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What is the history of Rapid Drug Detox?

May 15, 2011 - 52 comments
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Rapid opiate detox was created in Israel almost 20 years ago by Dr. Andre Waismann, who still practices his craft in Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon, Israel.  You can see a short but informative video about Dr. Waismann’s work by following this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxN4C0A4gA8&feature=related
Since the original procedure was used on addicted soldiers in Israeli army, it has been gradually perfected by new medications that have since been approved by FDA to help control the effects of the withdrawal. The detoxification drug treatment procedure involves administering intravenous medications that remove opiates from the opioid receptors while the patient is sedated. The detox is done under anesthesia to avoid extreme discomfort and pain from opioid withdrawal symptoms. Additional medications are given to counteract the withdrawal manifestations and to comfort the patient.

Rapid detox under anesthesia can get you through the worst of withdrawal with only limited amount of symptoms that we can help to manage.  A small implant containing Naltrexone may be placed under the skin while the patient is still under sedation.  The Naltrexone implant slowly releases medication to continually block receptors and help the patient fight the physical symptoms of drug addiction. The Naltrexone implant will entirely dissolve and disappear in approximately two months. Naltrexone implant will take the daily decision making out of your hands.  Knowing that narcotics will have no effect on you, if you do slip up, will help the psychological cravings as well.

There sprung up numerous small clinics all over the country duplicating the work that Dr. Waismann began in 1994.  Some are well trained and well ran clinics quietly helping patients start new lives, however a few were trying to make a fast buck and ran into trouble and unfortunately those are the ones that get into news and leave a bad taste in the mouths of all.

Internists not doing proper medical screening, not making sure the patients are well enough for the procedure; Anesthesiologists who are not ABA certified, facilities that are ill equipped to deal with emergency situations, etc.  Unfortunately the list can go on and on…

The procedure became somewhat controversial, because of the spectacular stories that were heard from time to time, also because no pharmaceutical company was behind it and making a lot of profit (aka Suboxone).   However for the professionals who have been involved in it, Addictionologists, Internists, Anesthesiologists – are all believers.  They do it because they know it works.  Patient after patient, as long as there is a will and a commitment...


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by caregiver222, May 21, 2011
Rapid detox has been around for a hundred years, in various nations around the world. This is not to dimish the statue of Dr. Waissman, but the story sounds like the one the Russians used to make up about having invented both the airplane and the DC-3.  Naltrexone implants do not "relieve symptoms". The naltrexone occupies the opioate receptor sites making it impossible for the person to get "high" if the patient continues to ingest opiates. If anything the naltrexone makes the pain worse. Sedatives and other medications are provided to reduce discomfort.

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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, May 21, 2011
You are absolutely correct about the Naltrexone. I was simply trying to use "lay" terms.  Forgive me.  As for the origins of the rapid detox, please provide names, dates and the drugs they used. (With appropriate documentation, of course.)
Thanks for the comment.

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by Scared441, Jul 05, 2011
How can I find a doctor in my area who does this kind of treatment?

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by tryng2getThru, Jul 08, 2011
I have the same question as scared only mine comes with financial burdens, i do have insurance but not sire they will cover but i am willing to open all up to my family and be honest from the get go if i have an honest way to work against this madness and get thru it

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by tryng2getThru, Jul 08, 2011
How can we find a doctor in our area i live in the rochester ny vcinity


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by Nomorenames, Jul 10, 2011
My question is the same how do I find a dr in my area?  Please get back to me

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by Nomorenames, Jul 10, 2011
I do not have much financial support but want so badly to stop

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by Lilarose, Aug 03, 2011
What is available for alcohol addiction (other than AA) similar to this treatment?  I asked about using anabuse (antabuse, not sure how to spell it) but no doctor will even discuss it with me.  I find AA meetings extremely stressful, particularly lighting a bunch of candles and talking about our daily problems.  I want to learn more about treatment.  It is interesting that if one has been incarcerated in jail or prison, one can often get treatment for alcoholism.  Being just a regular non-criminal, I have to pay for good treatment such as with private organizations like Serenity Lane.

