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Jul 03, 2008 01:34AM - 29 comments

Methadone/Opiate withdrawal

Dr. David Arneson, NMD

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‘There is no free lunch.’

Last updated 3/21/05



I believe in the search for truth…the following monograph is what I know to be true about the use and withdrawal from methadone. I also understand that in life, the truth is constantly evolving.  My 18 years on the road to recovery probably taints my judgment somewhat…but friends—I know recovery from the bottom rung. I’ve written countless e-mail replies to those of you who wish to discontinue methadone. In order to save myself time I’ve decided to write as much as I can on one, or two, pages…the truth as I see it…to assist you in your endeavor. I will be adding and subtracting as more information is made available. Certainly, you may perceive your truth to be different. If you think that going to the methadone clinic every morning to get your dose for the rest of your life…gives you quality of life…then read no further and God bless you. I assure you, the standard medical establishment does not have an answer for withdrawal. In fact, the new way of thinking is that many of you will have to be on methadone for the rest of your lives. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They will try and convince you that sudden withdrawal will cause your untimely demise. Another falsehood, although the truth is you may feel like you’re dying. I consistently work with people stopping cold turkey and have better luck than lowering  the dose over time.,  I’ve NEVER had an in-house methadone withdrawal case leave the program early…all have gone cold turkey from 60-150 mg per day…Many do this without the aid of  other mind-altering prescriptive drugs…even though I’m licensed to prescribe these drugs. There are exceptions, for those that I detox out-patient, and for those that are on other medications when they come in for treatment…I’ll cover those medications in the following paragraphs. Personally, I urge all to consider in-house Detox for methadone…especially if going cold turkey. Although in my personal experience I’ve never seen any advantage in lowering the dose over time. Especially, if one is at 45 mg or less per day.  Methadone Detox can normally be accomplished in 3-5 weeks. For information on natural methadone detox, in-patient, please visit   http://www.theriversource.org



The most important issue in treatment for withdrawal is not so much treating the disease state but treating the individual. One specific protocol designed to treat a disease is standard medicine’s answer to all disease states. This is mechanistic medicine. It does not take into account our genetic variability…we respond to treatment in different ways…not just through biochemistry, but also on the emotional and spiritual levels. For the last 4 years I’ve been using nutrition—Intravenous and oral—to rebuild and repair the biochemistry pathways in the body and mind. Over four years experience —this includes heroin, and all other street drugs, alcohol, and prescription medications--has taught me that natural detox works 100 times better than detox formulated and predicated by the use of other mind altering chemicals.  It is also important to recognize that there are many of you that were prescribed methadone for chronic pain. Yet one must recognize that the end result is the same—and therefore the remedies for withdrawal are the same.



One more important point is that emotional and spiritual supports are necessary in this journey back to health. It would be rare that a person is not stretched to the absolute limit—body, mind, and spirit--in the process of withdrawing from methadone. Those who chose to do this alone, rarely succeed. The support of family, friends, or even the 12-step programs are important adjuncts to this journey.



One final point needs to made about the use of methadone. There are those that were put on methadone for pain management. This occurs because opiates in general—while good acute therapy—are not good choices for chronic long-term pain. The body adjusts to opiate therapy by down regulating opiate receptors and the patient will eventually build a tolerance to the standard opiates like vicodin,  percocet, or oxycontin just to name a few. Methadone is the last ditch effort to control pain…unfortunately, the use of methadone usually creates more long-term health problems. The other unfortunate aspect of taking someone off methadone—those that have been using it to treat chronic pain—is what will be used to control pain in the future. There has been some movement in treating pain with anti-depressants with poor results. Furthermore, long term opiate use eventually create what is termed the opiate pain syndrome…which simply is the fact that the receptors are so down regulated that the opiate have nothing to act on…and that’s why opiate therapy doesn’t work over the long term…For many of those with chronic pain, choices have to be made…and the withdrawal from methadone will be especially trying…but it can be done following the protocols listed below…as your body heals and the receptors are synthesized in the body your own enkephlins and endorphins (natural body opiates) will start to be interactive in pain management…this may not be enough…yet many cases of chronic pain will subside if serotonin levels in the brain can be increased—the reason for doing amino acid therapy is to increase these levels. Anti-depressants don’t increase the production of anything over the long term…in fact it is well known that in the long term they decrease levels of neurotransmitters such as serotonin. Amino acids therapies work well on most cases of fibromyalgia even though many of these patients will fall victim to the use of methadone which just creates more problems. The good news is that if a fibromyalgia patient will start the following protocols to get off methadone…these are the same basic protocols for treating Fibromyalgia…



