Cold Turkey Day 25; Tramadol *kicks Tramadol* *kicks it again*
Jul 14, 2008 02:59PM
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Cold Turkey Day 25 Tramadol
Recap; Days 22, 23 and 24 filled with random intestinal pain. Not loose bowels, nothing freaky happening with bowels, just straight up, fold yourself in two intestinal pain. Each day, it lessened. I think day 17 and Day 18 I had that as well. Opiate Receptors in the Gut my friends. You know where fear is stored in the body? IN THE GUT.
Today; Day 25; I was supposed to get up out of bed today and go do, "An Important Thing." I was supposed to be at "The Important Thing," at 7 am. Instead, I woke up in terrible back breaking pain at 4:30 am, after thrashing around, again, all covered in Sick Sweat, I managed to get some fresh Ice packs as the ones I had fallen asleep on had become Hot packs. I took some Excedrin PM, I put a B-12 tab under my tongue and I waited for it all to, "kick-in." It did and when the alarm went off; there was no way I could get up. My body would NOT move. It just lay there, filled with pain.
(as a quick aside, B-12 used to make me jittery, now it makes me feel like the bubble of unreality surrounding me has POPPED! I am never without the B-12 sublinguals now)
I had to ask myself. What is more important? Because the ONLY way I would have made it to "The Important THING," is if I had been DRUGGED. Probably with a Tramadol. The thought was so abhorrent that I wrote a quick email saying I was in pain, and went back to sleep.
My DH was not happy with me. It's Day 25. Shouldn't I be ok by now? Don't people on hard drugs get off easier? Don't know. Only know what is happening to me. Only know that I get people making comments on my journal who are in Tramadol withdrawal, saying things like, "I want to crawl into a hole and die."
Yeah. We're gonna need a bigger hole cause there's alotttttta people out there on Tramadol who have no idea what it is really up to in their body.
The people at the "Important Thing," won't be happy with me.
Guess who the ONLY person is who is happy in the equation? Me. Me; NOT ON TRAMADOL! That's who!! At the moment as long as it takes to stabilize, getting off these drugs is most important. Nothing else is more important. Nothing. This has to take the number one position. Yesterday again, I had to detangle my hair from night sweats. It takes about an hour, a wide toothed comb and a bunch of bio silk oil. It's sort of a visual representation of what the drug did to my insides, I look in the mirror and I think; Oh no. I look like Amy Winehouse. That's probably not good.
Right now I am OK. I fell asleep early enough. What I didn't calculate was the last three days. The last three days have been filled with intense stomach pain. A kick to gut, a thousand razor blades slicing up my intestine. I'm bloated, and then I am not. The pain appears, and then vanishes. It is the opiate receptors in the GUT demanding their usual DOSE. It's nothing but that. See me; Googling "Opiate Receptors in the Intestine." Yes yes. The pain was coming from withdrawal. No pattern except one pattern.
I know that pattern. It's called, "Tramadol; the Drug that will do ANYTHING to make you take it again." See, Tramadol isn't and never was my DOC. Tramadol isn't a pleasure trip, it's more like it took the edge off the pain. But yes, it intensifies pain. Eventually it intensifies pain. In one year. It will cause neuropathy. Imagine what it will do in say 4 years ... maybe five? How about 7 years?
Did 'ya' Good Ole Doc tell ya That one!? Betcha he didn't!!
How?
http://www.crazymeds.us/ultram.html
Ultram (tramadol). Mouse is currently taking Ultram to deal with the pain of fibromyalgia. It is also the only antidepressant that works for her that she has recently tried. Unfortunately one shouldn't take Ultram for longer than a year, because sometimes neuropathy may develop, and Mouse has been taking it for two years and she has developed neuropathy. You'd think that because Ultram binds to mc-opioid receptors and does weak inhibition of reuptake of norepinephrine and serotonin that there'd be studies up the wazoo for depression. But nooooooooo. Only now are studies in humans being undertaken as far as we can find. Ultram is also an opioid antagonist, but not as strong of one as Buprenex, so it has a nasty physical dependency. All the antagonism does is prevent you from getting high off of it. Normally Mouse goes batshit crazy with anything that messes with her serotonin, but she can tolerate Ultram, so it must not be hitting her serotonin receptors at all. Because it hits the opiate receptors, Ultram's side effects are those common to opiates, mainly nausea, sedation, dizziness, constipation and sweating. As it is totally synthetic, it does have freaky rare side effects, it can make you go deaf or mimic the effects of flesh-eating bacteria. Like Buprenex the antidepressant hypothesis is an old one, opiates have been used to treat depression since forever. As Mouse is taking it for pain, she's following the pain schedule, which is 50mg to 100mg every four to six hours, not to exceed 400 mg per day.