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by wildflower58, Sep 04, 2011
where is a place like this in texas

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by drugrehabs, Sep 10, 2011
Great history described in this resource for Rapid drug Detox. I visit this informative video about Dr. Waismann's work, really nice video and Great work. After reading this article I came to know about Naltrexone implant. Informative article. You can also get some of the important facts related to detox treatment by visiting http://www.edrugrehabs.com/ this online resource.
http://www.edrugrehabs.com/

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by Under10mgs, Sep 10, 2011
Thanks for the history lesson but UROD should be made illegal. It almost killed me and one can not  avoid  withdrawal symptoms by using ketamine and other anesthesias that can knock one out for 6 hours and giving them a combination of narcotic antagonist, however; they have been a godsend in saving  people in overdose and apparently the suboxone/subitex formula (the agonist/antagonist formulae works well) however buprenorphine is just as addictive as methadone. Sewing a naltrexone drug under someone's skin who cannot vomiting or control his colon gives a person no choice in backing out of this procedure. I went through it and had to be  hydrated by my former roommate via glucose IV, an MD who will remain anonymous. Then he had a surgeon removed the naltrexone plug out of compassion as the MD who did the UROD procedure did not visit us during the whole  aftercare stage of the procedure. If given fluids they would just come out of me so our NA sitters stopped giving me fluids on the third day as to not disturb the maids. I asked them to call the MD but he was too busy to visit as he doesn't really want to see. After calling the doctor's answering service and pretending to be one of the NA sitters ($500 dollars per day), I told the service there was a problem with the two brothers who had gone through UROD. This made him come where I privately told him a contract had now  been put on his life by some of my old Chicago friends. We flew back to Chicago as said and I subsequently went on methadone on an extremely high dose of 360 mgs of methadone by  Marc Shinderman, although  losing his license and slandered by those who do not believe in high methadone dosing. Apparently methadone does not quite make my  opiate receptor sites sing and at a clinic on 200mgs, they would only raise me 5-10 mgs after which I would increase my heroin intake by 1 bag until I was on 220 or something mgs of methadone and 15 bags of heroin (if I recall correctly as it varied each day). Finally, Marc called and told me that he wished he could give me heroin maintenance as he helped develop a model program like this in BC, Canada. However he did increase my dose 60 mgs every three days for nine days until I reached 360mgs and stopped by heroin use. I am presently down to 11 mgs and titrated 'as the symptoms move me'.
  There is a 95% chance of one on a high dosage of opiates to stay clean after any UROD. Doctors  use their own statistics for a profit motive. I also watched as my brother nearly went out of his mind on Ibogaine and I flew to Hanoi to do a Heantos cure with a very compassionate Doctor Gua, a Vietnamese herbalist, who lost both his brother and father, renown herbal Doctors who died from opiates. His brother took his own life. This procedure did not work but was a lot better than the UROD where the US MDs push you out the door if you have no insurance.
   Heroin maintenance worked to varying degrees in England in the sixties and seventies but was shut down by US pressure and overprescribing of both cocaine and heroin by some British MD.s It is now currently being consider. It is a common practice in Germany and Switzerland but I am not sure Holland has come this far yet although they do provide free hosing for senior heroin addicts who can take the drug in the privacy of their rooms.
   I do completely understand the American primitive approach to  opiate addiction as based on our complex national psyche founded by our Puritan founders and our freedom loving creators of our Bill of Rights, who many who found themselves  in the paradox position of owning slaves and not giving women the right to vote.
  Suboxone and methadone do work for some as heroin would have worked for me, however; having had 12 years clean in a 12 step program, I meet many person on subutex or methadone in meetings. For myself, this will never be clean. I do, however, encourage  those on opiates to keep going to meetings and encourage them, unlike others, to speak freely as this form of harm reduction is working for them. My fellow 12 step members, a bit puffed up with their double digit years, are not so tolerant.
  In ending UROD is expensive, cruel and has a low recovery rate. In short it is has been touted by a very backward American medical community, who is terrified of socialized medicine. God, you wouldn't want to lose your house in Costa Rica.

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by Under10mgs, Sep 10, 2011
Sorry for the typos but I have to walk my dog and I was a bit rushed...


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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, Sep 11, 2011
I just want to answer the previous post.  What happened to you at the UROD clinic is deplorable and I can promise you it would not have happened if you came to ours. We do not practice UROD and follow our patients carefully and closely until they are ready for discharge and trip home.
I fully realize that there are docs out there doing it for a quick buck and it is unfortunate,  especially for the patients, who so desperately need the help. If you read my other blogs you will hopefully see, that it is not why we opened our clinic and work very hard to take the best care we can of our patients.
I cannot agree with you about the rest of your comments.  The human body was not meant to be sustained on opiates.  There are long term consequences for everything we do and even this will eventually catch up with you. Americans are non "primitive" in their "puritanism". They are right. Europe is drowning in the quagmire of their own making and I do not think we want to be heading the same way, even though we are trying mightily.
And just FYI, I do not own a house in Costa Rica or any other resort location  and drive a Kia.

