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Day 77 Cold Turkey Tramadol Update; and a Klonopin Taper!
Sep 05, 2008 06:11PM
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Hello Tramadol Warriors!
OK so I wanted to give you all an update, to give you the great news that the Tramadol withdrawal is now gone. G-O-N-E. This is Day 78 for me. No cravings.
I don't feel at all as if I am or have been damaged by the drug. I have to kind of strain to remember what it was like being on the drug. It's not difficult for me to remember withdrawal. I remember that very very well. It was extremely debilitating. I'm a little amazed I lived; but grateful.
Getting off Tramadol created much better health, less to zero back pain. Almost zero neuropathy into my right leg. Immediately after Cold Turkey, I felt so much better. I mean, I was in withdrawal but the most horrifying part of my life; fighting the Suicidal Ideation was over.
That is not to say that when I am triggered, I don't get the brief invasive thought that says, "I wish I were dead." The drug thought (one) isn't creative. It never ever varied. Only that one sentence. In my head. Now, I have to be messing with the other variables in my life to get triggered.
Tramadol is now gone!
There was the big "Your Car Is Totaled Accident" on 8-9-08. This was followed by finding out that the woman who hit me was A. Drunk and B. Had no Insurance. Since she tried to run away from the scene, no one is amazed.
Then yesterday I decided to get my house in order. I sadly, had to go to Ikea, a place I have avoided for years. As in organize all the nail polish! Hey, it's a start! SO I was going to buy a little cabinet to make it all neat and clean. So on the way, I was sitting at a light, and a mini van literally backed right up into my other car. Car #1 is totaled. BUT; it's PANIC BUTTON STILL WORKS! LOL!
So after I get hit again yesterday, I literally said OUT LOUD in my BMW after the hit; "NO FREAKING WAY!?" I slam my car into reverse so that the person who hit me is now trapped and can't run away. See? I am learning. I get out of the car. I notice that my body got a nice shock from it. I look at the car. My car is a really old BMW, a little 3 series, really cute, and super metallic. Not like my Honda which was made of plastic mainly.
The BMW is fine. But the Minivan that backup onto it, is dented. Like the fender is crunched. Cause it's not metal. So the driver gets out and I am STARING at the BMW and I literally cannot See ANYTHING. No damage. Nadda!
The woman who gets out of the minivan is an old shaky woman. She immediately asks if I am OK. Which honestly is what people should do. But here in LA the people who have hit me have always been annoyingly unconcerned about my health! Poor older lady, she was shaking and all scared. She asked if my car had any damage. I didn't. She admitted that she didn't see me. I told her not to worry about it, and was she ok just getting her fender fixed. She looked so relieved. I patted her on the arm and told her not to worry about it and Have a nice day.
I still had time left after the Ikea Lab Rat experience ... run thru the long annoying store to ever find what you need. Stuff, stuff, too much stuff everywhere. I am reminded of when I was in Early Tramadol withdrawal and I would hide from the doorbell. Ht the ground and HIDE. Or not be able to answer the phone. I certainly couldn't have gone to Ikea!
After that I stopped at this Chinese Reflexology Place I know of. It's great! They use a bucket of super hot water, massage you, with towels over your clothes. They really work out the feet. I love Reflexology. They play Chinese-y Music. And they gave me a lovely massage. You know how much it costs for an hour? 30 including your tip$. It's great. I'm going to be there alot.
The accident in which the Honda was totaled had to remind me of what it was like to have back pain. LOL! Even now; after all that; I still have LESS lower back pain than I did WHILE I was on Tramadol. Which I think is incredible.
Enter the last pill I am on; which is Klonopin. Today I went to a amazing and fabulous Psychiatrist. That happened because I realized that a cold turkey from 2 mg of Klonopin wasn't going to work. And the way I realized it was by cutting my dose. Pretty soon I was reminded of what it was like to discontinue Klonopin without any help. It's too scary for me to do alone. It's not like Tramadol withdrawal. It is Electrical and there's brain zaps and odd Benzo symptoms. I have been successful at it before. I did that about two and a half years ago. It was about 17 days of feeling heavy withdrawal symptoms.
So I called this foundation that deals with Christian Counseling. I figured they might help me since I have no medical insurance and no idea who I would go to. They gave me a few names and since I figured by TODAY I would be out of Klonopin, I better get in soon. It meant having to cancel work. But I am really pleased with myself for finding a good Psychiatrist! I had to pay cash, $150, but it was worth it just not to have to go it alone. I don't think I have any Family or Friends who could take another drug withdrawal story from me! Not after the extended version of Tramadol!
I thought it was funny when he asked me what my Spiritual Orientation was. Never ha anyone, not even a Doctor as me that. I answered, "Buddhist-Christian?" LOL!
So I am set for someone to help me taper. Thank Goodness!
Let me know how you all are doing when you can.
For those who have just found their way here; I promise Tramadol withdrawal does end.
Love and Healing;
Emily
Klonopin is the last drug I have to get off of. I feel confident after talking to my nice new Doctor that I will be able to manage it. :D
OK so I wanted to give you all an update, to give you the great news that the Tramadol withdrawal is now gone. G-O-N-E. This is Day 78 for me. No cravings.
I don't feel at all as if I am or have been damaged by the drug. I have to kind of strain to remember what it was like being on the drug. It's not difficult for me to remember withdrawal. I remember that very very well. It was extremely debilitating. I'm a little amazed I lived; but grateful.
