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Anyone taking Pain meds needs to read this!

Jul 13, 2008 12:12PM - 13 comments

Although this happened 2 years ago, I hope everyone takes a few minutes to read this article as I think its important. Not only is it the government that keeps a close eye on our DR's and our DR's who keep a close eye on us, the law also depends on our pharmasists to alert them when they think there could be a problem.
Right or wrong, we should all just know who's in the loop in regard to regulation.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/cruel-and-unusual-25-yea_b_35781.html

TMA



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by sandee1818, Jul 13, 2008 01:07PM
He was recently given a full pardon and released from prison.
I will find the article to post.

by sandee1818, Jul 13, 2008 01:08PM
http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/paey-r/paey-r.html

by triedeverymed, Jul 13, 2008 01:11PM
You are right and I think ther is a system being proposed that all pharmacies' computers be tied together so that a person's pharmacy records could be followed from a national database like our medical records are in.
This way if a person is doctor shopping and filling RX's at different pharmacies from different doctors the pharmacy will be able to see that in the new proposed system. I have no idea if this legislation will pass but I think it would be a good idea because it would prevent errors from interactions when a person has more than one doctor prescribing medication to them.
I believe the system isn't to "catch" people who doc shop but to tie all pharmacies together under one computer system. I believe this is going to happen within the next 2 years. The DEA is already trying to computerize the writing of controlled substances to avoid prescribing and filling errors.

by Mollyrae, Jul 13, 2008 02:07PM
These kind of stories really scare me. Sometimes I fear that I will lose my Dr. and will not only have to face uncontrollable pain but w/d's as well. I am scared for the fact that I am addicted to these meds because of the need to take them and have been on them for a long time. If I lost my Dr. because of storys like this it would be horrifying!!!!!!!!!! The Government needs to ease up some and give more leeway and at the same time needs to stay on top of the corruption involving opiates. It's kind of a catch 22.    SCARY..............

by jessejames31, Jul 13, 2008 02:11PM
i've been saying for the last few years why they didn't have one system to recognize everyone filling prescriptions, similar to credit reports..  there so concerned with doctor hunting, this would eliminate that..  if you get a thousand dollar loan from one bank and then go to a bank across the street to apply for another, they know you just got one..
should be the same for medication..  just my opinion..    -jesse james-

by Tuckamore, Jul 13, 2008 02:29PM
I agree with you all. And who knows what any of us would be forced to do it no one would treat our pain. I too am afraid I will lose my doc and be faced with the severity of this painful (the word pain never seems to cover the totality of what I feel) syndrome without medication, face w/d and all that goes with it. I don't think I could do it....... No, I know I couldn't do it.  I honestly think I would choose to end my life. Tuck

by lady67, Jul 13, 2008 02:34PM
I agree with you Jesse

They are doing this if you have insurance.  It follows up with all your scripts and where and when they were filled.  Even as an addict, I think this would be a good solution assisting in the problem of addiction.  I think it is a good way to keep in check.  I know it won't do anything with the people getting their pills on the street, but it might slow down the way in which the dealers obtain there stash, thus putting a dent in the problems of addiction.

What happened to this unfortunate man is that his doctor didn't have the stones to stand up and say "Yes" I prescribed them because he needs them.  He just covered his own butt.  That is what is really sad about the whole thing.
Susan

by Toomanyadvil, Jul 13, 2008 08:42PM
I agree with all. While I'm always afraid to end up back in bed with my TV for company, I also think that there does need to be programs like the PMP put in place so that they can try to get control of DR shopping and filling different scripts at different pharmacies. Maybe just a little balance somehow . Of course there lies the problem, how do you fight one problem while easing up on what they see as another. As far as I can see it, to the government our DR's are part of the problem. So easing up on them in the gov. eyes is like letting a dealer walk the street free and clear.
I guess I'm middle of the road and see both sides. Knowing I'm terrified to ever be in a situation like this but know the only defense we have against being accused by any authority  including our DR's is to say, I dont have an addictions problem, I follow all the rules.
The gov response... Prove it.

by sadie1246, Jul 13, 2008 09:20PM
What i wrote the first time somehow fell off,   the government has no business in my scripts.  I take pain meds for my pain as I have MD and MS do they?   I have heart trouble and crippling arthritis do they?  Hell, half of the government take meds that are purchased off of the streets.  If you have pain take it you can get addictive to caffeine and cigarettes.  