Let's read that again together; shall we??
"Unfortunately one shouldn't take Ultram for longer than a year, because sometimes neuropathy may develop"
I read that and started SCREAMING!
Then I read, "As it is totally synthetic, it does have freaky rare side effects, it can make you go deaf or mimic the effects of flesh-eating bacteria."
Great. Just what I need. Neuropathy, deafness and a nice case of faux-flesh eating bacterium. Fab! HOOK ME UP! NOT!
Because Ultram (which contains tylenol) and Tramadol (a generic for ultram minus the tylenol) is completely man made freak opiate, it does not show in a urine test that you are on an opiate. BUT YOU ARE. And you're on a nastier one than the others. At least the others have the decency of showing up on a drug test and aren't MIXED with some freakish anti-depressant.
Am I angry? OF COURSE I AM! This drug was reclassified as a dangerous narcotic in Sweden in May of 2008. We're over here handing it out like candy. And why? Profit? Docs in the USA rightfully fearful of the DEA taking them out of their clinics in Shackles and handcuffs because they are "Over prescribing opiates or narcotics for chronic pain patients?"
Right now? The back pain is mild, very mild. The neuropathy meaning the sciatica, is also mild. I can remember a time when I was taking Tramadol when I would ask people, "Can you RIP MY LEG OFF? CAUSE it freakin' hurts!" LOL. Yeah. Luckily no one did. If I had known it was coming FROM the Tramadol ...
But I didn't. And now I do.
As to the side effects, they look alot like what you go thru during withdrawal.
"Because it hits the opiate receptors, Ultram's side effects are those common to opiates, mainly nausea, sedation, dizziness, constipation and sweating."
Diarrhea was constant thru my taper and thru the first 1-7 days of cold turkey. Not enough to make me wanna run out and buy Imodium AD. UNTIL I read that the Imodium AD helps the intestine w/d's in other ways. Which it does, but not for very long. I got about 30 minutes of relief from 4 tablets. So ... if you need a breather from the stomach HELLO we're you're opiate receptors in your Intestine which is miles and miles long and we want to MAKE you take Tramadol by overwhelming you with Horrifying pain ....
FEAR NO EVIL.
Get mad as H-E-Double toothpicks.
Hopefully some of youse guys will find this journal BEFORE you start a Tramadol taper and you'll get your house all set up for the optimum results. I find that Vitamins dissolved in my water are fine. Vitamins in capsules and pills will be causing me to vomit or have terrible stomach/intestinal pain.
The cloud clears and then descends and then clears again. I do not know how long this will go on, but I don't care. Tramadol is NOT GOING TO break me. I am going to break it!!!! I am going to rip into it like a lion.
*kicks Tramadol in the head 100 times*
Ahhhh that felt good!!
For those of you who need more reading ... I found a great thread, it is how I made it here ... that offers alot of great perspective.
And by the way; I believe that the Doctors have a responsibility to warn people about withdrawals from this nasty C.R. ... A. P. If anyone had said, "It has an anti-depressant in it," I never would have swallowed a single pill. I feel I was tricked. I feel others have been as well. I know for a FACT Tramadol will make you sick. Because I was and am a healthy young freakishly strong woman and withdrawing from this faux-opiate with a side dish of really old anti-depressant in it .... has been like pulling up a chair by the fire next to Satan himself. And I'm not even exaggerating. If anything; I'm minimizing!