Getting off Tramadol created much better health, less to zero back pain. Almost zero neuropathy into my right leg. Immediately after Cold Turkey, I felt so much better. I mean, I was in withdrawal but the most horrifying part of my life; fighting the Suicidal Ideation was over.
That is not to say that when I am triggered, I don't get the brief invasive thought that says, "I wish I were dead." The drug thought (one) isn't creative. It never ever varied. Only that one sentence. In my head. Now, I have to be messing with the other variables in my life to get triggered.
Tramadol is now gone!
There was the big "Your Car Is Totaled Accident" on 8-9-08. This was followed by finding out that the woman who hit me was A. Drunk and B. Had no Insurance. Since she tried to run away from the scene, no one is amazed.
Then yesterday I decided to get my house in order. I sadly, had to go to Ikea, a place I have avoided for years. As in organize all the nail polish! Hey, it's a start! SO I was going to buy a little cabinet to make it all neat and clean. So on the way, I was sitting at a light, and a mini van literally backed right up into my other car. Car #1 is totaled. BUT; it's PANIC BUTTON STILL WORKS! LOL!
So after I get hit again yesterday, I literally said OUT LOUD in my BMW after the hit; "NO FREAKING WAY!?" I slam my car into reverse so that the person who hit me is now trapped and can't run away. See? I am learning. I get out of the car. I notice that my body got a nice shock from it. I look at the car. My car is a really old BMW, a little 3 series, really cute, and super metallic. Not like my Honda which was made of plastic mainly.
The BMW is fine. But the Minivan that backup onto it, is dented. Like the fender is crunched. Cause it's not metal. So the driver gets out and I am STARING at the BMW and I literally cannot See ANYTHING. No damage. Nadda!
The woman who gets out of the minivan is an old shaky woman. She immediately asks if I am OK. Which honestly is what people should do. But here in LA the people who have hit me have always been annoyingly unconcerned about my health! Poor older lady, she was shaking and all scared. She asked if my car had any damage. I didn't. She admitted that she didn't see me. I told her not to worry about it, and was she ok just getting her fender fixed. She looked so relieved. I patted her on the arm and told her not to worry about it and Have a nice day.
I still had time left after the Ikea Lab Rat experience ... run thru the long annoying store to ever find what you need. Stuff, stuff, too much stuff everywhere. I am reminded of when I was in Early Tramadol withdrawal and I would hide from the doorbell. Ht the ground and HIDE. Or not be able to answer the phone. I certainly couldn't have gone to Ikea!
After that I stopped at this Chinese Reflexology Place I know of. It's great! They use a bucket of super hot water, massage you, with towels over your clothes. They really work out the feet. I love Reflexology. They play Chinese-y Music. And they gave me a lovely massage. You know how much it costs for an hour? 30 including your tip$. It's great. I'm going to be there alot.
The accident in which the Honda was totaled had to remind me of what it was like to have back pain. LOL! Even now; after all that; I still have LESS lower back pain than I did WHILE I was on Tramadol. Which I think is incredible.
Enter the last pill I am on; which is Klonopin. Today I went to a amazing and fabulous Psychiatrist. That happened because I realized that a cold turkey from 2 mg of Klonopin wasn't going to work. And the way I realized it was by cutting my dose. Pretty soon I was reminded of what it was like to discontinue Klonopin without any help. It's too scary for me to do alone. It's not like Tramadol withdrawal. It is Electrical and there's brain zaps and odd Benzo symptoms. I have been successful at it before. I did that about two and a half years ago. It was about 17 days of feeling heavy withdrawal symptoms.
So I called this foundation that deals with Christian Counseling. I figured they might help me since I have no medical insurance and no idea who I would go to. They gave me a few names and since I figured by TODAY I would be out of Klonopin, I better get in soon. It meant having to cancel work. But I am really pleased with myself for finding a good Psychiatrist! I had to pay cash, $150, but it was worth it just not to have to go it alone. I don't think I have any Family or Friends who could take another drug withdrawal story from me! Not after the extended version of Tramadol!
I thought it was funny when he asked me what my Spiritual Orientation was. Never ha anyone, not even a Doctor as me that. I answered, "Buddhist-Christian?" LOL!
So I am set for someone to help me taper. Thank Goodness!
Let me know how you all are doing when you can.
For those who have just found their way here; I promise Tramadol withdrawal does end.
Love and Healing;
Emily
Klonopin is the last drug I have to get off of. I feel confident after talking to my nice new Doctor that I will be able to manage it. :D
I'm so happy to hear you finally found peace in your life after tramadol. I hope I find that soon. although being 75 days behind you. lol it's going to be a while. I too am afraid to talk to anyone in my family as I have been thru this before, and Im sure they don't/can't hear it. but I'll do it, I hve to. I try and think of my 4 year old and this is needed for both of us. I have an appt with my nuerologist for my headaches and actually a gyno too b/c i am SURE they are hormonal. they started when I was prego and have gotten worse over the years. :( something's gotta give. I used to be able to suffer thru antying headaches and all, I was NOT a pill popper until I found the wonderful relief they can bring, until it turns on ya like you said. :(
good luck on the Klonopin, I know you can do it, your a tough cookie!!! we all have faith in you,
thanks for the update, was starting to worry about you. :)
good luck on the Klonopin, I know you can do it, your a tough cookie!!! we all have faith in you,
thanks for the update, was starting to worry about you. :)
ok here comes another one i have been on tramadol for years and believe me i took a alot more than the recomended dose.
my last tab was 24 hrs. ago so please let me know what is going to happen here and am i going to die i can't lose me family help help
my last tab was 24 hrs. ago so please let me know what is going to happen here and am i going to die i can't lose me family help help
Maxieb;
Thank you so much! You will find peace after life on Tramadol. You're in early withdrawal also so the links below will help you! I have migraines occasionally and know how painful they are. I truly hope you find some relief and some answers from those Doctors.