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by tristalynn22, Oct 18, 2011
I heard this costs thousands of dollard and doesn't eccept insurance, is that true?

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by Trinityluv76, Apr 20, 2012
is it available in Canada? In Ontario Canada? Can u please provide a web link if so? thanks

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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, Apr 20, 2012
It is not available in Canada, but we have had many patients from Canada and we are located near Detroit, which is right by Windsor, Ontario. You can look at our clinic website at www.mdsdrugdetox.com. If you call us we will be glad to provide you all the information over the phone. The transportation to Windsor or to Detroit is easy either by bus, train, car or plane depending where in Ontario you live. Hope to see you soon.

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by kristi721, Apr 24, 2012
Are our bodies not built to sustain being on suboxone even if it is seemingly impossible to stay off narcotics any other way? Is the suboxone at least the lesser of 2 evils? Also I have only been on it for 2 days and can not sleep at night. I have alot of legitamite health issues RSD, Spinal Disease, Lupus,etc, but because someone called my doctor and made false accusations he has chosen to take me off my pain meds and put me on the suboxone, not sure it makes much sense.Thanks, Kristi

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by NatAddict, May 29, 2012
Our bodies are not built/capable of sustaining anything indefinitely. That's why we die. You just have to decide if getting high and adding that risk to your life is worth it to you. Some people would very truly rather be high and take the risk, than end up like my brother who was squeaky clean his whole life and died of brain cancer at 19 years old. I remember him telling me that he regretted not ever getting high, or trying LSD, or having sex. He didn't do any of those things because he believed they would ruin his life, some of those things can be enriching to one's life experience. However, when you can't stop doing the drugs, you lose the enrichment and you end up on a treadmill.

You could get hit by a bus tomorrow, or you could find out you've done irrepairable damage to your body and mind with drugs. Or you could be like Mic Jagger (*spelling) and be able to survive 40+ years of hard drug abuse. The truth is there are tons of risks in life, if you don't want to be an addict. The first step is getting away from your supply. Then grin and bare it.

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by help_me151, Jun 06, 2012
Does anyone know where I can access this treatment in Australia.  Everytime I find a clinic it turns out they are closed now

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by KBCO, Jun 06, 2012
Who the heck can afford the Waismann Method. Not your average addicted person. Sounds like a great method. Did some research on it, but $22,000 starting point? Ugh.


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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, Jun 06, 2012
The Waismann Method is not the only center doing rapid drug detox. We at MDS Drug Detox Clinic see patients from everywhere and they do extremely well. Our procedure is safe and effective and our patient stay clean for as long as they are committed to our protocol and their recovery. We only charge $8,000 which includes everything, which is the most affordable in the country. Please give us a call 800-637-6968 to find out more. You can connect by clicking on my name or www.mdsdrugdetox.com.

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by Holemaker48, Jun 29, 2012
Probably because the old fashion way can kill you a lot easier than the Wiesmann way I was on 250 mg. of OxyContin a day for pain & had a spinal cord stimulator put in and all the pain was gone and I went off the meds. The old fashion way and it was pure hell & took me almost a year to get off. If I had known the Weismann way was availlable to me the cost would not have been an issue as I would have done anything to get the money. I have a very high tollarance for narcotics and since that time I went off the Oxys. I have had other issues of pain and have had to use oxycodine pills since with no real problems. Anyway thanks for the posts and the help you are doing.

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by elliott1055791, Jul 24, 2012
Just make sure the procedure is done by a Board Certified Anesthesiologist, in an Intensive Care Unit.  Also make sure there is a few days of aftercare included, monitored by medical staff, as the body adjust after detox and can cause symptoms such as diarrhea which still need to be treated.

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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, Jul 24, 2012
You are absolutely right, a Board Certified Anesthesiologist is a must, but only a few of us actually know the process of rapid drug detox. Experience in this field is extremely important. There are clinics that just hire board certified Anesthesiologists to do the procedure for them by following their "protocol". That is not good enough. The doctor needs to have done many, many procedures and understand the addiction physiology to do this right. Please consider this prior to choosing your detox center.