1)      Most Methadone clinics are for profit, private enterprises, do you really think they want you off the methadone. The cost of a dose of methadone is about $1.00…what are they charging you?

2)      Since all associated therapists and counselors that work the methadone clinics are trained and get their information from the standard medical establishment…do you really think they know the truth…no one is saying that they are not caring individuals--but they don’t know the truth anymore than the people who prescribe the medication to you. If fact most of them think we’re idiots because we doubt and ask questions. The fact is that we do not know the long range effects of methadone on the human body and mind…many are now thinking that the longer you are on the methadone the more profound, and possibly irreversible these changes may be…In fact we don’t know the exact mechanism of action of many psychotropic drugs—just review the Physicians Desk Reference on Prozac…along with the countless other caustic chemicals we insist on putting in the human body.

3)      Methadone is one of the most physically dependent medications invented in the 20th century. The reason for this is a) its long half-life (24-36 hours)…b) it is a synthetic morphine, c) the diabolic symptomology associated with withdrawal and the length of the withdrawal symptoms. Methadone, like all opioids creates profound changes to gastrointestinal function… In layman’s terms this means that regardless of the food you eat--absorption of the vital nutrients is impaired. If nutrients cannot be absorbed in sufficient quantities and associated quality…all biochemical pathways in the body are affected negatively.  Chronic fatigue, sleeplessness, aches and pains, depression, anxiety, are all signs and symptoms of these deficiencies. Methadone also has profound effects on brain neurotransmitter production and function. It is also known that it creates havoc in what is called the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis…which accounts for the chronic fatigue.  And like all opiates, methadone down-regulates opiate receptors in the human body thus the long lasting aches and pains associated with withdrawal. Methadone withdrawal is particularly insidious because, left untreated; these symptoms can last literally for months. Also the longer you are on methadone the more profound these changes in body and mind function.

4)      Regardless of the level you decrease the dose before quitting…you will suffer some level of withdrawal…Frankly, I’ve never been able to discern much difference in the withdrawal intensity between 1 mg or 80 mg…it’s always difficult. The withdrawal is unique to each individual…I’ve had some come off 65 mg or more, and while uncomfortable, hardly seem to break a sweat. Others coming off low doses and be in pure agony. One must treat the individual, not the disease.



Nutritional treatment is essential in the recovery and withdrawal phase of any type of drug or alcohol dependency. To clarify nutritional treatment, consider the following statement:

The body on methadone, or any other mind altering drug or alcohol, is like the house that has been damaged in a storm. If you were repairing the house what building materials would you need? You would need lumber, sheet rock, shingles, and etc for the major supplies…these are the equivalent of the bodies need for protein, carbohydrates, and fats. How would you hold everything together?…nuts and bolts, nails, and screws—these are the equivalent of the bodies need for vitamins and minerals.  To make the repairs we need the proper tools to cut the lumber and fit it into place…one would need the saws, the equivalent of the bodies production of enzymes…these are made from the proteins we eat…one can draw analogy after analogy to explain the necessity for nutritional treatment to facilitate one back to health…only one thing needs to be clearly understood…you put back into the body the things it needs to come back to health.