I am pretty sure I can get off Klonopin, I just need to taper slowly. And build my system up. I was hoping to be a solid 90 days out before attempting that. But life happens. The car accident wasn't in the plan!
Anyhow, you sound like you're a tough cookie too and I know you can do it. ESP when you have a 4 year old to help motivate your recovery. I am sorry that Family Members won't hear. It's too bad really. I have faith in you as well MaxieB!
sososo;
No, you won't die. (It You had a much better chance of having a seizure while you were taking the Tramadol than you do now. You won't lose your Family. It's not even considered an opiate or a narcotic, but as you are seeing, the withdrawal is terrible.
On this site look up The Thomas Recipe. Okay never mind, I see you are in early withdrawal. Let me help ya. Here ya go. This is what I used. Now the first three days? Like having a flu/migraine/car accident. I spent three days in serious exhaustion/pain.
http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/Addiction/Thomas-Recipe-Re-Posted/show/16?cid=66
The best advice I can give you is to read as much of the journal you can and it is full of nice tidbits about how to get off. I really wanted off. It was my Number One Priority!
Here's the vitamin protocol. They will both help you. AT my weakest, I could barely take a shower, but I did find hot showers very helpful. I used Lavender Batherapy by Queen Helene. They have the highest mineral content, are available at any store and the minerals help ALOT!
http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/Addiction/Amino-Acid-Protocol/show/15?cid=66
Love and healing,
Emily
Thank you so much! You will find peace after life on Tramadol. You're in early withdrawal also so the links below will help you! I have migraines occasionally and know how painful they are. I truly hope you find some relief and some answers from those Doctors.
I am pretty sure I can get off Klonopin, I just need to taper slowly. And build my system up. I was hoping to be a solid 90 days out before attempting that. But life happens. The car accident wasn't in the plan!
Anyhow, you sound like you're a tough cookie too and I know you can do it. ESP when you have a 4 year old to help motivate your recovery. I am sorry that Family Members won't hear. It's too bad really. I have faith in you as well MaxieB!
sososo;
No, you won't die. (It You had a much better chance of having a seizure while you were taking the Tramadol than you do now. You won't lose your Family. It's not even considered an opiate or a narcotic, but as you are seeing, the withdrawal is terrible.
On this site look up The Thomas Recipe. Okay never mind, I see you are in early withdrawal. Let me help ya. Here ya go. This is what I used. Now the first three days? Like having a flu/migraine/car accident. I spent three days in serious exhaustion/pain.
http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/Addiction/Thomas-Recipe-Re-Posted/show/16?cid=66
The best advice I can give you is to read as much of the journal you can and it is full of nice tidbits about how to get off. I really wanted off. It was my Number One Priority!
Here's the vitamin protocol. They will both help you. AT my weakest, I could barely take a shower, but I did find hot showers very helpful. I used Lavender Batherapy by Queen Helene. They have the highest mineral content, are available at any store and the minerals help ALOT!
http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/Addiction/Amino-Acid-Protocol/show/15?cid=66
Love and healing,
Emily
Hi Emily,
Hope you continue to be side effect free & your Klonopin taper is going well, if you have started. Given that you have experienced several lifetimes's worth of motor vehicle trauma, you must be due some trouble free motoring. I love & admire the way you haven't let those very real life setbacks highjack your mind, plenty of people wouldn't have been so strong.
I am muddling along but very excited about the good (low fatigue) days. I have just been diagnosed with the iron overload gene, which can also cause fatigue but my symptoms have been so consistent with you other tramadol warriors, I'm sure it's the main culprit.
Love Michelle
Hope you continue to be side effect free & your Klonopin taper is going well, if you have started. Given that you have experienced several lifetimes's worth of motor vehicle trauma, you must be due some trouble free motoring. I love & admire the way you haven't let those very real life setbacks highjack your mind, plenty of people wouldn't have been so strong.
I am muddling along but very excited about the good (low fatigue) days. I have just been diagnosed with the iron overload gene, which can also cause fatigue but my symptoms have been so consistent with you other tramadol warriors, I'm sure it's the main culprit.
Love Michelle
Emily , you write so well very descriptive, i don't no what tramadol is but i have been a heroin addcit then was on methodone got off that moved to subs ,
but I have gone through an awful zanaz addcition were i did take a few sezures, i go on for yrs then mess up a bit , I am still taking a .5 mil of klonopin still i no its not much but i freak running out of it and I am going to tomorrow
I must say it sounds like your on your way to a full recovery you seem to be doing all the right stuff you went to a good doctor i may follw your lead on that .
be good and , you should think about writing your very good .
please excuse spelling/grammer mistakes as I am not wearing my glasses and have not slept ofr this is goignot be the 4th day its 3:04 am herein new york city and I have to be at work at 7 I feel tired and sick but back to you
stay well Emily
good luck to you
Kim
but I have gone through an awful zanaz addcition were i did take a few sezures, i go on for yrs then mess up a bit , I am still taking a .5 mil of klonopin still i no its not much but i freak running out of it and I am going to tomorrow
I must say it sounds like your on your way to a full recovery you seem to be doing all the right stuff you went to a good doctor i may follw your lead on that .
be good and , you should think about writing your very good .
please excuse spelling/grammer mistakes as I am not wearing my glasses and have not slept ofr this is goignot be the 4th day its 3:04 am herein new york city and I have to be at work at 7 I feel tired and sick but back to you
stay well Emily
good luck to you
Kim
I plan to start tapering myself off of Tramadol here in a few weeks because my husband has been begging me for another baby. I'm wondering if there is a certain length of time time that I should wait before we start trying, for my body to clean out the drugs or something? I also think if I were pregnant that would help me alot with the cravings that I will be having, because I won't take anything that hasn't been deemed safe by the FDA.