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by flame143, Jul 28, 2012
Dr Aharonov, your posts are helpful for those who can AFFORD to come to your clinic, and go to other reputable clinics.
However, please could you advise those of us who CANNOT AFFORD clinics.  If we taper down, what are the dangers.  Say, you are taking 30 dihydrocodeine pills a day and taper down by 2 a day.  Is that safe?  What can we do to protect ourselves as we do it.
It is great to have a doctor on the boards but most of us need hard, practical advice in our every day lives.
Had we got money we wouldn''t be in this mess.
Thank you

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by flame143, Jul 28, 2012
P.S. I apologise - I have just looked further, and there are forums where you DO offer this advice!  My sincere apologies Dr. Aharonov!  I am new to medhelp.org.  It is the cynic in me!


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by Wildflauwer, Aug 27, 2012
I first was told of the waismsn method nearly 4yrs ago and have been trying to find a way to make it happen.
I would love to have the opportunity to have the procedure done and to have my life back. I've been on suboxone/subutex for the past 12yrs. Im so tired of tapering an just wana be done but can't afford it. I've been trying different talk show hosts with no luck yet but won't give up. If you know of anyway to help please,I'd appreciate it more than you know. I've recently lost my dr once again due to bad choices made by him but it leaves his patients stranded until we're able to find another dr. I'm tired of finding new drs and just wana be done an be just me again so if you could possibly help in anyway

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by Poppi66, Oct 24, 2012
I've just come off 75mg of methadone over an 8 week period in New Zealand. Involuntary withdrawal. I'm not handling it at all & am self medicating with small amounts of methadone. Can anyone please help with info on how I can get off this once and for all. There is no suboxone available here. My gp has given me zopiclone 7.5mg for sleep & that's it. I live alone & can't shop, cook, eat or get off my bed most days & am sick of being sick. Can anyone help

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by RichieRoxi, Oct 28, 2012
Hold up now, Isint the Waismann method just putting you into a medical "coma" and injecting you with Naloxone to get the opiates off of your receptors?!?!?!!?

Because if that is the case, one can save THOUSANDS of dollars by taking a few suboxone when they have opiates in their system and have the naloxone rip the opiates off of the receptors....... The only difference is you would have to be awake while you go through it. But, I think that would be worth suffering for 3-4 hours to save like $8,000-$10,000. But maybe Iam wrong.

The last time I tried to get off the methadone clinic at 150mg's a day I switched to Suboxone and took one and got EXTREMELY sick for like 3-4 hours (and during the 3-4 hours I smoked $25 worth of weed to ease the nausea and pain I was feeling) when you get sick from taking suboxone too soon you get something called "precipatated withdrawals" from taking the suboxone too soon while opiates are still floating around in your system.

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by Menlo650, Nov 04, 2012
Good morning everyone, I looked into this myself and what they do not advertise is that 1 and 500 deaths are reported from this procedure and you do need to sign a waiver that you understand the risks involved. Be very cautious club members.

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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, Nov 07, 2012
Rapid drug detox, if done by experienced professionals should be very safe and effective. As to the risk of anesthesia, it should be no higher than for any other elective procedure.   Tens of thousands of people more die every year from opiate overdose than from anesthesia related incidents.
Why don't you think about the high risk of overdose from opiates instead of scaring people away from a procedure that can potentially save their lives?

Dr. Julia

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by Benz300, Nov 14, 2012
Can you tell me if someone would come to your center for this procedure how long the actual procedure takes and how many days are required to stay at the center until you are safe and well enough to return home? Thank you in advance for the information.

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by jimi62, Dec 23, 2012
Hi Julia the comment you made had me thinking of a Ibogain treatment place in Costa Rica
(And just FYI, I do not own a house in Costa Rica or any other resort location  and drive a Kia)

I think the girl that picked me up at the Airport drove a Kia and drove me about 30 miles outside of
San Jose where i stayed 5 days and thought i was going to die from the Ibogain, ive never been so sick
in all my life and have been better off doing it cold turkey and saved $5000.
Sorry for changing the subject..


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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, Dec 23, 2012
Very cute, Jimi.  We are located in Michigan , not Costa Rica. Sorry about your awful experience with Ibogaine, I do hear it can be dreadful, but I hope it worked. If not, l suggest you look onto our website by clicking on the name of my clinic and look in the testimonials, hey are amazing. I feel truly gratified by the kind words people write to us weeks and months after their procedure was done. This is what keeps us going strong.