Any nutritional therapy should be adhered to for at least 90 to 180 days regardless of how you feel.  Just like it takes time to alter profoundly the body’s biochemistry with drugs…it takes time to repair with proper nutrition. Oral nutrition is best but often is difficult for those in their first week of detox and recovery. Proteins, complex carbs, and essential fatty acids are necessary building blocks for repair and return of proper function of organ systems and brain neurochemistry. Vitamins and minerals are “co-factors and co-enzymes” which work on the building blocks to do repair and rebuilding. Additionally, it is always counter-productive to move from the complex to the simple…my philosophy is to start simple and move to the level of complexity that works for you…remember all patients are unique in the way they process nutrients and in their ability to maximize therapy.  For more information on these necessary supplements go to www.happydestinysupplements.com  

The following I suggest for those who wish to detox out-patient:



1)      Pharmaceuticals: Clonidine 0.1, or 0.2 mg, twice to three times per day. Clonidine is an anti-hypertensive medication that is commonly utilized in opiate withdrawal syndromes. You must come off this medicine slowly—rebound hypertension may occur…especially if you already have high blood pressure…this medication is non-addicting; Vistaril 50-100mg…three times daily…this is a sedating antihistamine which helps with anxiety and sleep…down side is that after 10 days or so it loses its therapeutic efficacy; phenergan 25 mg tab…one every 6 hours for nausea and cramps.  I may use these medications on my out/in-patient clients depending on the severity of symptoms. Imodium A/D works well for diarrhea.

2)      Intra-Venous Nutritional therapy: In patient or out-patient…typically every day for the first 5-6 days, than every other day until the symptomology has subsided. These nutrient bags can contain proteins, vitamins, electrolytes, and other elements necessary for the body-mind to heal. The advantage of IV therapy is that all essential cofactors bypass compromised gut function. Only when the healing occurs will the symptoms of withdrawal disappear totally. Diarrhea is uncommon in those that receive IV nutrient therapy…but for those not so fortunate, Imodium A-D seems to work well in most. If your are a medical professional and wish I.V. treatment protocols contact me at ***@****

3)      Oral nutrition: Increase the right proteins!!!! Proteins are the building blocks for neurotransmitters and neurotransmitter receptors…as well as the building blocks for your natural opiate receptors

·        For 3 weeks you must remove all red meats from your diet. Red meat has chemical components that increase inflammation and pain. Fish, chicken, eggs are good sources of protein. If you are having a hard time taking in solid foods go to a health food store and buy protein powders that can be made into smoothies or drinks. You absolutely must have increased protein intake…proteins are the building blocks for all enzymes, neurotransmitters, and enzyme receptors in the body. No chemical works in the body without receptors. Just like opioids have to have opioid receptors—which are down regulated during methadone use—this is the reason people have long-lasting pain and aggravation coming off methadone…this isn’t much of a problem with heroin use because of it’s short half-life…proteins are essential for the repair work in recovery…I now use a formulation made by Neuroresearch…their Neuroreplete/D-5 protein formulas works well for those coming off of methadone, methamphetamines and benzodiazepines or any drug for that matter…for more information on this product go to www.neuroresearch.com or www.neuroreplete.com and try to find a doctor close to you that will help you get his product…in fact I treat all my methadone withdrawal patients with this formula

·        L-Methionine—a sulfur bearing amino acid…necessary for the production of S-Adenosyl-methionine (SAM-e)…SAM-e is a necessary cofactor in the production of the master neurotransmitters—serotonin, dopamine, adrenalin, and nor-adrenalin…this must be added to any amino acid therapy directed at rebuilding neurotransmitter production and function…500 mg—two twice per day

·        Increase your intake of raw fruits and vegetables…you get little or nothing from canned foods…fresh fruits and veges are loaded with fiber which help bind and remove toxins from your body…they also normalize gut function

·        Stay off candy, and other sugar heavy foods

·        Drink lots of good water, green teas are good for the antioxidants and anti-inflammatory properties…no cokes or soda waters for three weeks

·        When capable you must start exercising…swimming is best because it is low impact exercise…yoga…tai chi…walking daily…detoxing or otherwise…exercise is a normal component of good health

Supplements: Some need less and some more…remember the efficacy of all nutrition and supplement use is ultimately guided by your genetics…and we are all different to some degree…This is the value of seeing a good Naturopathic physician in the state you are in…The fact is that very few Medical Doctors know anything about nutrition…70%-75% of the standard medical schools in this country have absolutely no nutritional classes what-so-ever…in the other 25 %--nutrition is often a 14-20 hour block of education and this is commonly an elective…Naturopathic physicians that are educated in a medical school environment are taught nutrition extensively with the associated biochemistry.