Ohh my gosh!
I didn't know it until now, that the darkest depression I had ever been through was because of tramadol! I had an injury at work where Percocet was the frontline drug of treatment. The doc, concerned over my usage of the drug (less than 1 a day) became concerned, as it had been in excess of 6 months. Amazingly, I never had any withdrawls from the Percocet. It wasn't until Tramadol (which was substituted for the Percs) that the really serious bouts of "opoid" withdrawls took place. Man, all I can say is after 3 weeks of HORRIFIC restlessness and tremors was I able to come out of it. This may not be entirely without the assistance of darvocets though. Which actually seem to taper off very well for me. So, I am HAPPILY off Tramadol.
I didn't know it until now, that the darkest depression I had ever been through was because of tramadol! I had an injury at work where Percocet was the frontline drug of treatment. The doc, concerned over my usage of the drug (less than 1 a day) became concerned, as it had been in excess of 6 months. Amazingly, I never had any withdrawls from the Percocet. It wasn't until Tramadol (which was substituted for the Percs) that the really serious bouts of "opoid" withdrawls took place. Man, all I can say is after 3 weeks of HORRIFIC restlessness and tremors was I able to come out of it. This may not be entirely without the assistance of darvocets though. Which actually seem to taper off very well for me. So, I am HAPPILY off Tramadol.
One last thing, I only took the Trams for 1.5 months, not long at all by comparison to some I read here, nevertheless a substantial testimony of how abusive the drug really is...
((((Croyal))))
Yep. Tramadol withdrawal makes you depressed and sort feel like you wanna die. Or are going to die. Like you I found every opiate less trouble than tramadol to get off.
So glad you are out Friend! So glad!
But I remember a young strong man ... his use was less than 3 months ,, might have only been 1.5 like you. He suffered like you did! This stuff is rat poison!
Love and healing,
Emily
Yep. Tramadol withdrawal makes you depressed and sort feel like you wanna die. Or are going to die. Like you I found every opiate less trouble than tramadol to get off.
So glad you are out Friend! So glad!
But I remember a young strong man ... his use was less than 3 months ,, might have only been 1.5 like you. He suffered like you did! This stuff is rat poison!
Love and healing,
Emily
Emily,
I just found your journal and Thank God I'm Not Going Crazy! My doctor prescribed Tramadol (Ultram) for me right at a year ago for upper back pain. Like just about everyone else here I looked it up and everything I found said "it's safe!" "it's not addictive!" "it's not really an opiate! It just looks like one!" well if it looks like a duck....you know the rest. I've tried several times to get off of this drug because I no longer have problems with my back. My pain is now easily managed without drugs, but so far I have not been able to deal with the withdrawal hell of getting off this drug. I have managed to reduce my dosage down to 100mg a day, but if I try to go any lower it's like jumping on a roller coaster driven by Hades himself. NOW I take it to control restless legs syndrome WHICH WAS CAUSED BY THE TRAMADOL! Whenever I don't take it I immediately start feeling like I have the flu without the congestion. I get stomach cramps and I have these weird emotional issues that have no association with anything. Someone says hello to me and I have to fight to keep from breaking down in tears. But by far the worst thing ever is the cruel irony of the debilitating fatigue and muscle weakness coupled with the RLS. Did you ever have days when you did not have the strength or energy to stand, but your joints would not allow you to be still? I cave every time out of what I've read in all of your posts.....FEAR. Fear that I won't be able to sleep because I'll have to pace around my living room all night, and if I don't sleep I won't be able to function the next day, which means not going to work, which is BAD BAD BAD since I'm a school teacher. Then the fear of "how long will I have to suffer this way?" sets in and I find myself twisting the cap off the rat poison and downing a couple of little white pills.
The strangest thing about this demon drug is that it makes me crave cigarettes like a coke addict. I quit smoking in 2000 and had gotten to the point where I could not even stand to smell cigarette smoke until I started taking Tramadol. Now when I'm on the drug I chain smoke like crazy! It's insane! I know it's the tramadol triggering the cigarette cravings because during the time when one dose wears off before I take the next one I find my cigarettes repulsive. I don't want them, I can't stand the smell of them, and if I try to smoke one it makes me nauseated. But an hour after I take the demon drug I can sit down and smoke half a pack without thinking twice about it. I've told 3 different doctors about this "side effect" and all 3 had the same response: "hm. that's odd." How about "wow it seems like this drug is *@#$ing up your brain chemistry maybe we should try something else????" What is it with these doctors????? I've given up on traditional medicine.