Love and healing to all,
(esp Helen who spawned this entry with her question)
Emily
Recap; Days 22, 23 and 24 filled with random intestinal pain. Not loose bowels, nothing freaky happening with bowels, just straight up, fold yourself in two intestinal pain. Each day, it lessened. I think day 17 and Day 18 I had that as well. Opiate Receptors in the Gut my friends. You know where fear is stored in the body? IN THE GUT.
Today; Day 25; I was supposed to get up out of bed today and go do, "An Important Thing." I was supposed to be at "The Important Thing," at 7 am. Instead, I woke up in terrible back breaking pain at 4:30 am, after thrashing around, again, all covered in Sick Sweat, I managed to get some fresh Ice packs as the ones I had fallen asleep on had become Hot packs. I took some Excedrin PM, I put a B-12 tab under my tongue and I waited for it all to, "kick-in." It did and when the alarm went off; there was no way I could get up. My body would NOT move. It just lay there, filled with pain.
(as a quick aside, B-12 used to make me jittery, now it makes me feel like the bubble of unreality surrounding me has POPPED! I am never without the B-12 sublinguals now)
I had to ask myself. What is more important? Because the ONLY way I would have made it to "The Important THING," is if I had been DRUGGED. Probably with a Tramadol. The thought was so abhorrent that I wrote a quick email saying I was in pain, and went back to sleep.
My DH was not happy with me. It's Day 25. Shouldn't I be ok by now? Don't people on hard drugs get off easier? Don't know. Only know what is happening to me. Only know that I get people making comments on my journal who are in Tramadol withdrawal, saying things like, "I want to crawl into a hole and die."
Yeah. We're gonna need a bigger hole cause there's alotttttta people out there on Tramadol who have no idea what it is really up to in their body.
The people at the "Important Thing," won't be happy with me.
Guess who the ONLY person is who is happy in the equation? Me. Me; NOT ON TRAMADOL! That's who!! At the moment as long as it takes to stabilize, getting off these drugs is most important. Nothing else is more important. Nothing. This has to take the number one position. Yesterday again, I had to detangle my hair from night sweats. It takes about an hour, a wide toothed comb and a bunch of bio silk oil. It's sort of a visual representation of what the drug did to my insides, I look in the mirror and I think; Oh no. I look like Amy Winehouse. That's probably not good.
Right now I am OK. I fell asleep early enough. What I didn't calculate was the last three days. The last three days have been filled with intense stomach pain. A kick to gut, a thousand razor blades slicing up my intestine. I'm bloated, and then I am not. The pain appears, and then vanishes. It is the opiate receptors in the GUT demanding their usual DOSE. It's nothing but that. See me; Googling "Opiate Receptors in the Intestine." Yes yes. The pain was coming from withdrawal. No pattern except one pattern.
I know that pattern. It's called, "Tramadol; the Drug that will do ANYTHING to make you take it again." See, Tramadol isn't and never was my DOC. Tramadol isn't a pleasure trip, it's more like it took the edge off the pain. But yes, it intensifies pain. Eventually it intensifies pain. In one year. It will cause neuropathy. Imagine what it will do in say 4 years ... maybe five? How about 7 years?
Did 'ya' Good Ole Doc tell ya That one!? Betcha he didn't!!
How?
http://www.crazymeds.us/ultram.html
Ultram (tramadol). Mouse is currently taking Ultram to deal with the pain of fibromyalgia. It is also the only antidepressant that works for her that she has recently tried. Unfortunately one shouldn't take Ultram for longer than a year, because sometimes neuropathy may develop, and Mouse has been taking it for two years and she has developed neuropathy. You'd think that because Ultram binds to mc-opioid receptors and does weak inhibition of reuptake of norepinephrine and serotonin that there'd be studies up the wazoo for depression. But nooooooooo. Only now are studies in humans being undertaken as far as we can find. Ultram is also an opioid antagonist, but not as strong of one as Buprenex, so it has a nasty physical dependency. All the antagonism does is prevent you from getting high off of it. Normally Mouse goes batshit crazy with anything that messes with her serotonin, but she can tolerate Ultram, so it must not be hitting her serotonin receptors at all. Because it hits the opiate receptors, Ultram's side effects are those common to opiates, mainly nausea, sedation, dizziness, constipation and sweating. As it is totally synthetic, it does have freaky rare side effects, it can make you go deaf or mimic the effects of flesh-eating bacteria. Like Buprenex the antidepressant hypothesis is an old one, opiates have been used to treat depression since forever. As Mouse is taking it for pain, she's following the pain schedule, which is 50mg to 100mg every four to six hours, not to exceed 400 mg per day.