·        I use the following with all types of drug and alcohol recovery….

·        Multivitamin with a strong mineral component: in gel caps only…an excellent quality multivitamin is absolutely necessary…remember that vitamins and minerals are cofactors/coenzymes for repair, healing, and normal function of the body…most times I have patients double up on multivitamins for the first 3-4 weeks

·        Mineral complex: see above

·        Fish oils, or flax seed oil.: necessary for repair and proper function of cellular membranes…anti-inflammatory…these need to be mixed omega 3, omega 6, omega 9 oils—4000 to 6000 mg per day in split doses…although some can be purchased as liguids and mixed with your smoothies.

·        If you don’t do the drinks…get proteins as free amino acids…double up

·        L-Glutamine 500mg caps…at least 2000-3000 mg per day…split the dose so that your doing it at least twice per day…helps heal the gut and the building block for GABA…the primary inhibitory neurotransmitter…helps slow things down…Do not take GABA as a supplement…GABA is make in the brain…when out side the brain the molecule is to large to cross the blood brain barrier…the building block for GABA is L-Glutamine or Glutamic acid…these building blocks readily cross the blood brain barrier.

·         Valarian Root 450 mg: Botanical that reduces anxiety and helps one to sleep…Kava, Jamaican Dog Wood, Lemon Balm, Avena are all nervine botanicals which can be used together or by self…I find the doses for each individual varies but typically 1000 to 1500 mg every 4 hours.

·        Melatonin…dosages vary…this is a hormone released from the pinal gland in the human body at night time for sleep…this is essential for those coming off opioids…in my experience as little as 1 mg to 30 mg has been effective…do what you have  to do…I’ve had addicts coming off $100.00 a day habits sleep 4 hours the first night…start low and add 3-5 mg every half-hour till sleep…research on healthy volunteers using up to 100 mg of melatonin in a single dose shows little side effects…Melatonin is also known as a very strong antioxidant with 1000 times the potency as Vit E…Take only at night when you would be going to bed at the regular time…the room must be dark…that’s the way this hormone is released in the natural state…

·        Full Spectrum antioxidants: relieves inflammation and helps normalize inflammatory pathways and reduces damaging molecules (free radicals) present in the system while detoxing

·        Vitamin C: 2000-3000 mg per day divided doses…

·        Reduced L-Glutathione 300mg per day: Helps liver detox metabolites of methadone…Detoxing agents can be found in many products…most in combinations…

·        Adrenal Support: Research has shown that methadone, and drug use in general, has profound effects on the adrenal glands. In fact, research shows that there is a profound negative effect by methadone on the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. This is why those that withdraw from methadone have protracted fatigue and problems with anxiety and insomnia. I often use freeze dried adrenal extracts in treatment with fairly good results. You’ll find these products listed under names such as Adrenal Plus, or Adrenplus…the starting dose is around 1000 mg per day in split doses.

·        Milk Thistle with alpha-Lipoic Acid is one combination that I use extensively---for liver repair and detoxification…1200 to 1500 mg of milk thistle and 400 mg of lipoic acid per day in split doses

This is the basics. There is absolutely no way to eliminate all the problems associated with withdrawal from methadone...one must have a supportive environment and often with daily visits from a compassionate health care provider…This will not kill you…it will be a miserable event…what kills most is the movement back to street drugs to ward off the side effects of withdrawal. If fact, cold turkey deaths coming off opioids and methadone are rare and usually associated with other health problems, or overdosing on prescription medications…withdrawal from methadone is much less of a risk than total withdrawal from alcohol. I wish you all luck on this endeavor…My compassion and empathy goes out to you…Ultimately, I know that you can do this…after all…it has to be done.