P.S. I do still drive a Kia.

Dr. Julia :)

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by provisor97, Dec 26, 2012
Why is Tramadol so difficult to kick.?

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by Julia M Aharonov, DOBlank, Dec 26, 2012
Read my blog about tramadol by following this link:  http://www.medhelp.org/user_journals/show/313432/Tramadol-Misuse--Abuse-and-Addiction-
It will give you a lot of info.

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by heaven2350, Jan 02, 2013
Is there a place in lansing mi that dies it and how do u go about getting in to a prigram.

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by ambyy416, Jan 05, 2013
is there something similiar for methamphetamine addiction???? ive been to several treatments, na, incarceration, choose friends who dont use. and yet i still go back to the same life style. is there any help for me???? please help....

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by KellACB, Jan 18, 2013
Hi Heaven2350. I don't know anything about the program as I was just reading about it and have had no experience, but I did a little research for you. I know what it feels like to need help and be lost. I am going through it right now. Anyway I just wanted to tell you in case you weren't aware of it. The MDS Detox center is only about an hour and fifteen minutes from Lansing MI. Dr. Aharonov listed the website on here. Check it out and see if it's for you. It is so close and if you can get there and get the help I wanted to let you know so you could. I don't want to over step my bounds or anything just trying to reach out a hand to someone I know that if your in my position needs it. I did just a general direction search on my Droid to see the drive time and mileage from your town to the clinic and it came up as 1 hour and 9 minutes and 76 miles via I-96 East. I hope I have helped in some way and good luck to everyone.

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by Mrextreme, Jan 23, 2013
Is this available in South Africa?

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by yadayadayada50, Jun 03, 2013
I had a friend who was dealing at the time and I guess one of his customers got really desperate one day and my friend ended up getting shot in the stomach and he told the doctor that he was a heroin addict and they put him in a medically indused coma for a week so he wouldn't have to go through withdrawal. I've also heard of people who have went to the hospital and had them put the in a coma for withdrawal but I heard that it is very very expensive.

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by davidb820, Jun 26, 2013
Is there a some Ripid Drug Detox program that can get me off of Xanax in a sort amount of time... I need help getting off of it after 2 weeks on it due to it totally screwed me up... Sorry I can not use better language.

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by bambi2275, Jul 02, 2013
why is this procedure so astonomically priced.  I looked at your site and I do know it's considerably less but come on almost $10.000 dollars.  Most people still have to get there and back.  I have been detoxing myself only because the doctors never tell you your body will eventually become immune to them.  I needed surgery, and backed out only because I don't believe any anastesiologist would be able to control my pain without killing me, or giving me a stroke.



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by theryan, Sep 08, 2013
I shot heroin for 2 years. Took suboxone for 4 years. The suboxone program is all about money. Doctor visit 200 a month than the film is 12.00 for one. I was taking 2 a day at first and gradually weened down to 1/4. That's a lot of money that most addicts aren't ever gonna give up for a high that's not the same as a some heroin. If the government really wanted to help people get off the **** theyd make it cheaper. Anyway, I just took my last sub yesterday and the withdrawals are almost unbearable. Especially at night. I ordered that withdrawal ease. I hope it works cause im in for a long haul. But suboxone is a drug and is highly addictive. Im glad I was able to substitute the heroin for suboxone but there still drugs and wont let you live a normal life.

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by Mollgaard1964, Sep 23, 2013
I also did look into the rapid detox. I was taking so many oxys a day that even the people i would buy from sometimes would not help me afraid i was going to die. Anyways rapid detox is for people that have money. We just can't afford it and then fine for those that work to get time off.The lady on here says 8 grand it costs well if i had money like that life would be great and off i would go.I have a hard time with it and how many relapse after nothing said about that. We need rent and food and if lucky cable. I don't know anyone that has a problem and has saved 8 grand while abusing.It sounds nice but reality we just don't have money for this and if it was that great why the high cost. Maybe try and help us and somehow cut that cost by 50 percent and even at that i could not afford.They will also tell you payment plans but honestly who has a credit rating in these hard times. Yes you drive a Kia and must be nice to have a car to drive and probably a home to go home to with your bills paid and food in fridge while all the time using a site like this and giving false hope.How many on here have 8 grand. We have kids and medical bills ect.It does sound nice but in reality most have to do it the old way and suffer it out and not just wake up and hope to god you won't relapse and spend another 8 grand.Sorry for being negative but it is for those that have money and good paying jobs that will let you afford a Kia to drive and they are not cheap.