Let's read that again together; shall we??
"Unfortunately one shouldn't take Ultram for longer than a year, because sometimes neuropathy may develop"
I read that and started SCREAMING!
Then I read, "As it is totally synthetic, it does have freaky rare side effects, it can make you go deaf or mimic the effects of flesh-eating bacteria."
Great. Just what I need. Neuropathy, deafness and a nice case of faux-flesh eating bacterium. Fab! HOOK ME UP! NOT!
Because Ultram (which contains tylenol) and Tramadol (a generic for ultram minus the tylenol) is completely man made freak opiate, it does not show in a urine test that you are on an opiate. BUT YOU ARE. And you're on a nastier one than the others. At least the others have the decency of showing up on a drug test and aren't MIXED with some freakish anti-depressant.
Am I angry? OF COURSE I AM! This drug was reclassified as a dangerous narcotic in Sweden in May of 2008. We're over here handing it out like candy. And why? Profit? Docs in the USA rightfully fearful of the DEA taking them out of their clinics in Shackles and handcuffs because they are "Over prescribing opiates or narcotics for chronic pain patients?"
Right now? The back pain is mild, very mild. The neuropathy meaning the sciatica, is also mild. I can remember a time when I was taking Tramadol when I would ask people, "Can you RIP MY LEG OFF? CAUSE it freakin' hurts!" LOL. Yeah. Luckily no one did. If I had known it was coming FROM the Tramadol ...
But I didn't. And now I do.
As to the side effects, they look alot like what you go thru during withdrawal.
"Because it hits the opiate receptors, Ultram's side effects are those common to opiates, mainly nausea, sedation, dizziness, constipation and sweating."
Diarrhea was constant thru my taper and thru the first 1-7 days of cold turkey. Not enough to make me wanna run out and buy Imodium AD. UNTIL I read that the Imodium AD helps the intestine w/d's in other ways. Which it does, but not for very long. I got about 30 minutes of relief from 4 tablets. So ... if you need a breather from the stomach HELLO we're you're opiate receptors in your Intestine which is miles and miles long and we want to MAKE you take Tramadol by overwhelming you with Horrifying pain ....
FEAR NO EVIL.
Get mad as H-E-Double toothpicks.
Hopefully some of youse guys will find this journal BEFORE you start a Tramadol taper and you'll get your house all set up for the optimum results. I find that Vitamins dissolved in my water are fine. Vitamins in capsules and pills will be causing me to vomit or have terrible stomach/intestinal pain.
The cloud clears and then descends and then clears again. I do not know how long this will go on, but I don't care. Tramadol is NOT GOING TO break me. I am going to break it!!!! I am going to rip into it like a lion.
*kicks Tramadol in the head 100 times*
Ahhhh that felt good!!
For those of you who need more reading ... I found a great thread, it is how I made it here ... that offers alot of great perspective.
And by the way; I believe that the Doctors have a responsibility to warn people about withdrawals from this nasty C.R. ... A. P. If anyone had said, "It has an anti-depressant in it," I never would have swallowed a single pill. I feel I was tricked. I feel others have been as well. I know for a FACT Tramadol will make you sick. Because I was and am a healthy young freakishly strong woman and withdrawing from this faux-opiate with a side dish of really old anti-depressant in it .... has been like pulling up a chair by the fire next to Satan himself. And I'm not even exaggerating. If anything; I'm minimizing!
Love and healing to all,
(esp Helen who spawned this entry with her question)
Emily
This is a thread I found on 6-23-08. I was in deep withdrawal and it really comforted me. I would love to know what happened to these people.
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/addiction/messages/31764a.html
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/addiction/messages/31764a.html
You have done your homework lady - - with any luck you will help many others that can access your journal on med help - keep it up!