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by sadinmichigan, Jul 03, 2008 02:13PM
Jesse..this helped me alot when i went through w/d..I didn't have med-help then..I hope it can help you..

by WorriedScared11, Jul 03, 2008 02:21PM
I dont know what coming off of methadone feels like, but if its anything like oxy.....its hell. Jesse you have some really good ideas. Thank you!

by kim715, Jul 03, 2008 03:16PM
WOW Lisa this is extraordinary.Who is this Doctor,I want to send him a HUGE  thankyou basket.LOL This is going to help so many people here ,especially right now,lots of people struggling with methodone.I know what methodone detox is like unfortunately,because I've been there,but now I have so much more understanding of what was going on with my body.This really educated me and now it will help me to educate others.Thankyou so much for sharing that.Much love xoxo.....           Kim

by sadinmichigan, Jul 03, 2008 05:05PM
There is soooo much good info..I wish i would have thought to put this on sooner..I am looking for some more info on opiate pain syndrome too...

by got2bfree, Jul 03, 2008 06:27PM
Hi Lisa

Wow did you type all that.....it was great what I read.....my brain feels fried though from all the info I have been reading this last week since coming here...I don't think it has been a weel....WEll I'm starting to get a better feel for suboxone, and how much I should take, and for how long....I think the 48 hr wait I can safely reduce to 36....since I'm on a time release morphine 12 that is 3 times longer than the short acting one....so 3 x's longer the wait.....

I'm so disappointed though.... I was suppose to start my suboxone today, but my docs assist called and told me it wasnt' covered my by provincial drug coverage.....and the reason is is taht it is so new to Canada that it hasn't even made it to the list of drugs up for reveiw to see if they will cover it....I'm so broke and thought I just can't afford to charge anything....I have my hosue for sale, and it was so close to being sold and then fell through....that enemy I can't believe how he can still muck in my life.....the first time I've been away in  a few yersamd I get an offer...I was in Ontario, my daughter jsut had a baby  I w as out htere taking care of her and i get an offer...I find the morphine creates in me a unique way of putting things off....meanig  the combo of visiting my daughter and new grandson, had my first priority while there, even though I know I have to sell my house.   I wasn't giving this offer my full attention....it was a bit low too, but really iwth everythig combined selling this hosue would have freed me up so much so I could get the help I need...My plan was to get it sold....pack up, sell alot....buy a smaller place, one that is easy to look after, pay my debts, as I feel a horrible steward of Gods money right now, ....and I was going to do the switch to suboxone and then go south to Cuba for a few month.....just walk the beaches, and rest....and then in mid Sept go to Ontario and live iwth my daughter to watch the baby as so she can finish teacher college....I stil can't believe it that the one and only offer I get I'm in Ontario.......

I really know how drugs can mess ones life up as i was straight most of my life, so now being an addict  just drives it home more ...I just do...since I got addicted to the pain killers my life went downhill, no secret that one, and that meant my finances too, so I have debts piling up, and I'm at a point where I can't add one more thing a month.. but .....the Holy Spirit is working on me too.....just do it...just do it....no matter the cost, my life is more important.....and my wee grandson....He needs a functioning Grandma.  

I'm scared too....I know i read all the good stories of how sub worked for so many people....to get them through the w/d.......I went through one w/d when I first got addicted t Dilaudid following a knee injury and surgery...  it was so awful the w/d...but I was put on so many ohter drugs I think that is what did it for me, made me so sick....like your article says.....no meds with w/d are best....I think that is true if all the other situations are right, but I live alone and in the country and I jsut get too scared...I also think as you get older it's ahrder...the body doesn't bounce back...