Anyway, I am sooooooo glad I found your journal! I thought it was just me. I thought I was becoming this totally mental hypochondriac and was starting to believe the dozen doctors I've been to who keep telling me that I'm just "depressed" and to go see a psychiatrist. No one has believed me that it's the tramadol that's making me crazy! You and all the other people here have given me the motivation and confidence to deal with the withdrawal and get off this drug. There are so many good ideas here, now I feel like I can actually come up with a plan and prepare for the 4-7 days of hell that I know I'm going to have to suffer through. You have no idea how much it helps just having an idea of how long the downward spiral into the pit of hell might last and that one CAN make it out alive and well! More than that, it is such a relief to find out that I am not alone in this. That others have gone and are still going through it and are surviving just fine!
I hope you don't mind me jumping in here on your journal, but I know this little community is going to be a major support for me in the coming months.
Wish me luck! I'm definitely going to need it. (or something like it. :>)
I just found your journal and Thank God I'm Not Going Crazy! My doctor prescribed Tramadol (Ultram) for me right at a year ago for upper back pain. Like just about everyone else here I looked it up and everything I found said "it's safe!" "it's not addictive!" "it's not really an opiate! It just looks like one!" well if it looks like a duck....you know the rest. I've tried several times to get off of this drug because I no longer have problems with my back. My pain is now easily managed without drugs, but so far I have not been able to deal with the withdrawal hell of getting off this drug. I have managed to reduce my dosage down to 100mg a day, but if I try to go any lower it's like jumping on a roller coaster driven by Hades himself. NOW I take it to control restless legs syndrome WHICH WAS CAUSED BY THE TRAMADOL! Whenever I don't take it I immediately start feeling like I have the flu without the congestion. I get stomach cramps and I have these weird emotional issues that have no association with anything. Someone says hello to me and I have to fight to keep from breaking down in tears. But by far the worst thing ever is the cruel irony of the debilitating fatigue and muscle weakness coupled with the RLS. Did you ever have days when you did not have the strength or energy to stand, but your joints would not allow you to be still? I cave every time out of what I've read in all of your posts.....FEAR. Fear that I won't be able to sleep because I'll have to pace around my living room all night, and if I don't sleep I won't be able to function the next day, which means not going to work, which is BAD BAD BAD since I'm a school teacher. Then the fear of "how long will I have to suffer this way?" sets in and I find myself twisting the cap off the rat poison and downing a couple of little white pills.
The strangest thing about this demon drug is that it makes me crave cigarettes like a coke addict. I quit smoking in 2000 and had gotten to the point where I could not even stand to smell cigarette smoke until I started taking Tramadol. Now when I'm on the drug I chain smoke like crazy! It's insane! I know it's the tramadol triggering the cigarette cravings because during the time when one dose wears off before I take the next one I find my cigarettes repulsive. I don't want them, I can't stand the smell of them, and if I try to smoke one it makes me nauseated. But an hour after I take the demon drug I can sit down and smoke half a pack without thinking twice about it. I've told 3 different doctors about this "side effect" and all 3 had the same response: "hm. that's odd." How about "wow it seems like this drug is *@#$ing up your brain chemistry maybe we should try something else????" What is it with these doctors????? I've given up on traditional medicine.
Anyway, I am sooooooo glad I found your journal! I thought it was just me. I thought I was becoming this totally mental hypochondriac and was starting to believe the dozen doctors I've been to who keep telling me that I'm just "depressed" and to go see a psychiatrist. No one has believed me that it's the tramadol that's making me crazy! You and all the other people here have given me the motivation and confidence to deal with the withdrawal and get off this drug. There are so many good ideas here, now I feel like I can actually come up with a plan and prepare for the 4-7 days of hell that I know I'm going to have to suffer through. You have no idea how much it helps just having an idea of how long the downward spiral into the pit of hell might last and that one CAN make it out alive and well! More than that, it is such a relief to find out that I am not alone in this. That others have gone and are still going through it and are surviving just fine!
I hope you don't mind me jumping in here on your journal, but I know this little community is going to be a major support for me in the coming months.
Wish me luck! I'm definitely going to need it. (or something like it. :>)
Dear Tramateacher;
Thank you for writing! It's Day 124 now for me. Like you, I have a job that I "cannot miss." And I did miss it. I remember going back to work too soon and feeling literally like a giant spider at my desk. I hid by the filing cabinet. Had to call my Mom! LOL!
Yes of course there more days when I couldn't move at all. I had to cancel ALOT of "Important" Things." So. What?
Seriously. Once you really grasp on a deep level that Tramadol has plans to KILL. YOU. How do you feel? Doesn't it freakin' make you so angry? Don't you want to jump up and down on it's stupid encapsulated head for wasting even one more minute of your Authentic Life?
What you are afraid of; simply doesn't exist.
In other words, right now, that anxiety and FEAR is being caused by drugs. Both taking it and withdrawing from it. You're between a rock and a hard place. What was possibly (debatably) useful to you once is now literally trying to drive you insane. In my case I was literally writing to The Samaritans who deal with people WHO WANT TO DIE. Yeah. But. That's NOT me. It took me soooo long to figure it out.
IT. WAS. THE. TRAMADOL.
It wasn't any of the other pills, it WAS TRAMADOL.
I want some idiot Doctor who has BEEN on Tramadol for "Chronic Pain" at teh same body equivalent level I have; and for the same length of time to tell me it is safe. Because it isn't. What is it? It is a way of covering their own liability.
Tramadol has been declared an opiate and a NARCOTIC in other countries. I'm not going to be amazed when a giant class action law suit comes down. I hope I am there to give it a final kick in the head.