((((Eagle)))) You are the best! Thanks so much!
Researching this stuff really opened my eyes. And it also makes me feel stronger. Knowledge is power right? They also say knowledge helps destroy fear. It builds strength for the fight ahead. I am fortified for the fight today! Hope you are the same! My very very best to you Eagle!
Love and Healing,
Emily
Researching this stuff really opened my eyes. And it also makes me feel stronger. Knowledge is power right? They also say knowledge helps destroy fear. It builds strength for the fight ahead. I am fortified for the fight today! Hope you are the same! My very very best to you Eagle!
Love and Healing,
Emily
Following your post i looked up neuropathy and found this link http://www.neuropathy-trust.org/ there is a questionnaire on there to help diagnose the condition.
The scary thing is that the new weird pain i have been suffering for the last few weeks seems to fit.
Emily, thank you so much for your post. x
The scary thing is that the new weird pain i have been suffering for the last few weeks seems to fit.
Emily, thank you so much for your post. x
Having spent the last hour or so googling, i have to tell you that I have found nothing about tramadol CAUSING peripheral neuropathic pain, anywhere other than that 'crazymeds' site. It is mentioned as a treatment for neuropathy on a great many. It also still says on some sites that Tramadol is non addictive. But that's the joy of the WWW for you. You have to wade through all the c**p to find any good stuff. Hx
Since everyone's experience with a drug will be different, you have to take into account who is writing the text. There's a huge possibility that I may be or have become allergic to Tramadol. Understand the amount of physical pain I have JUST gone thru to get to Day 25.
I'm not looking for anyone to tell me that Tramadol is the greatest chronic pain drug since (insert strange sliced bread reference) .... I'm not looking to hear about how great Tramadol is. I've already been thru that. By more Doctors than I can count, many with incredible levels of education.
I'm 25 solid days out. And my already established neuropathy, has decreased to the point I don't notice it much these days, as opposed to the constant burning aching "please rip off my leg" I experienced on Tramadol. To me, that's enough evidence that Tramadol caused increased neuropathy. It also caused my pain level to soar up thru the roof.
Right now, my pain level is a 3. Where has it been on 8 pills of Tramadol? At a 9-10 with me rolling on the floor in agony begging DH to take me to the ER! When it hits me, which it could do at any moment it goes to about an 8. I wouldn't ask for a trip to an ER for the withdrawal symptoms now. I can handle them with OTC's. And nutrition and aminos and vitamins. And the Thomas Recipe/Detox.
I have S1 neuropathy confirmed by a nerve conduction test, which is basically needle inserted in your legs and then electric current run thru you. It's possibly the worst test I have ever had. Certainly very high in the pain scale.
CrazyMeds is written by patients and people who have taken the drugs. You won't know if they are Docs or not. Frankly, you are on the WWW, so you don't know who you are dealing with at all. Ever. But there's people there who take Tramadol. Many in combination with other drugs. It's not written with an agenda. They don't wanna sell you Tramadol. They don't wanna discourage you from taking it either. If you look further than the very small quote I pulled, you'll see plenty of people praising Tramadol.
I'm not really looking to have someone praise Tramadol. Not after going this far into withdrawing from it. No thank you. I'll take my 25 days and my vastly decreased pain scale and wait it out. If it takes another 25 days to get this poison (YES, I said POISON) out of my system, I will wait. I have more patience than anyone I know.
I'm looking for the people who came off it and have their life back. Those are really the people I am looking for. And they are hard to find. In fact, I've found only one here .... and that is the very patient AvisG.
I'm looking for side effects and Countries changing their Scheduling like Sweden did to reclassify Tramadol as a Narcotic. Can you read Swedish? ;-) Maybe they'd give you more scientific reasons behind their reclassification? After all, the Country of Sweden is not the USA. They don't mix money and public health. Which is why they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
As opposed to the USA. Where we appear to be quite happy not helping our people, and poisoning them, getting them addicted and then calling them Junkies. You're from the UK Helen, so you can't imagine how bad it is here to be trapped and sick with no health insurance. Or, maybe, you can?