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by 1952Vicki, Oct 11, 2013
I'm new to this site and am interested in the rapid detox.   I have excellent credit & do have credit cards and that's about it.  I recently moved from California where I gave up my job, my health insurance, my apt. everything to move to Arizona to help out my x-husband.    It was a stupid move because I'm a heroin addict and thought that helping my x-husband would be the Godly thing to do - now I'm stuck in no mans land and unable to even take care of myself.   The closest methadone clinic is 50 miles round trip so I found a heroin connection and have just been going in debt getting money out of my credit cards to buy heroin and now I'm in deep you know what.    I need help so bad - where is this rapid detox located - does any one have the link - I'm so desperate I'll do anything to get clean and off drugs.    

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by wishfulbandit, Oct 17, 2013
I have listened to all the comments and to the person who thinks u can get fancy detox in jail give your head a shake, I was never addicted to anything before I went to jail because I had control of my body and take pain meds when I wanted to when I needed to not at specific times when u had to take them and show your  tongue.  U took the meds cause god knows if u were to be in pain during the night u had no resource to help.   Long story short I've been taking 100mg of Kadian for over 5 yrs now and scared to death to get off it.  I cant afford to go to centers nor with a criminal record am I allowed.  U r all talking about drastic withdrawl why not wean yourself slowly like mg at a time.  Who cares how long it takes u don't become an addict over night and u wont quit over night.  Im going to try and believe my body will adjust if I go slowly

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by hal28, Nov 28, 2013
When I read the posts I see that there is a deep divide between  medical professionals and those who are on the other side.  I have been involved in addiction community for many many years. I know that among the popular approaches they are only helpful marginally-a treatment works for a small portion of the people but most are caught in endless and dangerous cycle. I think the medical community it wrong to suggest medicine to treat most addicts.  Suboxone is wonderful for a small portion of those addicted but the fact that it now is sold illegally everywhere and addicts use it without proper planning is an example.  Thirty five years ago Meg Patterson developed a treatment that helped people with addiction.  She treated Rock Stars and street addicts with this microstimulation device.  The friends of the drug companies, the FDA blocked her from bringing it into the U.S. I became involved in the alternative medicine field  Recently, after years of experience found that I can use a micro-electrostimulationdevice to successfully treat opiate addicts.  It is a device that is available now if you fit the specifications for its use.

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by johnny620859, Dec 09, 2013
I must say that what I see is a real scam to fill the pockets of treatment centers who really are guilty of not treating you to cure the illness of addiction. I also see that there is a catch all bucket label being touted in a veg way, this isn't close to being a fact. Your families want to blame doctors, your street drug supplier, etc. I see it simply as follows:
1. Physically addicted from recovery taking to long, being worse than expected, and not understanding the sickness you will endure from stopping cold turkey. You don't get that part of the recovery, or it would never happen to the people truly addicted from prolong use while in recovery from a major injury.
2. Addiction by choice, is no other way to describe it other you found a high, got addicted and no one knows addiction until they are addicted to something. Then they know, and that's what makes the clear decision of are you looking for the high you will never get again, or mentally I can't stop, or using which reason to use;Nevertheless, it doesn't turn out good it just only gets worse
3. Inherited the illness, go back and look and it is clear that it runs somewhere in the family chain. But it is addiction by choice, and you will only be tired of being sick, another-words I'm sick of being sick.


I never lied, stole, done others wrong to obtain meds.  I was physically addicted to since I learned of really being addicted over 25 years ago, and I'm 51, just had a multiple cervical plate,fusions, and what appears to be support pins between each broken level. I woke up and thought in minutes I was doing great, and within 4 hrs. surgery, I was in pain that all I could do is scream, beg, and worry what I was going to be like from this point on. They was giving me 2mg diludid every hour, 2 10 Perocets every 2 hours, 1 5 mg Valium every 4 hrs, 2 mg zanax every 4 hours, 15 mg zana Flex every 4 hrs. and an additional push of duludid if it just wasn't barriable. Before Surgery I was Taking 2 mg xanax 3 times a day, and Norco 10/325 10 times a day. By the 3rd day I was feeling better, but no where where I felt I should be, request that my pain be managed under control, and an x-ray post op surgery. Because the 2,3 day everything went to 3 times a day, and I felt no relief, and literately was ready to get another doctor or go to another hospital. On day 4 my meds was adjust to where I could see I could make it at home, and my ex ray was amazing to look at, being my second one, I can read whats there. I've been home sense Thursday, had my surgery Monday, and I'm switching meds, and now able to get a 8 hr period between the pain re-occurring. My plan isn't going to listen to what drugs made me do to others, blame others, its simple. Slowly back off until I'm off even if it hurts a little.I'm not trying to get high, I'm hurting when I take these meds and if I wasn't they would make me high or sick. In the 25 years, no one said take the time to heal John, oh, that wasn't anything, see you at work tomorrow in a wheel chair if need be. Family, your a addict like the others, don't call, come by if you took 1 pill, I never took plenty of pills the Dr. wrote, just through them in trash"Mother's" quote. You can just grin and bare it,  "Brother's" quote, treatment, lets up everything you came in for using something we just opened a office for, Now wife is the pain management team, how convenient.