Getting incredibly ANGRY is more proactive than fear. Thing about this; YOU FOUND this JOURNAL! So that puts you hugely ahead of the ground zero that I started at. It means you can lay down some major supplies to make the withdrawal better.
What is best for restless legs syndrome?
In my experience, Imodium AD (I took 4 mg at a time and it stopped it) I also drank apple juice mixed with about half tonic water. Tonic water has quinine in it. It crosses the Blood Brain Barrier and mellows it all out. Yes, the Faux-opiate RLS as well. It works with REAL opiates as well.
I also put Emergen-C in my apple juice or water. I took tons of sublingual B-12. And to be honest, I used ALOT of classic distraction techniques. Movies, humorous. Light. Nothing insane or dramatic. NOT a great time to re-watch Fight Club! LOL!
You get yourself set like you have the FLU ... and you get your supplies and then you jump off. The house has to be filled with easy things, soups, beverages, clean clothes (cause of the sweat) ... I actually do not think it is odd that Tramadol made you crave ciggies. It wants you dead Honey Bunny! :D
That alone should make you very angry. You cannot be angry, fighting mad and be afraid at the same time. People who say Anger is not useful; have simply never been in a position where FURY is the way out. They get scared of being angry. They wanna make excuses. Do you REALLY believe that these people do not know what TRAMADOL really is? Do you believe that for one minute? The moment you stop taking one dose, you feel like you have a flu, migraine, insane mental flip flop. Separate YOU; Authentic REAL You from Drug thoughts.
Your life is more important than taking a few sick days Sweetheart. Those kids. They need you alive ok? There's no reason to be scared. It's a solid three to four days of insanely bad flu. For me so bad I literally laugh when I find a Tramadol rolling around under my couch when I am cleaning. Idiots who created this ****.
I had Klonopin, but many use Benadryl to help the insomnia. There's other herbs tat work for insomnia.
Honey was my BEST friend! I found the bottom dropped out VERY suddenly so I would eat one of the honey sticks that Coffee Bean has for their teas.
Understand that if you aren't So angry at the situation you are in ... and you are afraid ... you're choosing a position of weakness and fear and then you will give in. How done are you? Personally I could see the image of myself dead. So, I was done.
Understand one thing. I have a job. It's. An important to be there job with humans and $$ who rely on my presence. I had to let GO OF THAT for awhile. In order to save my own life,
You write, ""Hm. that's odd." How about "wow it seems like this drug is *@#$ing up your brain chemistry maybe we should try something else????" What is it with these doctors????? I've given up on traditional medicine."
Traditional Medicine is really really really messed up right now. The TRUE reason this drug is being passed out like candy is because THEY (The Doctors) CANNOT get into trouble at all, as they clearly can for giving people OPIATES. But ... WOW is it ever easier (in my case at least) to get off any opiate I have been given since big Accident. I have pain. Back pain. But nowhere near what it was at the end on Tramadol.
You know I went thru ALL day WITHOUT thinking, "I WISH I WERE DEAD." Those thoughts were coming from the TRAMADOL. Make no mistake and I went to Doctors about it. Not oe of them "figured it out." Idiots. Sorry. IDIOTS.
So ........ *Flips Tramadol The Bird!!!*
Nope. You are NOT crazy. They are not caring and not paying attention. Tramadol eventually makes you worse. It increases pain. My belief is that it tries to make you crazy and yeah, for awhile it messes up your brains. BUT NOT FOREVER OK?
I was on way more than you for longer. And I'm ok now.
Happy to help you in any way with your plan! (((((Tramateacher))))) The world needs you. Don't let Tramadol Beat you. Kick it to death before it murders you! The hell that withdrawal puts you into ... is NOT real. It is caused by Chemistry. Please understand that your spirit, your soul, YOU that IS YOU ... is untouched by this. Locate that strength and tap into it. There's sooo many good ideas in here!
Anger is an energy.
Love and healing,
Emily
Thank you for writing! It's Day 124 now for me. Like you, I have a job that I "cannot miss." And I did miss it. I remember going back to work too soon and feeling literally like a giant spider at my desk. I hid by the filing cabinet. Had to call my Mom! LOL!
Yes of course there more days when I couldn't move at all. I had to cancel ALOT of "Important" Things." So. What?
Seriously. Once you really grasp on a deep level that Tramadol has plans to KILL. YOU. How do you feel? Doesn't it freakin' make you so angry? Don't you want to jump up and down on it's stupid encapsulated head for wasting even one more minute of your Authentic Life?
What you are afraid of; simply doesn't exist.
In other words, right now, that anxiety and FEAR is being caused by drugs. Both taking it and withdrawing from it. You're between a rock and a hard place. What was possibly (debatably) useful to you once is now literally trying to drive you insane. In my case I was literally writing to The Samaritans who deal with people WHO WANT TO DIE. Yeah. But. That's NOT me. It took me soooo long to figure it out.
IT. WAS. THE. TRAMADOL.
It wasn't any of the other pills, it WAS TRAMADOL.
I want some idiot Doctor who has BEEN on Tramadol for "Chronic Pain" at teh same body equivalent level I have; and for the same length of time to tell me it is safe. Because it isn't. What is it? It is a way of covering their own liability.
Tramadol has been declared an opiate and a NARCOTIC in other countries. I'm not going to be amazed when a giant class action law suit comes down. I hope I am there to give it a final kick in the head.
Getting incredibly ANGRY is more proactive than fear. Thing about this; YOU FOUND this JOURNAL! So that puts you hugely ahead of the ground zero that I started at. It means you can lay down some major supplies to make the withdrawal better.