Love and Healing,
Emily
I'm not looking for anyone to tell me that Tramadol is the greatest chronic pain drug since (insert strange sliced bread reference) .... I'm not looking to hear about how great Tramadol is. I've already been thru that. By more Doctors than I can count, many with incredible levels of education.
I'm 25 solid days out. And my already established neuropathy, has decreased to the point I don't notice it much these days, as opposed to the constant burning aching "please rip off my leg" I experienced on Tramadol. To me, that's enough evidence that Tramadol caused increased neuropathy. It also caused my pain level to soar up thru the roof.
Right now, my pain level is a 3. Where has it been on 8 pills of Tramadol? At a 9-10 with me rolling on the floor in agony begging DH to take me to the ER! When it hits me, which it could do at any moment it goes to about an 8. I wouldn't ask for a trip to an ER for the withdrawal symptoms now. I can handle them with OTC's. And nutrition and aminos and vitamins. And the Thomas Recipe/Detox.
I have S1 neuropathy confirmed by a nerve conduction test, which is basically needle inserted in your legs and then electric current run thru you. It's possibly the worst test I have ever had. Certainly very high in the pain scale.
CrazyMeds is written by patients and people who have taken the drugs. You won't know if they are Docs or not. Frankly, you are on the WWW, so you don't know who you are dealing with at all. Ever. But there's people there who take Tramadol. Many in combination with other drugs. It's not written with an agenda. They don't wanna sell you Tramadol. They don't wanna discourage you from taking it either. If you look further than the very small quote I pulled, you'll see plenty of people praising Tramadol.
I'm not really looking to have someone praise Tramadol. Not after going this far into withdrawing from it. No thank you. I'll take my 25 days and my vastly decreased pain scale and wait it out. If it takes another 25 days to get this poison (YES, I said POISON) out of my system, I will wait. I have more patience than anyone I know.
I'm looking for the people who came off it and have their life back. Those are really the people I am looking for. And they are hard to find. In fact, I've found only one here .... and that is the very patient AvisG.
I'm looking for side effects and Countries changing their Scheduling like Sweden did to reclassify Tramadol as a Narcotic. Can you read Swedish? ;-) Maybe they'd give you more scientific reasons behind their reclassification? After all, the Country of Sweden is not the USA. They don't mix money and public health. Which is why they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
As opposed to the USA. Where we appear to be quite happy not helping our people, and poisoning them, getting them addicted and then calling them Junkies. You're from the UK Helen, so you can't imagine how bad it is here to be trapped and sick with no health insurance. Or, maybe, you can?
Love and Healing,
Emily
Thanks for writing this journal. I found you by Googling "Tramadol." My wife had back pain and was prescribed Ultracet, which contains Tramadol. She wound up with unbearable aches in her limbs and a low grade fever that we learned (after four months) are withdrawal symptoms. Yet for months, doctors told us her pain couldn't be due to the drug and had to be something else -- even though every blood test and x-ray showed she was perfectly normal.
This journal has been a big help on her road to recovery. It really offered a good roadmap, since many of her symptoms are the same as yours. Doctors have been no help, I should add -- again. She was on the drug for three years and no one told her there could be any averse effects. They were all crying "Lupus!" "Arthritis!" "Fibromyalgia!" and other things -- even though none of her symptoms fit those diseases.
When we finally found this journal -- and some other sites -- her symptoms finally fit a pattern (we were pushed in the direction of thinking it was addicted when they sent her to a psychiatrist, diagnosing her pains as depression). She's now off Tramadol going on two weeks. The pain is abating and she has occasional nasuea. But things are progressing.
I wish you luck. You were on a higher dose then her. From what we gather, each day you get another hour or so you feel well. It hits worst in the morning. One thing is for sure: it was the drug that was causing her problems and doctors having her take the drug to get rid of those problems only made things worse. Thanks again for writing.
Tony
This journal has been a big help on her road to recovery. It really offered a good roadmap, since many of her symptoms are the same as yours. Doctors have been no help, I should add -- again. She was on the drug for three years and no one told her there could be any averse effects. They were all crying "Lupus!" "Arthritis!" "Fibromyalgia!" and other things -- even though none of her symptoms fit those diseases.
