory nerves may deplete the axon population to a level below the symptom threshold.
A subclinical neuropathy (then becomes a clinical (symptomatic) neuropathy.
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