What is best for restless legs syndrome?
In my experience, Imodium AD (I took 4 mg at a time and it stopped it) I also drank apple juice mixed with about half tonic water. Tonic water has quinine in it. It crosses the Blood Brain Barrier and mellows it all out. Yes, the Faux-opiate RLS as well. It works with REAL opiates as well.
I also put Emergen-C in my apple juice or water. I took tons of sublingual B-12. And to be honest, I used ALOT of classic distraction techniques. Movies, humorous. Light. Nothing insane or dramatic. NOT a great time to re-watch Fight Club! LOL!
You get yourself set like you have the FLU ... and you get your supplies and then you jump off. The house has to be filled with easy things, soups, beverages, clean clothes (cause of the sweat) ... I actually do not think it is odd that Tramadol made you crave ciggies. It wants you dead Honey Bunny! :D
That alone should make you very angry. You cannot be angry, fighting mad and be afraid at the same time. People who say Anger is not useful; have simply never been in a position where FURY is the way out. They get scared of being angry. They wanna make excuses. Do you REALLY believe that these people do not know what TRAMADOL really is? Do you believe that for one minute? The moment you stop taking one dose, you feel like you have a flu, migraine, insane mental flip flop. Separate YOU; Authentic REAL You from Drug thoughts.
Your life is more important than taking a few sick days Sweetheart. Those kids. They need you alive ok? There's no reason to be scared. It's a solid three to four days of insanely bad flu. For me so bad I literally laugh when I find a Tramadol rolling around under my couch when I am cleaning. Idiots who created this ****.
I had Klonopin, but many use Benadryl to help the insomnia. There's other herbs tat work for insomnia.
Honey was my BEST friend! I found the bottom dropped out VERY suddenly so I would eat one of the honey sticks that Coffee Bean has for their teas.
Understand that if you aren't So angry at the situation you are in ... and you are afraid ... you're choosing a position of weakness and fear and then you will give in. How done are you? Personally I could see the image of myself dead. So, I was done.
Understand one thing. I have a job. It's. An important to be there job with humans and $$ who rely on my presence. I had to let GO OF THAT for awhile. In order to save my own life,
You write, ""Hm. that's odd." How about "wow it seems like this drug is *@#$ing up your brain chemistry maybe we should try something else????" What is it with these doctors????? I've given up on traditional medicine."
Traditional Medicine is really really really messed up right now. The TRUE reason this drug is being passed out like candy is because THEY (The Doctors) CANNOT get into trouble at all, as they clearly can for giving people OPIATES. But ... WOW is it ever easier (in my case at least) to get off any opiate I have been given since big Accident. I have pain. Back pain. But nowhere near what it was at the end on Tramadol.
You know I went thru ALL day WITHOUT thinking, "I WISH I WERE DEAD." Those thoughts were coming from the TRAMADOL. Make no mistake and I went to Doctors about it. Not oe of them "figured it out." Idiots. Sorry. IDIOTS.
So ........ *Flips Tramadol The Bird!!!*
Nope. You are NOT crazy. They are not caring and not paying attention. Tramadol eventually makes you worse. It increases pain. My belief is that it tries to make you crazy and yeah, for awhile it messes up your brains. BUT NOT FOREVER OK?
I was on way more than you for longer. And I'm ok now.
Happy to help you in any way with your plan! (((((Tramateacher))))) The world needs you. Don't let Tramadol Beat you. Kick it to death before it murders you! The hell that withdrawal puts you into ... is NOT real. It is caused by Chemistry. Please understand that your spirit, your soul, YOU that IS YOU ... is untouched by this. Locate that strength and tap into it. There's sooo many good ideas in here!
Anger is an energy.
Love and healing,
Emily
(((((((((((Emily)))))))))))))))))) thank you so much! I had no idea that Imodium AD could help RLS! I'm definitely going to try that and the juice/tonic water cocktail. I already take quite a bit of sublingual B vitamins. I finally found a doctor who identified b-12 deficiency as one of the things causing my back pain. It took only about 3 days on the b complex to notice a HUGE difference in the amount of pain I had. Of course, the tramadol was doing nothing for the pain, which is why I went to yet another doctor for help with my back pain. Except this one was a chiropractor/acupunturist/nutritionist. Ironically, not even this insightful doctor thought there was anything sinister or problematic with taking tramadol. Amazing!
I think you are so right about it all being about the money. I'm convinced that we don't have "doctors" anymore, we have insurance and pharmaceutical company representatives. I have not seen a traditional MD or DO in the last ten years who was willing to spend more than 15 minutes in my presence and who didn't send me out the door with either an anti-depressant or pain killer.
I found a post from a pharmacist on another forum who gave a pretty good plan for tapering off the tramadol. I'm going to try that and see if it helps to reduce the withdrawal. I usually take 50mg in the morning and 50 mg in the afternoon when the RLS starts acting up, but today I'm going to cut that afternoon dose into two pieces and only take half.
I have decided that I am getting off this drug. I'm not afraid anymore! Now that I know I'm not alone and have some idea of what to expect. It's amazing how something as simple as a time frame for recovery can take away all the fear of facing the withdrawal. All my thanks and gratitude to you for that wonderful insight! ((((((((((((Emily)))))))))))))))))))))) You are the path lighter!