When we finally found this journal -- and some other sites -- her symptoms finally fit a pattern (we were pushed in the direction of thinking it was addicted when they sent her to a psychiatrist, diagnosing her pains as depression). She's now off Tramadol going on two weeks. The pain is abating and she has occasional nasuea. But things are progressing.
I wish you luck. You were on a higher dose then her. From what we gather, each day you get another hour or so you feel well. It hits worst in the morning. One thing is for sure: it was the drug that was causing her problems and doctors having her take the drug to get rid of those problems only made things worse. Thanks again for writing.
Tony
Hi Tony and Hi Tony's Wife; ((((hugs to you both; I know what you have suffered))))
Taking a medication that makes you sick, is not any fun at all. Esp because it was supposed to help with pain and instead increased it. Most of these Doctors are not listening at ALL when it comes to Ultram, Ultraset or Tramadol. They don't want to hear that their one "non-opiate" not s
THANK YOU! Thank you for finding me! It gives me such hope and such comfort to know that anyone who googles tramadol can find this journal. That's the idea! I truly hope MORE people find this.
My deepest deepest most heart felt sympathies to you on your Ultracet Experience.
Interesting, you know, I had completely forgotten about the low grade fever! Yes, I had a low grade fever also. While on Tramadol; I also had higher blood pressure. Despite the fact that I had lost 60 pounds, and become an athelete. And all those lifestyle changes you would think would make you better, but I was getting steadily progressive worse AND I felt like I was losing my mind.
Ridiculous!!!
I like what you wrote here, "From what we gather, each day you get another hour or so you feel well. It hits worst in the morning. One thing is for sure: it was the drug that was causing her problems and doctors having her take the drug to get rid of those problems only made things worse."
The first part I love! I would agree that at 14 days you feel pretty good. I HOPE that your wife doesn't get spikes of pain or nausea. She might not. The nausea is all the opiate receptors screaming. It's a GUT WRENCHING experience!
Interesting. Well I can tell you that Day 25, beyond that impossible to get out of bed thing and the spike of pain; there was a big turn around. I even made it to the post office yesterday. I has incredibly pale skin, sunken in eyes, looked sad and exhausted from the pain. I went out into public in a condition I usually wouldn't!
My skin needs almost daily exfoliation because it gets this sort of grimy dirty sweaty feeling. And a little ache, which, I don't get. It has to come out any way it can i suppose. I'm also wondering if it is stored in fat cells and I should expect break thru pain as it leaves my body, being processed by the Liver.
I think it is interesting that according to Chinese Medicine, The Liver is the organ in which ANGER is stored. And OMG I am so angry! Like; I YELL and RANT! I threaten to find the maker of Tramadol and MAKE him take the "Oh So Safe Tramadol." Which I would imagine would be like that scene in Erin Brockovich in which she tells the opposing side that they had the tap water brought over ESP for them from the contaminated cancer causing town. I bet you that the maker of TRAMADOL are not on Tramadol.
I don't think that my depression or suicidal ideation was coming from ANYTHING except the Tramadol. Some people say that they experience Depression after withdrawing from Tramadol.
I however, experienced an almost immediate relief from Depression and suicidal Ideation. Maybe you could say that was due to the severe withdrawal I suffered? But I doubt it. The depression tries to get me and so does the anxiety, but I know now when it is the TRAMADOL TALKING and when it is my authentic voice.
Thank you so much for writing! I so appreciate it!
Love and Healing,
Emily
Taking a medication that makes you sick, is not any fun at all. Esp because it was supposed to help with pain and instead increased it. Most of these Doctors are not listening at ALL when it comes to Ultram, Ultraset or Tramadol. They don't want to hear that their one "non-opiate" not s
THANK YOU! Thank you for finding me! It gives me such hope and such comfort to know that anyone who googles tramadol can find this journal. That's the idea! I truly hope MORE people find this.
My deepest deepest most heart felt sympathies to you on your Ultracet Experience.
Interesting, you know, I had completely forgotten about the low grade fever! Yes, I had a low grade fever also. While on Tramadol; I also had higher blood pressure. Despite the fact that I had lost 60 pounds, and become an athelete. And all those lifestyle changes you would think would make you better, but I was getting steadily progressive worse AND I felt like I was losing my mind.