So I could use some Christian help.....someone who know Jesus is hte answer....you see I also found being on this morphine I can't connect with the Holy Spirit like I use to....I got so scared through this whole thing...I'm nt the tough sort of woman that some are....I have to make up my mind......I can do htis Monday I think if the Ladies who were going to drive me Today could drive me Monday.....that is if my doctor is working Monday....I shuld do it soon or he could be going on vacation and that would make it longer....I've got to really put my mind to this and do it.....

so you w/d cold turkey right.....I'm still confused over people here....

well Imust run
take care and God Bless
Deb

by sadinmichigan, Jul 03, 2008 06:57PM
Thanks for taking the time to read this..i know there is alot of info in there..lol..You will be in my prayers..I hope everything works out..
and yes i went cold turkey..thats the only way I can do anything..quitting smoking,pills,and methadone..

by dominosarah, Jul 03, 2008 07:28PM
This may sound totally messed up but you know they took the Looney tunes cartoons off tv...too violent i guess but they can leave methadone clinics open???  WTF!!!!  This stuff is just barbaric and should not be allowed at all.  I dont understand.  Great post my friend!!!!              sara

by sadinmichigan, Jul 03, 2008 08:19PM
While there are related deaths during w/d (I found the one about the 2 inmates that dies from w/d)..there are many more deaths related to the use and overdose of methadone. I believe it to be a nasty drug whichever way, but once your on it..your on.so..what do you do? you have to wean down I suppose but there still is w/d..even as little as 5 mg..and they are different for everyone..I am curious to know though..what exactly about the w/d kill these people? When i was going through w/d from hydros..i felt terrible of course and had a very rapid heartbeat..probably a spike in my bloodpressure.

LOL I like the cocncrete analogy..

by Savas, Jul 03, 2008 10:31PM
Well yes, that's likely true. The problem is deaths from withdrawals aren't really documented so we don't actually know how many their are.
With methadone the serious withdrawals last about two weeks, which is a long time for your body to be under such serious stress. Even with regular opiate withdrawals the stress can be to much depending on the health of the person. A lot does depend on the health of the person and most addicts aren't that healthy to start with.

Heart failure from blood pressure issues caused by withdrawals and seizure/stroke are likely two of the most common ways to die. Underlying conditions like diabetes can be exacerbated, throwing a clot from strain on the body...  

Basically, if you take a person who under normal circumstances wouldn't die and allow them to go through severe withdrawals without relief, the consequences can be dire.

Which is not to say a person can't detox in a responsible fashion. It's just that there's no real treatment right now to allow for it (offered by doctors commonly). As you've noticed, the whole addiction board here is dedicated to providing information that WE shouldn't have to seek out ourselves, it should be common practice offered by doctors. Yet it isn't.

Basically, you have to be aware of the risks when you detox, and prepare accordingly. Some folks can go through a two week detox and survive, some can't. But you don't know if you're going to have a serious medical emergency until it's too late.

Heck, I remember one time I went to an emergency room for aid with regular opiate detox when I was in full withdrawals and they turned me away, said "it wouldn't kill me." I basically crawled outside after a security guard "showed me to the door",  staggered up the block and collapsed after vomiting up a pool of blood.

I'd been throwing up non stop for twelve hours and  apparently something just "gave out". They pulled me back inside and sent me up to ICU...and the doctor who tossed me out acted like i planned the whole thing as a way to be difficult and "trick my way into the hospital."
I was told later I would have likely bled out internally if they hadn't treated me immediately (btw, they said afterwards I'd "left against medical advice", a lie to protect themselves).

by sadinmichigan, Jul 03, 2008 10:39PM
omg!! that is ridiculous and makes me so mad..you actually have to be vomiting blood??? the whole thing just frustrates the hell out of me..when I was in the methadone clinic..they were well aware that I had a xanax rx..they didn't really know if I was taking as much hydro as I said  etc..they didn't check heart rates or blood pressure..grrrrrrr..and I have read that just taking xanax and methadone together could kill you..I was on about 5 mg at that time..
I seriously did feel like i was going to die and when i didn't everyday...i was amazed...and pissed..lol..It is alot on your body to handle..there can't possibly be a "safe" drug anywhere..
I'm glad the hospital took you in finally..geeeeeeez..that is disgusting..

by Savas, Jul 03, 2008 11:22PM
Yeah, I spent some time bouncing in and out of detox's and E.R.'s before I realized they don't really help you. The E.R.'s can be a nightmare. there was another time they put an I.V. in and left me alone in a room...only they did something wrong so the I.V. was running backwards. I started yelling for help, but being an addict they ignored me. I passed out after about twenty minutes from blood loss. That earned me yet another trip to the I.C.U. :)
I've got enough nightmare stories to write a book, but it wouldn't make good reading.