Well I'm not sick for waiting until the next pain to come on, I understand it will take more than 6 days to recover fron a multiple cervical disc,pin,and plate installation. Actually, I'm taking the 1st 10 days to rest, then I will slowly start walking, and as I get over the surgery I am excited about, I will reduce, skip, and be medication free if possible in the next 4 months. I stopped cold turkey 2 times in the 25 years, it was awful, lasted months, and wanted my body clean of it all, but then I broke my back, both legs, and crushed my feet, no insurance, then dumped out of a cab in my front yard in 2 days. Being in another state, I had to call my doc of 15 years, so he could call in my meds, and it was months before I could get in a car, that isd an example eveytime I started back, and it was like the last pill I took, and it never took less, it took more. I've never felt better than clean, and never felt good on drugs, before I took them, or after they wore off. Hope this helps, its not a life, it's a sickness, as well as needed from time to time...Sorry about my spelling...........John

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by jeannetterp, Feb 04, 2014
Here is my question.  I am an alcholic,  to the above person, I did not like candle meetings eith, 14 years of no drinking and not wanting one, IS  AA.  find another meeting.  took me two years to find a sponsor I liked.
so anywho,
after I got sober, life was great, then, one day I woke up and could not walk, 10 years later,Diagnosed with, Migratory Rheaumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, and many other auto immune.  sleeping and my brain wont shut down are my biggest probelms, then numbing in arms and such.

question, If you remove the Klonopin, the requip th epain meds, the sleeping pills, the marijuana, I tried to see if that would help.    do the receptores go back to normal?  and will be able to work again without medicine, and if so why did I need the medicine in the first place.

also I was in tijuana doing ozone therapy in 2004 I think, and they had a drug program there, with bags of iv's now I was on tons of pain meds then,  my treatments of rituxan have eliminated the pain patches, and boy that was three weeks of misery I thought drining hangover was bad, wow.
so those bags of iv's they gave and the treatment you suggest.  do I still need to take my medicine after?
thank you
j

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by steven838383, Feb 06, 2014
Dr. Julia,
I live just north of Boston and I currently attend a methadone clinic which gives me 110 MGs per day.  They refuse to in crease my dose because I have tested positive in the past for pot.  It's the only thing besides Benzes that calm me down enough to get SOME sleep every night.  I have been on this clinic for almost 3 yrs and I still feel horrible at times at night and even late in the day.  I also am STILL vomiting at least 3 to 4 days a week in the A.M. before I get my dose but sometimes I continue to "Dry Heave" even after my dose.  Even if it was possible to increase, at the most it would be 10 MGs. Not enough for someone who was using 4 to 6 gems per day of heroin.  

Can you please give me some ideas on what to do?  Do you have any fellow Dr.'s in my area that could help me?
By the way,  I have to drive 50 miles to the clinic and 50 home EVERYDAY!!!  How's that for gas usage.
Please I would be eternally grateful to you if you can help.  Please, please, please.

Thank you for your time,

Steve
I will provide you a phone # if needed and an email. Thank you again.

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by caliboy57, Mar 01, 2014
I walked off over 300MG of Oxycontin per day and 50 MG of methadone in 2004 and it was HELL! It did not kill me. After a 2008 motorcycle accident, and 3 surgeries and every drug I could get, Norco, Dilaudid, Oxycodone, I quit that through NA. I got a sponsor and worked all 12 steps. I celebrated 4 years clean on 2/22. One time I read on this site that the only way to stop is to stop. You will most likely live through withdrawals. You will survive, but not without support.

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