All my best to you. :>
I think you are so right about it all being about the money. I'm convinced that we don't have "doctors" anymore, we have insurance and pharmaceutical company representatives. I have not seen a traditional MD or DO in the last ten years who was willing to spend more than 15 minutes in my presence and who didn't send me out the door with either an anti-depressant or pain killer.
I found a post from a pharmacist on another forum who gave a pretty good plan for tapering off the tramadol. I'm going to try that and see if it helps to reduce the withdrawal. I usually take 50mg in the morning and 50 mg in the afternoon when the RLS starts acting up, but today I'm going to cut that afternoon dose into two pieces and only take half.
I have decided that I am getting off this drug. I'm not afraid anymore! Now that I know I'm not alone and have some idea of what to expect. It's amazing how something as simple as a time frame for recovery can take away all the fear of facing the withdrawal. All my thanks and gratitude to you for that wonderful insight! ((((((((((((Emily)))))))))))))))))))))) You are the path lighter!
All my best to you. :>
Emily, your journal needs to be at the top of every tramadol search online. I just found it yesterday and it is amazing, all the others who are suffering from this drug. I too recently stopped taking Tramadol after 3 years of use. I was given the drug for back pain when I asked the doctor to NOT PRESCRIBE me any narcotics. The drug DOES work at first but quickly it stops and your pain is worse and good luck just stopping it. I finally stopped taking it when I found myself desperate for it and hiding it from my fiance (who does not even take aspirin). I just couldnt take the feeling great when I had it and feeling like death when I was out. So, I decided to feel like death for a few extra days and not take it anymore. I went to a doctor, a NEW doctor, and told her the truth. I could not get off of it on my own. So, she put me on a plan to taper off and gave me Lunesta to help sleep when I took my last dose. Lunesta works. You will sleep and wake up rested. I agree also you just have to take a week off work and get ready to have the worse flu youve had. After about day 5 or 6 the anxiety will be better but you still wont want to go dancing. I am SO happy to be free of it. I really didnt think it was harming me until I tried to stop several times. Oh, and I have my personality back to. I might not scrub our house from top to bottom every day anymore, but honestly I laugh more, and the intimacy is so much better. Good luck to evryone whos struggling.
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HI all,
I am on day 5 and feeling great! I think I was afraid of trying, so I just stayed on it. The first few days were up and down and I REALLY wanted a tramadaol, but refused to let it have a hold on me anymore. The night sweats were disgusting and the anxiety while sitting with a client was embarrassing. "I'm sorry, it's just the tramadol rearing its ugly face!" I work to help people overcome problems. That would not have gone over very well. I am now more myself again, and I kind of like me this way! I did drink Detox tea from Yogi that I found in the health isle at my grocery store and I think that helps get it out of all of the cells so it doesn't rear it's ugly head whenever you least expect it. I also have a website that has GoChi and TaiSlim, both of which I am taking twice a day and they cleanse my system. I have always been health minded, and can not believe that I let myself get caught up in such a lie that Tramadol was not addicting. You know what? I think I didn't want it to be. Deep down I knew I was, but as long as the doctor kept saying it wasn't, it gave me permission to take it.
I really believe that the detox tea helped a lot and the GoChi and TaiSlim are helping cleanse my system and are both full of the antioxidants that heal at a cellular level.
Good luck to all and I hope we can finally get the doctors to realize that prescribing tramadol is like giving a ticket to addiction. Lots of prayer helped, also.
If anyone is interested please go to www.dailyhealthyliving.freelife.com and click on the United States. You will find health related items that I use to make me feel great.! I honestly feel that they are helping me overcome the addiction faster. Also, lots of B Vitamins.
On another note, Tramadol made me feel good for the first year or so, but then I didn't really like me anymore because I knew I was addicted but didn't want to admit it, because it gave me confidence that I normally don't have. If anyone knows of a natural supplement that helps with social anxiety, I would love to hear about it.
Thank You
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HI all,
I am on day 5 and feeling great! I think I was afraid of trying, so I just stayed on it. The first few days were up and down and I REALLY wanted a tramadaol, but refused to let it have a hold on me anymore. The night sweats were disgusting and the anxiety while sitting with a client was embarrassing. "I'm sorry, it's just the tramadol rearing its ugly face!" I work to help people overcome problems. That would not have gone over very well. I am now more myself again, and I kind of like me this way! I did drink Detox tea from Yogi that I found in the health isle at my grocery store and I think that helps get it out of all of the cells so it doesn't rear it's ugly head whenever you least expect it. I also have a website that has GoChi and TaiSlim, both of which I am taking twice a day and they cleanse my system. I have always been health minded, and can not believe that I let myself get caught up in such a lie that Tramadol was not addicting. You know what? I think I didn't want it to be. Deep down I knew I was, but as long as the doctor kept saying it wasn't, it gave me permission to take it.
I really believe that the detox tea helped a lot and the GoChi and TaiSlim are helping cleanse my system and are both full of the antioxidants that heal at a cellular level.
Good luck to all and I hope we can finally get the doctors to realize that prescribing tramadol is like giving a ticket to addiction. Lots of prayer helped, also.
If anyone is interested please go to www.dailyhealthyliving.freelife.com and click on the United States. You will find health related items that I use to make me feel great.! I honestly feel that they are helping me overcome the addiction faster. Also, lots of B Vitamins.
On another note, Tramadol made me feel good for the first year or so, but then I didn't really like me anymore because I knew I was addicted but didn't want to admit it, because it gave me confidence that I normally don't have. If anyone knows of a natural supplement that helps with social anxiety, I would love to hear about it.
Thank You
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