I did get a rare occassional doctor who was great. I had one at an E.R. who stayed on into the next shift treating me. He'd been fighting with the attending over discharging me to make space "for patients who deserve treatment." and refused to leave until he was sure I was admitted upstairs.

Which was great, but the problem is unless they're going to deal with long term treatment past a few days, the most they can really do is stabilize you and then let you go. It wasn't until I realized that was the best I was going to get from these places and had to find a better way.

Those two are a deadly mix. I always feel bad for the people hooked on xanax. From what i've seen tapering and just suffering through it is the only way to go. I'm not sure what else there is you can do with xanax to help make it better.

Hey, shouldn't we both be in bed?!?! :)

by sadinmichigan, Jul 03, 2008 11:37PM
lol..we probably should be..but what the hell..we gotta live a little....I am wide awake as usual..too much coffee..

I agree that xanax is a wicked little pill too..I did finally wean off them totally..I was up to @6mg/dy and just went real slow..I once flushed a whole bottle because I thought I was done with them..yeah.....and was in the E.R. the next day,unable to breath and it felt like someone was strangeling me.It was awful..I didn't even think it was the xanax until a few hours later I mentioned to the attending Dr. what I had done..they instantly gave me ativan and I was fine..the Dr. looked at me ans said.....you my dear, are addicted to xanax..(no kidding doc)..but I really didn't know until that happened....I like the info that comes with the rx.."this medication MAY be habit forming"..what a joke....

by BoboR, Jul 04, 2008 08:39AM
Great info. Thanks joann1975. After reading about the nutritional info, I now think I know why I've been craving things such as chicken, rice, pasta, etc. I'm getting as much exercise as tolerable, and taking the occasional B-12 shot. I'm having to force myself to eat, tho, even with the cravings. I've lost about 10-15 lbs. I did not need to lose since I began my taper. Something dawned on me after reading above about foregoing red meat. I *do* feel worse when I eat beef. Thinking now, I need to give in to those baked chicken and rice cravings. Thanks again!

by sadinmichigan, Jul 04, 2008 01:29PM
ohhhhhh yeahhh..thats sounds great..and really far away!! LOL..I can handle the cold..after all I am a yankee...hahaha..I hear that Iceland has the most beautiful people..hmmmm I wonder if thats true..

by dominosarah, Jul 04, 2008 01:31PM
silly girl..........thats Minnesota!!!!!!!! LOL

by sadinmichigan, Jul 10, 2008 06:16AM
I hope you can get some good info jesse james...you can do this.

by burton1, Jul 12, 2008 09:57AM
I am so happy that you have each other for support.  It is amazing that there is a place you can go to, spill your guts and still feel like no one is judging.  You are fantastic people and caregivers.  I have 4 nieces all going through methadone clinic for addictions to oxys as well as their mom.  It is sad to watch as they do this as a family bonding moment, they go tanning after the clinic.  One of them has been doing this for 5 years.  Their story is one for Dr. Phil.  They are all prescribed Xanax three times a day, along with muscle relaxers.  I can't believe one of them is not dead yet.  I believe they (the nieces) were lured into this abyss by their mother.  
They will not seek support outside of her control.