Some are ruining it for those who need them.  You can buy them off of the elderly who get them to sell for extra money.  Do you want chips in your children to monitor their every move.  I don't thing so.  Pills are like guns if you want them bad enough you can get them...

You can order them online with no script I don't I get mine from a doctor I get follow up blood work but people who try to ruin it for those who need them have no right to say anything.

They ought to legalize pot, no i don't use it but a lot of people do for the pain.  Grow up, you can get them without our good old government getting into it.

Your cell phone will be tapped next which by the way is already done this country is going too far.  They our tying the doctors hands.  Get mad I am already mad as hell.

by sadie1246, Jul 13, 2008 09:21PM
I get mine from a doctor I made a typo.  

by Toomanyadvil, Jul 14, 2008 01:07AM

I know we all worry about it in one way or another and get angry at how hard it is for people to get the treatment they need. Some people still go wothout medications they need because there is no way to prove pain. Having an invisable symptom thats usually the worst symptom of them all leaving us unable to prove were feeling what were feeling. That leaves the interpretation of Chronic Pain wide open. And its certainly one of those things in life that is truely unfair. In a world where our animals and pets would never be left to suffer and someone would be put in jail for doing just that(and rightfully so, ten times over), pain management needs to change for the better.
I think everyone can agree that no one should have to suffer in pain or with any symptoms of disease or illness if there is something available to improve it stop it.
But I think many of us would also agree that without being able to stop people from getting scripts for the wrong reasons, that its extreamly hard to change the perspective of the legal system and society.

I think thats why the PMP system is heading in the right direction. It leaves little room for assumtion because it deals with black and white facts. Some one has either gone to mutiple DR's at the same time for scripts or they havent. They have either filled numerous scripts for the same type of medication at different pharmacies or they havent.
Granted it regulates the DR's too and that is a big problem because in my opinion it should be up to the DR's as to the dose they feel is appropriate for a patient. But maybe once all these systems are set into action regulations directly on the DR will loosen. I realize thats a pretty big maybe.

Everything always seems like a double edged sword.
Thats why I always think that everyone who wants to write to there elected officials to try and get them working for us and helping us with this problem does. We all need them to loosen up the tight regulations on our DR's and stop making the patients actions the DR's responsibility.

Just like all of us want to do all we can to make sure we dont end up losing our pain treatment we all should try to do all we can to help our DR's stay protected also. Afterall, they are the ones risking so much to treat us. Every script that leaves there office is a risk to there liscense. And the ones that havent jumped ship yet really do care.
Even if it seems like they dont because of there fear of being persecuted and having there liscense taken away.

Even those who have realized they have a substance abuse problem and have worked so hard to get clean. The pain unfortunitly doesnt just go away with staying clean or working a program. And there are so many medications that are available to help treat pain in a non-narcotic way. PM DR's are the only ones who have specialized in treating pain without narcotics. Many DR's wouldnt always think to use certain meds and they certainly wouldnt all use spinal injections to help.
All of us suffering in pain need DR's who specialize in treating it. Just like those with a broken bone, autoimmune conditions and heart problems and list goes on, need a DR who specializes in them.

The bottom line of it all is that the gov. is shutting down truely needed medical care in the US. PM's dont only prescribe narcotics. Yes they specialize in them. But shouldnt that be a good thing? Shouldnt they want a DR who knows more about how to safetly use them than anyone else?
Unless they plan on making it illegal to manufacture these types of medicines they need to alow the people who specialize in them to do the job they studied and worked so hard to do.

This whole subject is open up to so many different opinions and interpretations and of course everyone has had different experiences with pain management and narcotic medication.
But I think we all agree that no human being should be left to suffer.


by toby14, Jul 31, 2008 02:40PM
i heard that they were going to start tying the pharmacies in together by September1, don't know how true this is, does anyone know the update,?

by Toomanyadvil, Jul 31, 2008 08:40PM
I havent heard that but if it is true thats good to know.
I'll do a little checking around and see what I can find...
Thanks for the info!!

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