Ridiculous!!!
I like what you wrote here, "From what we gather, each day you get another hour or so you feel well. It hits worst in the morning. One thing is for sure: it was the drug that was causing her problems and doctors having her take the drug to get rid of those problems only made things worse."
The first part I love! I would agree that at 14 days you feel pretty good. I HOPE that your wife doesn't get spikes of pain or nausea. She might not. The nausea is all the opiate receptors screaming. It's a GUT WRENCHING experience!
Interesting. Well I can tell you that Day 25, beyond that impossible to get out of bed thing and the spike of pain; there was a big turn around. I even made it to the post office yesterday. I has incredibly pale skin, sunken in eyes, looked sad and exhausted from the pain. I went out into public in a condition I usually wouldn't!
My skin needs almost daily exfoliation because it gets this sort of grimy dirty sweaty feeling. And a little ache, which, I don't get. It has to come out any way it can i suppose. I'm also wondering if it is stored in fat cells and I should expect break thru pain as it leaves my body, being processed by the Liver.
I think it is interesting that according to Chinese Medicine, The Liver is the organ in which ANGER is stored. And OMG I am so angry! Like; I YELL and RANT! I threaten to find the maker of Tramadol and MAKE him take the "Oh So Safe Tramadol." Which I would imagine would be like that scene in Erin Brockovich in which she tells the opposing side that they had the tap water brought over ESP for them from the contaminated cancer causing town. I bet you that the maker of TRAMADOL are not on Tramadol.
I don't think that my depression or suicidal ideation was coming from ANYTHING except the Tramadol. Some people say that they experience Depression after withdrawing from Tramadol.
I however, experienced an almost immediate relief from Depression and suicidal Ideation. Maybe you could say that was due to the severe withdrawal I suffered? But I doubt it. The depression tries to get me and so does the anxiety, but I know now when it is the TRAMADOL TALKING and when it is my authentic voice.
Thank you so much for writing! I so appreciate it!
Love and Healing,
Emily
Thanks for the note, Emily. You brought up sweats and blood pressure and I just wanted to say that my wife also had/has both of those. The blood pressure is down now that's off the med. Since she's in a withdrawal stage, the nausea is there at night and the spiked pain is there in the morning. Significantly, her pain is freeform pain in her limbs not joint pain. This is an important distinction to make, since doctors can't seem to shout "Lupus!" fast enough. Lupus gives you joint pain, not floating limb pain.
Again, though, I wanted to emphasize that these symptoms completely confounded doctors, which is why she kept taking the pills for four months after the onset of symptoms while waiting for a proper diagnosis (she saw, I think, five doctors). Before that, she was on the drug nearly three years.
So, clearly, there is a disconnect here between what this drug does and what doctors think it does. I'm not saying the drug should be banned, but doctors need to know and not start screaming "Lupus!" like George Costanza in that "Seinfeld" episode.
Not to make light of this, but we're both pop music buffs and later realized we could have diagnosed her condition had we listened to junkie withdrawal songs closer, specifically "Fire and Rain" and "Cold Turkey." Don't mess with those opiod receptors, kids.
Thanks again for this journal. Without the Internet she'd probably be taking more Ultracet, plus new 25 Lupus meds.
Again, though, I wanted to emphasize that these symptoms completely confounded doctors, which is why she kept taking the pills for four months after the onset of symptoms while waiting for a proper diagnosis (she saw, I think, five doctors). Before that, she was on the drug nearly three years.
So, clearly, there is a disconnect here between what this drug does and what doctors think it does. I'm not saying the drug should be banned, but doctors need to know and not start screaming "Lupus!" like George Costanza in that "Seinfeld" episode.
Not to make light of this, but we're both pop music buffs and later realized we could have diagnosed her condition had we listened to junkie withdrawal songs closer, specifically "Fire and Rain" and "Cold Turkey." Don't mess with those opiod receptors, kids.
Thanks again for this journal. Without the Internet she'd probably be taking more Ultracet, plus new 25 Lupus meds.
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