by sadinmichigan, Jul 12, 2008 11:22AM
Oh wow..I am so sorry..that is awful...Are they tapering down or even wanting to quit..methadone is one of the hardest drugs to come off of..but it's not impossible..it's always so sad for me to see how many people are allowed to take methadone to get off pain meds..there is always the extreme exception. The other sad thing is many dr.s,pharmacists,methadone clinics (especially imo) do NOT tell people the truth about this drug..and they could hardly know unless they have experienced it,except you would think they would listen to what people have to go through..it makes me so mad. It is not a wise idea to be taking xanax on it either.
Thankyou for reading and responding..I am very glad I have found this site and have met some of the most caring people. and have developed friendships..Take care..~Lisa

by sadinmichigan, Aug 01, 2008 02:14PM
I want anyone who reads this to know that YOU CAN get off methadone!! Yes it is hard but it is worth it!

I NOW HAVE 2 YEARS TODAY OFF THAT MESS!!!!

Please don't let the fear keep you!! Make a decision.AND JUST DO IT!!!

My heart truly goes out to anyone that has had to do this or needs to still!!! YOU CAN DO IT!!

by rhino21, Aug 07, 2008 03:05AM
I'm pleased to hear all the positive things tommorrows a month I think all flows together.every moring I go look at my canvases;I know soon I can get back to it.right now it makes me I'll.I also write;but not at the moment ;it drives me nuts.
Rhino21

by sadinmichigan, Aug 07, 2008 03:45AM
Rhino- congratulations on a month..that is great..You will feel better and better..I hope that you are able to get some sleep now and that the rls has let up..hang in there and thanks for writing..I hope you found this info to be helpful...

by Marebears, Aug 18, 2008 07:10AM
THANK U DOC,  METHADONE SAVED MY LIFE, MY CHILDREN, MY UNBORN FROM BEING TAKEN AWAY AND MY RELATION W/ MY HUSBAND. ITS A LONG STORY BUT KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THAT ITS A TEMP. SOLUTION TO WHAT IS OR COULD BE A PERM. PROBLEM. GET ON METHADONE THAN GET YOU LIFE TOGETHER,  GET YOUR MENTAL HEALTH AND PHSY HEALTH TOGETHER, GET IN TO RELAPSE PREVENTION GROUPS, THAN DETOX SLOWLY (DOING IT SLOW 6 MONTHS BEATS RELAPSING OR BEING ON DOPE 4 THE REST OF LIFE OR EVEN A YEAR). THATS WHAT I AM DOING! I HAVE LEARNED MY TRIGGER IS STRESS! THATS A HARD ONE TO OVER COME BUT W/ THE HELP OF EVERYONE AROUND ME AND MY HARD DRIVE TO SUCCESSFULLY HAVE A NORMAL LIFE I CAN AND WILL DO IT. ITS A WAY OUT INSTEAD OF BEING SICK, COLD TURKEY, OR LOSING YOUR LIFE! AND YOUR RIGHT, IF ITS 1 OR 100 MG YOUR TAKING IT WILL STILL HURT. STOPPING MY BI-POLAR MED.'S HURT TO. BUT ITS YOUR LIFE AND CHOOSE YOUR PATH WISELY!!!!!!

by Naii, Aug 19, 2008 03:21AM
I have been off methadone for 5 months now after two years on methadone and the previous 5 years on heroin, and am still suffering with aching limbs and restlessness and it is getting me down. Other than that i feel much better in myself I just find that i cant sit still for very long before the aches come back and i have to get up and do something again to try to stop the aching temporarily. I am 4 months pregnant as well now so it is a little hard to know what to do and the doctor keeps saying to just put up with it and that there is nothing i can do and completely dismisses the fact that i didnt eat properly at all for the 7 years i was on heroin then methadone. After reading the above article i can only presume the way i feel is because of a nutritional deficiancy but being pregnant that means i cannot necessarily take any supplements. I already try to eat the correct things and do exercise everyday but it doesnt seem to be helping. Does anyone have any suggestions?

by Ra1963, Aug 27, 2008 11:05PM
Thank you for putting this info here! Intense, I guess anyone who has to go through this hell of getting off of this drug/medication is in for a lot of pain, but there sounds like light at the end of the tunnel.